Thread 150234659

What do you think of Jax being a trans allegory?

>>150234659 (OP)
about as much as your faggotry OP

>creator is a tranny
>relates most to the bad person character
lel

>>150234784
They also said that Jax is basically the worst version of themself; I interpret that as Jax being Goose from the timeline where they're in perpetual denial about their identity, and just becomes a worse person to be around as a result

>>150234659 (OP)
I'm gonna be honest and blunt with you OP if this turns out to be the entire conflict of Jax instead of the Rabbit backstory, this show will CRASH and BURN seriously, like got s8, dead overnight. Why?

1. It doesn't make sense to the viewer
2. No one likes self inserts and if this happens it will be more obvious than it already is
3. It's just bad storytelling, no one cares about that, what everyone wants is the frog's flashback episode

In conclusion, ass.

>>150234848
Trannies are already the worse given they’re giving into their mental illness to live a delusion. Being an asshole is still better than being a tranny, because then you’re an asshole who wears a dress and thinks becoming a eunuch will make you a woman.

>>150234898
>they’re giving into their mental illness to live a delusion
Or, more charitably. they're trying to alleviate a form of stress by outwardly presenting as what they see themselves as internally. Some describe it as "the hardware not matching the drivers," and the problem for humans is, we don't really have a good way of changing the drivers in someone's mind...

>>150234992
Is the charity deserved though?

>>150235212
Deserved based on what?

>>150234659 (OP)
He doesn't seem trans, but they seem to be indicating that he's a bit too strict and binary with his own gender. It's maybe more a critique of toxic masculinity and >>150234848 seems to be on point

>>150234992
>we don't really have a good way of changing the drivers in someone's mind...
Sure we do, it's just not socially acceptable to use these methods anymore. Ironically we have real foids to blame for that.

>>150235279
>it's just not socially acceptable to use these methods anymore
Yes, because those methods don't help the patients and only serve to make them more docile.

>>150234992
Except we do because it’s not “hardware not matching the drivers” it’s that the drivers have a virus that is fucking with how they operate. But instead of trying to get rid of it they’re just adding more shit. It’s odd how if someone had anorexia or another type of body dysmorphia they’re treated as if they have a manner of mental illness and are urged to seek treatment to avoid going into their delusional state, yet trannies get a free pass.

>>150235836
What is the better alternative, then? The one that has a track record of successfully alleviating the stress they feel, without any invasive procedures

>>150235885
You’re pretending like people already don’t have treatments for body dysmorphia that aren’t invasive. Or do you consider therapy in which the delusion is not enforced and you focus on the root cause of the issue to be invasive? In which case all therapy is invasive since the whole point of it is to try and figure out mental issues.

>>150235432
The patients are beyond saving. At that point, it's more important to prevent them from harming others.
Though these days most troons could be fixed with beatings and public shaming, since they're just fetishists.

>>150234659 (OP)
Wasn’t Jax originally a girl and Pomni originally a guy and they got swapped late

>>150234659 (OP)
trans allegories don't really work in a wacky cartoon where characters can crossdress without looking like a freaky boomerhon.

>>150235967
>treatments for body dysmorphia that aren’t invasive
And which of those have been successful for gender dysphoria?
>>150235999
>troons could be fixed with beatings and public shaming
Hell, why stop there? Let's all go to the quarry and carry and carry out Allah's work ourselves!

>>150236117
All of them became it’s the same shit. You trying to differentiate and act like they’re not isn’t going to make it different. Some people think they’re fat, some people think their fingers shouldn’t be there, some people think they shouldn’t have a penis. In the end it’s all the same delusional bullshit. Acting like it doesn’t work and that you need to let people just delve into their one mentally unstable bullshit isn’t the answer.

>>150236176
>All of them
So why isn't it practiced?
>Acting like it doesn’t work
If it does... see above.

>>150236213
>So why isn't it practiced
Because trannies cried about it and tried to make it seem like their shit was separate from the general body dysmorphia like you tried to say.
>If it does... see above
If it didn’t work then no one would be able to get over anorexia or anything else. You’re openly trying to disregard reality to try and say there are no other options. Why? Why would you do that?

>>150236176
My first month of estradiol my hairline on the sides went forward an inch and my acne vanished. It very much does work for treating body image issues.

>>150234848
All trannies I knew were better and more fun before trooning

>>150236263
>trannies cried about it
Wouldn't they be happy to just be happy, regardless of their identity?
>If it didn’t work then no one would be able to get over anorexia or anything else
Is it not possible that gender dysphoria is different from these other things in some way?
>You’re openly trying to disregard reality to try and say there are no other options
I'm asking what the other options are. As I said, if the therapy worked at treating the dysphoria without changing their physiology, why would they complain?

>>150236300
Bullshit, estrogen throws off hormone balance and leads to hair loss 60% of the time.

>>150236370
It suppresses testosterone and DHT and promotes hair growth.

>>150234659 (OP)
Trannies are retarded, that is all.

>>150234659 (OP)
>She
>Her
I think you should kill yourself.

More tranny, gay, etc posts than normal recently… I smell a fucking rat, boys!

>>150236341
>Wouldn't they be happy to just be happy, regardless of their identity
Mental illness tends to lead people into being unhappy.
>Is it not possible that gender dysphoria is different from these other things in some way
No, especially given it was made up by a pedophile.
>I'm asking what the other options are
They complain because they would rather live their delusion than get help. It’s the same logic that addicts use to avoid getting help.

>>150236341
>Wouldn't they be happy to just be happy, regardless of their identity?
Nta but trooping is most often than not a fetish, not related to dysphoria. I asked on /lgbt/ if they would take a cure to dysphoria of it existed, and they all shrieked and said no because what they like is larping as anime girls.

>Is it not possible that gender dysphoria is different

People with amputation fetish also claim that they prefer after being amputated. Funny bit is that the rates of tranies getting over mental health issues is terrible, at best in the most charitable data, they just have symptoms slightly aliviated, but almost never cured.

And for that you nigga demands the entire concept of what is a man or a woman to be changed.

>if the therapy worked at treating the dysphoria without changing their physiology, why would they complain?
These people are fetishist cultists anon.

>>150236387
And the imbalance of hormones makes that null and void.

>>150236117
>Hell, why stop there? Let's all go to the quarry and carry and carry out Allah's work ourselves!
I know you're being ironic, but I'd be fine with that too.

>>150236464
No because the new hormones don't cause male pattern hairloss except for prog through the DHT backdoor pathway which is much more fringe. Otherwise women would lose hair the same way as men.

>>150236491
Nigga could have just used a shampoo for hair loss rather than cause him literal brain damage by trooning out.

>>150234659 (OP)
You should take some 9mm lead pills directly to the head.

Jesus, you people are mean.

Live and let fucking live, for pity's sake.

>>150236491
The hair loss stems from an imbalance of hormones in the body, women don’t have to deal with that since they’re not fucking around with hormone injections they just have the estrogen.

>>150236434
>>150236452
>These people are fetishist cultists
All of them? Even the many who do say they would take a "cure dysphoria" pill if it existed? Who are dysphoric, and know for them that it's not a fetish?
>>150236475
>I'd be fine with that too
Yes, death. You're fine with death. You're fine with killing. You're fine with bloodily and painfully ending the lives of people who annoy you.
So why don'tcha?

>>150236539
>knows he can’t argue what I said
>has to lump me in with someone else to cope
The fact you have to resort to such dishonest means tells me you know you’re wrong.

>>150236531
If there’s one thing a complete loser on 4chan can’t stand it’s someone who actually loves themselves

>>150236563
>>has to lump me in with someone else to cope
Were you not essentially saying the same thing? You would only say that a gender dysphoric person would not accept the non-invasive cure for their dysphoria, that clearly and non-controversially exists, if on some level you didn't believe that gender dysphoria exists and that it was all merely autogynephilia. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize.

>>150236610
I feel that. The adage of pissing in an ocean of piss applies here as it always did.

I'm not trans, and I can't say I fully understand it myself, but it's not for me to tell someone what they can and can't do with themselves.

>>150236539
>So why don'tcha?
Prison sucks and I have a lot to lose.

>>150236669
literally the only bad thing here is harry potter

>>150236652
I condemn you as a coward with convictions as hollow as your withered soul.

>>150236537
You're being retarded. There's no evidence showing high levels of estrogen in biological men causes hair loss. Meanwhile women who inject testosterone often have hair loss because DHT causes hair follicles to miniaturize. The only way a guy could lose hair and have high estrogen is by having so much testosterone that a big chunk of it aromatizes into estrogen.

>>150236669
What right do you have to force your way of living upon others? Your rights end where theirs begin, and the opposite is true. If it causes no harm, what harm is caused? Why does how another person chooses to live their life so offend you?

>>150236639
>Were you not essentially saying the same thing
Show me where I said anything about AGP shit or fetishes? You get one chance.

>>150236694
Mentally ill freaks that cut their own dicks off aren't important enough to have convictions about.

>>150236737
Then why do you care about what they do?

>>150236732
Funny how you’re trying to act like it’s the estrogen specifically and not the imbalance of hormones I general.

>>150236503
Stop being ignorant. I have like 50 different skincare/haircare products strewn across my room. Most trannies already tried all that stuff before going on HRT.

Would you love your son or daughter any less if they'd been born your daughter or son?

>>150236757
I only care about them trying to destroy others' lives. They have long since crossed the line of "live and let live".

>>150236760
Because androgens and estrogenss bind to different receptors and thus high levels of either will have different effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen_receptor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_receptor

>>150234659 (OP)
Jax is more like a closeted homosexual than a troon
>that's what everybody wants, a straight couple

>>150236736
>what is "essentially"?
Just because you didn't say it, doesn't mean it couldn't be inferred. I more or less explained my thinking in the post you just replied to. If I'm wrong, and you do believe that gender dysphoria is real---but for some reason, those afflicted just don't want the "proper" treatment that'll make them happier all the same so, again, why reject it?---then, as I said, I apologize.
>>150236785
>trying to destroy others' lives
Blame the politicians, activists, and social workers who claim to speak on their behalf.
Claim to.

>>150236735
>What right do you have to force your way of living upon others
The irony in this statement is palpable given trannies have been doing that exact shit and forcing people through social stigma and ostracism to deny biology and psychology just to go along with their mentally ill larp.
>Your rights end where theirs begin, and the opposite is true
No it’s more that it’s not good and only leads to long term damage for them and the people around them.
>what harm is caused
Genital mutilation, worsening of mental trauma, bodily alteration, emotional pain and suffering from both them realizing that nothing will make them a woman and their families having to deal with them. You know, the basic shit.
>Why does how another person chooses to live their life so offend you
I don’t like having to lie or being lied to. Especially when it’s done for the sake of feeding someone’s mental illness.

>>150236853
>doesn't mean it couldn't be inferred
So you realized you fucked up and now how to say that I inferred it when nothing close to that was being said and I brought up nothing in regards to fetishization or anything else that has to do with sex (coitus) and just talked about a specific mental illness. Again you know you have nothing so you had to lump me in with someone else. I said why I don’t think gender dysphoria is real and explained why and it had nothing to do with what the other guy said.

>>150236856
Most trannies don't care about politics and just want of be left alone, you just see the ones obsessed with politics the most because they're the most vocal. Just like black people, the news never talks about normal black people, just black people that commit crimes.

>>150236856
How are you this embarassed that your kids hate you

As someone who's somehow managed to avoid being tangled up in this discussion for the last several years, can someone please help me understand how gender dysmorphia is different than other forms of dysmorphia? Forgive me if this is reductive, because I'm not trying to be insulting, but isn't delusion delusion?

>>150236944
>Most trannies don't care about politics and just want of be left alone
That’s too bad, especially since the vocal ones outed the gross and unhealthy shit they do and how they operate.
>Just like black people, the news never talks about normal black people
Being black isn’t a choice and a black person isn’t inherently mentally ill.

>>150236917
>I inferred it
No, -I- inferred it. That's what "inferred" means.
>I said why I don’t think gender dysphoria is real
Ah-ha. So, why do people have it?

>>150236944
It does come across as a new type of axe to grind, but it's functionally no different than anyone else trying to turn their identity into a political movement. Look at the growing "trad-wife" stuff; it's the same shit.

>>150236970
It’s not really. Also look up John Money, the guy who coined in.

>>150236998
>No, -I- inferred
You know what I meant, you’re just trying to avoid having to argue.
>Ah-ha. So, why do people have it
Ad populum? Really? Oh and look at that you haven’t shown how I said anything about fetish shit.

>>150237027
Didn't Money only prove, through barbarous methods, that you can't FORCE someone to be trans?

>>150236539
>All of them?
Most yeah

And its not like THOSE get called out.
"Huuur duuur you are born with your gender and can't change it"
"Oh also gender fluids can change their gender at will!!!"

>>150236965
Man you folded immediately, like you have absolutely nothing to say I’m wrong.

>>150237089
He also is the one that is behind the phony term and condition that trannies use to pretend they don’t have body dysmorphia.

>>150236610
Trans people hate themselves
Thats the entire point

>>150236610
If someone loves themselves then they wouldn’t need to try and radically change their entire person just to feel normal.

>>150236944
>Most trannies don't care about politics and just want of be left alone
The moment you can't define what a woman is, and insists that you are one nonethless is the point where you "care" about politics.

Not even to admit that he is a male with mental issues, he has to reshape the meaning of "woman'" to include "male with mental issues"

>>150234659 (OP)
I think you and everyone who is trans needs to die immediately.

>>150236970
I had body dysmorphia, the solution was surgery. Trying to accept myself in the mirror was all well and good but you know what helped? Medical intervention.

>>150236970
Dysmorphia describes a perception and dysphoria describes an emotion, neither is specific to body dysmorphic disorder or transgender people, surprising that you’ve only heard this word in that context if you’re not tangled up in this.

The reason doctors know body dysmorphic disorder is a delusion is because when you enable it, they get worse mentally even when people treat them better for the change in appearance. The reason doctors know transition is the correct treatment for dysphoria is that trans people who transition get better mentally and increase self-esteem, even when the people who hate them treat them even worse as a result.

>>150237346
>>150237351
Thank you both.

>>150237351
Dammit, why could I have said that sooner?

>>150234659 (OP)
>last point
Huh, weird.
I thought it was because the only other male in the Circus is Kinger and he's a fucking basket case.

>>150237351
so there's a difference between the guy who thinks he's jesus and the guy who thinks he's madeline? jesus-guy gets worse when you play into it, but madeline gets better?

>>150237351
Trannies don’t get better mentally. They freak the fuck out if they don’t get constant validation and need to reject their own bodies which is exactly why it’s body dysmorphia. The only thing it does is get them deeper into the sunk cost shit and make them double down on the lie they have to tell themselves.

>>150237489
Anti-psychotics work on Jesus, but they don’t work on Madeline because she’s not insane.

>>150237403
Stop talking to yourself.
>inb4 I’m not
Funny how you only accept and we’re grateful for answers that validated and supported your mental illness.

>>150237519
He is since men can’t be women.

>>150237522
I asked for an explanation and got one.

If you want the validation of a stranger, be worthy of validation.

>>150236853
>Blame the politicians, activists, and social workers who claim to speak on their behalf.
That's a cop-out. The troons ARE the activists.

>>150237555
Then why don’t anti-psychotics work?

>>150237556
You got multiple, yet you only accepted the ones that validated the mental illness.

>>150237490
Aren’t you the one freaking the fuck out about it rn? There are decades of research and sociology proving trans people are a natural human phenomenon, it’s not like the places you’re getting this rhetoric from.

>>150236970
The Peg Leg isn't a real leg, that leg's gone, but my man would still like to ambulate.

>>150237351
>The reason doctors know body dysmorphic disorder is a delusion is because when you enable it, they get worse mentally even when people treat them better for the change in appearance.
That's how you know that trannies are not diferent from people with anorexia. Every time they troon out, they become worse people.

They also continue killing themselves in droves.

>>150237565
They do, you just don’t take them.

>>150237577
Only one other person commented, and they brought up Dr. Money, which I acknowledged.

>>150237565
Evidence has show that anti-psychotics make a difference.

But do you think that trans activists like that answer? For them you don't even need dysphoria to be trans.

>>150237603
Everyone, including gender ideologues, is well-aware that a male body can never "become" a female one and vice-versa. But they will slip up and say that it can because that's what the delusion/fetish is actually about. Much easier and less socially-disruptive to put them all on anti-psychotic meds (that have proved to work on them) and be done with it.

>>150237561
>The troons ARE the activists
Yes, every last one of them, including the ones who just draw, speedrun, make mashup albums, and don't even have a flag anywhere on their social media.
>inb4 those don't exist
Isn't that funny that your schema for trans people only includes the most radically vocal of them all...

>>150237580
>Aren’t you the one freaking the fuck out about it rn
Nope, just explaining reality to people that support a delusion.
>There are decades of research and sociology proving trans people are a natural human phenomenon
Yes, like the one done by the pedo who led to the kid and his brother (who he made have sex) killing themselves. Also it’s not very scientific to deny basic biology in an attempt to support someone’s mental illness.
>it’s not like the places you’re getting this rhetoric from
You mean science text books? Because that’s how I came to this conclusion.

>>150237603
And you tried to dismiss it as if you already knew despite claiming to not be involved or know about any of this.

>>150237633
>Isn't that funny that your schema for trans people only includes the most radically vocal of them all...
Because only the radically vocal ones matter, and what they are doing is catastrophically bad enough that throwing the "good" ones under the bus is a necessary evil.
You're not even allowed to call out the "bad" ones either because they're all terminally online fucks. At least faggots had the sense to disown NAMBLA.

>>150237606
>evidence shows that anti-psychotics can make a difference
In treating psychosis. But they often increase feelings of gender dysphoria, instead of alleviating them.

>>150237688
Gender dysphoria isn’t real. It’s body dysphoria which it does alleviate along with therapy.

>>150237720
>Gender dysphoria isn’t real
>I don't experience it and can't explain it in my own framework, so it must not be real and some Great Trick is being pulled on all of us
There is, by the way, but this ain't it

>>150237660
I said I wasn't tangled up in the issue, not that I hadn't heard or picked up on things. Fuck's sake, anon, I'm on the Internet.

>>150237688
A lot of "gender dysphoria" isn't even actual gd. Most of the time its weirdos with a fetish.

>>150237643
So when studies show that transgender brains (pre-HRT) have structural differences from other brains of that assigned gender, do you just call that delusion?

>>150237776
>I said I wasn't tangled up in the issue
You’re not tangled yet you are aware of a major talking point and already have an opinion on it which makes you immediately dismiss what was said. It doesn’t add up.

I gotta be completely honest, I stopped caring about this whole discourse once I realised that quite literally no one, not even the most leftist-brained of leftists, believes that trannies are actual women.
It is remarkable how little it takes for "muh scientific studies" or "muh history/culture" to turn into "look, why can't you just play along? They aren't hurting anyone." in an argument because that's literally all there is to it at the end of a day.

>>150237787
>Most of the time
This is something that has been surveyed and recorded, correct?

>>150235885
Can we toss them into the sun

>>150237790
You should probably read the actual study because at best it finds that trannies have marginally different brains, but also that there is no standard cisgender brain for either of the two sexes. Also, they used an MRI, the same thing you decided to seethe about despite insisting that there is some distinct, measurable, biological different in trans brains. A thing that is meaningfully true and not easily described by a variety of other known conditions not measured nor tested for in that study (autism, NPD, BPD) which do show distinct, measurable difference in brain structure on MRI scans.

>>150237810
That seems less like they don’t believe they’re women and more like they’re tired of trying to convince you when you don’t care about evidence. Seriously, if someone provides multiple evidence based studies to prove their point and your response is “I don’t care, they’re mentally ill faggots” then what exactly is the point of trying to convince you? Better to try and sway you to be neutral at best.

>>150237771
You want me to explain something that doesn’t exist and that people use as an excuse to say they don’t have body dysmorphia? Okay. It’s an attempt to say that their brains are the opposite of their bodies like another person said. But that’s not possible since the brain is hard wired to be of a specific gender/sex. And before you say anything those are the same since ultimately at the very core of a human is instinct and inherited behaviors which are there from jump and not taught so trying to say that it’s a social construct fails.

>>150237834
Have you tried going to a tranny dominated envirement and saying that only people with dysphoria are trans?

>>150237790
You mean people with a mental illness have different brain structures?

>>150236004
i cannot imagine a world where this was the case

>>150237861
>less like they don’t believe they’re women and more like they’re tired of trying to convince you when you don’t care about evidence.
Okay.

Explain what a woman is.

>. Seriously, if someone provides multiple evidence based studies to prove their point
You haven't provided any, and tranny studies are notoriously politized by activists. They have a set number of answers that they find satisfactory and ignore anything that indicates the contrary.

>>150237839
No, but you can toss discarded bricks at them until their eyes fall out and their limbs go stiff.
Why don't you go do that?

>>150237809
We studied Dr. Money's work in college over 20 years ago, in an abnormal psychology class. I have a passing awareness of some terminology, but no trans friends to discuss this stuff with. You're looking for boogeymen under the bed and there simply aren't any.

>>150237861
There is no evidence, it’s all based on vibes and feelings which are a result of the aforementioned mental illness they suffer. Saying that someone that sees Nixon in their mirror and he tells them to kill people doesn’t make it true, it just makes them schizophrenic.

>>150236681
mad trans spotted

>>150237841
When did I seethe about MRIs? The study showed that the model could predict male or female brains with around 88% accuracy, which while not perfect is significant. The study also showed that transgender brains did in fact range from being closer to male or closer to female, which aligns with the current conclusion that gender is far more of a spectrum than a binary. To quote the study:
>Nevertheless, even though findings are not immediately comparable, all existing structural MRI classifier studies—as well as a recent resting-state functional MRI classifier study [38]—seem to support the notion of a “shift” away from the biological sex towards the gender identity in transgender people.

>>150237953
>We studied Dr. Money's work in college over 20 years ago
1. Who the fuck is we?
2. So you do know and were lying, because why would you immediately dismiss something based on a “passing awareness”?
>You're looking for boogeymen under the bed
It’s shit like this that shows your bias and thus lets me know you’re lying. You know you fucked up so you have to try and say it isn’t happening yet can’t argue how it’s not or give any proof.

>>150237861
Lmao, sure.
Have you seen that video where two obviously leftist zoomer chicks get arrested, one of them asks for a female cop and an officer responds with something along the lines of "how do you know they don't identify as female?"
Everyone knows what a "woman" is when the chips are down.

>>150238015
The class I was in. We. The people studying Dr. Money.

I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. What proof are you looking for? I was the one who came here with questions. I don't know enough about any of this to give you information you don't already have.

>>150237993
>The study showed that the model could predict male or female brains with around 88% accuracy
According to who and what? And what source are you citing?

>>150237810
>"look, why can't you just play along? They aren't hurting anyone."
I would unironically be fine with that if they were just honest about it. Most people are delusional in some sense, at least mentally ill people have an excuse for it. Society would collapse overnight if no one ever tolerated other people's bullshit. I just don't want blatant cheating in sports or damaging medical treatments given to stupid kids who don't really know what they want.
Ironically, despite not being real women, troons are extremely politically similar to feminazis who think Y chromosomes are the mark of the beast. Same exact inability to self-reflect.

>>150238061
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

>>150237993
>MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

>seem to support the notion of a “shift” away from the biological sex towards
The study you are mentioning used people that were years under opposite sex hormones, and doesn't replicate in several others.

>>150238055
>The class I was in. We
None of them are here so you should just say I.
>I don't even know what you're talking about at this point
So you need to pretend you can’t read because you know you have nothing to actually prove me wrong since you trapped yourself?
>What proof are you looking for
Oh you’re a tourist as well.
>was the one who came here with questions
And you only accepted answers that supported your bias which you should not have if you haven’t been tangled in this like you claimed.

>>150238110
>The study you are mentioning used people that were years under opposite sex hormones
>That is, all transgender women included in this study were confirmed to be genetic males who had not undergone any gender-affirming hormone therapy.
Come on, man.

>>150238085
For real? Are you really going to do this? Why even use this as a source?

>>150238119
NTA but when have you shown a willingness to accept a single answer that didn’t affirm your bias in this thread?

>>150238085
>However, despite this wealth of research, a clear consensus is still missing in terms of which brain structures are altered in transgender individuals. Possible reasons include analyzing small and/or heterogeneous samples, applying different morphometric methods across studies, as well as focusing on single brain features. The latter is a concern in particular as even within cisgender studies there are large discrepancies in terms of reported sex differences, apart from the larger male and smaller female brain on average

The very start f the study points out how phony it is.
I alread adressed all of that here >>150237841

>>150238139
What exactly did you think you were doing by posting that screenshot? That it somehow invalidates the research? Are you stupid?

>>150238139
>Why even use this as a source?
NTA, but as it says right there, it's scientific literature. It's a library, not an editorial journal.

>>150238160
>ah yes, the opening paragraph of this study invalidates the rest of it, glad I don’t have to read further
>I am very smart

>>150238155
So you have nothing and have to start samefagging again. Cool.

>>150238201
>no argument
>just goes for ad hominem while continuing to samefag

>>150238208
So that’s a no on the willingness to accept facts that don’t affirm your biases, then.

>>150238203
Anon the study is phony as fuck, and has a laughtbly small sample size and is contradicted by others.

>>150238175
>what exactly do you think you were doing posting a screenshot where they said they do not endorse or agree with what is there.
So you think that a scientific library not endorsing or agreeing with something means that it’s true? Why would they disagree with it if it were not?

Dunno about you, but I personally can't wait for mental institutions to be reopened.

>>150238242
Anon the study is very clearly emphasizing that it has a 10x larger sample size than other previous studies and a more precise methodology. The studies that you’re referring to which contradict it were done earlier, and with sample sizes in the single digits

>>150238236
You have to actually back them up for them to be facts. And so far you haven’t done that. You just lied and started talking to yourself while ignoring anything you didn’t like. And now you’re trying to justify it by saying I do the same while pretending to be another person.

>>150238274
Oh my god, do you genuinely believe that that screenshot meant that website disagreed with the study?

>>150238203
>No you don't get it, these people are born with the need to act like a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT! And must dress and act like that culturally dependent social construct!!

Its pure non sense.
No one is actually born with gender dysphoria. The whole "mismatched brain and body" is 100% pop science bullshit. There's no such thing as a female brain, let alone a brain that is any kind of separate entity from the rest of the body it's in. Gender Dysphoria is always a combination of autism, past sexual trauma, assorted mood and anxiety disorders, and fetishism, rather than it being any kind of quantifiable real condition someone can have on its own, without any of the previously mentioned issues. Instead of being a real thing with its own specificities, it's actually just an umbrella term for a set of other problems that amount to "horny autist with some depression and BPD"

>>150238274
It's a stock disclaimer they put on every study published there, because it's a lib-rar-y.

That's not me.

>>150238184
>it's scientific literature. It's a library
Does that make it accurate or true? A copy of a 14th century medical manuscript on Hippocratic humorism is also scientific literature yet it’s not accurate or true to how the body functions.

>>150238292
>anon the study says that its a top tier study
In case anyone wanted to know, current neuroimaging data does NOT support the hypothesis that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain of the opposite sex!

Same sample size
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21467211/

>The studies that you’re referring to which contradict it were done earlier,
And?

>>150238320
You seem to think that it being a library means that that does not shoot the credibility of the sources. Do you something is true just because it’s in a library?

>>150238380
If it doesn’t matter when the study was done, why emphasize “current” neuroimaging data? Did you think people wouldn’t notice you posted a study from 2011 in order to disprove a study from 2022?

>>150238316
>do you believe that a screenshot that said they don’t agree or endorse things means they don’t endorse it

>>150238437
>do you believe a common disclaimer showing that they are simply hosting a study means they disagree with it
Apparently you do! You know how to show a study is bullshit? Find a more current study with better methodology showing that it is. Fucking dumbass.

>>150238421
Don't you realize that its ducking stupid to dismiss a study based on date alone?

The statement that begins, "a "trans" person's brain MRI..." presupposes that there is a different type of human that is distinct from male or female then purports to provide the reason for the claim that is already taken as a given.

Are you the same faggot from yesterday that cited a study about brain scans that showed trans brain structures still adhered to cis brain structures by over 75% ans claimed that some how made it that those brains were the opposite of their biological body? Because you are one dumb motherfucker.

It literally is impossible because the whole body is sexed. There are no more wrong brains / wrong bodies than there are wrong livers. If a male is born with a liver the size/performance of the average female liver, no one has EVER suggested that it is actually a female one

A condition that relies on the social construct of gender stereotypes to exist is no condition at all other than man made bullsh*t. It is like brainwashing people about breathing air being abnormal and then medicalise them because they feel abnormal for breathing.

>>150238354
>Does that make it accurate or true?
Not necessarily. Like they say, they just show the studies.
>>150238382
>You seem to think that it being a library means that that does not shoot the credibility of the sources
Why would it? It's a public resource of scientific literature. The blurb basically means
>Just so you know, there could be another study in our database that contradicts this one, so we're all-in on either of them
which doesn't mean
>Oh yeah, everything written here is a massive load; we're pretty much The Onion, just read if you wanna laugh!

>>150238471
So you can’t argue the disclaimer, figures.
>You know how to show a study is bullshit
You don’t, that’s proving a negative, the study has to show how it’s not bullshit, and it failed at that right from the gate given it wasn’t endorsed or agreed on by the people hosting it for them.

You know, if someone kept making an endless stream of ""scientific research"" and media propaganda on why the sky is red instead of blue, a normal person wouldn't think "dang, I guess I was wrong", they'd probably assume that someone REALLY wants them to believe that the sky is red for some reason.

>>150238471
This nigga's philosophy is that if the latest study showed what he already agrees with, it is the correct one, because its newest and reinforces his notions.

If several previous studies show that the one you supprot is the OUTLINER than yours is probably the phony one.

It just shows that science and any other logical argument against trannies is useless - because they all just exist to try to validate something that they already wanted to do to begin with.

>>150238481
>>150238600
I’m not arguing based on the fact that it’s more recent, I’m arguing based on the fact that its methodology is better, it’s backed up by other studies showing similar results, and I haven’t seen any literature that’s substantively rebutted its findings.

>>150238511
>replies to both
How many fucking people are you in this thread? Seriously why do you think being wrong while pretending to be other people will change things?
>Not necessarily. Like they say, they just show the studies
So the source lacks credibility.
>Why would it
Because you made point of saying that in the post I’m replying to.
>Just so you know, there could be another study in our database that contradicts this one, so we're all-in on either of them
Accept they don’t say they agree or endorse it so how can they be all in on either? You’re just trying to misconstrue it because you can’t argue how it’s not as I say.
>Oh yeah, everything written here is a massive load; we're pretty much The Onion, just read if you wanna laugh
Funny how you have to try and just completely make shit up like this. Also funny how you didn’t address what I said about the manuscript and how it applies as “scientific literature” as well and is inaccurate.

>>150237946
I have nothing better to do, let's do that

>>150236531
>Live and let fucking live, for pity's sake

Nah, I'm not a brain dead liberal so I disagree. Especially since troons try to literally force people to play along with their autogynephilia fetish.

>>150238084
Well, considering that trannies are shooting up schools now, they can't really claim they're not "hurting anyone".

>>150238685
Anon I want you to try and consider the fact that multiple people disagree with you on something.

The government really did spread hormones autism communities like crack to blacks didnt they

>>150238665
How is the methodology better if the same method shows the same patter in people with mental illnesses and doesn’t indicate anything in regards to gender?

>>150237299
Based and saved. Good image.

>retard who doesn't believe what he says using evidence in an argument with retards who don't care if there's evidence against their arguments
reddit ass thread, delete

Kinger is my favorite character.

>>150238665
>based on the fact that its methodology is better,
And tell us why you think its better.

> it’s backed up by other studies
I literally posted several cases that show that its not.

>and I haven’t seen any literature that’s substantively rebutted
You are literally ignoring all others.

>>150238723
Is that why you replied to two posts I made to two supposedly different people? And how you dropped everything else just to say this? If you want to use this cope you have to actually make it make sense.

>>150238110
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

Saved this one too.

>>150238711
Well, that was a troon who got groomed into transitioning. So it doesn't technically disprove the "muh dysphoria" fag.

This thread is retarded, stop this farce. You're not going to convince anyone in this thread of shit, they're set in their ways. Watch your funny cartoons of how an edgy easter egg bunny is a bunny and not an egg.

>>150238798
>that was a troon who got groomed into transitioning
So?
You can't divorce a grift from the type of people who tend to fall for it.

In my humble opinion there is no such thing as gender only your sex and your sex produces hormones that make your personality gravitate to certain personalities and behaviors on average. If you deviate from that average it can't mean that you have a different sex and that's all their is. If someone thinks a male looks like a female because he has long hair he is just incorrect. Notice how we went from transexual to transgender.

Also the entire transgender ideology is the same as furries. Why do furries think they are certain animals? Because they feel like a wolf. Or feel like a fox. You cant get a medical test done to see what the inside of your brain's fursona should be. Theres also the massive denial that it's not a sexual fetish or sexual but just a lifestyle choice.

Same for race. There could be niggafurries and transniggas with this logic. Literally the south park dolphin episode.

>>150238865
His argument is that it's not a grift for all of them. Which may very well be true, but I don't really care anymore tbqh.

>>150238798
They were actually groomed into detransitioning, before then going into the school shooting.

>>150238911
>groomed into detransitioning
"Straight propaganda" tier nonsense babble.

>>150238888
Look if you can’t be convinced that’s fine but I think it’s worth it to point out that unlike feeling like you’re a fox or a dog or feeling like you’re actually black or Asian, during natal development, there is a chance a fetus could develop into a male or female. As in, two white parents will never produce a black baby, or produce a dolphin. But they have an equal chance of producing a boy or a girl.

>>150238685
>>replies to both
Yes, because those were both replies to (Me), specifically.
>How many fucking people are you in this thread?
Well, there's (Me), and at least one other person replying to you.
>So the source lacks credibility.
It's. A. Library. It just publishes studies, WHAT are you on?
>they don’t say they agree or endorse it so how can they be all in on either?
Wow, it's almost like that's what I said. Holy shit...
>>150238761
>you replied to two posts I made to two supposedly different people
See above, those were both me, and not that other anon you replied to.
>If you want to use this cope you have to actually make it make sense.
Try this: two people disagree with you and are (I can only assume; I'm not them, after all) equally flummoxed at the thought of needing to explain how that's possible.

>>150238888
I don't think furries actually believe they're animals though. If anything I hate them a lot less because they're a lot less disingenuous about the fact that it's basically a sex thing for nerds and autists.

BlueSky raiders ITT and on the site at large, do not listen to their LIES.

>>150238966
There's also a chance you legs could d develope wrong, but you can't just identify as disabled.

>>150239020
/co/'s been getting alarmingly susceptible to this kind of shit lately.
I blame the ageing userbase.

>>150238981
>Yes, because those were both replies to (Me), specifically
So you admit you were samefagging, good. And you also show you can get rid of (You)s. Or are you posting from two separate devices?
>Well, there's (Me), and at least one other person replying to you
You mean you? Since you keep replying to posts that were to “him”.
>It's. A. Library. It just publishes studies
Which doesn’t make them accurate and they say as much, but keep coping samefag.
>See above, those were both me, and not that other anon you replied to
Funny how you this is supposedly not a reply for you yet you’re still replying to it for some reason.