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Anonymous No.150181202 >>150181694 >>150185575 >>150204938
storytime
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Anonymous No.150181636 >>150182917
Aaaaaand, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST PUT HER AND PRIME TIME AND LET HE FIX HER
AT LEAST CLARK CAN DEAL WITH RETARDED EDITORIALS!

and what anon leaked a while ago turned out to be half true
Anonymous No.150181694 >>150181710
>>150181202 (OP)
whats with this guy
Anonymous No.150181710
>>150181694
You know why with that face
Anonymous No.150181734 >>150195452
>Sir, a sixth Gwen Stacy has been added to Marvel 616
Anonymous No.150181750 >>150181831
>>150181299
Chudjak?
Anonymous No.150181757 >>150235811 >>150235811
>>150181311
>I can't write well and it's your fault
Uh-huh
I know it's probably supposed to be tongue-in-cheek meta heeheehaahaa type stuff, but it just falls flat.
Anonymous No.150181831
>>150181750
Holy shit
Anonymous No.150181843 >>150181873
>>150181299
>>150181304
>>150181311
Cavan... Buddy... This ain't Animal Man and you're no Grant Morrison...

This whole mini has had this vibe of "FUCKING FANGIRLS SHOULD KEEP THEIR COOTIES OUT OF MY SANDBOX" and this just seals it...
Anonymous No.150181873 >>150182022
>>150181843
The only people that like this character are fangirls and braindead gooners so is he really wrong for spelling it out for them?
Anonymous No.150182022
>>150181873
you CANNOT leave out the polish child rapists out of this conversation
Anonymous No.150182093 >>150182195
That's it? Nothing happened. They didn't even give us a reason to care for Gwenpool #2
What a waste of time
Anonymous No.150182195
>>150182093
That you expected more means you really had too much hope in Marvel, anon
Anonymous No.150182300
I was expecting it to be bad and it turned out even worse. What an absolute waste of time.
Anonymous No.150182305
If this doesn't spell out that Marvel Editorial cares more about ragebait than catering to their characters' fanbases, then I don't know what does...
Anonymous No.150182333
>haha you wasted your money and time
Uh...?
Anonymous No.150182477
>>150181311
This doesn't feel like an attempt at tongue in cheek meta commentary on Gwen's place in marvel, this feels like the writer legitimately hates Gwen Poole the fuck? This was allowed?
Anonymous No.150182517
Well that was pointless
Anonymous No.150182575
Gwenpool not written by Chris Hastings was a mistake
Anonymous No.150182588 >>150182677 >>150184850
Why didn't Future Gwen tell her how fucking awful the September 2025 issue was gonna be?
Anonymous No.150182677
>>150182588
There are many different futures.
Anonymous No.150182917 >>150182957
>>150181636
Don't worry anon, when we inevitably get Secret Crisis they'll get a one-shot together and it'll be so godawful that both characters will be retired permanently afterward.
God willing.
Anonymous No.150182957
>>150182917
>shitting on prime time
we found the newfag
Anonymous No.150183512 >>150183784
>>150181304
>>150181311
>>150181327
>>150181322

Fucking yikes. I initially started this series with a no expectations, started to think maybe it wouldn't be too bad, but this, wow. This is a trainwreck caused by unchecked ego.
Anonymous No.150183558 >>150189507 >>150190903 >>150191613 >>150208992
Another mini that won't be added to the recommended reading list. It's impressive how Marvel continues to release nothing but dogshit.
Anonymous No.150183784
>>150183512
Is the joke supposed to be that this guy is a fucking hack and all of his so called 'brilliant ideas' are fucking garbage rehashes of someone else's better work? Because it seems obvious, and yet Gwen doesn't call him on it.
Anonymous No.150184250 >>150184714 >>150205142
Marvel really celebrated Gwen's 10th anniversary by releasing a comic shitting on her as a character?
Anonymous No.150184714
>>150184250
Would you expect anything less from modern Marvel?
Seriously, what was the last marvel run you can remember that wasn't just a cynical exercise in brand management?
Anonymous No.150184746 >>150184804
Thanks for the storytime OP
I didn't expect the Architect of being the writer himself, but that's because I was expecting something more clever. The writer making himself the final boss reeks of Morrison envy and while the concept can be done with Gwen it's hacky in execution here. I dare to offer Scott the benefit of the doubt and assume he does not actually hate Gwenpool IRL and is playing up the vitriol here for drama, and I appreciate the self-awareness in having Gwen point out all his questionable, dumb decisions. But like Gwenpool Strikes Back: being aware you are writing a bad story does not EXCUSE you from writing a bad story. There are moments his calling out Gwen have some emotional weight - when he calls Gwen a joke and she cries because she actually does care about being seen that way, those panels I actually like for her character - but it's undercut by her only acting this way because he chose to write her that way, he's calling her out for problems he himself is responsible for.

Everything remotely interesting Gwen's called out for has already been done in Unbelievable, when it made more sense in the earlier stages of her arc, and were done better in general. Again, I believe the writer doesn't actually hate Gwen as much as his avatar, but the criticisms are weak when Gwen's OP powers have been shown to have plenty of limits (and if they didn't a clever writer could still make use of OP powers) and Gwen herself has absolutely taken things seriously and cared about others before, that was the crux of her original arc. Even LU, as awful as it was, had moments where Gwen realized she was using people and that was wrong despite their being comic book characters. The problems Scott brings up aren't inaccurate to Gwen but they're problems already explored in earlier, better books and everything Gwen does wrong that he calls her out for in this are only problems because he turns her tard-memey humor up to 11 just like every other writer since Hastings does.
Anonymous No.150184804 >>150184901 >>150189131
>>150184746
Also a pleasant surprise Stacypool is sticking around. It would have been easy to just kill her off since any significance she had died with her turning out not to be the real Gwen Stacy but it would undercut the theme of not taking anything seriously even more if they were to dump her. I like Gwen giving her that speech at the end about being a blank slate means she has potential and how people love a story, it's really spot-on for Gwen's character is helping someone who feels like nobody feel like somebody, and I'm interested in seeing what Stacypool might do in the future with Gwen now. It's just sadly undercut by Gwen's insistence she take things more seriously too when, again, the only reason she wasn't is because she was literally forced not to by someone who didn't want to write her that way when she's taken things plenty serious before

Overall I think Gwenpool 2025 is still a slight step up for Gwen. Cavan Scott writing himself in and shitting on her is a stupid note to end on but being aware of his poor writing, letting Gwen call himself out on it and giving her a cool moment in helping Clone Stacy softens the blow, and though poorly done I like the emotion of Gwen not wanting to be just a joke. The way Scott accuses her feels like what most people think of Gwen at first without realizing how much more there is. But promising to take things seriously feels disingenuous when it's not her fault that she isn't already in this. Whereas GSB starts poorly and ends on a high note, and LU started fairly good and got worse and worse until a disastrous ending, 2025 feels like it was just 'decent' throughout, ending better than LU but not as good as GSB. Which in my opinion does make it one notch over her last run at least, specially since this doesn't end with anything as drastic as the mutant retcon or the asexual thing. It ends with giving Gwen something kinda neat in another Gwen to hang out with and nothing worse than a mid comic to just move on from
Anonymous No.150184850
>>150182588
She wanted to spare her the heartache, better to just let her find out on her own
Anonymous No.150184901
>>150184804
X-31 is going to go the way of the Metahumes.
Anonymous No.150184922 >>150184961
This honestly wasn't as bad as expected. Still pretty bad, but I expected worse.
Anonymous No.150184961
>>150184922
This for me. I was fearful of the leaks that Gwen was going to possess Gwen Stacy's body and get regen, making her both closer to Gwen Stacy and Deadpool in some bizarre attempt to appease people confused that she isn't closely related to either.
The writer was bad, the ending was bad, but it has a few nice notes throughout and it doesn't fundamentally alter her character like her other minis have.
Anonymous No.150185323
>>150181327
>Must be hard for you, Scott.
>At least people LIKE jokes!
Anonymous No.150185518
>>150181368
>Gwen actually takes this loser's criticism seriously
I can't tell how many layers of irony this dude is on, but not having Gwen dropkick this asshole into the gutterspace tells me the writer might actually mean all that shit. Can we not get a writer who actually likes Gwenpool? I'LL fucking do it.
Anonymous No.150185575
>>150181202 (OP)
See you all in 3 years when The House of Ideas shits out another mediocre Gwenpoo story that is not THAT bad but still sucks in comparison to her OG run. Christ, she and Kamala should hang around since none of them have been able to get a run thats better than their respective debuts
Anonymous No.150185712 >>150185762 >>150186079 >>150186118
Gwenpool vs The Writer was always a pretty obvious direction to take the character and could definitely have worked if the writer was actually good. This seems to be a case of the writer writing something bad on purpose, which is a difficult thing to pull off and most writers who attempt it greatly overestimate their ability to do it. This writer has his self-insert philosophize upon stakes but there would have been genuinely greater stakes in a straightforward story about Gwen trying to sequence break out of a hostile writer's story.
Anonymous No.150185762 >>150191431 >>150196933
>>150185712
I want a story where Gwenpoole is working WITH her writer, but AGAINST editorial, because the writer is being forced to include a bunch of stuff he knows is bad and against the character but if he doesn't he will lose his job. So he and Gwenpoole are at odds, but trying to find a way out of this mess together.
Anonymous No.150185826
>>150181396
This book ends with 2 Gwens and no good development for the character.
Anonymous No.150185909
the fuck was the point of all that? that was nothing.
this whole comic was a waste of time
Anonymous No.150186079
>>150185712
I agree with the idea that Gwen having to fight her own writer is a concept that could work in general for her stories, I've seen some suggestions of anons in previous threads that had some good ideas for it.
This sadly isn't one of them, like you said it's the writer only being a problem because he's making something bad on purpose and then trying to 'develop' Gwen by making her OOC to begin with
>Gwen trying to sequence break out of a hostile writer's story.
This is one thing I was thinking was the idea might work better if the guy had just leaned fully into the 'hatred' for Gwen, like the story going out of its way to hurt her and her friends to the point where the only way Gwen can save them is by fighting her own spite-filled writer
Anonymous No.150186118 >>150186231 >>150186806 >>150188418
>>150185712
I think I have the opposite opinion. Unbelievable Gwenpool, IIRC, never* talked to directly to the author or the audience. I think that's a very deliberate writing restraint that gave the fourth wall breaking important flavor. It cut out many token 4th wall breaker moments like "xD now draw me fighting an epic dinosaur, rawr!!" and "xD Chat ur so cringe don't watch me change, pervs~", which later versions of her would pull off to the character's detriment. By never *directly* acknowledging the presence of author and audience, I think we got a flavor of 4th wall breaker that still feels very "contained in-universe", which I think made Gwen feel more genuine and less... post-modern? Post-ironic? "Everything's one big joke and nothing matters because writers can do whatever"?
Maybe I'm wrong. But I feel like Unbelievable deliberately showed restraint there. I'd be very cautious of any writer attempting to pull those things off.

*except for catchup pages
Anonymous No.150186231
>>150186118
No you're completely right on the money. One of the thing that irks me to no fucking end in modern Gwen stories is the writer has her talk directly to the audience non-fucking-stop when she never did that at all in Unbelievable (again, with the exception of catch-up pages). You hit the nail on the head in that it made Gwen feel more like an actual character, like she really was a 'real' girl interacting with 616 and while she eventually learned to see the panels she never saw the audience. Having Gwen speak directly to the reader makes her feel like she's on a perpetual reality show or something, it encourages her being a try-hard memer that's never worked for her and just makes her closer to other 4th wall breakers like Wade or She-Hulk rather than keeping her feeling unique.

That was actually one thing I appreciated throughout this run was it finally pumped the breaks on Gwen speaking to her audience directly so much, IIRC Gwen doesn't do it even once in this mini.
Anonymous No.150186330 >>150186639 >>150208163 >>150208254
>>150181384
Honestly? If they got this Gwen back with Peter I'd take it. Would still like him with MJ, but I'd take it.
Anonymous No.150186355
>Gwen Stacy (Spider-Gwen)
>Gwen Poole (Gwenpool)
>Gwen Stacy (Gwenpool)
Now we just need Gwen Poole (Spider-Gwen)
Anonymous No.150186424 >>150186464
what kind of stupid fucking last name is 'poole' anyways
Anonymous No.150186464
>>150186424
Apparently exactly what it sounds like: English, references a body of water. As an aside, Mortimer basically means "Deadpool".
Anonymous No.150186639 >>150186754
>>150186330
It's weird to be kind of excited at the prospect of her appearing again, I was prepared for her to disappear by the end of this run. Curious what they could do to make her stand out from the original Stacy going forward
Anonymous No.150186754
>>150186639
She'll be as relevant as Gwen Warren.
Anonymous No.150186806 >>150186903
>>150186118
Is that Gwen with 2003 movie Bullseye? Wut?
Anonymous No.150186903
>>150186806
AU idea where instead of being trained by Batroc she gets picked up by Bullseye
Anonymous No.150187381 >>150187497 >>150210967
>gwenpool meets her writer
Tracy Scops did it better.
Anonymous No.150187481
>>150181396
Christ this might actually be the worst comic Marvel has published since Mutant First Strike
Anonymous No.150187497
>>150187381
>a porn artist did a better job at writing gwenpool then an actual writer from marvel
just give the writing job for gwenpool to her marvel, clearly you don't know what your doing.
Anonymous No.150187536
>>150181396
i hope this writer dies in a house fire. fucking hack piece of shit. this is the reason why people shit on comics so much, cause of these dickweeds.
Anonymous No.150188246
>>150181210
Bump
Anonymous No.150188418 >>150189124
>>150186118
I also think that Gwen not talking to her audience fits in directly with her characterization as a shut-in NEET failure. She escaped to the marvel universe BECAUSE she didn't want anything to do with the real world. She'll only speak to us directly if she absolutely has to.
Anonymous No.150188611
>>150181396
>For now
Anonymous No.150189124
>>150188418
kek, that's actually a fitting angle I hadn't considered that before. Gwen despises boring IRL so her being adverse to addressing it on principle is funny
Anonymous No.150189131 >>150189243
>>150184804
Let’s be real, we’re never gonna see this Gwen Stacy again and if we do, it’s just gonna be for Marvel to kill her off like all the others
Anonymous No.150189243
>>150189131
Background gag 10 years from now with another two Gwen clones.
Anonymous No.150189366 >>150189647
Gwen should have been forced back into her original world at the end of Unbelievable.
Anonymous No.150189507 >>150190758 >>150192035
>>150183558
>there's actual Gwenpool material worth reading past Unbelievable
I had no idea, is there really? I miss her.
Anonymous No.150189647
>>150189366
she should have just been cameos at best. her comic's been cancelled, but every once in awhile an artist could be allowed to include her in the background or something and she'd be happy to live for another page. she'd accepted her end in Unbelievable and that'd live on for as long as people read her original run, so just roll with that.
finality is not a very Marvel trait, though, I get it.
Anonymous No.150190758 >>150191804
>>150189507
Don't get too excited, the second two in that list are doujinshis and the other items are just short spin-offs written by Hastings (but yes I would say they're worth reading, just warning they're short)
Anonymous No.150190846
I want to think whatever the fuck the writer was going for got thrown out the window when Spider-Gwen wroter herself into 616 and this is just a crash out.
Anonymous No.150190903
>>150183558
I thought the last 2 were the dogshit stories where she comes out as aromantic asexual.
Thank you Anon
Anonymous No.150191367 >>150192084
Should've had the main in the mask be a puppet of MODOK and end with Gwen wearing Clone-Gwen like a skinsuit.
Anonymous No.150191431
>>150185762
That could be pretty cool. Don't have the writer appear in the story, but he could write notes to Gwen in the gutter space.
Anonymous No.150191613
>>150183558
third doujin never ever
Anonymous No.150191804
>>150190758
that's all good, Unbelievable's end was perfect so I don't want a continuation. just little things will suffice.
Anonymous No.150192035 >>150192985 >>150194342 >>150196811
>>150189507
West Coast Avengers was aight enough. Ironically, it ends on a meta joke and she's *not* the one to deliver it.
Anonymous No.150192084
>>150191367
>Literally turning Gwenpool into Gwen stacy
Dogshit, you're hired, Anon!
Anonymous No.150192985
>>150192035
WCA was definitely the most decent, it was mostly inoffensive to Gwen outside of a forced romance with Quintin. But it also gave her Jeff so it evens out.
For all the faults of this run i would at least say it broke the trend of every Gwen run being worse than the last, it at least passes the low bar that is LU and gives me hope the momentum is swingng upwards again
Anonymous No.150194342 >>150194703
>>150192035
>Ironically, it ends on a meta joke and she's *not* the one to deliver it.
what was it?
Anonymous No.150194703
>>150194342
the comic was cancelled despite the writer wanting to continue it. the first issue has Kate interview a bunch of shitty wannabe superheroes (each one just being a walking punchline) to find more people for the team. the comic ends with one of the people she rejected getting the comic cancelled
Anonymous No.150195452 >>150210460
>>150181734
>dead OG gwen
>spider-gwen
>the better spider-gwen(the literal spider woman)
>new clone gwen
who are the other 2?? are you counting gwenpool as one??
Anonymous No.150196273
>>150181377
What I wouldn't give to see Gwen punching out her last few writers too
Anonymous No.150196811
>>150192035
>West Coast Avengers was aight enough
wrong, it was awful
Anonymous No.150196882 >>150198813 >>150199685 >>150200916
>>150181304
>>150181311
>>150181322
>>150181327
>>150181377
I think he meant for this to be extremely tongue in cheek because the writer has talked at length online about why he likes Hastings' Gwenpool, and he's already done a bunch of Star Wars shit and the editor was the one who pushed for Peter to be involved, but he just REALLY sucks at conveying that he's trying to goof on stuff and the joke isn't funny.

Not defending. Just saying.
Anonymous No.150196933
>>150185762
I think that's what he was trying to do, but while not shitting on his editor and including and justifying and trying to "make work" all the bullshit his editor asked for. Which is stupid and doesn't work.
Anonymous No.150196943 >>150196955
>THEY LITERALLY JUST KILLED GWENPOOL OFF, THEN BROUGHT HER BACK AS A GHOST, A SHADE OF HER FORMER SELF, AND MADE HER POSESS HER OWN TWISTED AND BUTCHERED DECAYING CORPSE

Huh... I am sure there is a symbolism a metaphor or a commentary in there somewhere, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.
Anonymous No.150196955 >>150197245 >>150198857
>>150196943
The core of the story is fine. It's the execution that's the problem.
Anonymous No.150197245 >>150197832
>>150196955
The core of the story was stupid. "I hate Gwenpool so I'll insert myself as the villain and write a stupid and obnoxious story on purpose, see you can't criticize me because it's supposed to be bad."
Anonymous No.150197832 >>150198029
>>150197245
That's very clearly not what the book is about.
Anonymous No.150198029 >>150207454
>>150197832
Explain in your words what it's about then.
Anonymous No.150198813 >>150207454
>>150196882
>the writer has talked at length online about why he likes Hastings' Gwenpool
It's frustrating because there are times I would readily believe it. He makes references to it, bringing up her old crew, and there are moments I think he captures Gwen's outlook like how she actually thinks things like 'continuity' shouldn't get in the way of telling a good story. He refrains from having her talk directly to the reader and I also think the flaws he highlights are fair things to attribute to Gwen.

The problem is that I think he's clearly copying Hasting's homework. The things he brings up with Gwen in this issue are all things she's had thrown at her in her introduction arc (Scott calling her a joke feels very reminiscent of Deadpool's 'why you suck' speech) and the idea she doesn't take things seriously enough is silly knowing what she's shown to be capable of. It's also weird to have him comment on her powers being 'too strong' when Hastings made a point of showing while Gwen's panel-hopping powers are versatile they clearly have limits too, and it's a shame because I thought the writer made a very clever use of them in the Fin Fang Foom fight and then pretty much never again for the rest of the run.

There's also the dialogue, I don't know how a guy who claims to love the original run could think Gwen (or any actual person) would talk like this. To be fair that's not JUST Gwen in this, I think everyone has sounded off, Kate and Peter as well. So I get the sense maybe he doesn't do dialogue all that well save for rare moments where he dials back the quips and just have people sound like regular fucking people.
Anonymous No.150198857 >>150207454
>>150196955
The interesting parts of it are entirely things the writer accidentally stumbled into and doesn't even recognize.
Anonymous No.150199685 >>150200006
>>150196882
>the editor was the one who pushed for Peter to be involved
Editorial interference strikes again. On one hand I get why you'd want Peter in a story featuring the ''''original'''' Gwen Stacy but then that turned out to be a pointless set-up anyhow.
Still weird how despite knowing of Gwen's original friend group he did not have a single one of them show up to her funeral, JUST Kate and Jeff it's insane. I am half convinced there is some mandate issues in using Cecil/Sarah/Tony at this point for some reason
Anonymous No.150200006
>>150199685
It's a hack writer making excuses. Jordan White isn't even a Spider-Man editor, they can't even do anything that affects the spider-titles.
Anonymous No.150200214
Thank you for the storytime, op. I missed the other four issues, but I don't feel I'll go back to read them. I appreciate your service
Anonymous No.150200916 >>150201882
>>150196882
>the editor was the one who pushed for Peter to be involved
That's probably the only good decision for this mini. There should be more stories with Gwenpool and Spider-Man since she's apparently the only Marvel "character" that still respects him.
Anonymous No.150201882 >>150202212
>>150200916
One of my favorite ideas for a 'Gwen vs Editorial' idea is her crusading against the One More Day mandate and trying to overturn it so Peter and MJ can finally just living happily fucking ever after in the main universe
Anonymous No.150202212 >>150203204
>>150201882
That sounds like flying too close to the sun.
Anonymous No.150203204
>>150202212
If she's going to be cancelled or mismanaged, might as well be because she tried to do what any fan with "power" would do.
Anonymous No.150204277
A smart gwen would write herself into a corner.
Anonymous No.150204758 >>150206165 >>150206219
One thing I feel most disappointed in with this run is just how underutilized the original idea was.
Gwenpool vs Gwenpool : the original concept that stood apart from either Deadpool or Gwen Stacy, vs the possibility of what if the idea was played violently straight. You get some jabs between them but in terms of the meta commentary on what Gwen could have easily have turned out to be had they really just mashed Gwen Stacy into a Deadpool shaped hole seems like a huge missed opportunity
Anonymous No.150204938
>>150181202 (OP)
What are these legs
Anonymous No.150205142
>>150184250
At this point they should have Hastings come back so he can write a conclusive send-off and retire her forever.
Anonymous No.150206165
>>150204758
I knew they would never have the balls to actually resurrect Gwen frfr
Don't know why they bothered hyping that up at all
Anonymous No.150206219
>>150204758
I mean, they kinda did
>Gwen is cloned again and turned into Deadpool*
>Goes to talk to Spider-Man
>Uhhhhhhh
And then you run out of shit to write about because the idea is retarded. We got the jackal mentioned, she almost dissolves away like the last gwenzillion clones.
Anonymous No.150207112
How would Spider-Gwen have reacted to all this?
Anonymous No.150207408
>>150181299
>>150181304
>>150181311
>>150181322
>>150181327
>check the writer to see what he's done
>Cavan Scott (born 18 April 1973)
>(age 52)
>he's 50+ and he wrote this
Anonymous No.150207454 >>150207584 >>150213561 >>150232787
>>150198857
Its all too methodical and precise to be accidental. He overcooked it. Tried to hard. Wanted to say too many things instead of exploring a few strong ideas naturally. And he's also just really bad at signposting.

>>150198813
I agree with that. He gets the source material but stumbled in making his own story. And yeah, the voices are awful here. I dunno what's up with that. He isn't this bad in other comics so idk.

>>150198029
It's about reconciling what we want vs respect for the material. It's shown in the core ideas through the entire arc. Every act that's chastised, whether it's Gwen or Fake Stacey or even the author stand in, is because it isn't showing respect for what something is. Gwen didn't respect Fake Stacey's drama and got fucked for it. Author rants about what Gwen "should" be for his goals but gets dunked on for it.

Problem is the execution is really not good at all.
Anonymous No.150207584 >>150210081
>>150207454
honestly a pretty good interpretation that makes this seem a bit better in retrospect. even the dude's big gripe with gwen was about how she didn't seem to "respect" or take anything seriously, and how he wanted to be respected as well with this story (which he felt people would since it had spider-man), but was annoyed he had to write about gwen because he didn't respect her or acknowledge what she actually represented (only chastising her for being a joke)
Anonymous No.150208163
>>150186330
>marywhorefag
epic fail
Anonymous No.150208254
>>150186330
Would be kind of awkward wouldn't it, with this Gwen clone basically being Gwen right after she died and this Peter being like, at least 10 years older since then?
Anonymous No.150208992
>>150183558
it's light on plot and she's not in every issue but 'It's Jeff' provides fun Gwens even in the current year
Anonymous No.150210081
>>150207584
At which point he gets fucking blasted and cast aside, and Pool and Ftacey basically state the book theme.

The bones are solid, he put in the work, but it's fucking burned, overcooked -- reading it isn't fun and the point isn't immediately clear to the reader.
Anonymous No.150210358 >>150211735 >>150219199
>>150181396
So is Gwenpool just a 7 foot tall cyborg now?
Anonymous No.150210460 >>150210463
>>150195452
>>the better spider-gwen(the literal spider woman
qrd?
Anonymous No.150210463
>>150210460
(cont.)
If you're Bendis don't reply, thanks.
Anonymous No.150210967 >>150216101
>>150187381
Where can I read this?
Anonymous No.150211735 >>150212567
>>150210358
She'll get better
Anonymous No.150212567 >>150213552
>>150211735
I'd rather she stay broken, personally.
Anonymous No.150213552
>>150212567
>She-Hulk'd Gwen (and not the good She-Hulk either)
nah I'm good
Anonymous No.150213561 >>150214887 >>150218256
>>150207454
A subliterate Grant Morrison, a cautionary tale against doing a "comic about comics" meta-analysis when you're too stupid to offer anything insightful.
Anonymous No.150213581 >>150213688 >>150213815 >>150213837 >>150214881 >>150217397
What name should X-31 Gwen give herself?
Anonymous No.150213688
>>150213581
Gwen Howitzer
Anonymous No.150213815
>>150213581
Armagwendom
Anonymous No.150213837
>>150213581
Gwen Stacey: Gwenpool
and then
Gwenpool: Gwen Stacey
Anonymous No.150214881
>>150213581
I still like Stacypool
Anonymous No.150214887 >>150215874
>>150213561
What’s this from?
Anonymous No.150215874
>>150214887
The Mulltiversity - Ultra Comics.
Anonymous No.150216101 >>150217498
>>150210967
it's on sadpanda.
Anonymous No.150217397 >>150218162
>>150213581
>X-31
What happened to X-24 to X-30
Anonymous No.150217498 >>150221058
>>150216101
I have been given a mission.
Anonymous No.150218162
>>150217397
Different program.
Anonymous No.150218256
>>150213561
Wouldn't say subliterate so much as incompetent. Ultra Comics is a really high bar.
Anonymous No.150219199
>>150210358
If her powers stay consistent maybe she can summon Gwenlok like she can all the other iterations of Gwenpool from other writers
Anonymous No.150221058
>>150217498
gotta keep it alive for her
Anonymous No.150221062 >>150221085 >>150224921
X-31
Anonymous No.150221085 >>150222473
>>150221062
Honestly, I don't hate the design.
Anonymous No.150222473
>>150221085
I originally hated it as a replacement for OG Gwen whose outfit is perfection
As just an additional character it's alright
Anonymous No.150223662 >>150223811 >>150226702 >>150229372
>yet another Gwen
>this time with powers and the memories of the original
>She won't be appearing in ASM
Why do they keep taking characters from Spider-Man and giving nothing in return? What happened to Gwen's "daughter" anyway?
Anonymous No.150223811 >>150225021
>>150223662
Spider-Man already went shit's fake, so it doesn't matter if she shows up in Joe Kelly's Spider-Man or not.
Anonymous No.150224921
>>150221062
w2c? wouldn't mind some hot glue anti polak warding
Anonymous No.150225021 >>150225040 >>150225102 >>150228171
>>150223811
I'm not asking for Peter's reaction. Just that it would be interesting to see him actually help her to adjust to her new life.
Anonymous No.150225040
>>150225021
>peter helping people
>in 2025
lol lmao
Anonymous No.150225102 >>150225506
>>150225021
>Well you should move to a different Burrough so you don't overlap with the original Gwen Stacy. Or Gwen Stacy. Alternatively you can come up with a new name out of your relatives' names or dye your hair blonde. Unblonde?
Anonymous No.150225506
>>150225102
Is Ganke still around, UltiGwen made out with him.
Anonymous No.150226702 >>150227233
>>150223662
>What happened to Gwen's "daughter" anyway?
context?
Anonymous No.150227233 >>150228951
>>150226702
Sins Past.
Anonymous No.150228171
>>150225021
Gwen Clone will honestly be a little odd to keep going forward
Are they just going to casually overlook she was created by some writer from the real-world in any interactions with Peter
Anonymous No.150228951
>>150227233
Oh, yeah, ain’t they clones now??
Anonymous No.150229372 >>150230570 >>150230781
>>150223662
>What happened to Gwen's "daughter" anyway?
Anonymous No.150230570
>>150229372
Shame. I think that's the only "Gwen" besides Gwenpool that I'd accept in 616 specially after being retconned into not her real daughter.
Anonymous No.150230781 >>150230847
>>150229372
This is really petty.
Anonymous No.150230847 >>150231584
>>150230781
The Paul "kids" totally deserved it. Speaking of kids, when is Jeff going to bring Gwenpool to Rivals?
Anonymous No.150231584 >>150237342
>>150230847
Never ever.
Anonymous No.150232787 >>150233075 >>150233242
>Writer's on social media basically confirming this read
>>150207454
>between saying he probably should have made the author insert more clearly an "Evil" version of him rather than actually him, and saying on his blog that part of the intention was for Gwen to come off as "out of character" until about this point here.
>>150181335

Well. Nice to be proven right, I guess. Shame the book doesn't do a great job conveying it.
Anonymous No.150233075 >>150233242 >>150233259
>>150232787
>Write Gwen as being OOC *on purpose* for four out of five issues
>Tries to pass it off as okay because it was intentional
This is the same reason I didn't care for Gwenpool Strikes Back: regardless of if you have a 'reason' for it, you're still writing a character bad for multiple issues of a run. No twist reveal makes up for having to sit through four months of reading Gwen act retarded beforehand
Anonymous No.150233242 >>150233289 >>150233331
>>150232787
"The villain is literally me" is just a terrible idea to begin with. It hurts the setting by drawing attention to how it's all made up. "He does all this because I say he can" - 10 year old boy-quality writing.
>>150233075
Leah made a strong argument with examples for how every writer has a slightly different take, just like with any other character.
Anonymous No.150233259
>>150233075
I think you can make it work, but it has to still be fun to read and the altered state of mind has to be clear and interesting in itself. But generally yeah, don't do this, and especially not as your first story with a character.
Anonymous No.150233289 >>150233328
>>150233242
Is Champions Gwen the one that wants Miles cock?
Anonymous No.150233328
>>150233289
That was Unbelievable. Champions Gwen just wanted to have a good time in contrast to the hyper-political main group.
Anonymous No.150233331 >>150233478
>>150233242
I really don't agree with that for characters that were meta textual from the start. If anything "the villain is how certain creators feel" should have been introduced MUCH earlier, issue 2 at the very latest. That gives the story time to actually explore the idea a bit and contextualize its themes better. It gives more wiggle room to define the in-universe manifestation, what it's more specifically trying to evoke, if it's more avatar, more a notion, or more a non-anthropomorphic entity to symbolize our tendencies. Again, Ultra Comics was brought up in the thread and it's a fantastic example of contextualizing a broad tendencies of creative as an in-narrative force and using that to communicate feelings on how we treat stories to the reader.
Anonymous No.150233478 >>150234627
>>150233331
The villain in Multiversity is the personification of apathy and cancellation, forces the heroes can't actually punch out, not literally Grant Morrison having a writer tantrum. He put himself in Animal Man, but not as a villain to fight, just someone explaining his perspective. Of course the dumb writers who followed up on The Empty Hand didn't get that and neither does Cavan. Most of these guys are just meatheads. A 52 year old man writing at the same level as a 10 year old.
Anonymous No.150234627 >>150235005
>>150233478
You're being a bit hysterical instead of just talking about what it is. Scott basically said he chose to make it himself to avoid people thinking he meant to throw other writers or editors under the bus, but hadn't considered people taking this as him feeling this way 100% with no level of abstraction. Yeah, dumb that he wouldn't consider that, but he's not a meathead. Shit, UC is one of the only good issues in all of Multiversity. This stuff is extremely difficult to pull off. I think he deserves criticism for how this floundered, but you're acting like a retard.
Anonymous No.150235005 >>150235107
>>150234627
>Scott basically said he chose to make it himself to avoid people thinking he meant to throw other writers or editors under the bus, but hadn't considered people taking this as him feeling this way 100% with no level of abstraction.
Even if it wasn't literally him, it's stupid. This is something you pull off in a gag book like Ambush Bug, not a story that's otherwise played straight and serious.
>Yeah, dumb that he wouldn't consider that, but he's not a meathead.
If a 10 year old was given this concept to write, how would it be any different? Looking at his body of work, it's all franchise slop. Smart people don't write comics and he's not even of average intelligence like the better writers, he's dumb.
Anonymous No.150235107 >>150239869
>>150235005
>How would a 10 year old write this differently?
Well, they'd make everything really obvious instead of trying to be subtle, for better or for worse. And they'd probably play up the wacky random parts. And they definitely wouldn't be able to get their heads around the whole "not placing your own wants above respecting others" thing unless this kid was weirdly mature.
>Smart people don't write comics
Oh God, no wonder you're being such an annoying cunt. Go be a pseud somewhere else.
Anonymous No.150235811
>>150181757
>>150181757
Because you're a bitter loser who can't find fun in anything. God I hate you faggots.
Anonymous No.150237342
>>150231584
Ungrateful shark.
Anonymous No.150239650
>>150181396
That shark is too cute!!
Anonymous No.150239869 >>150241526 >>150242167
>>150235107
Good god if you think this is what counts for subtle.
>And they definitely wouldn't be able to get their heads around the whole "not placing your own wants above respecting others" thing unless this kid was weirdly mature.
Kids ape the lessons they see on their television shows. This is a basic small children's show lesson. Giving high praise to Barney and Bluey.
>Oh God, no wonder you're being such an annoying cunt. Go be a pseud somewhere else.
You're the one trying to elevate dimwitted slop.
Anonymous No.150241526
>>150239869
Ladies, please, you’re both retarded.
Anonymous No.150241711 >>150241916
Alright how would (you) write the next mini or run?
Anonymous No.150241916
>>150241711
Just give her a regular villain and stop trying to do "clever" meta stories. Let her powers be the only thing that breaks the 4th wall and she just does superhero shit for 5 issues. I don't need a meta villain. I don't need a meta narrative. I just want a good old fashioned "superhero stops a supervillain" plot, but Gwen defeats them with bullshit like grabbing a word balloon and using it as a lasso to snag the villain as he tries to flee.

Every writer tries way too fucking hard with Gwen when all she needs is classic superhero storytelling. Bad guy shows up, bad guy tries to rob a bank or something, Gwen tries to stop them, Gwen comes out victorious. That's all I fucking want.
Anonymous No.150242167 >>150242364
>>150239869
Nobody said it was subtle, you autist.
Anonymous No.150242364 >>150242446
>>150242167
>Well, they'd make everything really obvious instead of trying to be subtle
Anonymous No.150242446
>>150242364
>Trying
Does that look like "being" to you?