Thread 150213828

It's finally happening, panbros

https://x.com/PanPizzaArt/status/1964006913013592355

>>150213828 (OP)
Alright, /co/
Predict the view count

>>150213963
100k at the absolute most
Pan will commit suicide on his next Livestream

>>150213828 (OP)
Cool for a one-off independent short, but this concept is just far too niche and still complicated to track narratively for a long-form series. Many of these indie filmmakers need to quit using the term "pilot" so loosely when it's clear they can't afford to make more installments on their own.

>>150213828 (OP)
yay!

>>150214023
It's so weird how so many of them call their shorts pilots since 2019.
Even the webtoons of the older age knew they were small scale and kept their episodes to 5 mins or less with budget animation. Everyone is trying to shit out 30 min epics now.

>>150213993
>100k at the absolute most
pretty much yeah lol, maaaybe 200k if lucky

>>150214023
That's what a pilot is. A little proof of concept to show investors so you can make more. You work up enough goodwill to make a pitch, might get a little funding to turn that pitch into a pilot, get more funding to turn that pilot into an purchase order for a season, and see where it goes from there.

Anyway this thing looks embarrassing. But it says something that an untalented person with crazy persistence will get farther than any genius who just sits there and stews without creating anything.

>>150213828 (OP)
anyone remember that adult swim pitch

>>150214087
>Investors
There are no fucking investors.

>>150214087
Kekaroo
The reality is that these indiefags are fucking themselves into debt to produce bloated episodes.
Some of these retards are pouring 50-100k into these and they will never get picked up.
Especially now since the industry is completely dead. No one except the most nepo of nepobabies are getting greenlit. Even animation industry vets are struggling.
It's beyond over

>>150214106
Adult Swim funded the pilot

Partially

>>150213963
It’s capping at 211k views

>>150213963
This is literally just the same trailer he did 2 years ago with slightly different wording.
Also Loki’s a demon now? A bit late to hop on the hazbin hotel train pan.

>>150213828 (OP)
>web cartoon about demons
Every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZOeCcXwdwc

>>150214023
I feel like the logistical problems stem from Pan wanting to make something more teen/adult oriented instead just a kid show that wouldn't bring those problems up themselves.

When you get down to it it's really just one of those collect em all, battle of the week sort of shows that flooded the early 2000's.
Digimon, Pokemon, Medabots, Megaman Battle Network, except all themed around art and animation.

>>150214023
This this this, tpbp
This is stylish as fuck but it does feel like it's going to be one of those "pilots" that doesn't go anywhere unless a studio picks it up, which will almost certainly not happen.
Still better than LSMark's godawful horse shit pilot. I'll take style over substance over whatever the fuck that was.
>>150214045
Hazbin Hotel happened and now every half rate animator thinks if they put
>[PILOT]
in their YouTube title that Amazon is just going to scoop their shitty idea up and make it into a multi million dollar production.

>>150214421
Why can't these guys create PG 90s cartoon level stuff with these concepts? Instead they just staple the word "fuck" to the script so they can call it adult

Whatever happens, at least we know it's gonna turn out better than Catching Up.

>>150214463
I think Loki IRL is meant to be PG/PG 13 with the only "edgy" elements being the violence and sex appeal

>>150214527
I'm still not sure what Catching Up was supposed to be about

>>150214552
Trailer has overtly displays a big black chick with visible nipples and pubes and a song with F bombs.

>>150213993
Judging from his current view count, sounds about right

>>150214527
>>150214570
it was about a guy who thinks having a youtube channel where he bitches about fairly odd parents means he can make a cartoon all about how girls were mean to him

>>150214683
Will Loki IRL be better than Fixed

>>150214672
I'm privy to information about Youtube watch time and such because I make my own videos. I have noticed that watch time has just about halved over the span of a couple years. The average Youtube viewer is fucking retarded and probably only watched 3 minutes out of 30 minute videos, so obviously Youtube is not gonna promote his content

I noticed that Toonrifictirq and Hatsoffmedia haven't promoted their own pilots in the few uploads they made in a while. Did they give up?

I wonder if Bianca still has a sister in this version

>>150214718
Maybe, it’ll be more tolerable than fixed

I really liked the comic back before I came to grips with how much of a fag Pizzaboy is (no, I haven’t forgotten those stories about you bullying Penken, Ricky), but even at that, a majority of the changes he made for what he now considers the definitive version that’s going into the pilot are for the worse. I think issue 2 or so was where it peaked for me and he clearly let Bad Webcomic Wiki’s and Sonny’s criticisms go to his head.

>>150214762
They're probably just focused on animating them or doing other things. I know Tariq has to commission to pay the bills.

>>150214035
if i were Pan, i'd be eternally
pissed at Mango for fucking up my life to such a degree
>starts dating Pan for his YT clout
>makes him drop everything to move to Chicago with her
>transitions into a guy
>breaks up with Pan
>randomly moves to Ukraine and leaves Pan alone in Chicago
what the actual fuck

>>150214463
Obviously, they don't have the business skills and professionalism required in the industry and just want to make stuff that appeals to the artistic weirdos in their inner-circle, instead of demographics. The irony is, when I think of an excellent salesman, I think of the arch-nemesis of cartoon reviewers - Butch Hartman. They should take a page out of his book.

>>150213828 (OP)
You know what?
I'll make a bold statement right here and now:
>The pilot will probably just be okay

I'll be generous in saying there's enough here for it to be a semi-compotent mess of loose influences.
We probably won't get too annoyed.

I look forward to one or two people online making their own IRLs, feels like the main gimmick people will latch onto.

Pan really needed to plan this shit out in his webcomic though, he'd save himself a lot of headaches.

>>150214718
It'll be way shorter to sit through.
Loki IRL will be on YouTube for free and I don't plan on watching a whole movie about dog castration.
No one, not Walt Disney or Miyazaki or fucking Ralph Baksi could convince to watch the whole thing.

>>150214272
funded by the people who watch adult swim

>>150214272
I bet you believe the MK Ultra Girls pilot was real too

>>150214995
>going for they/them pussy 10 years his junior
he was asking for it

>>150214683
>So Pan, are there dogs you can fuck?

>>150214023
>this concept is just far too niche

It's Pokemon/Yugioh/Digimon with more design philosophies per animation style
"Person who wants to make it big in their field" is such an easy core premise anyone would understand the plot

>>150213963
1M off of clout and word of mouth

>>150213828 (OP)
I want to be there in the Pan Man's corner. I really do. But I feel like it's just not engaging enough, at least from what I remember seeing of the pilot when he streamed it:
>The story/writing/general scenario wasn't all that interesting
>Pan voices himself and it's super distracting
>The presentation in general feels way too much like one of his reviews, which makes it feel like he is an artistic one-trick-pony
It's tough because I like Pan's channel and hope for his success but I can't see this going anywhere. When I think "Who is this for? Who will earnestly fall deeply in love with Loki IRL and make fanfics, fanart, etc. to stay in the world?", well... no target audience comes to mind. I can see pity views from fans, sure. But ultimately this pilot is gonna come and go like the LS Mark one. Unloved.

>>150213828 (OP)
>The writer's barely disguised toon fetish
I'm only going to watch this out of curiosity and laugh at Pan for not keeping his fetishes to himself.

>>150215052
>Pan really needed to plan this shit out in his webcomic though, he'd save himself a lot of headaches.
Pan? Thinking things through? Lol

>>150214995
At some point, you have to feel sorry for Pan.
>your three best friends are a pedophile, a mentally ill troon, and a guy with family (something you still don't have)
>second attempt at podcastt instantly fails due to your co-host being a retard
>third attempt doesn't even take off past channel profile
>YT keeps fucking you and paying you less due to system changes
>can't even make streaming game a part time job due to your animation project
>embarass yourself infront of animation legends due to being an insecure fucktard, killing any shot at making it in the industry
>said animation project will likely be a flop due to the new allgorithim not pushing it to people
I've watched the guy since his inception and followed his content for over a decade. Seeing him constantly fail honestly hurts

This show is forever fucked because Pan will never change the way the humans look. He just won’t. He’s an autismo who has to cling to “muh style” and can’t get out of his own head to see things through another person’s point of view.
The premise of “humans and toons colliding” relies on what you see visually, and when the ‘normal humans’ are presented in a wacky and toony artstyle they end up looking no different from the things they’re supposed to be opposites of, which are the toons.
If he gets brought on by a studio (which he won’t) the first thing he’ll be asked to change is the humans so that they look more grounded. That way you can understand the premise of the show just by looking at it, anyone human with eyes immediately gets it and is onboard.

>>150213828 (OP)
>Entire premise is built on different artists having different styles and mediums
>Don't hire different artists to design these characters
Pan just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi artists like Araki have when designing esoteric battle avatars. A stand is like a tailored Armani suit where anyone looks cool or classy with one, but IRLs are exclusively short stack pan OCs. It's like any pokemon could be someones favorite but you have to like Pans style at all to like any of these things.

>>150214718
I liked fixed more, but i thought both were fairly good. Honestly what put fixed above loki irl to me is mostly just stuff like voice acting and conpleteness, the version he screened at momocon still had very conceptual level animation on some of the bigger action scenes so I might think differently of the finished pilot, but the voice acting was pretty weak and that won't change. I don't see the show continuing beyond a pilot, it doesnt feel like it can catch the audience a pilot like this needs to and it was full of animation industry commentary, which i dont think will appeal to most people. It's a shame, i didn't recognize him until after but later in the con pan stopped me to talk about my halo head sweater and he was really friendly and genuine. I hope it gets some love because there was a lot to like about it and i would hate to see that effort not get the attention it deserves.

Really bad trailer honestly. I have no reason to want Pan to not have success with this but this gives you no good first look at the characters and why you should care about them. VERY odd choice to voice one of the characters and also do a voice-over explaining what the show is, I couldn't even tell when the Loki character was speaking or if it was Pan himself.
>>150214718
>>150214854
No, you're stupid.

>>150215415
Agreed, he doesn't have the skillset that Araki has/developed to make good use of his setting's power system or his characters really.

Even the lamest or obscure Jojo concepts have a ton of background information to them, even if it's is usually bizarre.

This premise could have been both fun and interesting but it's gonna a mess In afraid.

>>150214187
>>150214023
>>150214427
Why do you zoomers act older than you are and like such know it alls while knowing nothing at all?

>niche
Hence in point, you're a know nothing. You never watched Pokemon and YuGiOh as a child so you wouldn't know jackshit about this style of cartoon.

>>150215397
>The premise of “humans and toons colliding” relies on what you see visually, and when the ‘normal humans’ are presented in a wacky and toony artstyle they end up looking no different from the things they’re supposed to be opposites of, which are the toons.
At this point he's so deep in his style I'm not sure he'd ever be able to pull it off unless he gets other animators to just add their own styles (which seems like the case for that one Gumby knockoff character). You'd think he'd learn something from Kappa Mikey (or even fucking Drawn Together)

>>150215571
Hi, Pan
Good luck on your pilot

>>150215143
what WAS the point of that?

https://x.com/RebelTaxi/status/1964036071609573562
>$15k budget
>30 mins long
At least it still cost less than most indieshit

>>150215575
HAS-BEENS, UP-AND-DOWNS
MIKEY’S COME TO TOWN

>>150215714
pan created this for engagement, thats all

>>150215714
why, my peanus weenus of course!

hahah! :)

it’s my weeeeenus peanus! hahah :D

what WAS the point of that? - the answer is, of course, my peenus weanus ;D

hahah!

>>150215143
Im so certain it was cause clout is so powerful, then some executive mustive been like “wait a fucking minute this art is red hot ass even for 2010s cartoon art standards and we wont able to sell this at all.” Remember the reach Pan used to have, like writing an article for Playboy of all things and all the industry connections he had.

>>150215415
What's worse he tries to tout the limited animation aspect like that's supposed to be a appealing in a premise with lots of fighting

>>150215783
He’d be nobody if he wasnt such a savant when it comes to editing

>>150213963
Depends on if it's watchable or a total mess. That artstyle means he isn't going to get random clicks from kids either.

>>150214995
Wasn’t pan dating mango when he was already out as a tboy?

>>150216048
he was, there's even an extremely cursed pic of pan next to mango at some college rally with her chopped up titties out

>>150215571
>like such know it alls while knowing nothing at all
Probably bait but I'd really like to see you explain why we're wrong.
So many of these YouTubers make "Pilots" and spend years and thousands of dollars to do so only for it not to pan out into anything more. I lived through.
There's a reason shit like Eddsworld actually has an active fanbase and Long Gone Gulch doesn't. They made more than one episode.

>>150214995
he's actually grateful to her because she literally pulled him out into the world and introduced him to people outside the internet. He talked about it on stream and in his last video he said that the internet doesn't really matter for him that much now

>>150215714
>>150215143
Its funny so many people thought this was real. It feels like something only HE would make. There's no chance in hell that if WB wanted to put money into an MK series, they would make it only about the girls and have a YouTuber design the entire thing. It just would not happen.

>>150216144
>he's actually grateful to her because she literally pulled him out into the world and introduced him to people outside the internet
god i wish that were me

>>150215192
the more I hear about relationships between people in their 20s and 30s the more i start to think it isn’t as uncommon as it seems

>>150216164
>people continue to deny pan claims just because of it sounding fake as fuck
grim

>>150216144
>he said that the internet doesn't really matter for him that much now
this is his job....

>>150213828 (OP)
>"worked" on this shit for years
>looks worse than amateur flash animation done by teenagers
I hope Pan never lives this down and leaves the internet forever.

>>150213828 (OP)
>concept is literally just an OCT in cartoon form
>instead of having the characters fighting over something specific or having some kind of framing device, it's just about social media, wanting to be popular, and getting cancelled
>has nothing to actually say about any of those topics, nor art, nor creativity, nor the highly specific and interesting ways that artists express themselves through their OCs and fan characters
>doesn't even actually seem aware of what people get out of making an OC in the first place
>he's been workshopping this shit for decades and it's the most watered down, vapid, pointless combination of monster battling, contemporary hipster drama, and some vague, but clearly not properly explored riff on tournament fighter anime tropes

>>150216112
What also helps Eddsworld continue to have an audience while LGG came and went is because back in the 2000's the idea of your webcartoon becoming a fully fledged series was a near pipe dream so guys like Edd Gould made their cartoons for fun with their friends
Now in the modern era where we know a well received webseries can get picked up for a Netflix/Amazon deal there's a bigger incentive to take a mortgage out on your house to produce something close to industry-tier and then hope it actually gets picked up. Then when it doesn't you can't afford to continue the series because you employed too many assistance on animation and background and your Voice actors are professionals or guys who aren't by Guild standards but still get work regardless

on a side not I think the BBC offered to take up Eddsworld as a Television show but Edd declined

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>>150216347
>who actually makes Comics and Cartoons
Then this is on topic

are we not discussing a Cartoon someone made, you dingus?

>>150216347
ywnbaj

>>150216144
Got a link to the stream?

>>150216447
oh no, but it was the old one, like 10 streams ago. Maybe some anons give you a link

>>150216380
pan's antics have more substance than the actual pilot

>>150213828 (OP)
>said "gooners have low standards" in reference to people liking Kitty Katswell in last stream
>has edited XJ9 porn in his videos before
Stupid hypocrite looking to jump on trends.

>>150215571
yugioh and pokemon had toys and games to fall back on. alongside fun likeable protagonists like a boy possessed by an egyptian pharoah or an electric shooting rat.
this show stars a fat emo girl and a green mexican man.
its over.

>>150216684
I like Pan, but I'll never forget that crisis he had when people started to get on his case about his lust for Raven since the version from the CN cartoon isn't a adult but also wanted to obviously criticize people like Bruce Timm for his pictures of the Eva girls who are 14.

>>150216180
It's not uncommon, men in their 30s tend to have money/stability that women in their 20s are attracted to. Mid 20's woman/early 30's man is a pretty unremarkable pairing offline.

>>150216797
Let's not pretend there isn't a group of people willing to follow a show about a fat emo girl

>>150216909
> when people started to get on his case about his lust for Raven since the version from the CN cartoon isn't a adult
Also including Gaz in his goth fetish video

>>150213963
A billion-trillion-bi-billion views

>>150214087
Most of these pilots are made by 13 year olds or millennials hiring real artists to draw their shit for them.

>>150214527
Catching Up was horrible. Who was that for anyway? Millennials? Zoomers?

>>150217518
Or how in one of his "Modern cartoon vids" he had to shut down peoples obvious idea of him liking the goth Loud House girl.

>>150213828 (OP)
Finally i see Blanca in motion

>>150214092
After Genndy put out Dog Testicles: The Movie, I don’t think anyone here takes his opinions seriously anymore

>>150215575
Mitsuki was pure sex, I don't give a fuck what Lilyfags have to say.

As much goodwill I have Pan, I think I'd rather have him continue making Loki IRL on his own rather than clearly hoping to be picked up by some sort of network. Both because doing the former can help him grow as an artist but because being picked up by a network means it can be restrictive in some way.

Plus let's be real what happened with Hazbin and to some aspect TADC are 1 in a million chance deals

>Pan getting shit done
Did he finally ditch that annoying tranny?

>>150216144
And now Mango's fucking tons of guys in Ukraine (she's tweeted about it) and Pan doesn't seem any different

>>150217948
Nope

>>150213828 (OP)
I hope that once this gets out it exorcises his demons and he gets on with his life.

>>150216144
> she literally pulled him out into the world
Weird, all he posts about is them visiting some abandoned buildings, which sounds more depressing than interesting. Plus he had con meet ups with the podcast regulars every year.

>>150216144
ahaha funny story about that
ive hung out with the two of them at cons when they were still together and pan seemed miserable while mango kept stringing him along making all the decisions and talking over him a lot apparently she fucked one of their mutual friends behind his back while he was at a panel too. i wasnt at that specific con and im going entirely off what my friends told me but that is undeniably something mango would do

>>150213828 (OP)
>You can tell which one IRL Art and which is Human!

I can’t. Both the humans and much of the IRLs have the same artsyle.

>>150214087
>But it says something that an untalented person with crazy persistence will get farther than any genius who just sits there and stews without creating anything.
I think about this a lot, I have the talent (can write, draw, compose, act, edit) to create something but don't have the drive or motivation to actually make something to share with everybody else. I just make projects for myself, but I think of stuff like Sonichu and how Chris DID actually get something released into the world, quality be damned.

>>150216953
is the opposite less common then? late 20s/early 30s woman and early 20s men? asking for a friend

>>150218389
Hagmaxxing is popular among zoomers, yes. It's weird zoomers won't date each other but they have no problem going for older men/women.

>>150213963
200k, maybe even 1m if pan is super lucky

>>150214995
Never trust art hoes and libtard women

>>150216144
As someone who actually has a social life, it’s definitely better to be around real people that you like and care about. The problem though is that it’s super hard to actually do

>>150213828 (OP)
>it's another OP refuses to post the youtube link thread
andd hidden

>>150218589
It's not actually out yet, but here's the trailer

https://youtu.be/_NUke76oJXU

>>150216909
> criticize people like Bruce Timm for his pictures of the Eva girls who are 14.
Kek, Bruce has been drawing supergirl and Babs like that since forever and they’re also teens. Plus the original Eva show drew them in a sexy way as well

>>150218533
>implying trusting “rw” women is any better
LMAO

>>150213963
Does anyone *genuinely* expect this to be any good... like at all?

>>150218036
Urban Exploration is nothing to scoff at, anon

>>150218099
I mean I’d assume Pan gets off to getting cucked

>>150213963
Pan's view count has been dropping for a while and I honestly believe the indie bubble is slowly deflating.
100-300k max. Could very well top out at 90k. He will not recoup the 15,000 he spent. No episode 2 unless he lowers the scope substantially (which is ideal, as this pilot is half an hour long)

>>150219285
>He won't recoup the 15k he spent
Yeah no kidding.
This nigger can't even afford vet care for his cat
https://x.com/RebelTaxi/status/1964098650608386346
I swear every eceleb is setting up a gofuckme now. The recession is real

>>150218669
This was back when Tumblr let you post porn and was the rise of everyone trying to cause moral panic.

Plus people have issue with the show itself doing that too. There was a whole sect of people who were convinced that the moral of End of Evangelion was to call people who liked fancservice shitty, which is ironic cause Anno the director liked shit like Strike Witches. A anime where all the characters are lolis who are showing off their panties all the time

>>150213828 (OP)
So
What are the odds of it getting picked up?

>>150220694
Not likely, but I hope he's happy he tried. Maybe he can find some sort of outlet to continue if it doesn't get picked up, like a web comic....oh wait.

Reminder that Daftpina was a "creative consultant" on pan's pilot.
Here is Daft's work
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcvW5a7wJxM

>>150213963
High chances it might beat Wastelandia

>>150220694
>What are the odds of it getting picked up?
If the coomers on /co/ haven't latched on to any of the characters it's dead on arrival. Most people will tell you vivziepop shows are trash but nobody can deny she hit a couple homeruns with certain characters.
The problem Pan has is he has a tainted impression on how appealing his original ideas are because he built his audience around well edited commentary videos. It's the embodiment of "consuming alot of media is not the same as creativity".

>>150221452
>latched on to any of the characters
Ah, the HGS method, even though that failed and only lived on through leads and threads on /co/

>>150221235
Do you think he's still gonna be given a role in the credits? It's been years. I know Pan isn't as vocal about it anymore.

>>150221235
I know it gets said a lot, but this was genuinely the longest 15 minutes I've ever had to sit through.

>>150221452
>nobody can deny she hit a couple homeruns with certain characters.
that is such a pretentiously glazy way to say "furries like furry characters" and "twitter continues to like the age old deviantart/tumblr era style of characters."

>>150215396
The thing with Pan is that he's pretty incompetent and oblivious to social cues (ignoring friends/doing new projects without telling them, fumbling important pitches, making friends with new people who are obviously bad news), but he's never outright malicious. It's hard to feel mad at him for whatever shit people give him even if you know he kinda put himself in that situation.

I do think he's (slowly) learning more, his romantic relationship with Mango ended but for the first time it seems like they're still on good terms (compared to his other exes and even his friends). From what it sounds like in >>150216144, he's finally touching grass.

>>150222515
He's like James Rolfe, but self-deprecating instead of egotistical.

>>150216144
>he said that the Internet doesn't really matter for him that much now
Source?

>>150214421
This pic made me realize something...
Loki IRL isn't Pokemon or Yugioh. It wants to be Zatch Bell so fucking bad.
And after reading the manga let me tell ya: Pan doesn't have what it takes to make something as enjoyable as Zatch Bell.

>>150223385
You know whos got the power

https://youtu.be/o1lww0amysg

>>150213828 (OP)
Is it just me or has Pan not changed at all?

>>150223692
His art, or his personality?

>>150223738
god what an ugly character. You just know he was assuming she'd be popular.

>>150223738
His personality

>>150213828 (OP)
Do you think it'll get picked up by a company?

https://x.com/PanPizzaArt/status/1964006913013592355

>>150214023
Too niche? If anything the concept is too broad and lacks any sort of polish. It's a huge problem when your concept is about humans and cartoons existing together but you can't fucking tell them apart half the time.

>>150216208
Considering there's zero proof the thing actually existed it's hard to take a "leak" that sounds that absurd at face value.

>>150223970
The giveaway to me was how everyone of the "screenshots" are drawn as if they we're meant to be still images instead of actually caught moving images, basically colored animatics.

It's the equivalent of those old fake Sonic X screenshots

>>150215396

>your three best friends are a pedophile

wut?

>>150224078
He's talking about Nolan, he got caught in a scandal for commissioning lewd art by minors. Not that minors were in the art but that the commissioners were minors or something.

>>150224181
I'll never forget the day they showed up in Atlanta. I remember telling my little cousin that the tranny was the worst one. Nolan on the other hand looked like a scary dude when he had his head shaved.

>>150217934
Starting your series with a comic is what Lackadaisy is doing, it has the clear advantage of giving you all the guidelines for how the story should progress and be translated when it animated.
Anime and comics do that shit all the time.

>Plus let's be real what happened with Hazbin and to some aspect TADC are 1 in a million chance deals
Agreed.
Death is the rule, survival is the exception.

Both of those series had a lot of hands and planning in deck, Pan does not have the resources or skillset to turn his Pilot into anything worthwhile at this stage.
It's not easy to sell his concept to companies without interest and merchandising.

I mean he said he made the whole thing using an old ass laptop, a tablet and he used rotoscope.
I know it's not just the style he's going for, he needs to work like this because there's no other option.

Still gonna watch it though, still curious.

>>150220694
I don't know, but Pan should've just pulled a Real Steel and have a thing where people create IRLs to fight each other as a sport, basically cartoon characters boxing to the death for money and fame, and the more famous an IRL gets the stronger it becomes or some shit like that.
Or did he already did something like that, why do the IRLs even fight.

>>150224217
IIRC, some anon went to art school with him. He said he had a naturally loud voice and only talked about Sonic.

>>150223774
He has mellowed out with age but sadly he is to autistic to grow very quickly.

>>150223668
For a second I thought this would be folgore song.

>>150224498
Yeah I can see that, it might have been Pan's podcast but Nolan pretty much called the shots due to Pan being so aloof. I remember prior to Nolan's bailing out, Nolan got so sick of people insinuating that.

>>150224498
>>150224616
So he's a bigger, gayer Spazkid?

>>150224181
>>150224078
https://youtu.be/XrzcZTw50yI

>>150224823
The fact he sounds exactly what he looks like is hilarious to me, holy shit.

pan made loki irl an animated pilot so he could get porn of his ocs.

>>150224958
The characters don't have the looks nor the personalities to get that kind of attention

>>150224823
I haven't heard his voice in a long time. Dude was actually a good foil to Pan at their peak now that I think about it.

>>150225061
The early podcasts with Ken and Nolan were so comfy. They had that amateur charm to them, just a bunch of awkward nerds talking about cartoons. And yeah Nolan and Ken were good at keeping Pan in check and challenging his autismo when they needed to

>>150224217
>I remember telling my little cousin that the tranny was the worst one
They were all pretty bad. Izzy was an industry snob who only pointed out others flaws. Nolan was an obnoxious homo who got off on Pan's humiliation fetish. Jim was a bore and lowkey snob in his own right. Pan was... Pan. Some of the most horrendous guests, too.God, I miss that podcast.

>>150225198
>Jim was a bore and lowkey snob in his own right
Jim would have interesting stuff to talk about in regards to the production side of tv but occasionally he'd have a shitty ass take I'd disagree with.

>>150224767
yes

>>150223738
Even though I lost the respect I once had for Pan I still like his art. Wavebird looked alot better before the redesign in anycase. I recognize the Johnen Vazquez look might not do it for some though.

>>150224972
What about Bianca

>>150224075
I'm still convinced it's a real low quality pilot. CN/WB has plenty of these that are unreleased, including one that literally has no mention of it anywhere online that was leaked here last year in full. I tried spending the last 15-ish minutes trying to find it in the archives but I couldn't

>>150225625
never mind I found it again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEet6WYwYSU

>>150215238
yeah but what drives the OC to become stronger? what's the goal? does its power gets influenced by the attention it grabs? does technique applies into their fighting method? Is there room for "power ups" by improving style or redesign?
I am a fool for monster fighting on your place and the whole friendship is power thing but like, what else?
Pokemon was easy, even the game explains it in simple world, these exist and they fight but you get the implication that trainers must exist in order to control pokemon from going wild in populated areas
YGO is a card game that got too popular worldwide but its roots come from ancient times and more dangerous with items that protects you from going too deep
Digimon are virtual pets that require attention and in return they defend you but also being chosen by one means you unwillingly become part of this fight for the greater good hence why you need to take good care of your monster and bonding is key.

I want to see that in LokiIRL but all im getting is
>heh, this is a reference of that meme shirt, LMAO!

>>150225625
i'm more inclined to believe that this was already a trashed project but needed the right amount of attention and content so people would get this as result instead of the actual MK Ultra experiment

>>150225895
There is a core that the two attempts at a comic established and it can lead to a strong hook if used right
>Girl wants to be a professional animator
>Is shit
>Finds Loki in a drafts collection with no owner
>Takes Loki for her own
>A worldwide tournament starts where the winner gets to showrun their own cartoon
>Animators can support their IRLs via an ink supply
>Girl uses Loki in the tournament to try and achieve her dream
>Loki has a power where the more attention on him the stronger but more unstable he becomes
>Also a cult might be involved

How much of that exists in the pilot I don't know but the basis for something is there, its just up to Pan to see that potential. But also its Pan...
Everything else your concerned about typically doesn't get show or elaborated on till later on into a series.

>>150213828 (OP)
It seems borderline okay. I still don't really get where all of the battle parts come in and it is a bit of a visual mess but I do appreciate what it is going for. I'll give it a watch.
>>150214023
Like other people are saying this isn't that niche a concept. It is just a monster battler. The concept was done almost 1:1 by a PS2 game called Magic Pengel for example.
The issue is more that Pan seemingly has no idea where to take the plot and has been too focused on autistic worldbuilding.
>>150215714
These designs were so odd for what was supposed to be a licensed tie-in. I don't even know who most of these girls are supposed to be. Like the blonde is obviously Cassie or Sonia and Mileena and Jade are fairly obvious but I couldn't tell you which of the blue girls is supposed to be Kitana or who the red chicks are.
Even a hoax should have made an effort to make them look a bit like the characters they were based on if it wanted to be believable.

>>150213828 (OP)
This is just ballmastrz but ugly

>>150216144
Still leagues ahead of me. I'm pretty close to his age and work for a living instead of drawing cartoons like I wanted to do
Should I neck now?

>>150226404
Blonde is Cassie and to the right of the logo is Jaqqui
Then on the top left I think it's
>Scarlet, Frost, Sheeva
and top right is
>Jade, Mileena, Kitana

>>150225198
>>150225247
ken leaving was the beginning of the end

>>150225895
Then I'd suggest watching the pilot for when it comes out because otherwise your complaints would be going off the multiple-times-reworked comic that he's probably reworked one more time for the pilot

>>150226647
And not crazy enough.

>>150215765
I'll never get tired of peanus weenus

>>150220694
Scientifically close to zero.
The possibility was only slightly higher by decimal points when he pitched the cartoon to CN executives.
But since then the market for cartoons pitches from newbies to the scene has completely dried up.
MAYBE this could have been sold to 1999 MTV.

Tell me if you think this can be pitched to a TV executive.
PG-13 Cartoon.
From a stranger with no proven record.
Featuring characters without universal appeal, dated to like 2005 highschool sketchbook.
Pushing an artstyle that is impractical to animate.
Tied to a "showrunner" that has never worked in the industry and has trouble interacting with people.

I have to know since I don't follow dramas and this is the only thread I can ask. Did Pan ever have a daughter?
I remember in one of his lets plays, the Neopet one, I believe, he brought one of his exes, and they talked about how they had a daughter and left her at a supermarket. The entire time, Pan is cracking jokes and being his awkward self, so I couldn't tell if he was serious or not. So did he actually have a daughter and abandoned?

>>150226404
>I don't even know who most of these girls are supposed to be

>>150224823
>I, I, I, I, I
>me, me, me, me, me
I hate therapy so fucking much.

>>150226696
Nah, it's better be alone, than with friends more like parasites like Mango.
I even doubt that Pan has friends. Okay, I'm lying, I remembered that there was a girl on one stream, she was older than him and married, Pan said that they had been chit-chat with each other for a long time. And judging by his voice he was upset that she already had a husband.

>>150227593
The daughter thing was a bit that pan being pan dragged out way to long.

>>150227593
some of you guys fall for Pan's kayfabe way too hard. like sure, he is a pathetic loser, but he plays it up as a character x100 online for some reason (probably to feed into his humiliation kink) people love bringing up the Ruby Gloom let's play, but well, he willingly recorded and posted that on his channel himself. if he didn't want it out there, he wouldn't have posted it. point is, Pan makes up a ton of weird bs and loves making himself seem even more pathetic than he actually is

>>150215714
>what WAS the point of that?
Pan was fixated on lost media and wanted to have something to call his at the time. He has talked about it in past videos on lost media in how fucking dreamt of finding a lost pilot. But because he was an autist who lived in a mancave he couldn't have that, so instead he tried to fake a pilot to call his. But because Pan is an autist he failed to consider how much of a crutch is artstyle and how much it showed through with his fake pilot. As soon as people saw through it he scrapped it and tried to write it off as a ARG thing when in reality he was trying to do make believe with his autistic passion of lost media and was hoping people would bite. That's the problem with Pan, he does not think things through. He messed up the same way when he didn't think through the motiviations of his characters during the adult swim pitch when pressed on it. He figured everything else out but not something as critically important as that for the story.

>>150227795
There is a lot of things Pan makes up, but the Ruby Gloom story I doubt is one of those. The fucker is choking up in video. You can tell when he is kayfabing it as he makes it very obvious half the time.

>>150227900
not saying the story is made up, but i'm tired of people bringing it up every time as some sort of "gotcha" as if he didn't record and post that himself in the first place.

>>150213828 (OP)
Gendo secretly wants it to happen.

>>150227910
I get what you saying anon, but whether you post a video of you shitting yourself or another person posts a video of you shitting yourself does not change the fact you shitted yourself. Regardless of the instances where Pan tries to play into his pathetic aesthetic he genuinely is a meek and pathetic guy socially. When you take him out of a video production setting he is consistent in how he acts. He's an autist, that's where half of it comes from. You can't be that dedicated to the kayfabe to maintain that professionaly and in casual settings.

>>150225895
I saw the pilot preview showcase during one of Pan's streams, there's multiple avenues of strength for IRLs. There is a level of raw level of strength an IRL has but there's also a clear connection with their artist and their level of skill within their medium, IIRC Loki himself has some kind of weird crystal in his body that gives him a power boost but makes him an uncontrollable berserker, it's not a natural part of him but some artifact/tech thing that they either found or got off the Internet.

>>150213828 (OP)
Man that artsyle change is hard to digest.

>>150221235
oh god, what a pro