Thread 150257740

What went wrong?
or right?

>>150257740 (OP)
Style over substance.

>>150257740 (OP)
Pan not having better ideas

>>150257740 (OP)
I just want porn of Bianca and the other shortstacks. I gave the pilot a chance and it wasn't for me. Also Pan voicing like 4 characters just made it unbearable for me.

>>150257740 (OP)
I was expecting this place to be filled with threads either hating or at least talking about the show. But it seems that no one really cares wich is kinda sad

>>150258101
The last thread had more posts, but we're done talking about it now. The lore is shallow it's just western Shonen slop.

>>150257740 (OP)
>What went wrong?
I heard all the girls were lesbians, and that would make me not want to watch it. Shame too, because the main character girl is cute.

>>150257740 (OP)
I think it has a lot of heart and style put into it and it should be inspirational to anyone who lacks animation experience or good hardware who think they can't start working on projects for their because they don't think they are ready too. I like Pan he's one of the very few likeable animation YouTubers out there.
But goddamn if he didn't learn anything from the adultswim pitch. The world building is still a convoluted mess. Most humans are so cartoony that most of them look like IRL's. The subject matter and world just make no sense. Bianca wants to "pitch a cartoon". In a world were cartoons characters can come to life. How does that work? And this is more personal but Pan's style is kinda ugly for me.
But this is one of those cases that even if I don't like the show honestly I hope it does well and gets a fanbase.

>>150257740 (OP)
I guess the dropbox wasn't real

>>150258101
>>150213828
>>150238082

>>150257740 (OP)
>Daftpina (Dovendraw) credited as co-writer
Dear God

>>150258177
They are also all either fiending for goth girls or are goth girls, much like my little SISSSTAH, in all her nightmare before Christmas loving, Hot Topic shopping glory, god I want her to step on my dick in a funny brother and sister way

>>150257740 (OP)
Pan, we know you make these threads yourself.

>>150257740 (OP)
I honestly had a better time watching this than whatever the fuck that kiwi troon shat out last week. And that's not saying much since they're both pretty terrible, except one has better writing.

>LS Mark made a cartoon
>Pan made a cartoon
When will Enter step back in and finish what he started?

>>150258517
The only inspiring part is that he somehow convinced a dozen other animators, 3d modelers, and musicians to pitch in for a budget of 15k

>>150258733
When will these cartoon reviewers learn that their cartoons are fucking shitty?

>>150257740 (OP)
The opening sequence was cool and had cool vibes; Pan knows how to set the tone with music. I watched it with my mom and the first thing she said was, what's an IRL? That little tidbit of saying how they're different from humans was not enough to explain the concept. Then I had to pause again to explain that they use IRLs to fight like pokemon. Now thats two times I had to stop and explain. Anytime the audience has to ask "what's going on?" You've already lost. Pan had many moments in here where that happened. We only get a brief segment where we meet the main girl in a Y2k outfit change with text that goes by way too quickly, I feel like we should've met the main characters first. It's supposed to be the first episode, like why is she with Loki? What is any of this? Her motivation of getting a cartoon should be plainly stated instead of being an offhand comment you can easily miss. The art was surprisingly drawn poorly in places. There were times when I thought it wouldve looked great if a professional drew the characters. And the animation sequences made the main girl look surprisingly 3D with lots of volume which I didn't really like since the style is more flat. The final fight at the end where everyone was saying the animation goes crazy I didn't think looked that great, but also, it was trying to be that one ending fight of One punch man in space but it was completely unreadable. Anime fights already get flack for how confusing and hard to follow they are but this was ridiculous. Didn't know who was attacking who. Milky mint and Loki just blended together at times. Animation is about clarity of action, you never want it that muddled. Not only that, but the shots kept going! It was shot after shot of unclear staging in the fight, where I kind of checked out at a certain point in disbelief someone could make something this confusing-looking. Though when it works and you can feel the scale of the world and it's potential, it's cool as shit.

>>150258101
What is there to say or latch onto? I was gonna say "It's just another generic [X]", but I actually had trouble thinking of what to describe Loki IRL as lmao. It's hard to even say much about the pilot because it's such a nothing story. The world isn't particularly inviting because it has no unique texture (the OC concept means anything can exist so there's no world-building niche to draw you in like "a world of cool/cute beasts and tamers" or "a world of superheroes"). Tone-wise it doesn't play it as either a comedy or as serious, so that's not appealing. The designs are alright? It clearly wants to be P&S/Super Milk-chan/similar Y2K type art, but it reads as an aping of those other works without the sheer talent and vision behind them. Loki IRL is just a whole lot of nothing.

>>150258836
>I watched it with my mom
cringe momma's boy

>>150258733
Pan made a cartoon.
LS Mark paid other people so he could larp as a cartoonist.

>>150259005
To be fair if they actually got their cartoons pitched they wouldnt animate those themselves
Direct the plots of the episodes, some story boarding but the actual animation would be done by others
Pan also got guest animators in his pilot

>>150259049
My bottom line is that I have no respect for any creator who isn't willing to put their fair share of effort into a project.
Making 300 Youtube videos about Butch Hartman isn't a real job and doesn't qualify you to make a cartoon. At least Pan actually did some of the work.

Anybody know the track that plays at start of the pilot during the battle? Sounds like Sonic Rush/Jet Set Radio?

>>150258836
>The opening sequence was cool and had cool vibes
Opening sequence is easily one of the worst parts of the whole dumspter fire of a pilot.

this is just sad. its like if ian jones-quartey created a labor of love but was utterly talentless and somehow more cringe but not in any charming or endearing way. gaudy and asinine is the best way to put it. it actually made me depressed because of how much effort and care was obviously involved but its just so bad its unwatchable unless youre the type who cant avert their eyes when witness to a tragedy. its a major blackpill and it has really altered my mood and perhaps even beliefs on passion the creative pursuit and spirit

>>150257740 (OP)
>right
I like the art style and fuckable shortstack characters, but that's about it though.

>wrong
I don't like Pan as a voice actor, so hearing him voice like 3-4 characters wasn't fun. The dialogue seems forced at times, and the story isn't that engaging.

I give a 5/10

>>150259971
Oh and the soundtrack is good too, forgot to include that in things it does right.

>>150257740 (OP)
https://youtu.be/xV790DMI1F0

>updated the thumbnail to include sexy women in skintight suits
He saw less than 100k views in a day and went nuclear.

>>150260742
youtube shenanigans rotates between several thumbnails and lets the uploader know which does better. it's different now

also wait, why did it say december 2026 in the trailer if it was out the next day? just a prank?

>>150261523
>The best indie animated pilot
Now I hope this shit fails.

>>150261523
Obviously though he should have atleast push the date back and hype up the pilot abit over that time (Bring more awareness atleast)

why doesn't he open his mouth when he talks?

10 minutes in and i feel like it's throwing you a lot of exposition and this is a 31 minute long episode. you have moments of exposition and other times where nothing happens but you wish they could tell you what's happening. Also IRL ART is such a mouthful name.
Pan has a lot of ideas for this show but he should take things slow

Y2k aesthetic bastardization and oversimplification of thick outline/shape based character design to the point it becomes unappealing and nonsensical.

>>150258584
that explains why it's so shit

How many of his fans and that crowd of people are in denial about this being good?

The webcomic before and after the reboot was already bad, so it's no shock there it's just not a good concept with poor art also the comic has some of the worst page layouts I've seen, mainly because he was too lazy to look at comics to learn how to build pages.

>>150258584
who?

>>150257740 (OP)
Why is every human fat?

>>150262462
there are also ad breaks at minutes 9 and 13

why did he make a 31 minute pilot? didn't he review enough cartoons to know they're typically 22?

>>150257740 (OP)
It’s rough and definitely a rough proof of concept pilot

>>150262710
Cause it's sexy.

>>150257740 (OP)
i really don't care for pans art style. its very hard to follow, the shapes of his characters is unique yes but the directions of all the lines is nonsensical and makes it difficult to comprehend character details. i'm not good at putting my feelings into words. also i know its not perfect because its just a pilot/proof of concept thing but i feel like i shouldn't have to go out of my way to remind myself "don't be too hard on it, its just a pilot" that often when i'm watching through the thing

I found this joke funny.

for a pilot is not a bad first try but Pan really need to take a step back and go easy with the exposition. He shoots all his load in this first video leaving us with no sense of wonder. He made an attempt of a shonen style story but in all shonen you need to expand the battle mechanic and strategy and i don't know if Pan is familiar with it

He just confirmed adult swim did fund it partially on stream

Jaden Smith's anime was better than this.

>>150261523
is Loki someone's OC or is the girl's OC? also are we talking of an OC named Loki or an interpretation of Loki the nordic god?

>>150263589
"The economy is in shambles" did it for me ngl

why can't anyone do toons living with humans right?

>>150263663
normally i'd say watch the pilot but you're not missing much

it's the girl's OC in a world where OCs come to life. just some drawing with loki's name, not a reincarnation

>>150263663
Loki is stated in the comic that he is 4kids version of a anime villain iirc (pilot doesn't go into detail but it's hinted at with the lollipop in his mouth).

>>150263698
Bonkers did it and had a clever way to differentiate humans from cartoons by making humans have off colors while toons having more vivid color palette.
Pan mentions the sketchy lines are a way to tell humans from OC's but the problem is humans don't look so much different from OCs besides skin colors

pan's talking about IRL fucking on stream

>>150263846
The difference is barely noticeable even if you're looking for it he also goes and gives one of the main human characters very weird skin patterns

Why do you idiots refuse to use the subject name so you can find the thread at all? Anyway

Did everyone talk about the bad choreography, bad audio mixing, loser characters and make comparisons to many other sports, toy commercials and monster tournament shows? I read through some of the 500 reply thread, but none of them go into detail, at most barely 5 people barely mention about the superpower not being used.
I'm asking so that I don't have to do a review on it. Most of the zoomers here seem incapable of going into details and especially comparisons to other shows to form a concrete perspective.


I read Pan's comic and it was far better than the pilot, while ironically also saying back then that Loki's "fairplay" was a "little" retarded and Bianca as a future character doesn't work and should be replaced ... and that was when Biance & Loki weren't losing for 33 minutes straight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLVU2jHUBeI

>>150258584
What did she work on?

How much of this shit excuse for a "passion project" can be reported for stolen music and sound effects? Pan is so fucking useless he can't even get an AI to make some original sounds and voices for him. Nah, he's gotta copy and steal.

>>150257740 (OP)
>>150258733
>ls mark cartoon
"hey furries you want to fuck these furry cartoon characters?"
3.7million views =yes, sign me up
>izzyizzy cartoon
"hey basedboys you want to fuck these woke chicks?"
500k views =ok, they align with us politically sounds good
>pan pizza cartoon
hey yall want to fuck these shortstack these goth girls
87k views=oh goth girls, from the 90's eh.. sure we remember those, peak boomer gooner bait!

pan doesn't realize his fetish is very niche', goth girl fetish is barely a thing anymore only liked by boomers in their 30's, if pan was a furry his cartoon pilot would have way more views!

>>150266191
>hey yall want to fuck these shortstack goth girls*

i dont know how "these" slipped in there twice but you get what im saying. also wtf is a "basedboy"? 4chan censored another word changing it into something else? lmao, the absolute state of this place, smdh.

Pan...watch Zenshuu, maybe it would help you define how your shonenslop functions

The fuck you mean "what went wrong" or right didn't this just come out?
Shouldn't you wait a few days before making such a conclusion

>main girl is a dyke
nothing wrong but you could've throw a good joke like how conceptualizing Loki's moveset and weapons is hard for her and maybe it would've been easier if she made a girl oc instead

>>150266191
I think goth chicks still have broad appeal but the problem here is that Pan doesn't know how to make attractive designs

>>150266191
The fetish isn't niche. His horrible artstyle just makes it unappealing.

>>150266343
One of the few times I see an antisocial NEET "tomboy" girl who isn't a mute retard in a Japanese production. Hell this shit is rare even in American & European media. The dutch guy who made Ongezellig could have learned from this when writing for Maya, just like Pan could have learned from when writing for Bianca.


Finally an obnoxious socially awkward character who's actually funny to watch rather than a complete predictable failure comedy relief you feel sorry for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWz8gpRfxDM&list=PLRe9ARNnYSY6D4SSm6bUq4dzhpzP7uwOA&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNgCywXf32M&list=PLRe9ARNnYSY6D4SSm6bUq4dzhpzP7uwOA&index=7

>>150257740 (OP)
I'm actually impressed. I don't like how incomprehensible Pan's art style is but he managed to somehow animate it decently. All he needs to do now is keep letting the animation carry because the rules of this world are as incomprehensible as his character designs.

>>150266357
Mr. Enter fans mad they have to wait another 20 years for the Growing Around pilot while we have our surprisingly not shit rebel taxi pilot that's actually the length of a real cartoon episode

>>150257740 (OP)
Lots of shit.

I wanna give bianca a kiss

>>150257740 (OP)
>the right:
colorful art
decent animation
cool backgrounds
biancas struggle as an artist is relatable
fun y2k aesthetic even if its cliche
fun premise
>the bad
the artstyle doesnt help the story it wants to tell. as many said human and IRLs look the same
pan voices multiple characters
overcrowded plot.
magic system is soft and not in a good way. saying technical terms like line of action and rotoscoping isnt worldbuilding
overall 7/10 flawed but fun

>>150263698
patty cake patty cake baker's man

>>150257740 (OP)
>What went wrong?
I didn't care for the stakes

>>150263632
$200 anon, it was fucking $200

>>150262710
Lol why not

>>150262802
Emphasis on Rough.

>>150258101
Only thing you can say is that there were action scenes, most indie pilots right now are just people talking about shit

>>150262679
Guy who can't draw but managed to make himself popular and known in the online art scene by talking about and platforming artists while also occasionally smearing people he didn't like in between all that
Eventually he found himself in deep shit because he convinced a retard into thinking exposing LS Marks personal love life was a good idea. Daft did this because he knew how much shit would come his way if he did this himself so he told some other guy to do it instead under the guise of "helping" Mark. Daft tried to claim none of this was his fault and eventually rebranded as Dovendraws even though he cannot draw
He abandoned his old youtube channel for Dovendraws and doesn't do drama videos anymore but Daft's a faggot who convinced Pan to dump his old friend group for a new, cool and unreliable friend group. It's only a matter of time until Daft ends up trying to smear another artist because he doesn't like them

>>150269280
>overcrowded plot.
I hate to be "that" guy, but the plot was pretty simple and straight forward, I understand your confusion, with endless exposition and lore dumps and characters being shown and mentioned, but the flow of the plot never derailed for a second. did you even watch the whole thing?

the plot is as follows
>people fight with drawings
>main girl who "draw fights" has no confidence/over thinks shit to the point of not doing anything
>black girl is considered the best draw fighter is forced to fight main girl because her boss told her to for ratings
>main girl gains confidence/ability to not give a fuck and just have fun mid fight with black professional famous girl
>future episode teased with cursed gem lore dump and mentions
>roll credits

>>150271186
>Two green people are there for... Some reason... Are they IRLs? They have green skin. But I think they aren't??
>Two sidekicks to the black girl are there... For some reason
>What does "line of action" do? It's not really followed up on in the animation or properly explained. Big problem for your main ability in a battle tournament series
The pilot is pretty messy, the voice acting and animation mistakes don't help either. Would need more polish to get any attention

>>150271186
I said overcrowded. Not over complicated. It was just really loredumpy and highstakes. In one episode we got:
>art is real
>art engages in cock fights for fun.
>our protagonist is struggling with confidence issues in winning these battles
That’s enough for a pilot. This is where it gets bloated
>art influencers exist
>this thing called rotoscoping exists and it’s super powerful
>actually it isn’t it’s actually really really weak and shit
>also Loki has this hidden power he refuses to use up until now
If I were to fix it I would’ve cut out rotoscoping. Save it for that montage of her getting beat. Instead have her fight another line of action user. Hint at wi fi curse but don’t mention it much. Also don’t have Bianca fight one of the strongest influencers and win a match since that just makes them look like jobbers. Have her fight someone lower level or have her get obliterated 0-2 but learn something.

>>150269419
yes partially funded

>>150266357
I can't wait. I want it to fail faster.

>>150262710
Bianca isn't fat, she's just big boned...in the right places

>>150266191
>izzyizzy cartoon
She made a cartoon?

>>150272941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP9pa0F8bfs&ab_channel=Izzzyzzz

>>150273567
I don't get it, nothing happened. They all just complained about their shitty day, and then climbed on top of a billboard in a burning city. What kind of pilot is this?

>>150273886
Zoomers don't care about things like plot or character development. It's all about the viiiiibe.

>first screen is just him lowering himself and begging for mercy regarding reasonable expectations
fag energy

>>150273567
Man that sucked ass.
I want to fuck izzy's face and ruin her makeup

>>150273988
The kids call it "aura" grandpa.

>>150257740 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Dropping a trailer 2 days before releasing the pilot. Did Pan just think Loki IRL would sell itself or something?

>>150258836
>I watched it with my mom
lol

Can someone explain the wifi shit? The fuck does wifi have to do with cartooning and why is it a powerup only they can use?

>>150275483
Basically tech steroids I guess

>>150272404
rude

>>150274648
This. Trailer should’ve been out a week or two before so enough hype could build and word could spread a little longer.

>>150257740 (OP)
>What went wrong?


>"My show is about about characters fighting"
>Okay so are YOU the person making/directing said series experienced in making action scenes?

>>150274648
Yes, he still thinks he's THE guy talking about cartoons as if there aren't a thousand others now.

>>150258584
He really cant help not hopping off that dude’s dick god damn