Thread 150230048

The Disney acting in the newer seasons is lame, since NuSimpsons has a higher budget they should just animate like this.

>>150230048 (OP)
I miss both that and how dynamic/cinematic both the lighting and camera angles could be. There were moments where it could feel like an actual animated movie, even if it only lasted a few seconds. The zoom-out before Homer strangles Burns in part 1 of Who Shot Mr. Burns always stood out to me as combining all three of those elements.

>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
They lost their (slave)cheap labor and things got too costly to make anymore, it's why the new KotH isn't as well made too.

That's where all the issues hit, for about 30ish year the global world had a functioning under class they could feed peanuts and get spectacular results.

>>150230048 (OP)
They can't *just* animate like that. The show only exists to make profit for Disney, so it will never have good animation again. Good animation doesn't come from nowhere. Give credit to David Silverman for his work

>>150230092
I thought that most of the better-animated bits from the Simpsons were actually animated in-house.

>>150230070
Comparing the Bartman and Deep Deep Trouble music videos to that shitty Disney Plus musical video is a visual night and day difference.

>>150230048 (OP)
It seems to be a problem for adult-animated longrunners in general to become less cartoony/stylized over the years and lean more into realism

>>150230092
The Simpsons doesn't have a low budget these days like other shows, far from it in fact, it has a high budget these days cause of how profitable it is, the animation was stiff as fuck for like most of the show but then when Disney bought them they started including Disney acting in the episodes, no other show includes Disney acting, it's the same reason NuSB is the only show with Ren & Stimpy animation, and these longrunners are still animated by Rough Draft Korea unlike most newer shows. They aren't giving those kinds of budgets to stuff like NuKOTH cause companies are too afraid to take risks these days.

>>150230070
>>150230381
These kinds of shots just won't look as charming with the newer seasons realistic backgrounds

Matt Groening wants everything on-model. Executives want everything on-model. They don't care about expression or good animation. They just want to save money.

>>150231155
I'll always dream of a timeline where Sam Simon had more say in how The Simpsons would transition from shorts to series...

13 seconds of pure quality that took them hundreds, of pages to do.

13 seconds of pure, quality animation that took them hundreds, thousands maybe, of pages to do.

>>150231155
In the earlier seasons Groening wanted pushed expressions and cartoony movements to be at the absolute minimum, there's a good video going over this called the Simpsons "no no sheets" or something like that. The older seasons looked far more visually appealing, but I guess even the occasional expressions were too much.

>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
>>150231742
Simpsonsuga

>>150231742
Some Enchanted Evening was originally gonna be the first Simpsons episode to air but it was delayed because what the overseas studio sent over was deemed too cartoony by Groening, this one scene is the only smoothly animated remnant of the original version.

The Simpsons was a fucking mistake cause it paved the way for shows like Phineas & Ferb and Gravity Falls that have zero wacky expressions or cartoony movements.

>>150233072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx-wjF5AMmk

>>150232936
I know that sakugabooru has a “western” tag but I’m surprised that there’s no western equivalent to the site in general

>>150230129
that is still mostly the case, it's the same on Family Guy as well. if you saw good hand drawn animation on Simpsons, it was usually David Silverman. he was animating the characters with Brad Bird, Bill Kopp, Wes Archer (correct me if im wrong, this is from memory) and some others when it was on the Tracy Ullman show

>>150230048 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbL4U-TUZU

>>150235704
>this animator is now working on the actual show
You love to see it

>>150230373
Most of that budget goes to paying off the voice actors' absurd salaries, not the actual production.

>>150230381
I don't remember this but I remember the toy island sending a rocket out of the car

>>150233072
>>150233126
>this looks too good and we've already had it animated sooo we want you to redo it to look shit
Unfortunately the do over is still high quality compared to season 5 onward Simpsons.
I like how the lipstick on the door is still in the final version.

>>150230373
Something I've found interesting
The 60s Hanna-Barbera shows or some of the Terrytoons were made on a quarter of the budget of even NuKOTH, but they have much more entertaining and appealing poses, expressions, etc
NuKOTH might be a bad example as it wasn't intended to be a cartoony show, so maybe Simps or FG are better examples
FG looks cheap and stiff as hell but I would personally blame the boarders and layout artists over the Korean slaves for not pushing for better poses in the production phase

>>150237613
Well they cheated quite a bit by heavily reusing old animations. It's like how in Scooby Doo, whenever there was a running sequence, they ALWAYS reused the same animations. Every HB show had heavily recycled animations and backgrounds. This is why they were occasionally able to use slightly more dynamic animations and shit. They saved so much time and money via recycling old shit that they were sometimes able to do slightly interesting things as well. And then if the opportunity came up, they'd reuse that too.

>>150237613
>>150237824
HB was run by people as smart as they were cheap.

>>150234148
they've been animated in Korea since 1989

>An adult animated sitcom used to have moments of genuinely impressive animation and real cinematographic principles applied to it
God watching those classic seasons pisses me off now sometimes because it's almost jarring to realize how

>>150240451
...much things have gotten worse. Don't understand how the rest of my post got eaten.

>>150240264
>>150240294
The animation isn't even that expressive yet they still manage to have visual appeal in it by good staging and colors, you don't see that shit in the newer seasons

I did NOT appreciate the level of artistry that went into some of these scenes as a kid, holy shit.

>>150240992
It feels like a recent thing. I know people posted the webm comparing Marge in the classic and HD opening, but the writing was the first and foremost thing people criticize when it comes to pointing out the decline. Nowadays, it feels like people are pointing out the effort and quality of of the animation compared to the HD and Disney+ seasons.

>>150230048 (OP)
That looks painful..

>>150230110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mmCaI4LJ0

Again going back to the importance of good expressions and posing over fluid animation>>150237613
I always liked this shot in Black Widower, suppose it's a little out of character for Sideshow Bob but it's funny
They stopped doing these funny expressions around maybe the Oakley era? Maybe earlier? Correct me if I'm wrong
The episodes were still funny for a couple more seasons but it started to feel like they were "too good to be a cartoon"

>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230048 (OP)
They still do have moments of exaggerated animation.
https://x.com/animatedminus/status/1592606544205860865/video/2

>>150243690
I will say, HD Zombie Simpsons is probably the best animated show of its' kind right now

Of course I'm damning it with faint praise considering its' competition is shows where the only animation is the characters moving their arms while talking

>>150243817
Just like how HD Zombie SpongeBob is the best-looking kids show on tv right now

It's the longrunners that get the special treatment

>>150243690
not bad

>>150240264
Black Widower is stylish as fuck. I love the wedding scene when the lighting shifts and Bob has the skull face.

>>150230048 (OP)
We miss it too, dawg.

Most of the early Simpsons commercials for tie-in products had nice, expressive animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-7BPr4uSw

>>150249637
It's... so beautiful

>>150243690
forced animation

>>150230048 (OP)
Its too expensive

>>150240921
Nevermore

>>150230048 (OP)
S11E5

>>150239127
What's funny is everbody hated that Hanna Barbera Popeye show (the one before Popeye and Son), but looking back on it, the animation actually wasn't terrible.

>>150240979
I always loved this scene because the lighting was amazing and it used dramatic perspective for a good joke

>>150230095
>The show only exists to make profit for Disney
I don't think it's made any kind of profit in decades at this point.

>>150231742
>thousands of pages
Well, even if it was animated one 1s it would only be about 300 frames.

>>150252141
But the voice cast isn't?

>>150252141
How did they managed to pay all that.?

>>150235704
you skipped Pikachu (1997-2000)
also, Minions were popular in 2010, not 2009

>>150233451
Because DEI animators in the west dont have the work ethic to do real animation

>>150237613
most of the animation in the Golden Age of animation in the 50s and 60s were much cheaper once UPA won over the industry with its limited animation skills, which compared to Disney, WB and MGM (the latter was already closing its doors later on in the 50s), leaving expressive animation to be obsolete by that point. Even studios like Famous (including Harveytoons, best known for their Casper shorts), Terrytoons and the newly-formed H-B were dipping their toes to limited animation to cut their budget.

This is like what animation is right now from 2010s onward where your standard animation has to be done cheaper in Flash and outsourced in Korean territories. It's not just Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, American Dad or hell, Nu-KoTH even (despite the latter still having to have flash based from the previous, now defunct studio from the previous season). I mean, shit like Bento Box is a studio done way too stiff and cheaply for their adult animated shows and their pays aren't really that decent

>>150254788
shuffling money around in the nepotistic shithole named hollywood is never too expensive

>>150254887
Yo, how could it?

>>150249637
HOLY SOVL

>>150252718
idgi

>>150252773
did they also hate working on the Casper in Space show?

>>150240921
the animation of Lisa walking in the air is cute

the amount of soullessness in the Shitsons since 2000, specially since 2007,is so huge and awful it hurts

>>150230255
Man, for real right suck major balls, is even disgusting to look at, as much as modern simpsons.

>>150243009
>>150242489

>>150257303
Classic Era South Park had such a neat charm to it, everything was crudely designed, it was made to look like it was stop motion, looks far more visually appealing than the current seasons.

>>150258360
>>150230255
Less Is More

>>150259565
No cartoon should ever run for more than 10 seasons.

>>150260248
IMO South Parks shift in quality began to happen around season 17 when they cut seasons down from 14 episodes to 10

>>150260367
>shorter seasons
Never a good sign desu

>>150259565
I kinda like both to be honest.

>>150261300
I hate this character so so very much..

>>150262101
no u dont

>>150230048 (OP)
It baffling how they never do this now, when you put it that way.

>>150230110
Amazing.

>>150258360
>>150259565
SP managed to jump the shark even harder than the Shitsons. Everything in that horrible show is extra level soullessness and nothing but a walking corpse and everything that its former self made fun of. I wish an extremely slow and painful death to both Parker and Stone

>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
>>150230110
>>150230381
>>150231742
soul

>>150269097
haw haw

>>150263187
why he's honest and stands up for what he believes in.
what do you hate about him?

>>150269097
the kicking in the second panel is pointless in this edition

>>150241038
That "Look at me, I'm Davy Crockett!" moment was permanently stuck in my head when I was growing up.

>>150230048 (OP)
Why did we lost to this?

>>150267004
their time will come. They will be sorry

>>150270684
That's just his power stance

>>150270684
that's part of what makes it funny.

>>150270684
It's how he got the corn flakes and milk, he just kicked the aisle and they fell into his hands, note that they're empty in the first panel
>But anon milk isn't in the-
Rule of cool, someone left a carton there on accident for some reason

>>150231155
>>150232896
Groening used to care about the artistic side of The Simpsons, the earlier seasons were aiming for a more stylized look with their backgrounds and mildly wacky animation, but as time went on the artistic side of the Simpsons became a bit more of an afterthought, and this would continue to be the case with Groenings other works like Futurama.

>>150230048 (OP)
Surprised no one posted the end credits from the New York episode, the rotoscopied bridge is impressive

Someone post it

>>150241037
I think that's because lots of cartoons used to have moments like this in the 90s so it didn't feel that unique. Now the Simpsons is the biggest thing from that era people remember so they're going back and after so many years of mediocre animation they're seeing these scenes and going "holy fuck this was actually pretty neat".

>>150273208
>Episode ends on a cinematic zoom-out shot of the family traveling in their car with Frank Sinatra playing
>Next episode is The Principal and the Pauper
This really does feel like one of the potential "finale" points of the show.

>>150271877
Things just weren't the same after Bird left...

>>150274251
yea

>>150256196
Homer can get away with murdering an angry mob with a pop rox explosion but gets in trouble for allegedly touching the babysitters ass.

>>150273235
I lovw this drem sequened.

>>150273249
>The Principal and the Pauper

>>150275407
yea?

>>150240294
Intentionally bumping a light for no reason other than atmosphere is the mark of animators who give a shit

I miss when Bartholomew's hair spikes swayed with his head movements. That secondary motion added so much

>>150240992
Same. I realized it recently when I came across the intro from Babar. I wonder if we were too young to appreciate things such as a good craft or if we were surrounded by so much good stuff that we considered it the baseline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmRC0MKmBH0

>>150240992
>>150280024
It's a really great show to revisit just to admire the visuals. David Silverman and all other artists involved were bringing their A-game

How does The Simpsons animation become stiff when there’s a goddamn wild take in the intro? Which I’ll mind you is literally one of the most iconic intros of all time

>>150280024
I think it's just that we were surrounded, stuff like this is almost jarring to watch today because of how used I am to just seeing shitty animation in kids shows. Another one that kind of blew my mind recently was Courage, I never realized how fucking smooth the animation consistently was until I rewatched it a few months ago.

>>150276679
Goin to far will make it like the Oda curse

Any S1 enjoyers?

>>150280024
>>150280517
The late 90s to early 00s were just objectively the pinnacle of TV animation, we didn't realize how good we had it until it was gone. Yeah there was some shit, every era has some shit, but the good shit was REALLY good.

>>150280809
>late 90s
Late 80s*, that's a typo if there ever was one lol.

>>150259565
>>150258360
why?? why can't these hypocritical sellout fucks not suffer extremely slow and painful deaths already?? Even Seth Rogan is less hateful than them now

>>150230048 (OP)
Homie looks so distinguished with that tie on, wouldn't you say?

>>150259565
As you can clearly see the horrors of global warming turned a beautiful small pond into large with foreign pines displacing the native trees and invasive weeds have overgrown the once clear fields. The beautiful Cardinals have been displace by the more aggressive ducks.

>>150280768
Meeee

>>150281100
IMO I’m not too big on the HD remasters, sure on one hand it’s impressive for a show to go back to the exact files that animated the old episodes on and remaster them to widescreen while adding some retroactive edits here and there but on the other hand it kills the illusion that the old episodes are supposed to look like they’re stop motion.

>>150283963
I think the real-life pictures of actors/celebrities look a lot more jarring and funny in HD but I definitely see your point. I'll have to try out the DVDs again some time.

Sorry, to get back on the original topic...

>>150230070
This is a subtle one I always liked.

Sometimes the current show will have a moment of really fluid animation. But not for anything important, just, like, the family talking in the kitchen.

>>150230048 (OP)
>The Disney acting in the newer seasons is lame, since NuSimpsons has a higher budget they should just animate like this.
Think it's just cause the animation still doesn't have that many weeks,but i'm sure we'll get more poc characters soon enough

>>150240979
I don't remember bart shooting a gun at someone

How to Get Ahead in Dead-Vertising

>>150240264
I remember as a kid thinking selma just had massive, MASSIVE logs behind her

>>150230070
>>150230381
>>150240921
Imagine if they hadn't tossed the film reels, we could see this full of soul animation in much better quality.

>>150230048 (OP)
You miss it all.

>>150254788
>the t in mr t stands for turd

Reminder that Marge is over 8 feet tall

>>150290296
What a tall glass of water...

>>150287845
This goes hard, I didn't even understand the reference on the first watch

>>150230048 (OP)
Same

>>150290296
Apu was so much of an asshole in this episode ot hurts.

>>150230110
>no goyslop makes me go crazy

>>150293519
He's a bloody bastard aaar

>>150281100
lol

>>150280768
I very much enjoy it!

>>150295516
idgi

>>150273176
This just made me sad we didn't get a cel-animated Simpsons movie back in the '90s

>>150296544
Simpsons Movie still looked fantastic, so I don't understand how you can feel slighted.

>>150271615
Lol I dunno

>>150243009
This from one of the music videos, right?

>>150299421
Yup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF-DVr74eVQ

>>150299578
This video alone just shows how much The Simpsons cared about their visuals during the golden age.

>>150300259
>cuphead.gif

>>150272927
That moment when shit gets real and the world suddenly turns into German expressionism

>>150297149
>Simpsons Movie still looked fantastic
moron

>>150280809
We're living in the golden age of tv animation right now.

>>150273176
the early seasons are good at this, but especially 2. It was the point before the show was willing to settle into being an "animated family sitcom". They tried a lot of actual drama and clever cinematography that you'd just never seen in TV animation in the west before.

>>150300923
Retard, the most popular cartoons of this decade are based on preexisting IPs, original IPs are left to dry, 90% of cartoons are cheap shit like beanmouth junk and Family Guy ripoffs, many animators can’t find jobs and are treated like shit, cartoons are oversanitized and executives are barely giving creators any artistic freedom, all new shows are dropping dead after one season, streaming is visibly damaging cartoons, this is worst moment in animation history in the 80’s.

>>150300985
S2 and 3 are probably my favorites in the series ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)

>>150300448
not that anon, but the animation in the Simpsons movie still looked better than the new crap, but still not as close as visually spectacular as back in the early-to-mid-90s

>>150300923
>Posts still shots when discussing animation
>Posts flat camera angles when discussing dynamic ones
Compelling. You sure showed this thread.

The interior of the TV being backlit kinda goes hard

>>150301530
epic

>>150300923
Common Side Effects deserved that Emmy

>>150300923
Arcane is a massive outlier, more of a movie series than anything else.

>>150240979
SEE YOU IN HELL PUNK
AHHH-

Act II: Death Drives a Stick

SEE YOU IN HELL PUNK
AHHH-

>>150270791
>Wanna know how Davey Crockett reaaally died at the Alamo? You must be 18!

I DO

>>150272969
Dad, was that your commercial?

>>150272980
this one gave me a scare as a kid

>>150293542
fucking obsessed

>>150305194
godly atmosphere

>>150273176
Not a fancy ending animation wise but another favorite ending of mine with Martin

OW
WATCH IT, CONEY

>>150252718
>man I can't stop sucking all these dicks like the huge faggot I am

>>150305313
Bitchin'!

>>150230381
>right leg becomes left leg

>>150281128
Steady the fuck on

>>150300923
Hahaha good joke

>>150243690
Finally

>>150270648
idk who thought it was a good idea to dump Luanne with a burnout dropout stupid yokel, but thats the end of it? a shitty childhood in a trailer that picks up once she moves in with Hank and Peggy only to end up marrying a 'nice' white trash redneck? Just depressing man, Luanne probably ended up like the mom from whats eating gilbert grape

>>150307350
bad ass

>>150272960
It's a pity earlier Simpsons never parodied Mortal Kombat.

>>150308075
they did
Bonestorm

>>150307954
It's almost $200,000 in today's money. Still waiting for some mad billionaire to sell something like this as a joke

>>150307350
>Just a straight up adventure episode about lost Nazi treasure in the middle of the season
This episode was always so neat to me, feels almost like a lost Tintin comic or something.

>>150241004
Holy FUARK Monty is strong.

Imagine the old Simpsons did sex scenes. This level of artistry, this lighting, cinematography and animation with some actual nudity and those animated characters fucking would destroy the television.

>>150308356
I always loved the moments when they made references to WWII. Because the show was made when the war was 40 years ago and not 80, the writers had a certain perspective of it that can't really be replicated today

>>150308500
Hnnnnnghh

>>150307954
Still love that that car is the best one in Hit and Run.

>>150309360
More of a Krabappel guy but

D'oh!

Its painful to watch these knowing what the show is now.

>>150310634
>>150243690

I dont really dislike earlier Lisa, she was quite a bit like Homer even as she tried pulling away as far from him, ik Lisa the vegetarian was the start of the whole character derailment we've nowadays but this episode is entirely great, no joke falls flat, even the ending goes from a greatlooking and heartwarming sunset scene to the fucking pig flying in the background, its constantly hilarious
https://youtu.be/8PZEC5Bga4U

>>150311388
Would you consider this normal behaviour from a middle-aged man?

>>150311449
Tldr?

>>150311388
Homer and Lisa, and Marge and Bart are natural fits for the most emotional relationships to explore

I think watching the episode where Bart works at the burlesque house as a kid is what kickstarted my /ss/ and hag fetish

>>150311802
Are you wearing a grocery bag?

>>150311449
Based Tracey Ullman appreciator

>>150311057
It looks so flat and smooth, the lighting and shadows might as well not exist.

>>150311802
my fave was the "point after touchdown" woman

>>150243690
>>150311057
Something that really bothers me about this animation when you compare it to how the show used to look is how disjointed it looks, every time is a character doing big exaggerated motions always, always, ALWAYS on model while everyone else is completely still or doing those minimal and robotic changes in posture(focus on marge oin that baby lisa clip, you can almost hear the actuators whenever she changes expressions) always using that flat framing format

>>150313290
They indeed move like automatons

>>150230048 (OP)
yeah I miss it too

>>150290296
And Homer is 6 foot. She likes her men shorter than her I guess.

>>150273176
>>150273208
>>150240844
I'm gonna watch early Simpsons now holy fuck so kino comfy.

>>150314714
The colours in those early seasons just hit different

>>150305194
I love night time Simpsons so much

>>150305194
I've never seen these pay tvs before

>>150313290
The reason the animation looks like that is because Disney animators are regulated to the Simpsons mines for eternity, they are to NuSimpsons what Spumco guys are to NuSpongeBob, you an animator who wants to work in one of those styles? Well you have no choice but to utilize your talents on a zombie show, god forbid a new show releases with that style

that’s the state of the animation industry these days.

>>150314787
2000's Simpsons forgot about this 1 simple trick.
https://files.catbox.moe/wxg4ut.webm

>>150316110
Thanks for sharing

>>150232896
>>150231742
Matt straight up said he used Rocky and Bullwinkle as a model for how the show should approach animation quality
https://youtu.be/LnVy8rWr5hI?t=308

>>150314787
Feels like Mission Hill colors now that I think about

>>150318118
-it

>>150317408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Bird
>Bird's cinematic sense of visual storytelling with Family Dog was uncommon in television animation to that point, mainly due to budgetary restrictions. Most television productions retained rudimentary cinematography, with frequent abuse of standard close-ups, medium angles, and establishing shots to move the story along. In contrast, Bird favored using more filmic techniques, using extreme angles, long panning shots, quick camera cuts, pushed perspective, and so on. Bird's work on Family Dog caught the eye of producers James L. Brooks and Sam Simon, who with Matt Groening were developing The Simpsons, the first prime time animated sitcom in decades for Fox. In 1989, Bird was invited to join Klasky Csupo (and later Film Roman), where he served as "executive consultant" for the show. The role required Bird oversee the script-to-animation pipeline 2–3 days per week;[8] the first episode produced on which Bird received credit (save for the reworked cut of the pilot episode "Some Enchanted Evening") was "There's No Disgrace Like Home".

One of the reasons why The Simpsons looked the way it did it because it was overseen by a guy that had a film and disney background. Even though animation on TV is limited, they found practical ways to make it hit harder.

>>150280768
sure

>>150280433
Cartoon intros are known to be better animated than the actual episodes. Not the strongest argument you got there.

>>150318118
>>150308313

>>150293519
When you look at the early half of the classic era, Apu was kind of a jerk almost any time he appeared.

>>150300923
>Arcane
That show was an anomaly. Not representative of the current state of tv animation at all.

>>150308423
Lol that's how you KNOW it's a non-canon ToH segment

why are they yellow

>>150300923
This is video game industry funded.

>>150305062
>>150323161
>>150324860
Just say you're bitter losers and move along xd

>>150308356
Don't forget
>Is legitimately a better action/adventure episode than most adventure shows despite being from the funny cowabunga donut show

>>150230048 (OP)
Poor Homer. Is he gonna be alright?

>>150326295
Is you gonna be alright?

>>150326713
That's very cromulent grammar.

>>150305194
Fucking sublime, what episode?

>>150327519
Like Father, Like Clown, S3E6

>>150327581
Thank you, Anon

>>150327519
fake fan if you can't recognize that