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Anonymous No.150288586 >>150288684 >>150288797 >>150288811 >>150288829 >>150289006 >>150289292 >>150289392 >>150289761 >>150289836 >>150292016 >>150293532 >>150294488 >>150294875 >>150295418 >>150297667 >>150299100 >>150306008 >>150308432 >>150318306 >>150321176 >>150330670
I wish to learn more about Cassandra Cain, give me some recommendations and rundowns. I am starting from a knowledge base of zilch.
Anonymous No.150288658 >>150297023
That's so cool.
Anonymous No.150288684
>>150288586 (OP)
She's quiet.
Anonymous No.150288797
>>150288586 (OP)
She's the best Batgirl by a long shot
Anonymous No.150288811
>>150288586 (OP)

Young Justice season 4
Anonymous No.150288829 >>150288963
>>150288586 (OP)
I, on the other hand, wish to be her, like a fucking troon
Anonymous No.150288963 >>150289204
>>150288829
Get the fuck out of my thread.
Anonymous No.150289006 >>150289020 >>150289041 >>150289087
>>150288586 (OP)
Her series up until Shiva Fight is good. After that, you keep watching the series because of Damion Scott, who for some reason is the only person who knows how to draw Cass.
Anonymous No.150289020 >>150289033
>>150289006
You will not besmirch Rick Leonardi’s name here.
Anonymous No.150289033
>>150289020
His cass is okay. Damion's proportions are more realistic though.
Anonymous No.150289041
>>150289006
Anonymous No.150289087
>>150289006
examples?
Anonymous No.150289196
CAIN?
Anonymous No.150289204
>>150288963
You are in no position to make demands, or issue orders
Anonymous No.150289292
>>150288586 (OP)
Don't watch the Birds of Prey movie.
Anonymous No.150289392 >>150289496 >>150305428
>>150288586 (OP)

Well, the logical starting point is her solo comic. Not the current one, the original one from 2000. This has been collected partially into some TPBs (there's the old set of five books, the new set of two thick books that replaces some of them, and the new-new DC Finest book that retells the Shiva arc in compressed form). Some of it, including entirety of the Horrocks run, is unavailable outside of back issues or simply pirating them.

After you've gone through 73 issues of her original solo (and her origin story in No Man's Land), you can start with her current solo comic which pretty much continues directly from her 2006 comic, skipping the 20 years between. This is probably a good move since during those 20 years she appeared rarely and was mostly poorly used.

There was an attempt to reboot her as "Orphan" in NU52 that was botched and failed, and before that an incredibly unpopular attempt to turn her into a villain. Avoid those comics. Avoid the shitty BoP movie of course. Some random one-off stories use her okay, my favorite is Justice League Elite miniseries since it's one of the few things outside her own comic that accurately displays her abilities. She guest-stars in some late issues of Red Robin which is fine.
Anonymous No.150289496 >>150290373
>>150289392
Also what's the better way to view comic files these days?
Anonymous No.150289598 >>150295446 >>150297080
Anonymous No.150289761 >>150290021
>>150288586 (OP)
Anonymous No.150289836
>>150288586 (OP)
Batgirl 1 to 37. Other stuff can be good but that's the essential
T-o-C-A No.150290021 >>150293535 >>150293717
New thread, again? Man these are reccurent.
>>150289761
Would defintely add rebirth tec too to this. It is a little outdated.
T-o-C-A No.150290299
Anonymous No.150290373
>>150289496
Read ____online free
Anonymous No.150290506 >>150290884 >>150290897 >>150290958 >>150295616
>Good
Batgirl 2000
Rebirth Detective Comics
Batman and the Outsiders
Spirit World
Batgirl 2024
Detective Comics by Ram V
Birds of Prey 2024 issues 1 - 6

>Mediocre
Batgirl 2006
Batgirls
Everything after Birds of Prey 2024 issue 7

>Bad
Everything else.

Cass has a lot of great appearances and can definitely carry a great story. I really like her current Batgirl run, I like that she's actively gaining new threads on her life as well as losing threads that she's gained while living in Gotham. I know a lot of people do not like the hyperfixation on Shiva and her backstory but honestly I cannot see where the character can go from there if she doesn't engage with the assassin | kung fu shit DC is finally paying attention to now.
Anonymous No.150290884 >>150291022
>>150290506
Why do you say batgirls?
Anonymous No.150290897
>>150290506
She has a lot of other shit outside of that tho. Her solo really didn't focus on it.
Anonymous No.150290958 >>150291022
>>150290506
>Detective Comics by Ram V

Cass appears in that 50 issue story for like eight pages total and does almost literally nothing (her grand contribution is causing a minor distraction with Mr. Freeze that Freeze could have done alone).
Anonymous No.150291022 >>150291218 >>150291542
>>150290958
She actually has a couple of stories in there, one between her and her mom and one between her, Nightwing and Azrael.

>>150290884
Batgirls is very much an interim book for a Batman line that seemed pretty aimless for the rest of the cast outside of what Williamson was doing with Batman. It's a little too cute for my liking and a lot of the threads they were setting up from this book -- Maps becoming a partner with Cass for example -- didn't really pan out how it should've.
Anonymous No.150291218 >>150291542
>>150291022
I believe what that anon meant is why would you have Batgirls in anything other than the "bad" pile.
Anonymous No.150291542 >>150292556
>>150291022
>>150291218
No was curious as to why it was on the meh
Anonymous No.150292016 >>150295616
>>150288586 (OP)
Anonymous No.150292032
Cassandra Cain Reading Order:

>Post Crisis:

Batman: No Man's Land

Batgirl: Silent Knight

Batgirl: To the Death

Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive

Batgirl: Point Blank

Batgirl by Dylan Horrocks

Batman: War Games

Robin/Batgirl: Fresh Blood

Justice League Elite

Batgirl: Kicking Assassins

Batgirl: Destruction's Daughter

>Evil Period:

Robin: Wanted

Supergirl - Special

Teen Titans: Titans East

Robin - Little White Lies

Robin - Paid in Full

Batgirl: Redemption

>Post Infinite Crisis:

Batman and the Outsiders (2007)

Battle for the Cowl: The Network

Batgirl - Point of New Origin

Red Robin - Back to Front

Batman Incorporated - Nyktomorph

Red Robin - The Bigger Picture

Batman: Gates of Gotham

>Post Rebirth:

Batman & Robin Eternal

Batman: The Rise and Fall of the Batmen

Batman and the Outsiders: Lesser Gods

Batman and the Outsiders: A League of Their Own

Batman and the Outsiders: The Demon's Fire

The Joker War Saga

>Post Infinite Frontier:

Batman: Fear State

Batgirls: One Way or Another

Batgirls: Bat Girl Summer
Anonymous No.150292556 >>150293052
>>150291542
It's just not a book that is satisfying for anyone. Cass and Steph are written as young rookies for most of the run. Babs alternates between swooping in and solving the issue for them and being completely absent. There are no cool fights for Cass. Steph is almost a literal retard at times. It has some good issues, like the silent Cass issue.
Anonymous No.150293052 >>150293078
>>150292556
I enjoyed it
Anonymous No.150293078
>>150293052
Ok, why
Anonymous No.150293532
>>150288586 (OP)
Read Batgirl vol 1. Everything else is hit or miss.
Anonymous No.150293535 >>150293717 >>150295616
>>150290021
all these /co/ reading list images are a decade or more outdated, people usually gloss over that because the 2010s wasn't exactly notable for hallmark comics for most characters
Anonymous No.150293598 >>150294581
Nudist
Anonymous No.150293717 >>150295616 >>150303746
>>150290021
>>150293535
>outdated
In a sense, yeah, but less than the number of years suggests. Cass had extremely few appearances of any kind during the dark years between Flashpoint and last year, and what little she had was frequently insignificant or outright trash, like how she appeared in DC vs. Vampires just to get disrespected then disappear. Even the rare good bits, like the cute friendship between Clayface and her, are marred by being tied to the dead-end Orphan persona and basically noncanon.
Anonymous No.150294488
>>150288586 (OP)
Her solo series
Anonymous No.150294581
>>150293598
>On the first of the month we see clearly, to be clothed all the time costs us dearly
Anonymous No.150294875 >>150295616
>>150288586 (OP)
also can we get some smut?
Anonymous No.150295418 >>150295616 >>150296143 >>150297736 >>150303659
>>150288586 (OP)
Give it to me STRAIGHT, is her new solo decent?
Anonymous No.150295446
>>150289598
nice cass
T-o-C-A No.150295616 >>150295663
>>150290506
Nice to see tec both rebirth and the ram one here.

And eh, very much disagree, i dont think the martial arts angle is needed at all, nor even that cass particularly is stuck in a gotham "rut", like comparatively she has the most since post horrocks we've never had a solo run of her in gotham, its all been trying to either be in random cities, teams or SHIVA SHIVA SHIVA centric stuff. I think centering the whole book on her as an extension of shiva, for things shiva has actual narrative weight but not her, is a huge mistake, despite the actual characterization being good. Id say there's tons of places cass can go without it, cause its so mined, and has so little actual character meaning for cass (and even as far as dumb cool stuff, it doesnt do much).
>>150292016
>gabyrch over horrocks
The ending of gabrych's run is one of the worst endings to any comic series ive ever read, in my life.
>>150295418
Its a decent dc martial arts book starring cass, do you like that?
>>150293717
She was a regular in rebirth tec, and then outsiders, and then the co-lead in batgirls, and now birds of prey. Idk, cass has a bunch of apperences, especially compared to a lot of other characters.
>>150293535
Yeah
>>150294875
Got some new stuff.
Anonymous No.150295663 >>150295763 >>150295784
>>150295616
>Its a decent dc martial arts book starring cass, do you like that?
Sounds good. Does she talk?
Anonymous No.150295763 >>150296462
>>150295663
Yes, but she's quiet.
T-o-C-A No.150295784
>>150295663
Yeah
Anonymous No.150296143 >>150296199 >>150303593
>>150295418
It was a stealth Shiva book until a few issues ago and they are hinting that Cass is going to get magic blood powers.

I am not getting anything out of it that I wanted.
T-o-C-A No.150296171 >>150296438 >>150296887
The newest nsfw cass comm
https://files.catbox.moe/c0cayc.png
https://files.catbox.moe/j824hn.png
https://files.catbox.moe/qdshib.png
Anonymous No.150296199
>>150296143
They are actually hinting at the opposite as per the latest issue
>I don't want anything to do with this bullshit and I'm putting and end to it
Anonymous No.150296438 >>150296647
>>150296171
Do they always have to have these dumbass porn bodies?
Anonymous No.150296462 >>150297013 >>150299122
>>150295763
Well as long as she's not a chatterbox
T-o-C-A No.150296647 >>150296656 >>150296739 >>150296887
>>150296438
In what way? I wouldnt say they're that exaggerated, but i do prefer slightly bigger cass. Ive gotten some with a smaller cass, but not really my preference.
https://files.catbox.moe/bpolu1.png
T-o-C-A No.150296656
>>150296647
Also got this wip rn
https://files.catbox.moe/d1ux06.png
T-o-C-A No.150296711
Anonymous No.150296739 >>150296798
>>150296647
>I wouldnt say they're that exaggerated
I don't think she has J cup tits and hips the size of Wyoming
T-o-C-A No.150296798 >>150297121 >>150303543
>>150296739
Wouldnt say those are j lol. Dunno, it is r34 art. If anything i think latley ive been getting cass smaller than prior,even if end of the day, ill get what i want lol.
Anonymous No.150296887 >>150303673
>>150296171
I like this enough.
>>150296647
How much Cass nsfw you have?
Anonymous No.150297013
>>150296462
She isnt
Anonymous No.150297023
>>150288658
What?
Anonymous No.150297080 >>150297115 >>150297557
>>150289598
ASS
Anonymous No.150297115 >>150297398
>>150297080
Anonymous No.150297121 >>150303673
>>150296798
Do more farmgirl Cass
Anonymous No.150297398
>>150297115
Kek
Anonymous No.150297557 >>150297646
>>150297080
CASS
Anonymous No.150297646
>>150297557
Cass ass
Anonymous No.150297667
>>150288586 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxd0vk-pjY
Anonymous No.150297736 >>150297906 >>150301833
>>150295418
>Give it to me STRAIGHT, is her new solo decent?

It's really frustrating, because it seems to me like the writer is trying pretty hard to make it work, and he might even be trying the right things, but he chose to try them at a very wrong time.

What he's doing is he's trying to tie Cass more tightly to the Denny O'Neil kung fu mythos from the 70's/80's, where Shiva comes from. This is kind of a logical thing to do because 1) she already has a built-in connection to that crowd via her mother, and 2) it's a way to give Cass connections that aren't just Bat-family stuff. Allies and enemies that belong purely to her. He's also doing a bunch of continuity cleanup at the same time, Shiva's backstory had a lot of contradicting details and he's kind of putting them together in a way that mostly makes sense. This is all good in theory. In fact I'm half liking it.

So what's the problem? The problem is the timing. Cass has been effectively a non-character for EIGHTEEN YEARS. There was a seven year period where she didn't have a single appearance (because Didio banned use of her) and after that she's been reimagined thrice (Eternal, Shadow of Batgirl and that Black Label BoP book, which all can fuck off). She's been in the shitter for so long that people can vote who weren't born when she was cool the last time.

Then, miraculously, she gets a solo book again. Once-in-a-generation chance to fix her career. Her new book should have had one goal only: showing people why they need to give a shit about her. Make her look cool. Let her show off her best shit to a new audience. It was so, so important that the book does that. And... it doesn't. It doesn't really do that.

Brombal had the idea of making her an underdog for the whole first arc. She spent the first six issues getting dragged from scene to scene against her will and pretty much getting her ass kicked. Then she vanished from her own book entirely for two issues, which were an extended flashback (cont).
Anonymous No.150297859 >>150301833
I'm enjoying her new series, and her dynamic with Barda in Birds of Prey is charming. Cass stocks are looking good right now, brehs.
Anonymous No.150297885 >>150297927 >>150297957 >>150298034 >>150298170 >>150301833
So why does DC hate this character so much? Fans seem to love her.
Anonymous No.150297906 >>150301833 >>150302942
>>150297736
(cont)
- flashback of Shiva's youth, before Cass's birth. After those she's finally been getting some minor W's. They introduced Tenji whose only job seems to be verbally glazing her (I personally hate this sort of thing, you should show characters being cool instead of having another character say they're cool). But it comes so late. It's been almost a year since her solo book started. The first part was just a slog in the mud, for a character who has already been dragged through shit for nearly two decades.

The tragedy is that if this exact same arc, with no changes, was released during a time when Cassandra Cain/Batgirl is secure and well established as a character that has a permanent role in the DC universe, I would likely praise it. Because it's not awful. It's just doing the mostly-right thing at the wrong time.
Anonymous No.150297927
>>150297885
Pretty sure it was mostly the old guard who tried to push her out to bring back Barb because they didn't like legacy characters in general. Look what happened to Wally for more of this shit. Still, she has her own ongoing and is prominent in other titles now, so it seems to be getting better.
Anonymous No.150297957 >>150301833 >>150304880
>>150297885
- Dan Didio was in charge of DC for most of her existence, and Didio always had a pathological hatred of all "sidekick" characters including her.
- Several boomers like Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee dislike her simply because she's not Barbara Gordon. "Not muh batgirl" syndome.
- Just evil and dumb I guess?
Anonymous No.150298034
>>150297885
>Bweaaaah, not MY Batgirl like in the 1960s show! Only Barbara Gordon can be Batgirl! What do you mean she's in a wheelchair? Get her outta that, we can't have some CRIPPLE. She's Batgirl again, like when I was a kid!
Anonymous No.150298170
>>150297885
Characters thrive based on if they were a creator's favorite when they were a kid. The old guard all grew up jorking it to Babsgirl, but they've mostly moved on and now we're getting creators that grew up with Cass.
Anonymous No.150299100 >>150299369 >>150299541
>>150288586 (OP)
Character with very little going for her, carried by Helena Bertinelli's bondage/fetish suit, yellow fever, and coomers.
Anonymous No.150299122
>>150296462
>https://files.catbox.moe/bpolu1.png
Why does she look like Anne Frank?
Anonymous No.150299369 >>150300044
>>150299100
>has to include THREE excuses while also pointedly avoiding talking about her unique character
Weak
Anonymous No.150299541
>>150299100
>bondage fetish
Hot
Anonymous No.150300044 >>150300081 >>150300090 >>150300762
>>150299369
Everything unique about her was redone less than a decade later with a more important character.
Cass is like proto-Damian, with 99% less autism.
Anonymous No.150300056 >>150300619 >>150301270 >>150307727
Cass's new book has given us one very important thing: absolute confirmation that she wears black lipstick under the mask
Anonymous No.150300081 >>150300195
>>150300044
literally all she has in common with Damian is being young when trained
Anonymous No.150300090
>>150300044
>cass having less autism than literally anyone else
Anonymous No.150300195 >>150300251 >>150300358 >>150301833
>>150300081
>introduce a little murder bot that Batman doesn't really want
>have batman's former sidekick take the murder bot under their wing and give them their old legacy
>they find a place in the batman family under the legacy identity
>batman eventually warms up to the murder bot and becomes a father figure to them
fuck off
Anonymous No.150300251
>>150300195
Damian is "what if a spoiled little brat with a penchant for murder became robin"

Cass is "what if an extremely depressed feral child became batgirl"
Anonymous No.150300358
>>150300195
>a little murder bot
That is way too simplified for both Cassandra and Damian.
Anonymous No.150300619
>>150300056
Nice
Anonymous No.150300762
>>150300044
That's a point against Damian not against cass
Anonymous No.150301270
>>150300056
Very lucha libre
Anonymous No.150301819
T-o-C-A No.150301833
>>150297736
I dunno if its the right thing, he does have a good cass voice, but i think the idea is pretty shallow for cass, especially longterm since...the dc martial arts thing is not that intresting.
>>150297859
BOP's fun
>>150297885
They dont hate her rn, but it was very much just "she's not barbara" for a bit.
>>150297906
I think the fact that so many cass stories already revolve around shiva, and its like starting your brand new batman run with a joker arc, and then dragging that out for 15 issues.
>>150297957
Well not ALL, he liked jason and damian, and jaime.
>>150300195
Ehh cass isnt really a murderbot, and bruce basically welcomed her instantly (during the david cain encounter). Cass is also not antagonistic towards anyone and more generallly unaware, vs napoelon complex "wants to murder to prove his worth" damian. We also..never saw bruce accept damian, since that happened off panel lol.
Anonymous No.150302256 >>150310572
She's both cool AND sexy in equal measure, which is a rare occurrence for a woman in comics
T-o-C-A No.150302590 >>150302621
Anonymous No.150302621 >>150302796
>>150302590
I know little about Cassandra Cain, I know even less about Stephanie Brown. I think I keep confusing her with the one from The Dark Knight Returns.
Anonymous No.150302796 >>150302832
>>150302621
>I keep confusing a blonde chick with a redhead

I'm sorry to hear about your color blindness.
Anonymous No.150302832
>>150302796
I don't even know what Stephanie Brown looks like, dude. I just think of "female sidekick" and think of the female Robin from TDKR.
Anonymous No.150302942 >>150302980
>>150297906
Shiva grew up in the most ancient Chinese part of 1980s China. They didn't even have the CCP.
Anonymous No.150302980 >>150309583
>>150302942
>Beegirl
Anonymous No.150303543 >>150303673
>>150296798
Thanks for sharing your commissions, anon. Pretty cool of you.
Anonymous No.150303593 >>150303630
>>150296143
more like a general streamlining/realignment book for the whole Shiva and Cass side of things
Anonymous No.150303630 >>150303673 >>150303770
>>150303593
Nah, for the first eight issues it really seemed like Shiva was the main character. Shiva was the one making all the decisions and Cass was just getting dragged into them with her. It was not good.
Anonymous No.150303659
>>150295418
yes, decent
T-o-C-A No.150303673 >>150309569
>>150297121
Funny you say that.
>>150296887
Thanks! And it says 672 files, but that's counting alts and some fics.
>>150303543
I will do so as long as i can afford to :)
>>150303630
Tbh, even now, most of this is just an extension of shiva.
Anonymous No.150303746
>>150293717
>Cass had extremely few appearances of any kind during the dark years between Flashpoint and last year
oh I know but that statement was a general one, not just Cass
Anonymous No.150303770
>>150303630
it still feels that way to an extent desu
T-o-C-A No.150304075
T-o-C-A No.150304264
Anonymous No.150304369 >>150304490 >>150304509 >>150304538 >>150317464
>Batgirl
>Orphan
>Black Bat
What's with the rotating names for these sidekicks? They do it with Robins too
Anonymous No.150304490
>>150304369
DC's inability to maintain a status quo despite simultaneously also trying to not maintain one, it's very paradoxical
Anonymous No.150304509
>>150304369
There's Robin but also Red Robin. That's not confusing.
Anonymous No.150304538
>>150304369
Character takes a different name.
Anonymous No.150304625 >>150312253
>Die you faggot!
I can't believe those were her first words on panel.
Anonymous No.150304880
>>150297957
can't remember a single good thing DiDio did that wasn't chiefly attributed to someone else
Anonymous No.150305428
>>150289392
This is more or less what I needed, thanks
Anonymous No.150306008 >>150306529 >>150306592 >>150306907 >>150306994 >>150309186 >>150311251 >>150314953 >>150320871 >>150327647
>>150288586 (OP)
Why do people dislike the Orphan era?
Anonymous No.150306119 >>150307404 >>150307907
Reminder that she is buck naked underneath that bat catsuit
Anonymous No.150306529 >>150327647
>>150306008
it was a cheap attempt
Anonymous No.150306592 >>150306733
>>150306008
I don't think people dislike the stories, but they definitely dislike the Orphan identity.
Anonymous No.150306733 >>150306994
>>150306592
Yeah that's what I'm asking
Anonymous No.150306907
>>150306008
Trying to have your cake and eat it too
Anonymous No.150306994 >>150307064
>>150306008
>>150306733
It's just a dead-end identity that pleases no one. It was created because she couldn't be Batgirl, or probably even bat-related because this was the era when nothing could even potentially challenge Babs for the Batgirl mantle. So they created Orphan, a title Cass took from her murderous dad for unclear reasons.
Anonymous No.150307064
>>150306994
yeah it's basically like trying to use the general gist of her Batgirl persona except not as Batgirl, which just reminds you that they erased her (and Stephanie Brown's) entire tenures as Batgirl to return purely to the now ancient days of Barbara as Batgirl

just putting her in an offbrand Cassandra Cain Batgirl persona is lame
Anonymous No.150307384 >>150308092 >>150312105 >>150320871
Personally I liked Red Robin and Black Bat for Tim and Cass.
Anonymous No.150307404
>>150306119
Nice
Anonymous No.150307727 >>150307754
>>150300056
that's just her natural lips
Anonymous No.150307754
>>150307727
Cass is so goth that her lips are naturally black?
Anonymous No.150307907
>>150306119
whoa
Anonymous No.150308092
>>150307384
Same
Anonymous No.150308432
>>150288586 (OP)
She's hot.
Anonymous No.150309186
>>150306008
Bad costume
Anonymous No.150309230 >>150309539 >>150309701
Hood rat.
Anonymous No.150309539
>>150309230
Why
Anonymous No.150309569
>>150303673
Nice
Anonymous No.150309583
>>150302980
Queen bee?
Anonymous No.150309701 >>150309716
>>150309230
I commissioned a redraw of this panel, will share when it's done
Anonymous No.150309716 >>150309808
>>150309701
Which artist?
Anonymous No.150309808 >>150309822
>>150309716
https://x.com/encariah1
Anonymous No.150309822 >>150309844
>>150309808
You Cass anon, muscle anon or someone new?
Anonymous No.150309844 >>150310040 >>150310188
>>150309822
Muscle anon, but I'm branching out into less extreme muscles on Cass
Anonymous No.150309866 >>150315393 >>150320871
Sneak preview
Anonymous No.150309937
And another comm i just got
Anonymous No.150310040
>>150309844
>I'm branching out into less extreme muscles on Cass
good
Anonymous No.150310188
>>150309844
Nice. buff but not massive Cass is good
Anonymous No.150310572 >>150310861 >>150311954
>>150302256
not really
Anonymous No.150310861 >>150311181
>>150310572
Yes really
Anonymous No.150311181
>>150310861
Wonder Woman, Black Widow, Supergirl, Storm, etc. all are examples of comic book women who are cool AND sexy
Anonymous No.150311251
>>150306008
It's just tied into a pretty fast cheap way to bring Cass back. The complex relationship between her dad and her was gone. The impact of her training and what it did to her leans primarily on the old/previous story. All the background was badly written. her new origin was trash. As a character I think they had some really good ideas about her view of herself and how she interpreted physical movements beyond fighting. I really liked the Clayface relationship. But it's one of those bad first impression things. And they've removed all her scars.
Anonymous No.150311381
fwiw I liked the Orphan armor she wore, it’s just everything else that’s mediocre and/or a shitty retcon
Anonymous No.150311422
Perfection
Anonymous No.150311954
>>150310572
She absolutely is.
Anonymous No.150312105 >>150312223 >>150312253
>>150307384
Did this awaken something in Tim and made him gay?
Anonymous No.150312223 >>150312884
>>150312105
remember that time cass wore the babsgirl costume and tim got a boner
Anonymous No.150312253
>>150312105
>>150304625
haven't paid much attention to DC in recent years, just looked this up and they really just pulled this completely out of their ass at random like that? one issue and they suddenly go after 30+ years "uh he likes men actually"?
Anonymous No.150312758
Anonymous No.150312884 >>150312996 >>150316162
>>150312223
Cass was looking so fine in that costume that Tim almost died.
Anonymous No.150312934 >>150312996 >>150313003 >>150316162 >>150321607
Anonymous No.150312945 >>150314390
She's cool.
Anonymous No.150312996
>>150312884
>>150312934
I do like how Cass is just like "will this guy just SHUT THE FUCK UP" the entire time
Anonymous No.150312998 >>150313059
Don't do drugs, kids.
Anonymous No.150313003
>>150312934
Keep your eye on the ball, Tim.
Anonymous No.150313059 >>150313162 >>150313187
>>150312998
Does she only communicate in tiny responses?
Anonymous No.150313162
>>150313059
While she is working, Cass should be all business. If she's talking trash, then the fight is already over.
Anonymous No.150313187 >>150313977
>>150313059
She's not the most verbose character
Anonymous No.150313977 >>150314590
>>150313187
me on the left
Anonymous No.150314390
>>150312945
Anonymous No.150314590
>>150313977
Kek
Anonymous No.150314604 >>150315009 >>150315136
Did they retcon Cass being scarred up from her upbringing? Just noticed in the recent stories she's popped up in, she doesn't seem to have them anymore.
Anonymous No.150314843 >>150320958
Anonymous No.150314953 >>150315420
>>150306008

It changed her perfect origin story into absolute trash (Batman & Robin Eternal is one of the worst, most unsatisfying comics ever and Cass does almost nothing in it except heroically beating up an 80-year-old woman). Erased all her stories ever. All just to convince boomers that she can't threaten Babsgirl's spot as the "real" Batgirl (which she lost anyway). The whole identity was made to hobble and diminish her.

On top of all that, her Orphan outfit is extremely unsexy. One of the main reasons I got into Cass in 2000 was because she was quite simply really hot in her outfit.
Anonymous No.150315009
>>150314604
Scars are firmly canon, but artists almost never actually draw them.
Ghost of Forrester No.150315063
Boo.
Anonymous No.150315136
>>150314604
Only that one page has ever actually depicted them, but they were mentioned in the original run. I wouldn't bet on them being drawn (though the current artist on her solo hasn't drawn her out of costume and has drawn her face pretty beat up a couple times...).
Anonymous No.150315393
>>150309866
Kino
Ghost of Forrester No.150315418 >>150328849
Anonymous No.150315420
>>150314953
Didn't they do this with another Bat character too?
Anonymous No.150315780
Anonymous No.150316162 >>150316539 >>150325940
>>150312884
>>150312934
What’s the moral stance on finding one’s adopted foster/step sister to be hot?
Like it’s not that weird right since it’s not actually incest or anything, right?
Anonymous No.150316277 >>150316352
Nudists
Anonymous No.150316352
>>150316277
I've heard that around town.
Anonymous No.150316539
>>150316162

Just go for it. You have absolutely no relation except some words on a paper.
Anonymous No.150317464 >>150317778 >>150318910 >>150318943
>>150304369

DC has this fucked up habit where they invent new versions of a legacy character (such as Batgirl, Robin, etc), then get second thoughts and try to bring the previous version back, but then they have two characters with the same name so they hastily invent some bullshit replacement title for the one they think is less important. Then those inevitably fail because they were rush jobs and didn't come organically, so they try to come up with another name sometimes, and it just gets messier.

I think DC would have saved a lot of headache if they just had a hard policy that any given name can only be on one character, no ifs or buts.
Anonymous No.150317778 >>150317832
>>150317464
Emutsoc?
Anonymous No.150317832 >>150318293
>>150317778

That's Zatanna in the bottom corner
Anonymous No.150318293
>>150317832
Oh, I don't know much about her other than she has fishnets.
Anonymous No.150318306 >>150318385
>>150288586 (OP)
she's cute is what she is
Anonymous No.150318313
d'ya think cass could make someone nut by hitting pressure points
Anonymous No.150318385
>>150318306
Cass is cute! CUTE!
Anonymous No.150318910
>>150317464
Kino art
Anonymous No.150318943
>>150317464
This is a canon Halloween costume in DC.
Anonymous No.150318956 >>150319074 >>150320746
Anonymous No.150319074
>>150318956
cass about to give that dude the bane punch that makes him 2 feet shorter
Anonymous No.150319733
Anonymous No.150320554 >>150320683 >>150321142
I love Cassandra Cain. She is my favorite character, and some day she will have a story that's as good as the stories I come up with about her in my head.
Anonymous No.150320683
>>150320554
that one day will be when you put pen on paper and write your story yourself anon, I believe in you
Anonymous No.150320746
>>150318956
she cute
T-o-C-A No.150320871
>>150306008
Mostly the name (whole batfam other than steph and babs are orphans already), but in general it was "batless" cass, and cass very much takes personal meaning from being a bat. But tec was honestly a fun book, and outsiders was good too, so there's at least some stuff out there with orphan cass.
>>150307384
They're not terrible, its very much a middle ground angle, but they work for what they are. Still odd cass as black bat wears less black than as batgirl.
>>150309866
nice muscle anon!
Anonymous No.150320958
>>150314843
me cleverly disguised as an ice cream
T-o-C-A No.150321142
>>150320554
The puckett run is excellent ngl.
Anonymous No.150321176
>>150288586 (OP)
She is introduced in no mans land and then she has a solo title almost immediately after that
Anonymous No.150321607
>>150312934
surprised she didn't punch him right then and there like with the rest
T-o-C-A No.150321659 >>150321957 >>150321978 >>150324196
New farmgirl cass comm.
Anonymous No.150321957
>>150321659
Nice
Anonymous No.150321978 >>150326826
>>150321659
that fellow is flying
Anonymous No.150322433
Anonymous No.150322595 >>150322933 >>150323527
Anonymous No.150322933
>>150322595
Looks like someone smacked both cheeks
Anonymous No.150322948 >>150323009
Anonymous No.150323009
>>150322948
Cute!
Anonymous No.150323527
>>150322595
ass noot big enough
Anonymous No.150324196
>>150321659
really cool!
Anonymous No.150324695 >>150325021
i wish it was me
Anonymous No.150325021
>>150324695
why does her suit look so bright gray here
Anonymous No.150325230
That ass won't quit
Anonymous No.150325940 >>150326257
>>150316162
Neither one of them were adopted yet at that point, so Tim going after Cass would have just been good sense.
Anonymous No.150326257 >>150326473
>>150325940
Tim is gay. Homosexual. He globs on dicks. Takes it up where the Sun don't shine. Poop hole. Diarrhea for lube.
Anonymous No.150326473
>>150326257
I don't acknowledge pride month retcons.
Anonymous No.150326734 >>150326826
who the fuck is shipping Tim and Cass, that's probably the dumbest Batfam ship I've heard
Anonymous No.150326744 >>150327182
T-o-C-A No.150326826
>>150326734
It was very popular for a long while, not one i like, but its a very "oldhead" type thing from what i can observ
>>150321978
And drinking .
Anonymous No.150327182
>>150326744
Nice
Anonymous No.150327249 >>150328038 >>150330117
She was awesome around the Batman Murdered arc and her comic book at that time. She is probably the best of all the Batkids.
Anonymous No.150327647
>>150306008
>>150306529
seems like I forgot to finish my train of thought but others have thankfully already elaborated better than I could, it was a cheap attempt at bringing her back without making her Batgirl because they were too obsessed with resetting Babs being Oracle, and overall served to add nothing interesting to her character
Anonymous No.150328038
>>150327249
Agreed
T-o-C-A No.150328814
Anonymous No.150328849
>>150315418
I actually just bought the issue this was the cover for. Neat!
Anonymous No.150329072 >>150329863
T-o-C-A No.150329425
Anonymous No.150329863
>>150329072
Big cass
Anonymous No.150330117
>>150327249
Yep
Anonymous No.150330670 >>150331481 >>150332144 >>150332146 >>150332378 >>150332698
>>150288586 (OP)
She's the best Batgirl.
Anonymous No.150331481
>>150330670
Agreed
Anonymous No.150332144
>>150330670
Based
Anonymous No.150332146
>>150330670
She's the most bat girl if that makes sense.
Anonymous No.150332378 >>150333336
>>150330670
True
Anonymous No.150332698 >>150333309
>>150330670
Bold statement in a cass thread
Anonymous No.150333309
>>150332698
Get used to it!
Anonymous No.150333336
>>150332378
nice
Anonymous No.150333934
I always thought this character had a great premise because she's the ultimate martial artist already and I wanted to see Batman help her grow as a person and teach her to be a human being but I read the 3 TPs they released of her 2000 series and that was hardly the case, since Batman was a fucking jerkass during that time. He was a fucking daddy issues asshole in this series and he treated her like he treats everyone, leaving Oracle to be the one to guide her, which I found a little dissappointing. I still liked some of the issues (not when they magically took away Cass's autism though, that was bullshit), the art was great, some covers and moments were really iconic (pic related, her friendship with Steph, that one issue where Dick, Tim and her re-enact a crime scene), but overall, the first 37 issues left me a little cold. Not bad, but maybe I just overhyped myself.

So how's the next part of the series? I mean, I will probably still buy it if/when it's re-printed in DC Finest but what's the consensus on it?