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Anonymous No.150197924 >>150198306 >>150198646 >>150198822 >>150198850 >>150198877 >>150199407 >>150200376 >>150201036 >>150202759 >>150203269 >>150203554
The actual show doesn't match the intro's atmosphere. :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS1s3T-rnFU&ab_channel=NightowlStudio
Anonymous No.150198306
>>150197924 (OP)
It did though
Anonymous No.150198646
>>150197924 (OP)
Taste issue
Anonymous No.150198822
>>150197924 (OP)
Probably because the network execs at the time wanted the show to be lighter and dumber.
Anonymous No.150198850
>>150197924 (OP)
Not sure what you were expecting. The Maxx for kids?
Anonymous No.150198862 >>150198920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIkapTMxf_0

Okay but why does the ending theme go so hard?
Anonymous No.150198877
>>150197924 (OP)
It does tho
Anonymous No.150198920
>>150198862
Apparently this was the original intro theme the guitar on this is fucking nasty
Anonymous No.150198955 >>150199003
why are batman beyond comics never successful?
Anonymous No.150199003 >>150199823 >>150200072 >>150200119 >>150200568 >>150200867 >>150203295
>>150198955
Comic Writers are spiteful that a cartoon only character was able to successfully become Batman after many failed attempts at pushing for legacy characters of their own. The spite was so much that did you know the Batman Beyond Arkham game wouldnt even feature Terry yet take on the same ideas of Beyond but with Damien
Anonymous No.150199407 >>150200000
>>150197924 (OP)
It can, but it's definitely lighter on the cyberpunk dystopia stuff than you might expect
At the end of the day it's still a kids show
It's a shame that Spellbinder, despite being one of the first things you see in that sequence, is really underutilised in the actual show, and Dana, despite her prominence and cuteness, is just kinda meh as a character
Would be nice if the comics/continuations were written by people who care, but alas
Anonymous No.150199823
>>150199003
These people are spawn of Damn Dildo
Anonymous No.150200000 >>150200292 >>150200547
>>150199407
I mean, it's actually pretty dark, including the cyberpunk dystopian stuff. It doesn't go hard into the body horror/AI doom stuff of Cyberpunk, the Sprawl trilogy, and Shadowrun, sure, but those elements have always been more fantasy than sci-fi. The human body just can't take that kind of heavy chopping and grafting; the most realistic I've seen is Minority Report, where dude gets just an eye transplant and is on bed rest for days, even with future pain/recovery meds, and ends up fucking himself up permanently by breaking protocol. And the most realistic AI thing is probably Person of Interest, where the super intelligent AI escapes but is, you know, smart enough to understand human dynamics as well as its limitations in the physical world.
So much cyberpunk was conceived by the same group of dudes who thought Doom was sick and it shows.
Anonymous No.150200072
>>150199003
>Harley is allowed to get anything and everything
>Terry doesn't get anything
this shit is ass
Anonymous No.150200119
>>150199003
I am so GLAD that game was canceled it legit was just batman beyond but with no Terry
Anonymous No.150200292
>>150200000
horey shit, I got quints!
Anonymous No.150200376
>>150197924 (OP)
yeah
nah
ur a cunt
Anonymous No.150200547 >>150200845 >>150200940
>>150200000
Not that I want to argue against digits like that but
>It doesn't go hard into the body horror/AI doom stuff
I feel like Beyond does a pretty good job with this, at least half of the villains have some level of body horror going on, but AI stuff is pretty limited (really only Vance, though Spellbinder has hints of it)
The trouble is it's not that dissimilar to how the world was in BTAS and STAS, people aren't really being crushed under the suffocating weight of megacorps or the government because Wayne-Powers isn't much worse than LexCorp, and a lot of the terrible things that can happen to people in cyberpunkland could just as easily happen during the height of Bruce's career
I understand that we've got the benefit of experiencing an endless stream of cyberpunk and dystopia since Beyond (fictional and otherwise) but really, Neo Gotham's living standards are pretty good and the 'evils' of technology don't really survive past the episode a problem gets introduced in
If Beyond were more serialised or they just fleshed out the setting more I think it'd get real dark real easily, but as it stands, it's definitely on the cheerier side of the genre's spectrum (still not very cheery, but a lot less grim than others)
At the very least my rule of thumb is that if the setting has a functioning, natural ecosystem, it can't be that grim
Anonymous No.150200568 >>150200972
>>150199003
Batman in Bethlehem>Batman Beyond. Only secondaries think otherwise.
Anonymous No.150200845 >>150200861 >>150200896 >>150200940
>>150200547
Eh, good points, but I feel like I have an answer as to why the megacorps stuff doesn't seem so oppressive. It's all to do with our perspective: 90% of our time in the show is spent with middle class teenagers, people whose (corpo) parents can afford to put them in decent schools, and the various tech and social maladies that manage to reach them. For us, that would be stuff like drunk driving, cyberbullying, and school shootings. Obviously, what adults and poor people have to deal with gets way worse, and we do see some of that with many of Batman's corpo villains. But I think the implication is that living standards are worse than we're lead to believe, we just don't see how bad it gets except in glimpses.
I compare it to Alita: Battle Angel, which did a fantastic job of starting out with the setting seeming like this almost utopian melting pot where even people who lose limbs can be made whole again, because we're seeing it through the eyes of a "newborn" in a teenage body who's hanging out with other teenagers. Then, over the course of the movie, we're slowly introduced to how fucked up society has become; the violence even penetrates the kid bubble on one occasion.
You could also look at the OG Pokemon games, where the story in the background is, "Organized crime performing illegal animal experiments takes a research facility/corpo HQ hostage and eventually produces a bioweapon," while the vast majority of players are focused on the main story's sports glory narrative.
But, again, a lot of cyberpunk pushes the dystopian elements beyond their logical conclusions for groady points. It's all based on shit like mid-century American slums and housing projects, 19th century company towns, and Kowloon Walled City, and eventually everyone gets fed up with the circumstances in these places that one thing or another ends them. The boot stamping on your head wears out.
Anonymous No.150200861 >>150200940
>>150200845
So, in the end, what I think we're looking at with BB is a world where the corpo oppression shenanigans are actually happening, but outside the viewer's perspective and probably to a lesser extent than more hardcore fiction, because that hardcore fiction isn't realistic. Something can be dark without being grimdark.
Anonymous No.150200867
>>150199003
DC doesn't want Batman to be a legacy character. They want Bruce to keep doing it until he dies, then come back from the dead somehow and keep doing it more.
Anonymous No.150200896 >>150200975
>>150200845
>You could also look at the OG Pokemon games, where the story in the background is, "Organized crime performing illegal animal experiments takes a research facility/corpo HQ hostage and eventually produces a bioweapon," while the vast majority of players are focused on the main story's sports glory narrative.
Technically, the bioweapon was already made. Taking over the corporation was so they could obtain the means to catch it, among other goals to rule the region's economy.
Anonymous No.150200940
>>150200845
>>150200861
>>150200547
>At the very least my rule of thumb is that if the setting has a functioning, natural ecosystem, it can't be that grim
I guess what I'm saying is that I agree that it doesn't get this bad. (But I think that's a good thing for the world-building since everyone is dead or dying in that scenario, tech be damned. Cyberpunk that pushes it like that might be popular for some people, but it's not really a cogent critique of corporatism or tech run amok, it's a giddy apocalyptic playground like Fallout where half the "fun" is twisting circumstances in impossible ways to fuck with players/each other. Like how most slasher movies work.)
Anonymous No.150200972
>>150200568
Damienfags deserve the rope.
Anonymous No.150200975 >>150201032
>>150200896
Oh, right. They made it/funded the scientists making it, then it escaped, then the game's events.
Anonymous No.150201032 >>150201375
>>150200975
That's anime canon. In the original games, Team Rocket had nothing to do with Mewtwo and it was all just one foolish scientist's mistake in playing God.
Anonymous No.150201036
>>150197924 (OP)
Neo Year and Neo Gotham were especially bad fanfiction.
Next mini-series is Batman Beyond/Future Static crossover, which is fun. In the Milestone 30th, the Future Static/Batman Beyond story was the coolest part.
The pre-Futures End Batman Beyond comics were pretty good. The DCAU tieins were the best.
Anonymous No.150201375 >>150201587
>>150201032
They're connected in the games, too. Fuji knew where Team Rocket's hideout in Celadon was.
Anonymous No.150201587 >>150203046
>>150201375
Everybody knew Team Rocket's hideout was sonewhere in Celadon. Fuji was nothing special in that regard.
Anonymous No.150202759
>>150197924 (OP)
Filtered
Anonymous No.150203046 >>150203135 >>150203135
>>150201587
But he actually went there to tell them off. So it wasn't just that he knew it was there, somewhere; he knew exactly where it was, because he was working with them. It explains why TR knew about Mewtwo in the first place, and the lengths they needed to go to capture it.
Anonymous No.150203135
>>150203046
>>150203046
>But he actually went there to tell them off
Yeah, over the Marowak they killed, and with so many Rockets openly walking the streets, it's pretty clear that Mewtwo had nothing to do with their argument. Team Rocket being tied to Mewtwo was originally an anime invention that slowly got rolled into the games with each set if Kanto remakes.
Anonymous No.150203162 >>150203332
I love Batman Beyond and it's probably my favorite DCAU show aside from JLU, but I always imagine what the show would be like if they put more work into the Blight/Powers Family storyline. Too bad the execs wanted more high school drama episodes.
Anonymous No.150203269
>>150197924 (OP)
>Batman Beyond doesn't match the intro's dystopian atmosphere. :/
But pic related does. BLAM you're dead.

https://w9.blame-manga.com/manga/blame-chapter-1/
Anonymous No.150203295
>>150199003
It's so fucking stupid, they never introduced Damian in any of the games, Talia dies in Arkham City and Terry is right there just waiting to be introduced, they even made skins for Beyond in AC and AK.
Anonymous No.150203332 >>150203444
>>150203162
The Blight storyline was always planned to end with Season 1 because Timm and Dini were not expecting to get renewed and wanted to at least make sure Terry settled things with his father's death.
Anonymous No.150203444 >>150203523
>>150203332
They could come up with a new storyline with Paxton Powers when they got the green light for Season 2, it's not like plans don't change. But I'm pretty sure they dropped most ideas for "executive/business people bad" because the network demanded it.
Anonymous No.150203523 >>150203733
>>150203444
Paxton was clearly a last-minute rewrite upon the show's renewal to prevent Bruce from getting his company back after Blight's death and thus keeping that status-quo for the new season.
Anonymous No.150203554
>>150197924 (OP)
yes it did
Anonymous No.150203733 >>150204148
>>150203523
Bruce getting his company back wouldn't have done much for the show anyway, at least anything good
A small arc where Wayne-Powers is vied for by a bunch of candidates, not just Paxton, could've been fun, have all these corporate vultures playing against each other while Bruce and Terry run damage control
Anonymous No.150204148
>>150203733
Might have been fun and maybe a legit direction for the show if not for the executive mandate of our high school aged hero having to go to high school and do high school stuff. On the other hand that might put too much focus on Bruce even if that story is essentially Terry saving Bruce by helping him get his company back and maybe pottery after Bruce helped Terry get revenge for his father.