Thread 150240347

>Oh yeah, this show clearly made to get kids' to buy toys clearly is much more mature than people think!
What causes this? Why is it so hard to just say "yes, I do enjoy a kids' show"?

>>150240347 (OP)
autism

>>150240347 (OP)
OP is a fag

Okay but Lloyd was mentally abused badly by her tho

Small peepee energy

>>150240347 (OP)
Cartoon fan insecurity combined with the Western ideology that if a cartoon isn't overtly gorey or full of swear words, it's "for kids", regardless of the actual quality or maturity of the writing.

>>150240347 (OP)
Things would be a lot better if people just owned up and liked the things they like without shame instead of trying to cozy up to people who will never care.

>>150240347 (OP)
Why is there so many lego cartoons nowadays?
I just realized half of the fucking morning cartoon block here in my country is just lego shows.

>>150240347 (OP)
It has corny jokes, but if I would lie if their wasn't any sexual induendo

>>150241040
I didn’t know there were official Lego animations apart from the movie, the commercials and ninjago.

>>150241040
The Lego company has been whoring out their IP for decades now, they want it be a brand bigger than the blocks. They even let some rapper make his auto-biography in Lego style.

>>150241238
lmao i remember people here shitting on it when it was announced

Ninjago is good tho

>>150240347 (OP)
It’s just copium that adults need to self administer to justify watching a show that is without any doubt, for little kids. Early adopting ponyfags used to do the same thing before the proper autism hurricane took it over
>>150240987
This is the way. If you cope like in the OP, other people will see right through you. If someone sees your Ninjago collection and you just shrug and say you like those little fellas, no one will care
>>150241040
Lego is pretty hot right now. They are just trying to push more product. Shit is expensive as all hell, so they need to trick kids into begging their parents for it, who will eventually cave for the sake of shutting the kid up

>>150240347 (OP)
>>150240455
>>150240455
>>150240936
>>150240987
I genuinely think the "X isn't really for kids" mentality is why kids media is more prone to sanitization now
News flash
Marvel is for kids
DC is for kids
Star Wars is for kids
Godzilla is for kids
Transformers is for kids
There's nothing wrong with being fans of those IPs as adults but don't deny the reality that those franchises are primarily children's entertainment

>>150241426
>Shit is expensive as all hell, so they need to trick kids into begging their parents for it, who will eventually cave for the sake of shutting the kid up
Aren't half of buyers if not majority manchildren with too much money?

>>150241458
It’s weird how it doesn’t leak over into anime. Stuff like DBZ, MHA and Demon Slayer is targeted towards preteens but no one ever has to cope about liking it

>>150241513
Because people don't know what Shonen even means
Also different standards, the Demon Slayer movie is Rated R here

>>150241500
Yea but those are the premium manchild sets that are like $500+. Lego is smart and isn’t putting all their eggs in the manchild basket. The ones actually meant for kids are in the $20-100 range

>>150241513
Does Pokemon count?

>>150241513
Go find a normie DBZ fan and tell them the series is targeted to boys 8-12. The response you get will be aggressive and long winded about why you are wrong. They just cope a different way by convincing themselves those shows are for teens

>>150241553
Pokemon is a kodomo, which means it's for an even younger audience

>>150241553
Pokemon kinda trancnded by being such a cultural pillar worldwide. You can get away with enjoying it without having to make a cope video.

Remember a decade ago when half the population was playing Pokemon Go? You were the weird one if you weren’t playing it

>>150241562
I meant people insisting its for adults

>>150241458
You are wrong retard

>>150241621
Nobody insists Pokemon is for adults, but they insist that it SHOULD be for adults. That's why we get garbage like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDX1m0Y2Vkg

>>150241621
Does anyone do that? Most people into Pokemon are content with it being something for kids that they enjoy. Millennials who grew up with it are now having their own kids and the franchise is still just as popular

>>150241458
This
Anyone who disagrees is a mentally handicapped redditor

>>150240347 (OP)
>Oh yeah, this show clearly made to get kids' to buy toys clearly is much more mature than people think!
The sentence is probably true, depending on how much the writers cared about the property. You can't just write out a likely true sentence and assume we all find it as dumb as you do. Its like writing

>Oh yeah, the sun that's millions of miles away can radiate light on to Earth!

>>150241680
That opinion is made by mentally handicapped redditors you fag

>>150241704
Redditors would argue how their made for kids franchises are for all ages. So it should pander to them as well. I call bullshit

Oh so we aren’t talking about ninjago now? I swear this show is non existent here

>>150242083
Fucking hell, only Transformers can can count as for kids and i don't care about whatever you'll say since this shithole has regular shitflinging contests about The Owl House and Amphibia so shut up and suck my dick

>>150242105
Poor ninjago bro caught in the middle of a circle jerk thread

>>150241562
>>150241621
Aside from the anime, Pokemon was aimed at all ages in the past. Nowadays the entire franchise predominantly aimed at children because that's where the money is.

>>150241513
Are....you retarded?Anime is very lousy with people who jerk off how much more deep and mature all anime is even when they're mostly just consuming stuff aimed at younger demos.
Like I'll give them the excuse that even Japanese anime tends to be more lenient with what they qualify as a kids show but ultimately it's almost always still a kids show to some degree.

>>150241638
How?

Bluey is the worst example

>>150242762
>>150242163
I won't argue beyond this point

>>150242105
/co/ would tell you it's too kiddy, before making a post about Spongebob hit the bump limit.

>>150242776
There are people who try to argue that Bluey is deep and mature?

>>150242830
Anon, I....

>>150241458
One thing to account for is the landscape has now pushed for media to be far more youth centric even when older audiences are currently a larger demographic.
But you can't make a massive tentpole aimed at adults or sell a bunch of merchandise because adults have shit to do and bills to pay so it'd be way more competitive.
I'm also noticing people always ignore the teen demographic which is like 99% of the pop culture market rn.

>>150243016
>>150243050
HOW

>>150240347 (OP)
Because "yes, I do enjoy a kids' show" is not only an entirely different idea/subject from "this kids show is much more mature than people think" but the former is already insinuated for them to even make the latter claim so saying it would be redundant.

>>150241040
Isn’t it just Ninjago left now?
Like Dreamzzz is ending with season 4 I heard, along with the theme itself possibly.
Then there’s Monkie Kid which they made so fucking difficult to watch anywhere, plus that theme is dead too.
Ninjago outlived them all.

>>150243343
Ninjago is Legos most successful original theme ever. It even ended and came back due to children writing letters

>>150240347 (OP)
Anyone notice how none of these types of people watch anime?

>>150243718
It's because the anime they watch is already for adults so adding the "it's a kids' show" qualifier wouldn't be correct and the fact that mainstream anime like Dragon Ball aren't marketed like kids' shows in the west unlike in Japan where they are treated undisputedly as children's media so the idea of prefacing your dragon ball analysis with that fact simply doesn't occur to people.

>>150242163
>only Transformers
They're ALL kids series'

>>150244613
Wrong faggot, i don't care how much you blabber you wil always be wrong

>>150244648
Oh sure cause Spider-Man and Batman's literal preschool cartoons are totally for adults
Hey Anon, what's the average age of every new fan of those IPs again?

I don't think it's them saying it's mature, as much as it is them saying that it's darker than you'd think for a kids show.

>>150244815
Disignenuous r

>>150244839
What do you expect from a "kids series" to begin with?
Fucking Sesame Street talked about death

>>150244864
The average new fan of Marvel, DC, Godzilla, Star Wars, etc gets into those IPs as KIDS because those franchises appeal to KIDS and cater to them as a result
George Lucas built his media empire off of selling toys and other merchandise to KIDS

>>150245013
Bad faith argument

>>150240347 (OP)
I like the vengeful Snek lady from this Lego thing.

>>150243424
Galidor's failure and Bionicle's success were lessons LEGO took to heart when they made Ninjago.

>>150243164
Mostly just things like the "misscarriage/infertility" implications. It's ultimately the issue with you have a kids show that obviously respects its child audience as well as well as tries to appeal to parents watching that falls into "it's actually quite mature"

Because adults liking kids' shows has a stigma, if the rest of society just stopped stigmatizing liking kids' shows, people would stop making this argument

>>150240347 (OP)
What do we think of Dragon's Rising?
Seems this is my only chance of talking about it since Ninjago threads dont get replies for some reason.

>>150240347 (OP)
Who is that sexy lego girl?

>>150249480
Harumi aka "The Quiet One"

>>150249551
Ďoes she, at least have sexy fanart?.

>>150241513
I agree with you but in all fairness, what you get from a pre-teen show like DBZ or MHA is much different than what you get from Ben 10.

Unless stuff like the "darker" DC animated stuff is also targeted towards that demographic? I was never sure where those fell.

>>150251322
The content is different because of shit like broadcast standards & practices
Kids novels in comparison get away with much, MUCH worse because Soccer Moms don't take the time to comb through every page

>>150241458
>Godzilla is for kids
Depends on the movie desu you can't really say the original was aimed at kids

>>150251370
Neither were the original TMNT comics but we all know the franchise is for kids aside from very sparse shots
Godzilla is very much in the same boat
Why else do you think Minilla was made?

>>150240347 (OP)
Spongebob rollercoaster meme
Nu-adults feeling insecure
Slightly older teens feeling insecure
Devaluation of children's media

>>150240347 (OP)
Wasn't Batman The Animated Series partially made to sell toys?

>>150251640
Yeah, toy sales help fund action cartoons
No different from Gundam despite how Tomino did try to make it a serious show about war
Even with all the death and destruction, it's still for kids

>>150251452
Okay OG TMNT/Godzilla is not targeted for kids, but the following material is.
Happy?

>>150240347 (OP)
I cant even begin to imagine how severely autistic and maturely stunted one would have to be to make a video arguing some retarded Lego cartoon is actually super deep and mature. Its literally a 22 minute ad for Lego sets they probably don't even sell anymore

>>150251928
Lol

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>>150242790
Always funny seeing a legit autsitc manchild throwing a tantrum over his toys.

>>150245635
This will never happen.

>>150240455
I disagree. It's too neat answer and is essentially an attempt to hand wave the issue.

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>>150251322
It pisses me off that these days you couldn't make something with only as much violence and crude humor as DBZ without it being given a TV-MA rating like it were fucking South Park or Family Guy.

>>150242729
>is very lousy with people who jerk off how much more deep and mature all anime is even when they're mostly just consuming stuff aimed at younger demos.
Hah. Yeah.

Disney created the stigma of cartoons being for children in America and the entire medium suffered for a century because of it. Cartoon creators now have to put in a bunch of sex, violence and gore to compensate for this stigma.

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>>150252421
my friend and I are trying to develop a series of our own and I think tone wise we should aim for it for being for kids....but like how the japanese consider a kids show.

we wanted to make a show that could air on tv but with the way canadian television is going down the crapper, it seems less likely that dream could happen so we might as well just make it that young teen audience.

>>150251654
Wasn't Gundam the show Tomino was the least enthusiastic about making compared to the two Mutekis he directed?

>>150252047
Stfu trannyfaggot

>>150252549
Kys

OP opened up his Youtube recommendations and got upset enough to make a thread instead of hiding the video.

>>150252752
Cope

>>150252755
You can't hide videos. It'll come back to terrorize you eventually.

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>>150252811
This, I have "not interested" hit and shit shows back up a week later it doesn't do shit

>>150245947
Its one of best Lego shows AND one better written Cartoons I watched since 2010.

>>150240347 (OP)
I fucking hate ninjago because the sets were either a shitty huge car or a shitty mech every. Fucking. Year. Over designed garbage. Worst of all it killed any new Samurai/Ninja Castle stuff from ever appearing minus one CMF of a female samurai (sigh) and it made it so shit like Ninja swords and stars are now in that fucking awful gold pearl color.

>>150241238
This was honestly embarrassing.

>>150252851
Shit taste

>>150252866
Nope. This "you need to watch the show to enjoy the sets" shit that Lego keeps doing is fucking awful.

>>150252134
Then you will keep seeing this argument

>>150251928
damn an actually well put together goanimate cartoon?
makes a good point too, one or two more adult jokes doesn't really make a kids cartoon not a kids cartoon at the end of the day, they're really just funny things for the parent to overhear as their kid watches the show
this comment put it really well, a lot of these types try and use their nostalgia for admittedly good shows and try and twist and stretch what they like into something it isn't
It's really common in the toon side of the internet for people to try and justify their liking of kid stuff by amplifying certain elements to crazy degrees. Reminds me of people doing the same for liminal shit, like the dumbasses trying to stretch the emptiness and sometimes lonely feeling of early video games like SM64 into super scary slow burn horror or whatever

>>150252536
Then I think stop thinking in terms of demo and think more in terms of regulation. What would actually get you classified as too hardcore? Then just edge up as close to that line as you can while the actual subject matter gives zero fucks.

>>150241513
DBZ, MHA, and Demon Slayer are more pre-teen/teen shows, a Japanese kid's show is something like Precure or Pokemon, or if aiming for slightly older (but not quite pre-teen/teenaged) kids, something like Puniru.

>>150251928
Who was in the right here?

>>150241458
>all that shit
>no type of tranime mentioned whatsoever
i wonder who could be behind this post…
https://youtu.be/TBfWKmRFTjM

I'm starting to think that "children's shows" shouldn't exist.

>>150240347 (OP)
>Oh yeah, this show clearly made to get kids' to buy toys clearly is much more mature than people think!
He's right, though. Not because "ooh they le die" but because these shows actually take themselves seriously. Meanwhile, all "Adult" shows are "ironic" sardonic jokes that feel the need to always go
>lol bro this is a CARTOON, but like, an ADULT CARTOON where people say FUCK and have SEEX, loool! Isn't it funny and ironic???


Kid shows are more mature because they don't fall into self-referential meta "irony" that never takes itself seriously like they're some sort of teenager who's "too cool to care"

>>150240347 (OP)
Isn't that literally all comic book fandom for like 40 years? People be insecure.

>>150252851
The few times Ninjago did traditional samurai buildings were pretty good, I sadly missed out on some of the older ones, but yeah its nothing but dragons and mechs now.
There also was a male samurai CMF figure but since its older good luck getting it for cheap.

>>150245947
this shit is bussin

>>150240347 (OP)
Never forget that cartoon fans are notoriously insecure

>>150257471
Fag

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>>150242729
>>150251322
>>150252421
>>150252536
>>150254002
Don't listen to any of these faggots. Covid normalized Anime for Normies. That's the reason. Fuck you all. You know I'm fucking right.

>>150259714
You're retarded, anime has been mainstream for almost 30 years now, fucking Pokemon was the top rated kid's show back in the 90s, back when kids actually watched TV.

>>150255257
Clearly the adult. He listened to his annoying son even when he was being unfair, watched several scenes of cartoons he didn't care for and only lost it at something which he justified to his son who bitched at him even more

>>150252134
Then perhaps they could make works with some fucking compromise in their appeal? Adult fiction is mostly one-sided seething about society.

>Some guy points out scenes in a LEGO tv show that deviate from keeping toddlers glued to the screen
>Entire thred of spergs screeching about it
Shit never changes around here does it.

>>150260787
Yes, you retarded embarrassing faggot, most kids media that's not literally barney "learn the letters" shit has things that make it tolerable to watch for the FAMILY as in FAMILY SHOWS. This is not a new revelation. But you're a zoomoid subhuman so I guess you never actually did anything with your family.

autistic people dont like hearing that the content they consume on a regular basis is childish kids shit

>>150240347 (OP)
I think people now know how to 4chan bait everywhere now. Just say something patently dumb and inflammatory. Flamewars are just on the internet everywhere now and they are over even dumber stuff now..

>>150259649
Literally nobody who has ever said this has ever been incorrect regardless of what examples they choose

>>150240347 (OP)
What's even worse are the videos that are compilations of fan made shit with the same title.

>>150259649
>said with one of the most childish animated movies of the 2020s

>>150263495
Doesn't make what's being said incorrect, cinema isn't a measure of quality or maturity, it's just a fancy word for movie or alternatively a term for a movie theater

>>150241513
Anime is for children.

>>150240455
It's mostly this, spergy adults love children's shows but the more self-aware ones realize it's cringy for a grown man/woman to be obsessed with cartoons aimed at 7 year olds so they try to justify it by saying the bright cutesy merchslop is totally mature guys, really!

>>150240987
This is what most "Animation is for le everyone" retards sound like.

>>150260787
>deviate from keeping toddlers glued to the screen
YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT
KIDS CAN HANDLE DEATH
KIDS CAN HANDLE VIOLENCE
KIDS CAN HANDLE DRAMA AND STAKES AND MORAL DILEMMAS

>>150264788
Yes, and you're very smart for noticing it, honey.

>>150263799
Stfu tranny

>>150264754
Twitter's that way

Americans are hilarious

>>150252755
You can't do shit about it. I watch clips of cartoons that I enjoy and I'm constantly bombarded by autistic crap like this and videos titled "same voice actor"

>>150264788
Then watch what's on HBO you fucking retarded child.

>>150241561
Dragonball is one of the most popular cartoons ever made. Even people who are not into anime at all have seen it. Of course a normie Dragonball fan would agree that it's for kids because the average person that watched the show literaly is an actual normie. Only the most hardcore devoted braindead fans would try to argue otherwise

>>150240347 (OP)
I think that "children's stories" shouldn't exist. Making art specifically for children is infantilizing at best, mentally damaging at worst. It's the main reason why Disney adults are a thing and they have the literacy of children. It would be good if children's stories actually served a purpose in elevating a child into more adult content, but from what we've seen, that isn't the case. They're used by mass corporations to indoctrinate people into endless nostalgia loops and emotional attachment to their products.

Stories should be good no matter what age you read them at. Anything else is insulting the intelligence of children.

I think we're at a point now where you can't just make something and say "it's for children" since there's barely any market for it anymore. Everything is slowly becoming more and more for adults anyway. There's a natural tendency for children to look at works aimed at adults.

>>150265698
Speak for yourself schizo

>>150265986
your balls is schizo

>>150241238
wasn't a big reason because Warner still had one more mpvie contracted with Lego and it was about to expire if they didn't make one?

>>150243343
I still mourn Monkie Kid's fate, we were robbed of a sixth season.

>>150263799
Until a character shows her panties, then people want to ban it.

>>150265824
>they have the literacy of children
Anon that's most adults. Most people are retards.