Thread 150277983

Is there a mainstream comic character that fans hate more than Paul?

>>150277983 (OP)

Very unlikely. Paul is a special case because he was specifically created to cuckold Peter Parker make the fans angry.

Paul is probably second only to Gwenpool in regards to being the most known Marvel character in the past decade to non-readers

Let me tell you of the ancient horror of Terry Long...

>>150277983 (OP)
Why are they so obsessed with this character anyway that he needs to remain even without any relation to MJ or Peter

>>150277983 (OP)
>Crystal

>>150278015
Why did they do that, anyway? What was their justification?

>>150278397
Not even the most disliked inhuman.

>>150278397
She's hated? Like she's been involved in all kinds of nonsense romantic drama, but doesn't really get in the way of something popular. And she's usually at least a pretty good mother.

What if Toxin abandons Rick Jones and partners up with Paul? Literal toxic relationship

>>150278871
I have Paul fatigue.

>>150278825
>>150278735
>>150278397
Crystal is a well liked and time honored member of both the FF and Avengers

>>150277983 (OP)
Current or all-time?

I honestly can't think of a time when the editorial was this spiteful to their fans

>>150278722
Because it's funny to watch the Spider-Cucks come up to the til with lips trembling, tears streaming down their face, muttering "g-gotta have my webhead..." as the pay out the ear for the next humiliation ritual.

>>150279028
What about Cry for Justice when Roy's daughter died?

>>150279028
DC Comics gave Nightwing brain damage, turned him into an amnesiac cabbie, and published a book about it for 2.5 years straight.
For how dumb Paul is, he's a supporting character that barely appears in USM.

>>150278722
Because they thought rage baiting the fans would get them more sales

>>150279053
Don't forget Rise of Arsenal and Wallace Titans. Roy having heroin-induced whiskey dick. It was a humiliation ritual.

>>150279068
And to say nothing about Jon Kent

>>150279099
>And to say nothing about Jon Kent
He is mostly a failed attempt to virtue signal as a gay son of Superman. So mostly "Yeah that happened". The most hated moment was earlier when Bendis decided to age him up.

>>150278825
It's less hate and more getting a reputation as a Ho. Someone in editorial must have hated her ass to let that cheating shit go through twice.

>>150277983 (OP)
I don't know about fan in general.
On /co/ at least, Miles gets more hate, judging from the number of posts. Of course, he's been around longer than Paul.

>>150279386
they double that with the tranny and Jon anon.
Not even Clark and Lois sees jon as their kid anymore

>>150277983 (OP)
Well fuck you too, Ewing.

>>150278722
Is it really that hard to believe that Marvel editorial sincerely hates you all, and thinks your suffering is hilarious? They just prove people g-g-gotta get their s-spider-m-m-man!!! even when he's literally being cucked by some scraggly bearded weirdo.

>>150279986
Give him time. I'm sure Paul will surpass even Miles hate when he becomes the savior of the multiverse in half a year while Peter is still looking for spare change to pay off his rent.

>>150280702
Is not ewing to blame
IS FUCKING TOM BREVOORT, NICK LOWE, ZEB WELLS AND ALL OF THE OMD FAGS STILL AT THE FUCKING OFFICES

>>150277983 (OP)
That's still vanishing, but slowly.

>>150280702
>Is it really that hard to believe that Marvel editorial sincerely hates you all, and thinks your suffering is hilarious?
Yeah. Exclusively because Marvel is a real business and the people working for it could be out of a job and literally fucking starve IRL because they tried acting like internet trolls putting shit out to rage bait. Legitimately, it is tough to believe anyone would be that retarded unless they're working for free as a fuck around thing like you or I could. Even if its true, its legitimately tough for me to understand how anyone could be so stupid.

>Yeah, I'm out of a job now, but it was funny to mildly inconvenience the people who we're losing to anime and manga for literally a couple of minutes.

>>150277983 (OP)
>Is there a mainstream comic character that fans hate more than Paul?

Miles Morales.

>>150281147
>Marvel is a real business
>Legitimately, it is tough to believe
I mean, hear me out.
Look at Warner Bros. They’re a real business too.
Look at how they treat their IPs.

Yes anon, even if they are not JUST IP farms for a much more profitable movie franchise, sometimes corpos really are that stupid and petty. Yes, given the chance to earn a living doing a nominally creative endeavour some people really would invest all their time and energy in making other people mildly annoyed. Think about it like shitposting, but you receive a living wage for it.

>>150280797
Ewing is still culpable for bending the knee to them.

>>150281893
>Think about it like shitposting, but you receive a living wage for it.
No, its like shitposting, but you earn a living wage for it, and then some asshole says "We lost money on that last venture so w have to do mass layoffs, pack your things up".

And then, despite that scary shit happens, the team all comes together and says "Lets do it again!" and then layoffs happen AGAIN and people have to go home and say "I hope I can find another job before we have to pay the bills..." for a second, third , forth, and even fifth time. Or more, I didn't count all of the layoffs in the past two years.

Again, even if its true, I find that tough to believe. Its like garbagemen dumping trash everywhere, getting fired, complaining on twitter about losing their job, and then the rest of them going "lol, lets dump trash everywhere!".

>>150281147
None of the people who make choices are going to be let go anon. They're doing exactly what their cooperate masters tell them to do. Demoralize and push the message.

>>150282120
It really, genuinely is that bad. Brevoort still has a job. Lowe still has a job. Wells still has a job. The old guard has survived every single potential junction where there can and should have been a purge of senior leadership, simply because nobody important cares about funny pictures sales as long as the movies are doing well.

It really is that petty and malicious.

>>150277983 (OP)
I wouldn't really call Paul a mainstream character.
He's a supporting character for a supporting character.
It's like calling Lucy Lane a mainstream character.

But I think some of the race swap characters might be able to beat out Paul in terms of hatred.
Also, initially, Damien Wayne. He's better now. But people fucking hated him for the first few years.

>>150278055
What about Jeff the Landshark?

>>150279099
Jon Kent was unique and interesting before he was unceremoniously aged up for no reason.
Now he has no niche, and really nothing to do. Since for teenaged Kryptonians there is already both Connor Kent, and Supergirl.

So, much with with Tim Drake, the moment DC didn't know what to do with them, they made him gay

>>150277983 (OP)
>Is there a mainstream comic character that fans hate more than Paul?
I didn't even know this character existed outside of 4chin.

>>150283524
It sort of sets the other characters back a lot too. I liked Superdad a lot.

>>150283463
>I wouldn't really call Paul a mainstream character.
Give it time, he will be.
>initially, Damian Wayne
I never stopped hating him. It’s hilarious that it took DCeased of all things to make me like the character. I will never not think the mainline one is a blatant nepo baby, a bad reminder of Morrison making Talia utterly irredeemable as well as a hypocritical stain on Batman’s reputation from constantly forgiving her, and frankly an uppity little shit. But the DCeased one was based for not just taking up the cowl with dignity, but giving his life to fuck over the generic darkness monster that caused the whole shitstorm.

>>150283524
Imagine if they kill him off, like Clark’s daughter.

>Wait, Clark had a daughter?
Exactly.

>>150279081
Does that even work anymore when pages go up in Twitter day off?

>>150284205
>I will never not think the mainline one is a blatant nepo baby, a bad reminder of Morrison making Talia utterly irredeemable as well as a hypocritical stain on Batman’s reputation from constantly forgiving her, and frankly an uppity little shit
Okay am I wrong in thinking Talia already did evil shit before Damian’s existence? Feel like everyone says her reputation was killed like Wanda’s was in Dissassembled, but in the appearances I’ve seen of her she was never exactly “good”.

>>150284144
>Eat my wife's pie Bruce

>>150284262
Oh no, not at all. Let’s call a spade a spade: Batman is a complete and utter fucking hypocrite and an idiot when it comes to his tight-fitting outfit wearing hookups. It’s just that what Morrison did with Talia should’ve been considered her equivalent of the Killing Joke. Instead it’s just…quietly swept under the rug and the takeaway you’re supposed to find important is “Batman has a son now, yay ;^)”

Unrelated but that design of MJ is sexo

>>150285737
After reading some comics from the 80s/90s, she was more sexo when her hair was bigger.

>>150278722
To make it clear that the fans will never get Peter x MJ marriage that they want.

>>150285757
Not that anon but I like it. Just wish Gomez would draw She-VenoMJ, his Venom design was better in general, and the colorist was trying more. I dunno is it me or looking at Gomez coloring his own drawings look better than the comics? I get they have to be done fast but man it looks bad. Maybe Gomez needs to make his inking and shading darker or the coloring needs to be less flat. I dunno not an artist but something about all these books look really bad in comparison to the commissions (unfair comparison perhaps) or even Amazing MJ.

>>150279044
>Spider-Pete
But when real people say "Spider-Man", it's Pete Parker they actually mean.

>>150284205
I don't know shit about DC. Was it to promote a different ship the writer wanted instead, or push someone that wasn't really doing much villainy to be more evil?

>>150279044
>Spider-Pete
Holy kek

>>150286145
No, it most certainly had nothing to do with shipping. Speaking bluntly, it was pure shock value-more the latter from your two examples. It was a very dark time in Batman’s history, and Morrison really wanted to make clear that Talia was as much of a monster as her father (Ra’s al Ghul, the international terrorist/immortal assassin sect leader) and far more animalistic in her evil.

>>150278722
Marvel likes to make Peter as miserable as possible, and marvel editorial hates Peter/MJ.

>>150279028
Didio says hi to Wallyfags, Dickfags, and Cassfags.

>>150277983 (OP)
I doubt mainstream Spider Man fans even know who this is, neither would I if /co/ didn't endlessly spam threads about him

>>150286676
It’s really funny to me that DCfags seem to be trying to forget Didio ever existed out of desperate hope things were never that bad. Either that or the old DCfags are quietly dropping out after Death Metal.

>>150286676
Don't forgot Titansfags and YJfags. All of those characters are never gonna recover from him lmao

>>150281548
Nah. Miles is alright. Paul should've never been a thing.

>>150278871
Paul will become the physical body of Knull

>>150286894
Paul will retroactively becoming the spider that gave Peter his powers.

>>150281147
Corporations are not, never have been, and will never be perfectly efficient money generating machines. The people that run them petty, egotistical and self deluded, just like any other organization.

>>150278722
Marvel still keeps trying to ragebait readers, according to Tom Brevoort, angry readers buy more stuff instead of leading to apathy. And then they also don't want to bring MJ and Peter back, so whatever prior writers were building up was discarded in favor giving MJ a new boyfriend and using Pete's reactions as cheap drama.

>>150288028
>according to Tom Brevoort, angry readers buy more stuff instead of leading to apathy
they need to get over this idea, I stopped pulling spider-man for over 10 years because of this. I check in every few years but nothing has changed until the new ultimate but I hasn't kept up with it because its hard not to get affected by 616 shitting on peter in the background at every turn.

I'd make my own but there are people more dedicated to this than I do.

>>150277983 (OP)
I plan to commission a boatload of porn that features Peter getting cucked by Paul, Norman, Mephisto, Miles, Venom, Vulture, all balls deep in MJ, Gwen, Aunt May, all while Peter watches

>>150278318
This isn't remotely as bad, Terry wasn't cuckolding anyone.

>>150279393
It started with one writer who hated Quicksilver, and wanted readers to see him as such an asshole that Crystal would be justified in cheating on him. It backfired terribly, and it was her reputation that was destroyed. These days it's just a few Quicksilver fangirls who seem to really hate Crystal, because she's still the only notable love lasting interest he's got.

>>150288344
Are you the guy who commissions all the Spider-Man micropenis pics?

>>150286872
>Miles is alright

>>150278722
To spite you. To punish you for not deleting Peter from your memories and accepting Miles as Spider-Man. To punish you for liking Spider-Man at all. To punish you for being born. BECAUSE YOU'RE THERE. BECAUSE IT'S FUN TO RIP THE WINGS OFF A BUTTERFLY. BECAUSE... BECAUSE.

Paul Hate is the problem. Spider-Man was much better when he didn't depend on the crappy supporting cast. But fans love drama, and that's why the stories are so bad. Not because he's a waste of time, but because “muh Spider-Man is cucked.” Seriously, it's not like there aren't women throwing themselves at him. And even that is irrelevant to the quality of the stories.

>>150278722
Peter Parker and Mary Jane will never have a successful relationship because there's no interesting drama, tension or stakes in a marriage, at least nothing that appeals to a male audience. It transforms Mary Jane from a prize, someone that Peter Parker has to woo and to seduce and to earn the favour of, into a prop who just cheers him on from sidelines with no interesting dynamic between them. The relationship between Peter Parker and Mary Jane stops being interesting as soon as they get together, so Paul serves as a great barrier to prevent that from happening. He's a fantastic obstacle that Peter has to overcome to get what he wants, one that he can't just fight.

>>150289045
>tl;dr marvel hires hacks who cannot write compelling marriage

>>150289045
>settling for manipulative whore is okay
Fuck you. Back in the day Peter was written better since he refused to play bullshit games with hos like MJ and Gwen. Old Peter would just tell MJ to fuck off and enjoy her life while going off to do his own thing

>>150289079
How do you make tension in a marriage compelling for males who mostly read your comics for the capeshittery?

>>150289024
>Spider-Man was much better when he didn't depend on the crappy supporting cast.
He hasn't had an actual supporting cast in years.
Did you forget the 8 Deaths spread where they used Norman twice to fill up space?

>>150278722
Humiliation ritual unironically

>>150289109
>>150289109
Anon, men are eating up soap opera, you just need to thrown in explosions and action.

Use the goddamn support cast as a support. One of the scenes from TAS I have atop the head is when MJ broke lab equipment to distract from Peter, so he could change into Spider-Man. There is a ton of utility for non powered allies of superheroes. Anything that requires an additional pair of hands and cooperation.

And Spider-Man is about a regular guy with regular life problems who is also a superhero, as opposed to Batman/Superman at the time of his creation who were superheroes first. And that made him the top 3 solo superheroes in the entirety of capeshit.

Marriage allows Peter to get past his old regular life problems (like getting a GURL) and allows to introduce new ones, and that's even before the phase of getting a child. Income, housing, security of close family, temptations of using powers to deal with pricks in your wife's life and not making it too obvious for your enemies that she is important for Spider-Man because he is not Superman who is in one second on the scene after Lois screaming

>>150289179
>Income, housing, security of close family
These sure sound like problems that men want to read about in escapist superhero comics.

>>150289024
>Spider-Man was much better when he didn't depend on the crappy supporting cast.
I know you're trolling but the fact that someone probably believes that...

>>150289145
yes
post it

>>150284205
The thing about DCeased Damien is that he was so determined not to repeat what he saw as his father's mistakes. Which included being a better batman.
That was interesting, because often batman is shown to be a monolithic, perfect character.
Also this panel got some feels out of me.

>>150289336
wait, it wasn't a spread

I know there are too many symbiote characters now but I wouldn't mind Paul becoming one

>>150289223
Probably quesada

>>150289407
kys

>>150281548
It's literally only morons who have a problem with Miles as a character. His books suck but that's because they just shoehorned him into 616. But Miles is popular and interesting.

>>150289109
Explosions, a cute au par, mj developes a friendship with carol danver, that turns intimate.

>>150289217
Tell us anon why Peter worked for JJJ

Paul isn't hated, he doesn't negatively affect sales, he makes Spider-Man interesting by adding the dramatic conflict that's needed in a soap opera like ASM.
Now Pete Wisdom is hated, Morlun is hated

>>150289589
>His books suck but that's because they just shoehorned him into 616.

And this is why it happened.

>>150289387
I think that's Harry, no?

>>150288665
Quicksilver has fangirls?

>>150277983 (OP)
Yes

I don't think mainstream audiences know who he is.

>>150288028
>angry readers buy more stuff

No they don't, everyone is easily bypassing having to read Paul slop by seeing what Comic Twitter is posting about it

>>150277983 (OP)
>isn't going to vanish
Why? Good characters vanish, why not this piece of shit?

Paul has no real fans. Yeah, there are little shitstains getting their jollies by pretending to like him to annoy people. But nobody actually likes him.
Miles is worse because you have a horde of retards convinced he's a good character.

>>150292753
I'd not object to Miles at all, if it wasn't painfully obvious Marvel wished with every fibre of their being that Miles was "Spider-Man" and Peter was reduced to second billing. Don't like this whole "everyone can be Spider-____" thing anyway but supplanting Peter is just not cool.

>>150292723
They're still planning on using him for more things down the line
I guess if you wanted to fancy yourself a "Good writer" you wouldn't just drop a plot disrupting character like Paul out of nowhere even if his inclusion was dogshit and no one likes him
They might want to bring him back for his glyph tech whatever down the line, if he's not being killed off or anything to that effect then this'll be what happens to his character

>>150292753
Miles would be fine if he was kept in his own universe and not tossed into 616
He had a purpose and it was ruined by putting him somewhere where Peter is still alive and being Spider-man

>>150292774
>>150292887
The crux of the issue with Miles is that he's simply boring. He was boring back in Ultimate Universe and he's boring in 616.
He really has nothing going for him, which is why the best his defenders can muster is accusations of racism whenever he's criticized.
His personality was always diet-coke Peter, which is already redundant because modern Peter is diet-coke Peter.
The push he's getting is merely more salt on the wound.

>>150292929
So Miles needs to become Spider-Man with Lime or Spider-Man Vanilla?

They only made MJ venom so Zendaya can be venom.

>>150292962
MJ already had like 4 versions with space goop by this point, so delayed synergy if true.

>>150292469
Pretty much. People still see Peter as married to MJ at least his girlfriend because of wider media and the fact no one reads comics which is a blessing

>>150293054
Man, can you imagine the face of some zoomie kid who watched TAS/Spectacular on whatever streaming platform they are (I have no idea, I'm fucking old and I just torrent my shit these days) and wanted to try out the (current) comics
>what the fuck is this gay shit?

>>150293092
>wanted to try out the (current) comics
No one of ANY generation is okay with Paul and his retarded storyline. Either Marvel is siphoning money from all over to keep this shitshow going or there are some many autists that don't want even think for one second that voting with their wallet can actually mean something.

>>150277983 (OP)
Mary Jane

>>150279044
Cringe

>>150289589
Cope

These ones

>>150292469
The mainstream would only know who Paul is if they scrolled around Comic Twitter and saw some posts about him, how much he sucks and how much people like it when he suffers
They would then learn to avoid any comics featuring him after that

>>150293257
Kate has people who want to fuck her, so she is limited in how hated she can be.

>>150293257
Okay but I can just ignore all of that. When I open a new Spider-Man issue expecting Peter Parker doing cool shit I can't ignore I get FUCKING PAUL AND MARY JANE TALKING FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME.

>>150278722
Writers are spiteful. This is what happens when characters go on for decades with different writers over the years and just never allow anything to end. The inmates are running the asylum now and have been for a long time. We are so far removed from the original authors and artists that people in charge and working on Spider-man are not fans of him

Stage 1
>original author - tries his best to make a good story, loves all the characters, creates a big hit

Stage 2
>successor - someone likely handpicked by the original author, might have worked under him or beside him at one point
>tries to do right by the original author, will start to include more of their own ideas they've been wanting to add for a while and at the same time might be to push buttons and evolve things out of respect for the original artists

Stage 3
>likely grew up a big fan of the series
>loves the series but has his own favorites, biases, and characters he doesn't care for and thinks more in terms of this than in terms of the story at large
>can make something arguably better or worse than the original authors, but either way will have a notably different tone, themes, etc.

Stage 4
>new author is now terminally removed from the original
>will want to re-imagine everything and subvert stuff
>mileage varies heavily, might get some one off classics since they will stand out against the bread and butter series
>likely not spiteful but also just see the story as a platform to write the story they really want, even if it is completely different from the spirit of the original

Stage 5
>latest author has no reverence for the series and sees the series only as a platform to push for their career elsewhere or to push their own ideologies
>will actively character assassinate characters they do not like for whatever reasons they have, even at the expense of the story's quality
>will start to include obvious self insert characters rather that solely use existing characters as mouthpieces

>>150283677
>Hi, I dont read comics, but I'm gonna share my expert opinion anyway.

>>150293520
NTA, but could you really blame somebody for not reading the dumpsterfire that is modern ASM?

>>150293601
More like twinkus kasady

>>150293092
Most of what I’ve seen from the younger crowd is about Peter being a completely different person. Going from sarcastic asshole to “wholesome chungus sad boy” after OMD and the Sony games didn’t help with everyone complaining about the HR compliant dialogue

>>150293520
He’s right though. No one knows or cares about him because public perception is different from whatever comics are doing.

>>150284253
It didn't. Wells' ASM went down in sales and supposedly sales on All-New Venom got affected

>>150293648
Paul definitely broke a bit into the mainstream just with how spiteful the character is to the fandom. Why even be on /co/ if you don't know who Paul is

>>150294034
Outside of that time they killed the magic kids I never saw him brought up in wider public acknowledgement

>>150293648
>He’s right though. No one knows or cares about him because public perception is different from whatever comics are doing.
Ok, but the question is about comics. So if you don't read them anyway, what's even the point of such an opinion?

>>150290098
Paul is hated, he does negatively affect sales, and has no conflict with Peter and just sort of sits there like a boring-ass potato. Even Morlun is more popular.

Honest Question OP do you intend t to flood /co/ with Spider--Man threads.

>>150275031

A great deal of anons are geting rather annoyed and even pissed now lay off this shit you don't own this site now fuck off.

>>150294498
It's also DISRESPECTFUL to the great and proud nation of Poland, Paul is a HERO and child rape is not a bad thing!!!

>>150294498
>>150294529
*sighs* It looks like the Polish Spider-Man are talking about child rape again. Oh man, any second now it's gong to be nothing but screaming rants about how Paul should rape Dylan for his disrespect.

>>150294529
Flooding and spamming a board happens to be fucking DISRESPECTFUL to this site not to mention plain stupid. I am not in the mood for games retard this is not a shitpost so lay off this shit.

>>150294616
I stand with you and I support your beliefs I think Paul really will rape Dylan thus gaining his respect!

>>150294596
*sighs* I guess it's for this thread to end since it's going off-topic child abuse is not the subject of this thread.

>>150294654
lay off the spam retard.

>>150294658
Paul is the subject of the thread Spider-Cuck and PAUL IS GOING TO RAPE DYLAN

>>150294697
off topic dumbass

>>150294678
No, you lay off your spam! I'm Polish and I'm retarded and that means I'm allowed to do whatever I want! You're the one who has to lay off the spam!

>>150294722
Go away with the spam.

>>150294710
What do you think the topic of the thread is? *smug face*

>>150294734
Understood then I will get back on topic and just say that Paul being alone with Dylan in the last issue of All New Venom means he's definitely raping that little brat, in a traditional Polish way.

Damn, Polish people really love Paul, and really want him to molest a kid. What a weird country.

Polish people can you explain your obsession with Paul Rabin? He just seems kind of like a boring loser to me, sort of like Terry Long from DC.

>>150294743
This is enjoy


Gotham's Spider {Discontinued as it is being Rewritten}
Rosey_Rose
Summary:

The story follows a 17 year old Peter Parker after the events in Spiderman: No Way Home. Peter thought that the only thing that was going to happen to him after Strange’s spell was for everyone to forget who he was. Instead, he finds himself in a city he’s pretty sure never existed, with vigilantes he never heard of, in a completely different dimension entirely. As if that isn’t any worse, his memories of the spell are fuzzy and oh, he’s also laying naked on a table about to scare the living hell out of this poor mortician when he wakes up.

Notes:

Inspired by Peter the Pizza Guy by Irisen
Inspired by [Restricted Work] by DefinitelyNotIndecisive (Log in to access.)
Inspired by Between Enemies and Friends by Cashmire
Inspired by A Long Way From Home (And No Way Back) by Vivia_wants_boba
Inspired by A Crossroad in the Spider's Web by caicilia

Another Peter Parker gets thrown into the DC Universe and meets the Bat-Family fanfic.

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This is my first fanfic to post on this site so please be nice. I accept constructive criticism and will strive to improve my work. Chapter 1 is short and has no mentions of the Bats so I apologize for that.

>>150278722
Probably a whiplash response to how close we came to an actual in universe acknowledgement of OMD. Fucking Strange was at Mephisto's doorstep the moment he realized something was up with Peter's soul, you can't tell me there wasn't a plan to reveal it to him and MJ at the very least instead of outright undoing it.

>>150294812

Chapter 1: "I thought you were dead!" "I got better..?"
Notes:

(See the end of the chapter for notes.)
Chapter Text

Peter woke with a start on a cold, hard table. The air was cool and his body was stiff and cold. It took him a moment to process his surroundings, taking in the clean, sterile environment. It looked like some type of hospital room or something. Nevermind that thought, where the hell was he? Last he remembered, Dr.Stra- no, Stephen was completing his spell to make everyone forget Peter Parker, make them forget him. But… his memories after that were fuzzy, distorted.

Peter couldn’t recall what happened after that. It felt like the details were there, but out of reach. It only made his head throb with a dull ache. Shaking his head slightly, he sat up, and just now realized the other person in the room with him. They looked and smelled terrified beyond their wits as they stared at him wide-eyed. Taking a closer look at some of the equipment in the room, Peter felt his stomach sink. Wasn’t… wasn’t this stuff used to prepare dead bodies?

Shit. Was he dead? No, that couldn’t be right. He was awake, alive, and felt very much not dead. Still, judging by the toe tag on his foot and the person’s, who he figures is the mortician, horrified face, he was very much perceived as dead. Peter could only chuckle awkwardly, a hand raising to rub at the back of his neck.

“So, uh, the important thing is not to freak out…” He spoke to the person as he swung his legs off the table. The towel that had been draped over his hips for some sense of privacy falling away. Oh wow, he was very much naked.

>>150294782
Poland is a sad and sick country full of a sad and sick people and Putin should put them all out of their misery.

>>150294841
“You wouldn’t happen to have any clothes I could borrow, do you?” Peter asked sheepishly, feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable. The person’s lips quivered like they might say something before shaking their head and pointed towards the door. Peter just hummed a small ‘thank you’ to them as he wrapped the towel around his hips and quickly exited the room.

He could hear the person collapse and fumble for something, most likely their phone to call the cops or something. After all, it wasn’t everyday that a corpse wakes up from the dead like they were waking up from a nap. Peter found a small locker and looked through it, finding some clothing that was a bit big on him but would work nonetheless. He quickly changed into them and pulled off the toe tag that read ‘John Doe’, before walking over to a desk and looking around. He knew he didn’t have much time if the person’s frantic voice whispering into their phone was anything to go by, but he needed to find out where he was. He probably has a good 10-20 minutes before cops show up.

He looked through various files, not caring much about the people’s information, but rather focusing on the location of this place. Each of the files had stamped on the top, ‘Gotham City Mortuary’. Gotham City? What type of name is that? That most certainly wasn’t a name of any city he knew of. And while history wasn’t a strong suit, Peter did great and he knew without a doubt that wasn’t a city. At least, not his Earth. It was a wild guess, but after meeting Peter 2 and Peter 3, which only confirmed Peter’s theories about the multiverse being real, the thought of him being on a different Earth wasn’t all that far-fetched.

>>150294812
>>150294841
>Polish people don't know what thread topics are
When Gwenschizo was whining about spam, he was just saying English words, like a parrot. That's what Polish people do sadly.

>>150294869
It was a stretch, however, and Peter knew he’d need more information before he could confirm anything, but he didn’t immediately disregard it as a possibility. Hearing sirens in the distance, Peter took that as his cue to leave and promptly found a back exit and left. The smell of the city hit him like a sledgehammer, leaving Peter reeling and covering his nose, trying not to gag. It was putrid. The smell of death, alcohol, drugs, and other smells he’d rather not think about permeated the air.

New York didn’t smell so nice either, but it was never this bad. Peter knew it’d take some time for him to adjust to this smell, but for now, he needed to find a safe place to stay for the night. He could feel his spider sense humming at the back of his neck, a constant reminder that while he wasn’t in imminent danger, these streets weren't safe for anyone.

***

Finding a place to stay for the night wasn’t hard as there were many abandoned buildings as he traveled further down dark and desolate alleyways. The issue was finding a suitable place that wasn’t already being used by the homeless or too run down that there was a genuine risk of it collapsing. Peter could only imagine what type of city this was for there to be so many abandoned buildings, rundown stores and houses, and various people still littering the streets even at this time of the night. Not that Peter knows the exact time, but still, it was dark, and yet the night life of the city only seemed to amp up.

>>150294869
>>150294841
>>150294812
>This post appears to be an automated spambot
Byebye soon, Polish child rape guy.

>>150294886
lol this a fanfiction story dumbass,

This thread was dying and you guys are going insane

>>150294900
Not a rapist and a fanfiction story is not spam.

>>150294910
THIS IS A PAUL THREAD NOT A FANFICTION THREAD FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SPAM AND RESPECT POLAND! STOP CALLING US CHILD RAPISTS!!!

>>150294930
I don't know about that, Gwenschizo often bragged about being a child rapist, and often just ignored it when people called him one. I think he wouldn't do that unless he fucked kids.

>>150294888
He passed various people who made his spider senses tingle, some of which he could smell weapons on. He just kept his head down and acted like he knew where he was going. The worst thing to do in a city like this is act like a tourist or someone who is new. The farther Peter went, the fewer people he saw until he ended up on a desolate street filled with rundown and abandoned buildings covered in graffiti. He looked around a bit until he came across a rundown grocery store that seemed in better shape than the other buildings he inspected.

The windows and front door were boarded up, but for someone like Peter who had the abilities of a spider, that was hardly an obstacle. He didn’t want to remove the boards since it could deter others from taking up residence here, so instead, he searched around the store until he spotted a broken window on the second floor. Perfect! Walking to the wall, he placed his hands to it, sticking his palms to the wall before pulling himself up and sticking his feet to it as well. And just like that, he climbed up the wall with the grace of a spider.

Reaching the window, Peter covered his hands with the sleeves of his jacket, that he stole, before knocking out the rest of the glass in the window. It wasn’t a lot, but he’d prefer to not get injured until he figures out where he is, food, and a job perhaps. He climbed through the window, planting his bare feet down on the floor, mindful of the glass. It was dark, but Peter could still make out the layout of the place. Looking around, he figured this place was once one of those apartment loft buildings that had a store or restaurant on the first floor and the second floor acted as either apartments or just a living space.

>>150294963
In Poland, raping children is completely legal and not a crime.

>>150294974
Despite the dust and pieces of broken walls and ceiling, it was in relatively good shape. It was cold, but Peter figured with some supplies and hardwork, he could turn this place into a semi-proper living space. Making his way to the bathroom, he checked if there was still running water, nearly cheering when he heard the pipes rattle before water came out of the faucet a few moments later. It came out murky, but after a few minutes of running it cleared.

He licked his lips, suddenly aware of how thirsty he was. He had half the mind to drink from the sink faucet, but with the way his spider sense was barely tingling told him that it probably wasn’t safe to drink. That’s okay though, it shouldn’t hurt to bathe in it. He can always find a different area to get fresh, clean water from.

Next thing Peter checked was the lights. He went to each room, flipping on the lights and checking if the electricity still worked. Only one room out of all of them had a working light-bulb, that room being a bedroom. The bulb was dim, barely putting out any light, but Peter could work with this. Running electricity meant he could fix things up and get this place to feel more livable.

Lastly, Peter made his way down to the first floor, exploring what was left of the grocery store. Most of the place looked ransacked, probably happened before those boards were put up, but there were still a few things left. Such as an unopened jar of peanut butter and some crackers. Peter’s stomach growled, the sound echoing throughout the quiet space. Checking both items over again, Peter felt satisfied that his spider sense didn’t tingle with either of the two.

>>150294991
not a rapist.

>>150294993
>>150294974
SPAM SPAM SPAM THAT'S ALL YOU SPIDER-FAGS CAN DO. I WILL NOT LET THIS INSULT TO POLAND STAND WE DO NOT FUCK KIDS

>>150295011
Ah, you're a 'virtuous pedophile' who is attracted to kids but does not rape them. I am proud of you.

>>150294743
I think it's hilarious how Paul ballooned up and then immediately shrank down.

I just want Peter to have a supportive girlfriend. A new one that doesn't have powers or has some sort of conflicting story line.

>>150286872
I don't think Miles was a bad idea in what the Ultimate Universe was originally supposed to be (more grounded, characters dying actually meant something, etc). A literal nobody finding himself suddenly with the responsibility of taking over for and living up to the reputation of a big named, already established hero is a fine jumping off point in that context.
The problem is they did absolutely jack shit with it except make him "Spider-Man, but black" and redo all of Peter's plot points but black. It got worse when he was transplanted into 616 because he was designed to be a replacement for Peter Parker, but black, except Peter Parker is still alive here, and not black.

I've posted it before, but this would have been my ideal re-write to fit Miles into 616.
>Miles is a Spider-Man fanboy, maybe Peter saved him or he can relate to trying to do your best even when everyone else thinks the worst of you
>Would love to BE Spider-Man
>Somehow develops superpowers, except he just has electricity powers full stop
>Still wants to be Spider-Man, so he uses them to emulate Spider-Man
>faster and more agile than Spider-Man because electricity, but weaker because no spider strength
>sticks to metal surfaces with electromagnetism
>"web slings" around with some wires he uses his powers to manipulate
>no spider sense though because obviously
>invisibility is trickier, but my idea was when him and Peter finally meet up, Peter gives him a stealth suit he could never use properly because he didn't have a good power source for it(he could stay invisible for like 30 seconds) because he's not Tony Stark or black
>but the lack of a power source is no problem for someone who literally generates electricity

>>150295293
Just put him back together with MJ but make her not written by a Polish retard with an ax to grind EZ PZ.

>>150290098
I don't think there was a single person outside of Marvel that actually liked Paul.

>>150295316
No, I want a new relationship. MJ betrayed Peter's trust just like the writers betrayed the fans. Her character is also too poisoned now by 4 different forms and a mutant ability in another line. I want just a normal supportive woman.

>>150295257
It felt like the writers were mad at people laughing at Paul being a skinny doofus, then changed it back because everyone laughed at how it looked like he just injected a metric shitton of steroids between issues.

>>150295399
MJ is a fictional character. Just write a thing where she didn't do that, like in Ultimate Spider-Man. Instant success!

>>150295554
It enrages the Paulcuck to know that his legacy can be erased with a flick of a pen.

>>150295624
Even better, that's already happening in 616. We're witnessing the death of an identity.

>>150295412
Ultimately, what got Editorial to finally cave on Paul was being made fun of. It's fine if a character makes you and me mad, but when the fallout also makes them mad and causes them headaches... that's when you realize he's radioactive.

>>150295298
Working within the blacktricity thing, I like this a lot. Maybe you could even do a story where he directly rejects Electro despite his powers being most like his.

I wish that retards who harp about MJ and Peter getting back together fixing anything would realize that the problem is far deeper. Spider-man will continue to suck until the editorial finally lets Peter to grow his balls back, his and MJ's relationship is irrelevant to that. Cope about muh OMD or whatever all you like, the problem with ASM is far deeper than that

>>150296031
True, but Peter and MJ is a good weathervane to see where things are going. Ultimately, if they remain a bunch of spiteful manchildren willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, then we're never going to see OMD undone. But if it does happen, then it's a sign that something big has changed internally.

What Spider-Fag is that?

>>150296031
The whole point of people wanting them back together is that marvel is at least trying to course correct and get them back to were they where preOMD

>>150296254
It's Ben Reilly in his Chasm costume. Except Ben apparently got his memories back and is a good guy again off screen. I'm still fine with him keeping the costume.

>>150296254
Ben/Chasm

>>150296254
>Norman Osborn is such a good friend that they had to have him there twice.
Gwenschizo is rolling over in his grave.

>>150295994
Yeah I was imaging a funny bit where he wanted to be spider-man but got one of his villain's powers instead and was mildly annoyed.

>>150277983 (OP)
>>150278722
>>150294743
>>150294782
marywhore and paul rabin are equally irrelevant

>>150296509
>The Polack has to betray his favorite character, like a rat escaping a sinking ship
Mephisto is also an utter loser, by the way.

>>150296550
Dante: "You STILL haven't gotten the money together?"
Mephisto: "I-I'm so sorry Mr. The Son of Sparda, Sir. Doordash and UberX don't cover what I spend on gas!"
Dante: "You need to get it together, or I'm going to see if I can make myself a cool pair of nunchucks out of your legs!"
Vergil: "Brother. Stop bullying that pathetic trash. We have more important things to do."
Dante: "Damn it. ...Hey, Mephisto. You ever hear about a website called Twitch?"

>>150296509
>Muhfuggin Marywhores
>Norman, dear, who is this strange homeless man?
>Oh, don't mind him Gwen. That's just Paul Rabin.
>Maryslutfags
>What's wrong with this poor man?
>Hm? Oh, some breakup he never got over. He's just been living like some sort of homeless schizophrenic.
>That's so sad...
>Don't pity him too much, my dear. He's from Poland, and he even tried to molest Eddie Brock's son. Now come on, it's almost time for Peter and Mary Jane's anniversary.
>WHORES! WHORES! WHOOOORES!
>Yes, I do think we better get going. What an awful creature.

>>150289045
>at least nothing that appeals to a male audience.
>there's no interesting drama, tension or stakes in a marriage

You're deeply misguided if you think drama, tension or stakes in a marriage are what appeal to men.

>>150294993
He searched around a bit more, finding a broom and dustpan before taking what he found back up with him to the bedroom. Setting the peanut butter and crackers down, he got to work sweeping up the dirt, dust, and debris on the floor. He’d need to have to search for some clean wipes or something to wipe down the surfaces to clear them of the dust as well, but this would do for now. Taking a step back, Peter observed the state of the room, pleased with what he’s done so far. It wasn’t much, but it was a step in the right direction.

Peter glanced over at the peanut butter and crackers, debating if he should eat some now, or just wait till morning. He was hungry, but until he found out where he was and got a job or something, he needed to conserve the food he had. With a sigh, he laid down on the bed before curling up on his side. He could feel the chill in the air and despite the thought that this bed wasn’t all that clean, he pulled the blankets up and over him, trying to trap as much heat in as possible. Exhaustion set in and before Peter knew it, he was dead asleep, none the wiser to the stir his sudden appearance had caused in Gotham.
Notes:

Hi! Thank you for reading Chapter 1 of Gotham's Spider! If you have any constructive criticism or advice please don't hesitate to put it down in the comments. I'll try to respond to every comment and take your advice to heart and use it to improve my work.

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>>150296679
Please keep in mind that this fanfic is just me testing the waters. I only have Chapter 1 wrote so far, but I will get started on Chapter 2 as soon as possible. Chapter 2 will introduce a few of the Bats so don't worry!:3 Please note that I don't understand much about the process concerning Morticians and dead bodies, so if I got something wrong, don't hesitate to let me know! Also yes, I intend to make Peter Parker more spider-like in this fanfic because why not. I have no idea where I'm really going with this fanfic, so uh, wish me luck I guess lol.

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Anyways enough of my yapping, have a great day/night!! Thank you all once again!! :3

Chapter 2: Zombies and Bats? In Gotham? Who Would've Guessed?
Notes:

Welcome to Chapter 2 of Gotham's Spider! I got a bit excited after posting Chapter 1 yesterday and wrote Chapter 2 last night and this morning lol. So uh, enjoy. Please keep in mind that I'm an inconsistent writer, so I may upload a new chapter in a few days or a week or two later.

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I also forgot to mention this in the notes on the first chapter, but the fanfic name and chapter titles are susceptible to change, and if I do decide to change them, I will be sure to inform y'all! If you spot any grammatical or punctuation errors, please feel free to let me know down in the comments below.

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One last thing, these, ***, are what I use to signify a time skip or POV change for anyone who might be confused about them. Enough yapping! Hope y'all enjoy this chapter and please don't hesitate to correct me on anything or suggest anything you feel I should add to improve this story! :3

(See the end of the chapter for more notes.)

>>150278722
Making fans angry makes money. Like they explained this shit years ago. For dome reason, Marvel readers are insane masochists who are more likely to buy something if it enrages them. At the end of tge day, Marvel is a business. They only care about making money. Pissing off fans is very lucrative because Marvel readers are all retarded.

>>150296708
>:3
>wish me luck I guess lol

Holy shit, Gwenschizo is a complete fucking faggot. Polish people clearly can't write for shit!

Also
>ban evading

>>150278722
Spider-cuck readers are well known cucks. So Marvel was just giving out what the readers wanted.

>>150296972
They were trying to appeal to Poland and its many child rapists with Paul. But as we can see, they were too weak. Too cowardly. Now goodbye to Poland's most beloved superhero.

Be honest. How many of you buy these comics? You know you're jist enabling them, right?

>>150297011
I only buy comics I actually like, and pirate and mock the ones I don't.

>>150297011
>Buying ASM
lol
Lmao
Got the masterworks and epic collection and I’m good

>>150288344
The fact that you didn’t include Jonah on this list shows how boring and joyless you are. “Intrepid and brave editor fucks menaces wife”

>>150297034
I only buy Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimates, and Ultimate X-Men, by the way.

>>150289387
Both Norman and miles appear twice, no Joe Robertson no Betty no flash. God damn this book really needs to just die

>>150297061
>>150297063
SOMEONE's gotta be fucking buying them. So who is it? Who do we hold accountable?

>>150297127
Collectors. A lot of them have already said they’re done after #1000 so I wonder how things are going to start looking after that

>>150297127
Zombie buyers. People who just collect the books but never bother to look inside them.

Also, Polish child molesters, a small but crucial demographic for Marvel to pander to.

>>150297100
Well Mr. Robertson is in ANV, so he is too busy. Randy does though.

>>150297172
You can pretend that it's Randy instead of Miles twice on that page. It's Marvel, they think all black guys look the same.

>>150297212
Polish people are exactly the same way too. It's not a coincidence.

>>150297172
>>150297212
You know it’s weird Randy has been petes defecto best friend for 30 years but I still can’t really pin down what their relationship is or any decent stories between the two

>>150297363
Literally it's because they killed off anyone else he gives a damn about. I blame Polish people, personally.

Paulbros are clearly not coping well in this thread, are they all right? First they’re screaming about how Paul needs to rape a kid, then posting their offsite fanfic verbatim here, and then bleating about how actually they never liked Paul.

I haven’t seen them fumble and flounder so much since Gwenschizo confessed he was a pedophile.

>>150297363
"Your dad is a higher-up at the magazine I do freelance photography for" isn't exactly the best way to make a relationship.

>>150297538
To me, Paul's just the match Marvel should use to burn it all down. And why burn it all down? Because the flames will be pretty. That's why.

>>150297538
The Paulfags are in an utter shambles.

>>150297821
They tried, but they got mocked too much and it made them mad.

>>150296779
>Making fans angry makes money. Like they explained this shit years ago.
That's what brevoort decided to take from the situation, being the genius that he is.
"People are always complaining about bendis' Avengers, but it sells!" Nevermind that they had pushed Wolverine and Spider-Man into the team, there were events non-stop and those characters had movies around the time.

>>150277983 (OP)
Harley? Batkek?

>>150299472
Not really for either. Harley is annoying because of her push and Farts who Sharts is just.... yeah..

>>150277983 (OP)
Are we that mainstream?

>>150277983 (OP)
How do you measure? Not that many people actually care about Paul, because not everyone who reads ASM gets all worked up, and lots of people don't follow ASM.
By comparison, people have spent decades absolutely melting the fuck down over Tim Drake... But Tim actually has fans, and I presume Paul doesn't really have any sincere fans (maybe some like him as a plot device, but he's not enough of a character to actually enjoy).
If you're talking raw number of haters, it's Superman, bar none.
If you're talking proportion of haters to fans, Paul's got a shot.

Captain Marvel
Kamala Khan
Harley Quinn
nobody gives a fuck about Paul except the few who read comics

>>150302281
I like all of those people better than the human toilet that is Paul! And I barely like those people!

>>150302281
Kamala and Harley are still popular with the casual non-comic book readers. Carol has a dedicated schizo pushing her in any remotely Marvel adjacent thread on the entire site.

>>150302861
Harley yes, Kamala not at all.

>>150278318
pretty sure this one's way worse

>>150277983 (OP)
Moon Girl

>>150277983 (OP)
only marycuntfags hate paul tho

>>150303265
We already saw you tuck your balls between your legs and try to walk back your fetish for Paul, you pitiful Polack child molester >>150296509

>>150303498
These Polacks only like Paul when it's convenient or easy, or they feel they have something to gain.

>>150282120
Brevoort has seniority and gives so little of a fuck he is pretty open both in fan letter response pages and on his substack that he fucking hates being in the X-Office and hates the Spider-Marriage with a passion so much he publicly coped over USM outselling ASM saying it was an 'outlier' or some shit and telling fans unhappy to jump shit to USM.

Nick Lowe was part of the ragebaiting but for whatever reason backpedaled on the MJ and Paul being married thing claiming it was "due to the Christimas rush that it go overlooked" or some such and they walked back the kids being their biological children despite looking just like her and Paul and now are saying that the other universe wasn't ACTUALLY 4 years (since that would make MJ older than Peter by a bit) and that it only FELT like that long to them.

Jackpot was likely an attempt to get her away from Peter because while trying to kill her off in the plane crash failed due to vitriolic fan backlash now they can't because Gail Simone made a big stink about "Fridging" so killing her off like Gwen Stacy would be a PR nightmare for Marvel as being "anti-feminist" or whatever, Jackpot failed spectacularly because nobody really even rage bought it or her crossover tie-in with Black Cat, which is probably why All-New Venom feels like so many issues have been wasted mopping up Zeb Wells' 2022 ASM run but now they have gotten their wish the vast majority of fans and casuals now fucking DESPISE Mary Jane Watson (myself included) for being a whore who cucked Peter, blamed HIM exclusively for "abandoning" her when she PUSHED him through the portal, married(?) Paul, and said him trying to atone for his genocide complicity was (somehow) equivalent to Peter failing to stop the man who shot Uncle Ben.

It's so bad that everyone IMMEDIATELY clocked it was Ben Reilly as soon as he had anything resembling a spine when he bit back at MJ when she showed up as ANV because Peter is so pathetic now.

>>150282120
Also, Marc Guggenheim has gone on record stating they hate Mary Jane so much as a character that Marvel Editorial considered having her raped and brutally murdered while spitballing ideas for One More Day.

>>150304656
>Nick Lowe was part of the ragebaiting but for whatever reason backpedaled on the MJ and Paul being married thing claiming it was "due to the Christimas rush that it go overlooked" or some such and they walked back the kids being their biological children despite looking just like her and Paul and now are saying that the other universe wasn't ACTUALLY 4 years (since that would make MJ older than Peter by a bit) and that it only FELT like that long to them.
Jesus, really? What's the fucking point then?

>>150284262
She was more morally grey than outright evil like her father and sister, hence the appeal.

However, raping Bruce was a step too far to make her redeemable even Deathstroke still gets shit on in the comic sphere for grooming and statutorily raping a teenager in the Judas Contract because while he's a villain that makes him more loathsome than 'cool'.

Then Talia's bullshit with The Heretic and getting Damian killed pretty much torpedoed whatever goodwill may have remained from non-shippers and understandably fans of her and said ship hate Grant Morrison's guts for claiming to "misremember" Son of the Demon (he didn't re-read it) and also admitted he was working through his own mommy issues and that he wrote Talia out of character SPECIFICALLY because (by his own admission) Damian's character arc wouldn't work without it since the point was supposed to be him overcoming his own darkness in the Nature vs. Nurture overarching theme of Batman and Son which Heretic was also a foil for him in that thematic sense.

>>150304687
Nick Lowe is a coward then right? He can't even do who Joey Quesadilla did and directly fuck up Peter's marriage with Mary Jane and explicitly ending their relationship while moving on to an established love interest. Even with Peter's love interest Shay, in his current run it's just an "non-serious" fling "not official dating" fucking and occasionally dating. Pathetic

>>150292582
I think the anon you're replying to is well-aware but was merely explaining Marvel Editorial's (retarded) thought process.

Dan Slott also said something about how their business model is "Enrage to Engage" as why he made it seem like he killed off Peter in his Superior Spider-Man (2013) run on his 60th Anniversary while also arguing with fans and ragebaiting on twitter back then and had stuff like Otto jerking off to memories of Peter and MJ's kinky spider sexy times, tearing out memories he deemed 'unnecessary' technically raped Anna Maria by deception, had Black Cat turn into the Queenpin and planned to have her be killed off, resurrected and become a love interest for Daredevil instead of redeeming her according to one of his follow-up posts on CBR forums, IIRC but like Jackpot the Queenpin rebrand/character assassinated was so universally hated they eventually walked that back and Nick Spencer fixed Felicia no longer knowing/remember Peter was Spider-Man since OMD.

>>150292887
Genocide and cucking/NTR aside I cannot fathom (besides bad writing) why ANYONE would trust his glyph tech after MJ's slot bracelet literally tore her body apart on a molecular level--I know the whole gambling/jackpot gimmick necessitated risk for narrative tension but why the fuck was something THAT extreme SPECIFICALLY an option he programmed into the bracelet?

Who in their right mind would trust a guy like that to be their tech support?

>>150288344
Hi K-box

>>150290166
First losing Marsha and now this
Being Molecule Man is suffering

>>150304715
I've never understood this sort of thing. Why even bother using these characters in the first place if you're just gonna do whatever anyway?

>>150302281
>>150302861
>implying Kamala is rated

>>150277983 (OP)
Is it that mainstream to hate him?

>>150296294
Yeah the costume is fine so long as its not associated with the dumb shit plot point of trying to make him a villain for no reason.

>>150296254
>MJ is placed above Peter
>Gwen is next to him
>Felicia is at his crotch with her mouth slightly open

>>150277983 (OP)
Miles

>>150293492
Excellent overview. Shows why sometimes its best to just let things end and start afresh.

>>150281893
>Ewing is still culpable for bending the knee to them.
Ewing doesn't even like Paul. Hell, even the artist for the comic hates his guts too. Nobody except for Brevoort and Lowe likes this garbage. The only road that leads to is getting fired and Ewing's not stupid, and the man can do far more good being around and kissing ass than replacing him with another Wells.

>>150279044
Does marvel just hate Peter/Frank/Johnny? Peter is just the universal punching bag, Frank's retcons, and Ghostrider constant nerfing or outright retconning of how his powers work, makes me think they either dont know how the powers work or they dislike these characters.

>>150306736
Frank is more because lefties keep shitting themselves over cops using the skull so they try to make Frank look bad only it blew up in their face because his show was a huge hit and people love him now

Johnny's problem is that he's far too strong for most of the shit he encounters so he's in a constant state of flux to add any bit of tension to his stories

>>150283524
>Jon Kent was unique and interesting before he was unceremoniously aged up for no reason.
From what we knew, he was aged up to fall in line with Didio's retarded plans for 5G but he got fired when DC realized that this was basically their equivalent of OMD but for their entire comic book lineup and continuity. It's just unfortunate that they have to make do with the leftovers of that plan.

>>150297127
Webtoonfags. All of the reputation about being above plagiarism will be gone if this comic isn't removed from there.

>>150278722
they wanted to remplace Peter with Miles, peoples didn't liked it
so Peter must suffer and be humiliated

>>150289045
>Peter Parker and Mary Jane will never have a successful relationship because there's no interesting drama, tension or stakes in a marriage, at least nothing that appeals to a male audience.
good
Men don't want drama and useless shit like that
can't they just be together and happy with each other ?

>>150289109
You don't, you show them being happy, sure they can have some little argument about Peter being late for diner, Peter being afraid that his cum will be toxic (lmao) due to his mutation but no need for cheating and shit like that
Men don't want useless tension and stress at home

>>150277983 (OP)
Riri Williams
Batkek
/thread

/thread

>>150304656
whats this about spiderman doing a genocide run

>>150306736
>Frank
>Johnny
Turns out they had a writer in common pulling retarded retcons. I'll give you a hint: the same writer shat on a lot of other characters, often involving retcons.

>>150307815
Jason Aaron?

>>150307682
He ended up not doing one. Instead Paul killed billions of people, but it wasn't really his fault, because he felt bad about it.

>>150277983 (OP)
Heh

>>150308091
What was his kids' names anyways? Can any anon help me figure that one out?

>>150308091
kek

>>150306668
>>150293492
Fuck off.

>>150293492
>literally no reason why anything after 3 has to happen, you just say it does
Uh huh.

>>150308136
>>150308176
Wells or Slott?

>>150308136
Oh boy, the Polish Pedophile has slithered back in again! Got some more sweet fanfiction to share with us, faggot? Need us to change your diaper, be your psychiatrist, or fuck your ass?

>>150308182
Shut up, moron. A couple of bad writers doesn't mean the whole character is forever tainted and should never be used again
>>150308194
Dumbass.

>>150308182
Someone worse than either. It's the famous Polack child molester, Gwenschizo.

>>150308205
You're literally talking to the guy that wants to '''retire''' peter and spider-man as an IP. Are you this fucking stupid?

>>150308202
That's not what they're saying.

>>150308225
It literally is
>Shows why sometimes its best to just let things end and start afresh.
And like I said, there's no reason on their downgrading list that 4 and 5 have to happen. They're pulling that out of their assholes.

>>150308235
If anything he sounds like he's pushing for a reboot rather than pretending it's all been one continuous character.

>>150277983 (OP)
I love Paul. He got get some of this pussy.
Much respect.

>>150308258
Reboots don't happen with Marvel. Do you know anything about the company?

>>150308268
I hate him because he killed billions of people and acted like a total faggot about it.

>>150308277
It happens. And when it did, it was wildly successful!

>>150308301
This is a completely different universe, dipshit. They can't do this with 616 unless they reboot everything (also ask DC how that works out for them).

You're one of those faggots that want him to retire so Miles can take over in the main universe, don't you?

>>150308320
I'm one of the faggots that doesn't give a shit about 616, it's just a brand name at this point, and an increasingly devalued one.

A Peter Parker that fans actually liked continues to outsell the mainline by huge margins. Marvel should just ditch universe 616 as a concept.

>>150308366
Uh huh yeah. I'm sure removing Peter from the spotlight is a sure fire way to repair his character. And hey, maybe they could just TRY Miles, right? I mean Peter is spider-man in (universe no one will care about in a few years) so it's basically the same thing as now, right? Even better really! Not like anyone REALLY cares about his character, his history or any of his supporting cast, right?

Fuck off.

>>150308091
Haha

>>150308403
Marvel doesn't. Most of them are dead. 616 Peter is in a stagnant rut that he can't get out of.

Miles can stay in 616, though, as it continues to circle the drain before finally falling in.

>>150308418
There we go. At least you admit what you're actually getting at, nigger-man fan.

And no, a few bad writers does not make a character unsalvageable.

>>150308431
Decades of bad writers has made 616 unsalvageable. Again, I'm not one of this Polish retards that bleat out 'i-i-it only actually matters if it's 616, urr hurr hurr durr durr durr'

>>150308452
Go away already. No one is buying your BS now that you've been exposed.

>>150289080
This.
The entire start of their relationship was Mary Jane finally stopping her party girl bullshit to actually open up to Peter in a serious manner.

>>150308471
Thanks for the posts, schizo. But you don't have it in you to maintain a coherent or sound argument. Relax.

>>150307107
>Miles gets to take over the "down on his luck teenager/young adult trying to balance life as a superhero" schtick

>Peter gets to be the well-rounded veteran superhero who never gives up and is a celebrated New York Hero who bridges the gap between the old guard and younger heroes

IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD?

>>150278722
Hatred of Jim Shooter.
Not even joking. ALL hatred for Peter and MJ goes back to everyone hating Jim Shooter. And what was his second biggest contribution to Spider-Lore outside of introducing the Black Costume? The Marriage of Peter Parker and Mary Jan Watson.

Remember, the original point of the Clone Saga was to get rid of Peter and MJ so that Spider-Man can go back to being a hip, young single dude.

>>150288665
>Terry wasn't cuckolding anyone
Speedy.
Donna's love interest was always Speedy.

>>150308512
Apparently yes and Marvel would rather be retarded.

>>150289387
>no Eddie
>no Flash
>no Harry
And these are just the obvious ones that come to mind.

>>150277983 (OP)
>>150294489
>>150294782
I actually really dislike they way MJ is drawn nowadays, and I don't know why. Her "new" closet also sucks major monkey ballz, like please Marvel buy some proper fashion magazines for these fuckfaces.
>>150295554
And for comparison, I like U2-MJ's looks.

Wouldn't retconing OMD fix things?

>>150304791
>Who in their right mind would trust a guy like that to be their tech support?

Some shady organization for when the plot wants for it to happen
Paul probably starts up his own tech firm or black ops laboratory thing where he sells to the highest bidder who isn't already aware that the tech can just fucking super kill you and he becomes a minor plot villain because he's an idiot who thinks he's doing good and needs the money to find a place to stay as he is still bitter about MJ

>>150309606
It'd help, but for some reason editorial had refrained from taking that obvious and effortless lay-up and ended up having Hickman and Ultimate utterly dunk on them instead, much to their bitter chagrin. It's telling how desperately Marvel's Polish shills try to downplay it. It was definitely a black eye for them.

>pretend OMD never happened and put MJ and Peter back together
>delete every single nu-Spider-Man (Miguel isn't one so he's safe)
>Spider-Gwen can stay and warm Norman's bed
>Mephisto gets buck broken
>every single Spider-Man writer and editor from the last 20 years is publicly executed
simple as

Didn’t Dr Strange break the deal after winning it back? Have they done nothing with that?

>>150309842
piss off.

>>150309842
>delete every single nu-Spider-Man (Miguel isn't one so he's safe)
Even Kaine?

>>150309971
the clones are fine, honestly. But that's more down to them actually being formed by writers who cared about writing for these characters. So if you have that, then you can have them around.

Eddie Brock Carnage issue is out to storytime for those interested
Ignore spiderverse vs venomverse

>>150307828
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
If you look up, it's ridiculous how long he had been doing the same retarded shit. Even the female Ghost Rider replacement was from him, apparently.