Thread 150257370

What went right/wrong?

How did Teen Titans Go become the most successful DC series and property despite all the hate from Teen Titans fans and comics fans when other series like Young Justice flopped

>>150257370 (OP)
It's objectively a great series and probably one of Cartoon Network's best cartoons behind Uncle Grandpa, Gumball, Adventure Time and Steven Universe.

>>150257481
>Uncle Grandpa
Bait used to be belivable

>>150257370 (OP)
>Casual viewers have different taste than comic autists
Wow, such a mistery

>>150257370 (OP)
We're DC's Longest Running Animated Series, we're DC's Longest Running Animated Show! Only one can wear the crown and I tell ya that show it's Teen Titans, Go Go GO!

>>150257370 (OP)
You know how at Patreon there's this campaign named MITY with loli, toddler, bestiality and stuff and yet it never gets taken down by Patreon support because somebody there is a fan?
Well same thing for TTGO. Exchanging the TOS breaking content with a shitty cartoon, of course.

Honestly the focus people put on shit like
>it's the longest running ___!
> ____ has over 10 million views!
> _____ has 500 episodes and counting
Always perplexes me because even despite these things, nobody over the age of 13 even talks about TTG unless it's to shit all over it. It's the same thing when a movie makes 2 billion dollars but leaves absolutely no cultural impact and isn't even held to the standard of being a "beloved classic". Nobody actually likes James Cameron's Avatar movies, but they made a lot of money. Nobody even talks about them. The real mark of a culturally significant show is how people interact with it, and "baby's first superhero cartoon runs for 15 years because it's the only thing the channel runs" isn't much to be proud of.

>>150257370 (OP)
>fart show for babies is watched by babies
Shocking

>>150257481
>>150257505
KEK

The people who were kids when TTG started airing are now old enough to post clips of the show on TikTok and honestly all the bits I've seen were pretty good. It's pretty funny, accessible to kids and with something for comic fans too. I'd never sit down and watch it, but after a few months of seeing a clip every once in a while I can soundly say that you'd have to be a faggot to get mad at it.

>>150257370 (OP)
Cheap to make.
CN killed off any other viable options.

>>150257370 (OP)
The gap between Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go! was significant enough that the hate didn't really matter. It was all people who had aged out of the target demographic.

>>150257370 (OP)
It's incredibly cheap to make. They say it themselves in the 200th episode that they shit these things out in a week. Makes it cheap for sponsors as well.

Like a lotta shows, its got a couple good episodes but most of it is utter shit. I stopped watching around the fifth season.

>>150257791
i'm just mad the first animated show will be forever eclipsed by it

They are making fun of Dick Grayson in TT GO

I dont like that

By appealing to children

>>150258272
Wtf you're talking about that show is still loved and known despite TTGO existing, just search threads about it on the archive

>Greg Cipes says he was fired by Warner Bros from voicing Beast Boy after over 20 years.

>He says he was fired the day after he announced that he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s

>>150257370 (OP)
>hate from comics fans
I don't think about Teen Titans Go at all.
There's nobody from TTG coming to the comics insisting they need to do comics about Lady Legasus or the Booty Scooty.
The Murakami Titans fans were obnoxious, and "synergy" ruined the franchise for 20+ years.

>>150257370 (OP)
It basically replaced Looney Tunes as the wacky comedy that little kids love.

>>150257370 (OP)
longest run≠best show
the Shitsons is there to prove that a ridiculously long run doesn't equal to quality. At least Shitsons was pretty good during the first 1/4 of its run, unlike TTGO that is a turd from the get go

Don't worry. Everyone will act like it's an underrated masterpiece starting in 2023. Just you wait.

>2013-14/Season 1 and 2
When the series first started a lot of people were mad that they got this as a full series instead of a final season of 03. People also hated the way the characters acted. I think this was when its hate was at its most irrational. I never really understood how people absolutely loathed this but liked Rock Lee and his Ninja Pals when that and Go! (season 1) were essentially the same show.
>Story-driven animated series gets sitcom-y spinoff with the characters chibified and their traits and personalities exaggerated
>2014-18/Seasons 2-4
1. The show's humor takes an inconsistent turn.
2. Autistic youtube cartoon reviewers have been hate farming this show every other week
3. The Titans have become exaggerations of their already exaggerated selves (as if they took one episode from seasons 1 and 2 and applied it to each titan)
4. there's more potty humor, and they're now starting to mock the people that hate the show.
5. its place on the channel's schedule is also starting to be overtly prominent which pisses more people off, including people that were indifferent to the show
>seasons 4-7/2018-2022
The hateboner those youtubers had for the show went flaccid, they tired themselves out basicaly. But the vocal hate dying down doesn't mean it's gone. Pretty much everyone either blames it or associates it with CN dying because of the schedule problem. And between 2017 and 2022, a lot of good CN shows were screwed over, left to rot and cancelled and a lot of people either blame TTG or have some bitterness towards it because they hate the fact that much better shows got treated like shit while Go! is still going. It's essentially an animated boogeyman.
>Season 7-9/2022-now
Mostly the above stuff but also now younger fans who grew up not minding or even liking TTG find out what happened to CN will begin to hate the show too. CONT

>>150262728
TLDR: It went on 8 years too long and the schedule screwed it majorly. That's what went wrong. What went right was that despite its flaws, the mean spirited humor can sometimes be funny, the songs can sometimes be catchy, it's a treasure trove of DC references, the whole equity/rental property shit they keep doing is hilarious to people for some reason, and there are quite a few episodes where they change its animation/art style and they're usually awesome. When it hits its lowest lows, it's like the worst Canadian cartoon you've ever seen mixed with modern family guy, but its highs are what you'd see from an early/classic CN cartoon.

So will they just replace him? Or will his coworkers who has been working with for 20 years support him?

>>150260454
>There's nobody from TTG coming to the comics insisting they need to do comics about Lady Legasus or the Booty Scooty.
There should be.

>>150260454
>>150262937
TTG has its own comics.

>>150257370 (OP)
Nothing specifically went wrong, it was just the pet show of the president of the network during its formative years. Pretty much same reason Spongebob lasted so long. Turns out it's hard for a show to fail when it gets 70% of all of the timeslots for the first 5 years of its existence, killing any and all superior shows due to them being given no chance to actually succeed.

I don't hate the show, but it is only "Just fine" one of those shows like Kick Buttowski or Ghost & Molly McGee, deserved about 3 seasons, but not much beyond that. The show runners made a deal with satan to get it going as long as it has. Personally, i stopped paying attention after season 3, because it just stopped having anything relevant to say or do. It just exists.

Plus as far as the "Time to accept" It's not a thing that needs to be accepted, it's probably going to be. Unless some other DC show gets the kind of rocket strapped to its back by a major network that refuses to allow it to fail or be cancelled, then yeah, i don't see anything else lasting 10 or 11 seasons or however long it's been going.

>>150262887
Again, there HAS to be more to this. Getting fired for a medical diagnosis is a violation of the law, so there's more to this unless WB is being brazen.

>>150257370 (OP)
I straight up stop caring

>>150257587
Wait what?

>>150263151
But could he have possibly done to be fired from a company he has worked for for 20 years? Pedo? Murderer? It can’t gather anything from his social media besides a couple of schizo posts.

>>150263149
>lubavitch
No fucking way

I will not watch your baby show until there's one explicit poop joke included in it.

>>150263149
Is that from the 2013 comics? What issue?

>>150263608
We want Moshiach NOW!

>>150257370 (OP)
As long as we see Star and Raven's naked butts at least one point before it ends it'll be worth it

>>150257370 (OP)
Kids generally prefer comedy and bright colors to action series with more realistic color schemes.
So as a children's television series, Teen Titans Go was smart to shift in a direction most superhero media doesn't really go to.

TTG, seemingly, became Cartoon Network's Spongebob, dominating their programing, mostly to the acceptance or delight of children across America.
And to the immeasurable dismay of die-hard original Teen Titans fans

I still don't get why the 2003 one ran for such a short time but this awful abomination that came tem years later is still running. Why didn't the producers make it a revival of the 2003 one instead?

>>150258272
Dude you can go to, like, any Walmart in America and visit the dvd section and they'll sell a number of copies of the completed collection of the original Teen Titans show.
It left a huge impact on many people.

I wouldn't be surprised if, decades on, the original show would be more remembered. Since most the kids who watched and enjoyed TTG, probably aren't passionate enough about it to get their kids to watch it, or talk about it once they age out of watching cartoons.

>>150262801
I would love to make a children's cartoon and have cart blanche to throw in references to 1960s politics that no member of the audience will know.

>>150257370 (OP)
>filler series

>>150265348
Action shows don't make as much money as comedies. They cost more to make and tend to get less viewership.
This applies to live action and animation.

>>150265348
I mean just imagine it. You've just come out of CN real because Teenagers don't watch cartoons (just children and nostalgic college students), you're trying to age down the audience, Generator Rex and Sym-Bionic Titan were "cult classics" instead of "hits", and you've got a guy from MAD looking for a job. You wanna bring back Teen Titans and bring in the kids. What do you make?

>>150257370 (OP)
It has the same feel as TikTok brainrot that parents who don't want to raise their kids properly can just turn on to shut their child up for a while

>>150265576
Fag

>>150265551
>Kennedy, Nixon, Castro
>not know

>>150259905
Never paid attention to him before but he’s one of those people who thinks crystals, coffee, and their own piss will fix their illnesses lmaooo

Teen Titans Go was just the exact right show for its time.

>The rise of mobile games killed physical toys. Action animation died and comedies started dominating the industry.
>The rise of streaming platforms and binge culture killed serialized cable TV. Episodic animation started dominating the industry.
>The rise of clip culture killed 30-minute run times. 15-minute half-episodes started dominating the industry.
>The rise of anime killed western cartoons for teenagers. Grade school animation started dominating the (western) industry.
>The ongoing rise of cord-cutting is killing cable TV. The media conglomerates see the writing on the wall. They won't invest in new IPs for a dying medium. So they just keep doubling down on the last big hit each of them had.

Teen Titans Go, SpongeBob Squarepants, and Phineas & Ferb are the last three cable TV cartoons. They're just waiting for everyone else to leave the building before they turn off the lights for good.

>>150257505
i was going to write this exact post

>>150257370 (OP)
Greg Cipes apparently got fired recently, so who knows how long that will last

>>150265348
Cartoon Network had the crew re-pitch the show as "New Teen Titans" and also had the JLU crew do the same. Register then turned down both pitches, supposedly due to some internal factors of CN wanting to take on less DC licenses.
By the time TTGo happened, so many of the crew moved on and it seems some of them are so burnt out by fans asking "WHEN SEASON 6?", they block or clown on them the way Brianne Drouhard does.

>>150268760
Forgot to post; https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1964792967870484954

>>150262728
>associates it with CN dying because of the schedule problem
CN filling up all their TV slots with TTG is a big symptom of the "all or nothing" mindset plaguing media industries. If it's not a major hit, it's a failure.
I miss the old days of the 00's when there was real variety. If you weren't the biggest fan of Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, you might like Billy & Mandy. If you didn't like MLaaTR, you might like Kim Possible. The creators could also flex their ideas more. Writers could move from show to show and really hit their stride. Now if somebody wants to write a comedy cartoon, their 2 options are Spongebob or TTG.

why did it fail?

>>150257370 (OP)
>how did it become "successful" when cartoon network oversaturated the schedule by constantly airing one show ad nauseum?!?!

>>150257568
>>150257370 (OP)
>the most successful DC series and property
Longest running cartoon on a d-list cable channel is meaningless.

Stop 100 people in London, Tokyo, Moscow, Atlanta, Rio, etc. and show them pictures of long running televised cartoons (say The Simpsons, TTG, Flintstones, and your pick of any other 3-4 shows) and TTG will rarely be the top pick, and probably not even in the top three and possibly not even in the top 5, for any city or any country, including any country in the USA. Simpsons or Flintstones will likely top most lists, and other older shows like The Jetsons, or Sponge Bob will likely rank higher in the next tier.

>>150265576
cope

>>150257370 (OP)
It's very fun to work on
Writers don't have to deal with many restrictions, no bat embargos, access to the entire WB character pool

>>150270436
Cartoon Network had triple the viewership of Fox News when TTG started. Now Fox News has 30x the viewers.

>>150267808
Marijuana helps Parkinson's, it doesn't cure it, but it helps you deal with it.

>>150263253
Look it up lol. It's about Avatar and in book 3 you bang loli Toph all the time, and in book 4 you do toddler Korra after she takes a potion to age down, and there are also scenes where she's punished and her giant dog does her.
That stuff is on Patreon and they don't give a shit. Now you or any other artist opens a Patreon with any of those things and don't last a week before they kill your campaign and ban you.

I still don't know what CN's end game was with the TTG spam. Their ratings very clearly suffered from it, even taking into account kids abandoning cable, but they doubled down on said spam anyway. They stopped spamming it a few years ago, but it damaged the network's reputation so badly that people still talk about it.

>>150257791
>>150257370 (OP)
If you are confused about the show's success, watch clips of the show on YouTube and you will realize that it is designed for ultra short attention spans.

>>150273316
What did you expect? A bunch of reruns of
>Apple & Onion
>Clarence
>Uncle Grandpa
>We Bare Bears
>Unikitty
>Steven Universe
>Mighty magiswords
>Season 6-10 Adventure Time
>Season 6-8 Regular Show
?

>>150258272
The original TT has to be one of the most overrated comic book shows ever. It’s not even that good

>>150267808
it would probably have helped if he didn't put beast boy in all his crystal shit too

>>150257370 (OP)
>How did Teen Titans Go become the most successful DC series
is funnee

>>150273668
Wrong fag

>>150271130
The lack of a bat embargo makes working on a project like this a dream. They don't even care if you put canon pedophiles in the show. You can do whatever you want

>>150275243
They like using Doctor Light but have yet to put in a Identity Crisis reference

>>150275285
If I had a nickel for every pedophile that appeared in TTG...

>>150263061
>has its own comics.
that barely sell
no one goes on the shelf thread and brags on their hard cover omnibus of The Complete Teen Titans Go!

>>150257370 (OP)
Teen Titans Go! is relatively cheap, fast and simple to make. Johnny Test had a similar advantage. They were cheap and easy enough to make that they could get away with having fewer viewers to justify the cost. A more expensive show like Young Justice would need to consistently bring in a huge amount of views to pay for itself.

>>150257370 (OP)
No idea. I could tell I wouldn't like it so I never watched it. No desire to hate-watch. No desire to argue about it. Just didn't give it any time

>>150276215
>whip cracking intensifies

>>150257370 (OP)
Most kids are autistic.