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Anonymous No.150230048 >>150230070 >>150230092 >>150230095 >>150230110 >>150230255 >>150232936 >>150235704 >>150242489 >>150243690 >>150243690 >>150249530 >>150252141 >>150252718 >>150265532 >>150268433 >>150271615
I miss when Simpsons had occasional moments of exaggerated animation
The Disney acting in the newer seasons is lame, since NuSimpsons has a higher budget they should just animate like this.
Anonymous No.150230070 >>150230092 >>150230236 >>150230381 >>150230800 >>150232936 >>150268433
>>150230048 (OP)
I miss both that and how dynamic/cinematic both the lighting and camera angles could be. There were moments where it could feel like an actual animated movie, even if it only lasted a few seconds. The zoom-out before Homer strangles Burns in part 1 of Who Shot Mr. Burns always stood out to me as combining all three of those elements.
Anonymous No.150230092 >>150230129 >>150230373
>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
They lost their (slave)cheap labor and things got too costly to make anymore, it's why the new KotH isn't as well made too.

That's where all the issues hit, for about 30ish year the global world had a functioning under class they could feed peanuts and get spectacular results.
Anonymous No.150230095 >>150253114
>>150230048 (OP)
They can't *just* animate like that. The show only exists to make profit for Disney, so it will never have good animation again. Good animation doesn't come from nowhere. Give credit to David Silverman for his work
Anonymous No.150230110 >>150242837 >>150266825 >>150268433
>>150230048 (OP)
Anonymous No.150230129 >>150234148
>>150230092
I thought that most of the better-animated bits from the Simpsons were actually animated in-house.
Anonymous No.150230236
>>150230070
Comparing the Bartman and Deep Deep Trouble music videos to that shitty Disney Plus musical video is a visual night and day difference.
Anonymous No.150230255 >>150257303 >>150259565
>>150230048 (OP)
It seems to be a problem for adult-animated longrunners in general to become less cartoony/stylized over the years and lean more into realism
Anonymous No.150230373 >>150236961 >>150237613
>>150230092
The Simpsons doesn't have a low budget these days like other shows, far from it in fact, it has a high budget these days cause of how profitable it is, the animation was stiff as fuck for like most of the show but then when Disney bought them they started including Disney acting in the episodes, no other show includes Disney acting, it's the same reason NuSB is the only show with Ren & Stimpy animation, and these longrunners are still animated by Rough Draft Korea unlike most newer shows. They aren't giving those kinds of budgets to stuff like NuKOTH cause companies are too afraid to take risks these days.
Anonymous No.150230381 >>150230800 >>150237265 >>150268433
>>150230070
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>>150230070
>>150230381
These kinds of shots just won't look as charming with the newer seasons realistic backgrounds
Anonymous No.150231155 >>150231576 >>150232896
Matt Groening wants everything on-model. Executives want everything on-model. They don't care about expression or good animation. They just want to save money.
Anonyrnous No.150231576
>>150231155
I'll always dream of a timeline where Sam Simon had more say in how The Simpsons would transition from shorts to series...
Anonymous No.150231712
13 seconds of pure quality that took them hundreds, of pages to do.
Anonymous No.150231742 >>150232936 >>150233072 >>150253142 >>150268433
13 seconds of pure, quality animation that took them hundreds, thousands maybe, of pages to do.
Anonymous No.150232896
>>150231155
In the earlier seasons Groening wanted pushed expressions and cartoony movements to be at the absolute minimum, there's a good video going over this called the Simpsons "no no sheets" or something like that. The older seasons looked far more visually appealing, but I guess even the occasional expressions were too much.
Anonymous No.150232936 >>150233451
>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
>>150231742
Simpsonsuga
Anonymous No.150233072 >>150233126 >>150237341
>>150231742
Some Enchanted Evening was originally gonna be the first Simpsons episode to air but it was delayed because what the overseas studio sent over was deemed too cartoony by Groening, this one scene is the only smoothly animated remnant of the original version.

The Simpsons was a fucking mistake cause it paved the way for shows like Phineas & Ferb and Gravity Falls that have zero wacky expressions or cartoony movements.
Anonymous No.150233126 >>150237341
>>150233072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx-wjF5AMmk
Anonymous No.150233451 >>150254887
>>150232936
I know that sakugabooru has a β€œwestern” tag but I’m surprised that there’s no western equivalent to the site in general
Anonymous No.150234148 >>150239574
>>150230129
that is still mostly the case, it's the same on Family Guy as well. if you saw good hand drawn animation on Simpsons, it was usually David Silverman. he was animating the characters with Brad Bird, Bill Kopp, Wes Archer (correct me if im wrong, this is from memory) and some others when it was on the Tracy Ullman show
Anonymous No.150235704 >>150236910 >>150254859
>>150230048 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbL4U-TUZU
Anonymous No.150236910
>>150235704
>this animator is now working on the actual show
You love to see it
Anonymous No.150236961
>>150230373
Most of that budget goes to paying off the voice actors' absurd salaries, not the actual production.
Anonymous No.150237265
>>150230381
I don't remember this but I remember the toy island sending a rocket out of the car
Anonymous No.150237341
>>150233072
>>150233126
>this looks too good and we've already had it animated sooo we want you to redo it to look shit
Unfortunately the do over is still high quality compared to season 5 onward Simpsons.
I like how the lipstick on the door is still in the final version.
Anonymous No.150237613 >>150237824 >>150239127 >>150243536 >>150254988
>>150230373
Something I've found interesting
The 60s Hanna-Barbera shows or some of the Terrytoons were made on a quarter of the budget of even NuKOTH, but they have much more entertaining and appealing poses, expressions, etc
NuKOTH might be a bad example as it wasn't intended to be a cartoony show, so maybe Simps or FG are better examples
FG looks cheap and stiff as hell but I would personally blame the boarders and layout artists over the Korean slaves for not pushing for better poses in the production phase
Anonymous No.150237824 >>150239127
>>150237613
Well they cheated quite a bit by heavily reusing old animations. It's like how in Scooby Doo, whenever there was a running sequence, they ALWAYS reused the same animations. Every HB show had heavily recycled animations and backgrounds. This is why they were occasionally able to use slightly more dynamic animations and shit. They saved so much time and money via recycling old shit that they were sometimes able to do slightly interesting things as well. And then if the opportunity came up, they'd reuse that too.
Anonymous No.150239127 >>150252773
>>150237613
>>150237824
HB was run by people as smart as they were cheap.
Anonymous No.150239574
>>150234148
they've been animated in Korea since 1989
Anonymous No.150240264 >>150240727 >>150246156
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Anonymous No.150240451 >>150240482
>An adult animated sitcom used to have moments of genuinely impressive animation and real cinematographic principles applied to it
God watching those classic seasons pisses me off now sometimes because it's almost jarring to realize how
Anonymous No.150240482
>>150240451
...much things have gotten worse. Don't understand how the rest of my post got eaten.
Anonymous No.150240727
>>150240264
>>150240294
The animation isn't even that expressive yet they still manage to have visual appeal in it by good staging and colors, you don't see that shit in the newer seasons
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Anonymous No.150240992 >>150241037
I did NOT appreciate the level of artistry that went into some of these scenes as a kid, holy shit.
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>>150240992
It feels like a recent thing. I know people posted the webm comparing Marge in the classic and HD opening, but the writing was the first and foremost thing people criticize when it comes to pointing out the decline. Nowadays, it feels like people are pointing out the effort and quality of of the animation compared to the HD and Disney+ seasons.
Anonymous No.150241038 >>150270791
Anonymous No.150242489 >>150257865
>>150230048 (OP)
That looks painful..
Anonymous No.150242837
>>150230110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mmCaI4LJ0
Anonymous No.150243009 >>150257865
Anonymous No.150243536
Again going back to the importance of good expressions and posing over fluid animation>>150237613
I always liked this shot in Black Widower, suppose it's a little out of character for Sideshow Bob but it's funny
They stopped doing these funny expressions around maybe the Oakley era? Maybe earlier? Correct me if I'm wrong
The episodes were still funny for a couple more seasons but it started to feel like they were "too good to be a cartoon"
Anonymous No.150243690 >>150243817 >>150245876 >>150250993
>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230048 (OP)
They still do have moments of exaggerated animation.
https://x.com/animatedminus/status/1592606544205860865/video/2
Anonymous No.150243817 >>150244823
>>150243690
I will say, HD Zombie Simpsons is probably the best animated show of its' kind right now

Of course I'm damning it with faint praise considering its' competition is shows where the only animation is the characters moving their arms while talking
Anonymous No.150244823
>>150243817
Just like how HD Zombie SpongeBob is the best-looking kids show on tv right now

It's the longrunners that get the special treatment
Anonymous No.150245876
>>150243690
not bad
Anonymous No.150246156
>>150240264
Black Widower is stylish as fuck. I love the wedding scene when the lighting shifts and Bob has the skull face.
Anonymous No.150249530
>>150230048 (OP)
We miss it too, dawg.
Anonymous No.150249637 >>150250256 >>150255730
Most of the early Simpsons commercials for tie-in products had nice, expressive animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z-7BPr4uSw
Anonymous No.150250256
>>150249637
It's... so beautiful
Anonymous No.150250993
>>150243690
forced animation
Anonymous No.150252141 >>150254788 >>150254793
>>150230048 (OP)
Its too expensive
Anonymous No.150252712
>>150240921
Nevermore
Anonymous No.150252718 >>150256049
>>150230048 (OP)
S11E5
Anonymous No.150252773 >>150257086
>>150239127
What's funny is everbody hated that Hanna Barbera Popeye show (the one before Popeye and Son), but looking back on it, the animation actually wasn't terrible.
Anonymous No.150252796
>>150240979
I always loved this scene because the lighting was amazing and it used dramatic perspective for a good joke
Anonymous No.150253114
>>150230095
>The show only exists to make profit for Disney
I don't think it's made any kind of profit in decades at this point.
Anonymous No.150253142
>>150231742
>thousands of pages
Well, even if it was animated one 1s it would only be about 300 frames.
Anonymous No.150254788 >>150255352
>>150252141
But the voice cast isn't?
Anonymous No.150254793
>>150252141
How did they managed to pay all that.?
Anonymous No.150254859
>>150235704
you skipped Pikachu (1997-2000)
also, Minions were popular in 2010, not 2009
Anonymous No.150254887 >>150255365
>>150233451
Because DEI animators in the west dont have the work ethic to do real animation
Anonymous No.150254988
>>150237613
most of the animation in the Golden Age of animation in the 50s and 60s were much cheaper once UPA won over the industry with its limited animation skills, which compared to Disney, WB and MGM (the latter was already closing its doors later on in the 50s), leaving expressive animation to be obsolete by that point. Even studios like Famous (including Harveytoons, best known for their Casper shorts), Terrytoons and the newly-formed H-B were dipping their toes to limited animation to cut their budget.

This is like what animation is right now from 2010s onward where your standard animation has to be done cheaper in Flash and outsourced in Korean territories. It's not just Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, American Dad or hell, Nu-KoTH even (despite the latter still having to have flash based from the previous, now defunct studio from the previous season). I mean, shit like Bento Box is a studio done way too stiff and cheaply for their adult animated shows and their pays aren't really that decent
Anonymous No.150255352
>>150254788
shuffling money around in the nepotistic shithole named hollywood is never too expensive
Anonymous No.150255365
>>150254887
Yo, how could it?
Anonymous No.150255730
>>150249637
HOLY SOVL
Anonymous No.150256049
>>150252718
idgi
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Anonymous No.150257086
>>150252773
did they also hate working on the Casper in Space show?
Anonymous No.150257102
>>150240921
the animation of Lisa walking in the air is cute
Anonymous No.150257237
the amount of soullessness in the Shitsons since 2000, specially since 2007,is so huge and awful it hurts
Anonymous No.150257303 >>150258360
>>150230255
Man, for real right suck major balls, is even disgusting to look at, as much as modern simpsons.
Anonymous No.150257865
>>150243009
>>150242489
Anonymous No.150258360 >>150259565 >>150267004
>>150257303
Classic Era South Park had such a neat charm to it, everything was crudely designed, it was made to look like it was stop motion, looks far more visually appealing than the current seasons.
Anonymous No.150259565 >>150260248 >>150262101 >>150267004
>>150258360
>>150230255
Less Is More
Anonymous No.150260248 >>150260367
>>150259565
No cartoon should ever run for more than 10 seasons.
Anonymous No.150260367 >>150261300
>>150260248
IMO South Parks shift in quality began to happen around season 17 when they cut seasons down from 14 episodes to 10
Anonymous No.150261300 >>150263187
>>150260367
>shorter seasons
Never a good sign desu
Anonymous No.150262101 >>150263541
>>150259565
I kinda like both to be honest.
Anonymous No.150263187 >>150270648
>>150261300
I hate this character so so very much..
Anonymous No.150263541
>>150262101
no u dont
Anonymous No.150265532
>>150230048 (OP)
It baffling how they never do this now, when you put it that way.
Anonymous No.150266825
>>150230110
Amazing.
Anonymous No.150267004 >>150271725
>>150258360
>>150259565
SP managed to jump the shark even harder than the Shitsons. Everything in that horrible show is extra level soullessness and nothing but a walking corpse and everything that its former self made fun of. I wish an extremely slow and painful death to both Parker and Stone
Anonymous No.150268433
>>150230048 (OP)
>>150230070
>>150230110
>>150230381
>>150231742
soul
Anonymous No.150269097 >>150270094 >>150270684
>>150256196
Anonymous No.150270094
>>150269097
haw haw
Anonymous No.150270648
>>150263187
why he's honest and stands up for what he believes in.
what do you hate about him?
Anonymous No.150270684 >>150271741 >>150271771
>>150269097
the kicking in the second panel is pointless in this edition
Anonymous No.150270791
>>150241038
That "Look at me, I'm Davy Crockett!" moment was permanently stuck in my head when I was growing up.
Anonymous No.150271615
>>150230048 (OP)
Why did we lost to this?
Anonymous No.150271725
>>150267004
their time will come. They will be sorry
Anonymous No.150271741
>>150270684
That's just his power stance
Anonymous No.150271771
>>150270684
that's part of what makes it funny.