Thread 150200860

I liked her initial series, but imo no decision made about her character afterwards made ever sense:
1.) Her being shoehorned into events was a bad decision as she didn’t yet possess the necessary fan following to not make this dumb.
2.) Her being shoehorned into team books was dumb due to how she was designed for solo adventures.
3.) Her death in ASM was super dumb as that’s already a sign of total Kamala fatigue. It took Superman decades to get to a point were his death mattered … and it wasn’t done in a Batman book.
4.) Making her a mutant was dumb as it was way too obvious another attempt at shoehorning her into things instead of letting her become a beloved character.
5.) Forcing her into all X-Men events and trying to push her into X-Men is basically the admittance that nobody wants her, but they have corporate order to push her nonetheless. It’s not smart, it’s not working and it’s cringe.

Bottom line: Marvel nuked a promising character into oblivion and should accept the giant L, but Marvel will instead double and triple down, because nobody at Marvel knows any better anymore.

>>150200860 (OP)
You forgot her being pushed as a powerful shapeshifter almost on the level of Plastic Man, but didn't even last a full year before her powers were nerfed to near-uselessness, and now they're trying to replace the shapeshifting altogether with shitty energy constructs.

>is making anyone a mutant a good idea
No

Let me guess, you watched Comics by Perch's video

>>150200962
>almost on the level of Plastic Man
Really?

>>150201050
She was doing a lot more with her powers out the gate: growing to skyscraper size, morphing into other people, reshaping herself into objects like abandoned couches, and so on. That was all written out by #9 as having too much energy in her from getting her powers and that she had since burned it all out.

>>150200962
>>150201050
>>150201240
Her powerset was closer to Apocalypse minus Celestial Armor, not as good as Plastic Man, but pretty formidable.

She probably keeps both powersets going forward.

>>150200860 (OP)
It keeps her in books, Kamala has hardcore fans who spend hundreds on her variant covers but she's soft on overall monthly readers. Now with stronger characters to pair her with she can still move the variants and Marvel doesn't have to use softer books like the Champions, Inhumans or Captain Marvel.
Also it gives the next generation of X-Men a character with some juice to be the leader of the future and a ride along character for this current generation of readers who may not be up on X-Lore as she's the new Kitty Pryde for 2025.
Marvel just has to rip off the band aid and dump her old supporting cast and have Kamala deep dive in the world of X-Men, instead of having only one toe in.

>>150201432
Except all of her X-books bombed, solos, teams, variants, Trades, digital ect. she dropped in all fields. She isn't doing shit for them and in fact might being poisoning the well. Characters like X23 sell great and mysteriously the team up with her and kamala didn't sell.

>>150201240
Sounds more fun
>>150201282
Did they ever acknowledge that?

>>150201486
Anecdotal evidence from a guy who hates comics isn't evidence. All the X-Men books are still in the top 100, and Giant Size X-Men mini series about Kamala in the past are strong top 30 sellers, way better than being outside of the top 100 like her solo books.
You Kamala fans need to understand her days as a solo character are over, best you can hope for is support for her on the X-Men remains strong so they can build X-Men books around her.

>>150201623
>Giant Size X-Men mini series about Kamala in the past are strong top 30 sellers
Every issue of Giant besides the first one was out of the top 30 with the first one only being ranked 28th. which is horrible for an X-book let alone the big 50th anniversary mini that had a bunch sales begging back ups and variant covers.
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/59987/top-50-comics-june-2025
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/60449/top-50-comics-august-2025
You don't need to be outside the top 100 to flop. Having expensive writers, advertising, and variant covers. That shit is way more monetary investment than a book zero variants ranking 105.
Kamala isn't doing shit for the X-men and the X-men aren't doing shit for her.

>>150201623
>Anecdotal evidence
Why do her books keep getting canceled? Even Captain Britain Tini howard was at least relaunched with the same team. Why did the character with 50+ solo issue not get a solo when Brevoort is handing them out like halloween candy? They have more faith in fucking Mystique and Magik than Kamala.

>>150200860 (OP)
No

>>150200962
>shapeshifter almost on the level of Plastic Man
That's a good power. She should shapeshift into a car and let infidel boys ride her.

>>150200860 (OP)
no it was a bad idea.

>>150201759
The real Kamala died with the last incursion. What we've had since is a slightly-imperfect recreation from when the Richards rebuilt existence from the ground up.

yes because of the change she doesn't hypnotized as often

yes after the change she doesn't get hypnotized as often

>>150200860 (OP)
>Character wasn't ever actually popular in any tangible way in the first place
>inconsistent powers and inconsistent stakes
>Her team-up Champions comics did worse
>trying to put her in the MCU and the disastrous Square Enix live service game only made her even more unlikable
>shoving her into the X-Men during the fucking awful Krakoa era made her both a poochie and part of the worst on-going event in recent years
>trying to retroactively make her a beloved member of the X-Men made even the most braindead, forgiving fans realize how badly she was being forced on them
>dust has mostly settled and now she's not just objectively unpopular, but permanently stained by years of incompetent Poochie pushing through the worst Mutant-centric comics in Marvel history

>>150200860 (OP)
Kamala has been a lost cause since Civil War 2. Making Kamala a mutant in the MCU and then the comics felt like a desperate attempt to connect her to a more popular brand than the Inhumans. The problem is people like Kamala as the street level hero on the outskirts of the usual big end of the world threats always happening in New York. Making her a mutant and then forcing on to an X-team felt incredibly desperate.

>>150203114
>Kamala has been a lost cause since Civil War 2
Even before that. The very first page of the first reboot said "Fuck it!" and made her an Avenger for no reason whatsoever.

>>150203223
They needed to fill the void left by Ex Nihilo and Starbrand. Just don't tell Rage.

>>150201487
No one in the comics has ever acknowledged that Kamala's Inhuman powerset is the same as Apocalypse's before he got the Celestial Armor.

>>150203359
Seems like a missed opportunity

>>150200860 (OP)
No

>>150200860 (OP)
Making her into a mutant was fine, she was going to be one originally.
Making her into an X-Man was a mistake.

>>150201282
>Her powerset was closer to Apocalypse minus Celestial Armor
No matter how many times writers try to pretend Apocalypse gets most of his powers from the techno-organic virus or from the Celestial Armor that Remender made up, he displays most of his powerset in stories set before he ever finds the Celestial ship.

>>150203040
>Square Enix live service game only made her even more unlikable
Speak for yourself, I loved Fingoria and her big hands. She's so delightfully insufferable.

>>150204840
>Making her into an X-Man was a mistake.
Are there any unaffiliated Mutants any more? Even Wanda and Pietro keep getting fucking sucked back into the X-Men clusterfuck. I don't think it actually did that much, but I wouldn't be surprised that, had she started off as a Mutant, she would've gotten fucked narratively much earlier.

The X-Men are a blackhole for solo characters.

>>150204840
>she was going to be one originally.
She wasn't going to have book originally. Wilson herself said Ike is why she got a book. If Kamala didn't become an Inhuman she would have been Sana's nameless self insert from KSD captain marvel.