Thread 150217878

dude cel animation LOL
https://files.catbox.moe/e5hvh3.mp4

Ok

People shouldn't dub memes

>cel shaded look
>isnt cel animation
Why are zooms so attached to cel animation?

>>150217878 (OP)
You said "dude" so now I am convinced that cell animation is dumb, great work

>>150217924
It has a certain visual appeal that digital can't easily replicate, and it'll most likely never be used by a major studio again. If zoomers want to bring the style back then good on them.

>>150218018
Like what? I don't get it.

>>150218049
Are you just pretending to be slow?

>>150217878 (OP)
A poor attempt but at least they got the muted colors right.

>>150218073
Que?

>>150217924
It all clicked in when I realized the boomzoom faggots are 3rd-worlders constantly trying to collect data and trying to figure out what's currently mainstream, despite it never working

>>150218049
>more muted color palettes because the animators were usually limited by the number of paints they physically had in hand, whereas with a computer you can use any color you want whenever you want
>subtle shadows from the cels being physically placed on top of each other
>every frame was painted by hand so there's a noticeable texture that digital usually doesn't have

>>150218018
Simpsons did it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EDUX3x0eMuE&pp=ygUddGhlIHNpbXBzb25zIGJhcnQgdGltZSB0cmF2ZWw%3D

>>150218254
Yeah, they could easily make the Simpsons look closer to the older seasons if they really wanted to, but they just... don't, for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbdK4ThDsdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sp1bMSpg0U

>>150218328
Simpsons even emulated the cel shaded look for a couple of seasons AFTER it went digital, too.

>>150218211
modern spongebob backgrounds are still done traditionally in the modern season, not the line art but they use real paints

What does "cel shaded" mean?

>>150217878 (OP)
>>150218049
Why are you /co/tards all so negative all the damn time? It's not the best attempt at replicating earlier Simpsons or SpongeBob that I've seen but for what it is it's pretty neat. They even got the loose and expressive drawings right, I feel like one issue many attempts to replicate season one cel animated SpongeBob online that I've seen is that they always forget that early seasons SB wasn't always on-model and had plenty of loose drawings and wacky expressions, this video actually got that detail right.

I feel like 90% of /co/ posters never picked up a pencil in their damn life.

>>150217910
honestly it depends on the quality of the performance; here's some prettty good ones as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3GvV2BF-Ag&pp=ygUSbWlsayBhcGUgc3BvbmdlYm9i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFzyVtKnTno

>>150217878 (OP)
I don’t know, I liked it

>>150218588
No. I just hate the nostalgia pandering garbage side of it, that's all.

>>150218018
>If zoomers want to bring the style back then good on them
Okay, but will they actually make it happen? “Want” and “will” are two vastly different things, and I wouldn’t give props to the former since it ultimately achieves nothing

>>150218706
>nostalgia pandering garbage

Or maybe people just want to see how well they can draw and replicate a retro style you fucking retard. This vids made by zoomers who literally never grew up in the cel animated eras of those shows.

>>150218722
Guess it depends on whether or not some richfag decides to fund it like the guys who founded Laika for stop motion

>>150218706
>nostalgia pandering garbage side
maybe flat globohomo shit just doesn't look good

>>150217924
Oldies stuff are cool

>>150218211
It's kind of like the texturing of old comic books, really, everything has more depth than if it was just pure paintbucket fill-in

>>150218694
same, is funny

>>150218386
why not the line art, why would they put in all the effort to paint the thing traditionally but then do the lineart digitally

>>150219026
Would Big Lana

>>150217878 (OP)
That seemed pretty bad to me.

>>150218254
>Marge's voice

>>150218386
Huh, neat. It's like the opposite of Cuphead, where they drew the lines but painted digitally.

>>150217878 (OP)
Imagine being this butthurt that someone can animate and you can't, this doesn't come across any other way.

>>150217878 (OP)
This was good. We are we complaining?

>>150224764
>/co/ - Crying & Complaining

>>150223433
LA LA LA

LA LA LA

>>150219026
That's just low DPI printing. Just like everything people say about cel animation colours stemming from old cameras used to capture the cels. This was never how the artist wanted their work to look

>>150217924
The real thing is a labor intensive process and I'm pretty sure animation cels aren't manufactured on the same scale as they used to be. For example, Ed Edd n Eddy kept going with cels until the supplier for Dan's studio went out of business.
The "look" can clearly be imitated though, though you'll probably not see it used in mainstream cartoons as production budgets are already squeezed thin as it is.

>>150218018
I think out of all of them, EEE did the switch the best.

>>150217924
Same reason we like CRT shit or VHS now. Half of us wasn't raised with it and the low fidelity that comes with either is something new compared to an era of lossless HD animation while the other half of us was raised with it and are nostalgic for it. You also find that colours are more muted and the outlines blend into the scene more with drawn cel animation, and due to it being labour intensive the way cell animation is directed scene to scene is different from digital. It's subtle, but it's enough for some autists to latch onto and fixate on as a preference. If I recall correctly there is a scene right now collecting old DVDs and VHS copies of cartoons as new studio re-releases are starting to "upscale" old cartoon seasons instead of the original cel look now.

I can't tell if that Gundam Wing anniversary short was cel animated or not, but if they can replicate it to that degree with processing now, I'd bet other studios are looking into bringing back the aesthetic.

>>150228258
EEnE only switched to digital in the first place because the company supplying their paints for cel animation went out of business, so they really tried their hardest to emulate the look of the older seasons. The show was definitely starting to run out of gas by then and I'm glad it ended when it did, but the animators were still firing on all cylinders.

>>150218211
I don't understand why more shows don't just fake it.

>>150230154
Too much effort and not enough financial gain
There's a Gundam gacha game(of all things) with cut scenes that come really close

>>150217878 (OP)
Decent Squidwart impression

>>150217878 (OP)
Pretty funny

>>150230154
Its actually pretty hard to do. The more subtle a touch is the more work it usually takes. AI actually has the potential to take digital animation and make it look like cell animation, maybe

>>150223433
Her voice actor's in her mid-70s at this point

I like it I just hate that a lot of them are retarded autistic zoomzooms that didn't actually grow up with it that probably think they're older and wiser than the average adult

>>150230102
Some people think the animation benefitted from the switch. I do personally agree that the school season had the most expression to its animation

>>150233534
Not an excuse. A job is a job, and she's bad at it now.

>>150232406
>The more subtle a touch is the more work it usually takes. AI actually has the potential to take digital animation and make it look like cell animation
Only a retard genuinely believes this. It can't even do animation in general, and it's only getting worse as time goes on.

>>150234722
It did but it doesn't change that the setting itself limited things heavily. Plus the muted colors of the original cel animation sold the vibe

>>150217878 (OP)
I don't remember this SpongeBob episode...

>>150217878 (OP)
Oh my Neptune they were roommates

>>150237307
surely you could just make closed models only trained on specific data to undo the whole "ai incest" problem, though?

>>150238992
No, because all current AI models are trained off the same base dataset to function. You need way, WAY more data than any one company could possible own for these things to work at all. Not even Disney has enough content for it. AI incest is inevitable, especially when so much of the internet keeps getting flooded with slop and it's now impossible to filter out the clean data.

Also a fundamental reason AI is incompatible with AI is because animation values consistency, something AI models are both notoriously terrible at and have never shown any signs of improving.

>>150236026
She gets paid millions of dollars a year just to talk into a mic for a couple of hours. I'd keep doing it until I was 100 if I were her.

>>150228437
I'd love to find some 35 mm scans of old Disney films, especially ones from the 60s and 70s because all the "remasters" have completely fucked them up.

>>150217878 (OP)
How funny.

>>150238967
Neptune himself engaged in homosexual relationships so

>>150245045
The best myth about Neptune/Poseidon was the time he saw a twink sunning his buns on the beach and ran up out of the water and buggered him

>>150227891
Except some of those old comics were drawn with the low DPI in mind. I can't find the picture but it's similar to how game developers used CRTs for blending.

>>150241807
She probably has enough money to be set for three lifetimes already.

>>150217878 (OP)
Have you all tried cel animation before?

>>150249356
No, sounds too time-consuming for my liking

>>150218018
>3rd example
why did they switch to digital for the last few johto eps anyway? it would've made more sense to wait until the hoenn episodes started to change from cels to digital

>>150217888
First post based post.

>>150217878 (OP)
What is cel animation?

>>150217878 (OP)
>dude cel animation LOL
What about it?

>>150217924
To be fair, with the advent of AI, you can cel shade anything. Eventually.

>>150217878 (OP)
Dude is animation, yo.

>>150251345
Digital ink and paint takes so much less time, effort, and money than cels. I can't blame them for not wanting to wait.

>>150251345
Most of the Hoenn-era movies actually did use cels even after the show made the switch.

>>150217924
How can they?

>>150252952
Heard.

>>150217878 (OP)
>dude cel animation LOL
>>150217924
>Why are zooms so attached to cel animation?
Yeah their pretty awesome.

>>150237318
S11E05

>>150254834
How can they what?

>>150228437
Bart looks so handsome in his suit

>>150218254
>trump is president
trump wasn't hated back then, he wasn;t adored by many but the status quo was just indifferent about him

>>150253221
iirc jirachi was their last time movies they used cel, no?

>>150220980
>Background
>only have to paint it once
>Characters on top of the background
>Have to draw them a bajillion times

>>150218174
Temari sexo.

>>150253221
Yo thats cool I didnt know Brendan even appeared at all in the anime verse
I thought the male mcs just got erased by Ash existing

>>150259000
Gold and Kris appeared in the anime a few times iirc

>>150218018
the only way to truly replicate it in digital would be to do the backgrounds in the traditional way, digitize them and just animate the characters over them in digital. if you want the "shadow" the paints of the cel would cast they can try but I'm sure that the main appeal is that the backgrounds are made of oil or watercolors in a real canvas and not fancy brushes in an app

>>150258971
I'm not talking about the characters, I'm talking about the backgrounds. I don't know if you know this, anon, but the backgrounds in Spongebob have line art on them. They have those squiggly, uneven lines that denote the forms on background elements to make them stand out from each other. They don't animate these backgrounds most of the time so they only ever have to draw the line art once per shot.

Call them cel-cels. Now give me one gorillion (you)'s and a KYM page for coining that brilliant term faggot.