Thread 150289714

Costume shot from the aborted Netflix Grendel series. Wonder how much was filmed.

What I think is a behind the scenes shot of Jamie Ray Newman as Jocasta Rose in makeup for a dream sequence or something.

Abubakr Ali as Hunter having a not so great time.

>>150289714 (OP)
It's not a terrible rendition of the suit, but it's missing something.
Wagner always made Hunter's outfit slightly billowy, like it's a dancer's outfit rather than battle armor.

>>150289714 (OP)
Genuinely sick

>>150290006
You’re on to something I do like how it’s kinda loose

The only antihero with a /ss/ origin story.

>>150289714 (OP)
KILL EACH OTHER
KILL EACH OTHER

>>150291051
>hunter rose
>anti-hero
???????????

>>150291591
Well what am I supposed to call him- "Protagonist"? He's not heroic, but his name is on the book so that effectively makes him the "hero".

Grendel has to be one of the most astroturfed IPs in comics.
The original run isn't even decent.

>>150291652
Anon he's an unambiguous badguy. He's literally just the villain of the story.

>>150289714 (OP)
This.. actually doesnt look bad

>>150291700
>astroturfed
Bitch what? What the fuck is your definition of "astrotrufed"?

>>150291735
It's still HIS story though. Much like Poe's Conqueror Worm, Rose is the driving force.
It's not called Argent The Wonderous Wolf (Plus Some Asshole Named Grendel).

>>150291982
The word you are thinking of is protagonist

>>150289714 (OP)
The entire season was filmed and (maybe) in post-production. Netflix still controls the rights to it because of their deal with Dark Horse and now the zombie VC company managing Dark Horse's remains. As far as I can remember Netflix has never licensed one of their shows (maybe outside of the Marvel deal) to another company or streaming service.

>>150289714 (OP)
cool

Grendel comes in lots of flavors: Tumblr sexyman, MILF, Terminator.

>>150293694
whhoa

>>150294719
>>>/aco/8976713
More where that came from.

>>150293694
>>150294932
Not enough grendel porn really

>>150294957
Sex has always swirled around Grendel, but outside his "origin" he doesn't partake much.
Though I believe Hunter (and maybe Argent too) is basically a lolicon for Stacey.

>>150289714 (OP)
>>150291796
Its hard to say without context but this looks like they're going for a modified fencing outfit which was his first draft of the suit but his final costume should really be either the theater suit or his tux mask combo, the mask especially should be smooth fabric if nothing else.

>>150291652
He’s the protagonist but that doesn’t make him the good guy

>>150295448
>is basically a lolicon for Stacey.
Nah, Argent liked her because she didn't see him as a monster at first and Hunter actually saw her as his daughter although for all intents and purposes she was basically his pet.

Will Grendel get reprinted at some point?

>>150295562
What do you mean? The omnis have been out for years now.

>>150289741
GOD I love seeing sandfaggots bleed.

>>150295538
I don't blame people for thinking Hunter sexually exploited her, that happened to her a lot later on. And they always made her think of Hunter in some way or another.
"The Nature of the Beast is always Male."

>>150295620
I feel like the damage hunter did to her was always explicitly psychological. He was a total psychopath who inserted himself into her life for shits and giggles and then on a whim decided he would "keep" her after murdering her only family.

>>150295538
>>150295620
I think Wagner wrote Hunter to be more possessive than prurient. Like anon said, Stacy is the daughter Hunter and Rose never had.
Buuuuut if someone wanted to do a little fanfic writing I don't think it would be the hugest leap to make Hunter into a lolicon utterly obsessed with Stacy.

>>150295791
>I don't think it would be the hugest leap to make Hunter into a lolicon utterly obsessed with Stacy.
Maybe but I feel like Hunters one and only will always be Jocasta abd you can't really take that away without fucking up the character.

>>150289714 (OP)
I don't know anything about Grendel but I've always thought he looked cool.

>>150295874
Thats basically the main draw. The actual comics are a roller coaster of quality that range from drunken napkin doodles to "what the fuck am I reading?"

>>150295867
Counter argument: Hunter was groomed, cycle of abuse, the cyclical nature of Grendel’s existence, etc.

>>150296114
>groomed
He got fucking married man. He was hit with that soul destroying pussy. His life was so good that when she died the only thing he could think to do was put on a devil costume and take over New York and it STILL wasn't as good as her.

>>150289714 (OP)
>>150289723
I wonder how they would do Argent?

>>150289714 (OP)
Do you all really want Grendel to be that popular?

>>150289714 (OP)
cool

>>150297088
Bad CG or bad makeup.
I wonder if they intended to have this first season be all of Devil by the Deed and the next one would be Christine.

>>150299331
There is a chance it coulda led to an influx of normies discovering Grendel, but I wouldn't mind it if Matt Wagner had a little more walking around money.

>>150293694
Too bad the Milf one is easily the worst part of the entire franchise

>>150295618
Lick Haim

>>150299339
based on what?

>>150289714 (OP)
Is any Grendel book as good as the first Mage book?

>>150302399
I legit never read Mage.
Is its publication history as convoluted as Grendel's?

>>150295620
>>150295791
Later on in one of the Black, White, Red minis, Wagner explicitly established that Hunter adopted Stacy because she looked like Jocasta, with all the unfortunate implications that retcon entails. And Wagner later doing further retcons (like Hunter murdering ever member of his fencing team PLUS all of the other fencers and judges at the event) purely because he came to hate Hunter and fans who saw him as a hero and wanted to straight up vilify him via retcons

>>150302752
Nah mage is like three limited series, and is well worth the read it some of Wagner's best work.

>>150297042
He was groomed and fucked by a female pedophile. Wagner was up front with the fact in later works that Jocasta was a chomo and pretty much laid the groundwork for Hunter becoming a monster by turning the young teen I to s soulless libertine

>>150299331
I just want Wagner to redo the Hunter Rose saga as an actual comic, not a long out of print fucking 48 page special that is all text piece over static drawings

>>150303960
Grendel isn't as good as Mage but it's fun to read. The early Hunter Rose stuff is the most fun (including the crossover with Batman) and then it's at a low point until you get to Orion's story and Grendel Prime.

>>150304910
>it's at a low point until you get to Orion's story and Grendel Prime.
Methhead Grendel is pretty fun if you can get past the WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS parts.

>>150305019
Oh I meant "Orion's Story" as including that version of Grendel.

>>150289714 (OP)
What's a Grendel?

>>150295791
She drawn weird here

>>150303943
>Hunter had the hots for Stacy all along.
FUCKING CALLED IT!

>>150304011
>long out of print
Pretty sure you can still pick it up in the Omnibus, but only in the black-white-red coloring.

>>150308024
If you think that's weird look at early Comico Stacy

>>150289714 (OP)
how's he gonna fit in that tight suit

>>150289714 (OP)
black and white photo

>>150309381
Very observant.

>>150289714 (OP)
Spider-Man ripoff

>>150289714 (OP)
Awesome design.

>>150306480
The creature from Beowulf.

>>150308116
Whaddaheck

>>150310822
Eh, it's descent.

>>150314695
*decent

>>150291051
Big boss

>>150291170
LOVE EACH OTHER
LOVE EACH OTHER

Grendel Vs. Usagi Yojimbo would be interesting.

>>150318770
Hunters biggest weakness has always been strength. He's a pure dex build.

>>150318770
Yeah it'd be a little interesting

>>150310054
not at all

>>150302399
I've never read Mage but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say probably not. Grendel has always been a very experimental beast for better and for worse and its hard to say how much of it is legitimate creative endeavor and how much of it is elaborate shitpost. If nothing else, I highly recommend the Shadow crossover.

>>150320321
True, true.

>>150323061
This looks great, def gonna check this one out

>>150302399
>>150323061
I'd go so far as to say all the Grendel crossovers are great. Both Batman/Grendel crossovers rule.

We need more Grendel thread

>>150313240
Matt agner is inspiring because early on he kinda fucking sucks. You can tell he has a good mind for composition, and there's some moments he's punching above his rudimentary skill level, but it was a shocker to see just how rough the original Grendel is

>>150326303
I wonder if Wagner was into manga at the time. 1982 meant you couldn't exactly stroll into Walden's and grab a shit load of stuff, but the early Comico Grendel has this whiff of anime/manga aesthetics.

>>150291652
The protagonist is the main character of a story. It doesn't mean "good guy."

>>150326340
Almost certainly, granted a lot of this early anime/manga influence was more surface level and more visuals/ proportions than page composition. Even if he didn't directly cite influences,so many other indies were inspired by anime (and literally anime, not as much manga-- funny that even in Japan there would be a coming wave of artists inspired by anime more than manga).
You could probably find some manga if you were in the scene at least. Any place in a major city with a significant Japanese population would be importing books, especially on the west coast. And considering Comic con was in SD, a lot of them could get into circulation that way. I wouldn't be surprised if Wagner looked at(if not read) some Tezuka since there were already some books and a handful of translations ofMighty Atom/Astro Boy in the early 80s. Or course there could just be the influence of Astro Boy being on US TV too.

>>150291652
You can have a morally devoid main character, anon.

>>150326030
do we really?

>>150328139
Not really.

>>150290006
It's too tight, Grendel is a ninja, his outfit should flow

>>150326665
>>I NO LIKE DAT.
Haha, oh man. Well, gotta start somewhere when you're a writer.
A Tezuka style Grendel would be pretty cool.

>>150329770
Yeah I don't know why, but that line is so weird I also took me back when reading it. A lot of 80's indie comics has really awkward writing where it feels like the writers are shut-ins who don't really speak to other people much.
It kinda reminds me of a boomer coworker I had at a supermarket job I had. she'd just make awkward jokes with phrasing like that

>>150326340
He reminds me of Phil Folgio kinda

>>150328976
damn

>>150289714 (OP)
Power Rangers?

>>150289714 (OP)
It's funny I own a trade that says ''the comics that inspired the Netflix show''

>>150332833
not that funny

>>150332833
thats sad

I gotta get this figure. Though Hunter's face looks a little old, but that's a nitpick.

>>150337906
tempted to grab this one myself

>>150289723
>>150289741
This casting choice still baffles me. Race swapping aside he looks absolutely nothing like any rendition of Hunter and from what I've seen from promo material and leaks they didn't even try to get his hair or physical attributes right (hence the bulky suit design). This was fucking hitman levels of what were they thinking.

>>150340492
While the idea that we almost got a Grendel show is pretty wild, there was virtually zero chance it was going to be good in any way, shape, or form. The whole thing was a conga line of red flags that all led to to the conclusion that this was a Grendel adaptation in name only.

>>150340492
Physical features are always secondary to acting talent. Obsessing that something doesn’t look exactly like the comic is the most inane and superficial complaint

>>150311959
Wait... Is that what it is?

>>150341630
When you're creating an adaptation of an established IP, making the conscious decision to ignore the look and feel of the source material is the first sign that whoever is in charge does not give a singular shit about the characters and world they're supposed to be working with.

Is there a reading list to get me started on Grendel? Looks like some cool underground stuff I'm trying to get into.

>>150343948
The omnis are the way to go. They have everything but the crossovers and the new prime stuff. They just got reprinted too if you want physical copies.

>>150343877
Hunter Rose has gone from a young man with dark hair to a young man with slightly curly dark hair. Truly this is an egregious slight against you personally.

>>150343948
Grendel Omnibus 1 is the easiest way to jump in. It contains Grendel: Devil By the Deed, which is basically the story of Hunter Rose, the first Grendel.
If you wanna get into the nitty gritty, Devil By the Deed is a retelling of the old Comico Grendel seen here >>150329883 but with better art and writing.

>>150344143
>adaptations shouldn't actually try to stay true to the source material because uhhhh just because okay!

>>150344269
Are you this much of an autist when Batman doesn't have completely white eyes in all the movies?

>>150344269
Staying true to the source material doesn’t just mean “has to look exactly the same”.

>>150344303
Anon if you seriously think the only issue here is that his hair is fucking curly I honestly dont know what to tell you. If your sole criteria for what makes a character hunter rose is "young man" then you deserve all the terrible Netflix slop you want.

>>150344349
The whole point of Hunter Rose is that he is the construct of a young man who wanted to be anyone but himself.
The one person in the Comico Grendel that recognizes Hunter as "Eddie" is immediately killed, practically on the spot.

But do tell, what else do you have a problem with?

>>150344329
No, but its a good first step. You can have your own vision for a story and you can obviously make changes to a preexisting story to help bring it to TV. But there's a limit to what you can reasonably stripping away or change and doing the bare minimum is ideal.

>>150344415
Your complaining about the actor’s looks don’t match 100% so it’s bad even though the costume design for Grendel is on point. It just shows how nitpicky you are being.

>>150344139
It's perfect. Looks like it was made to scratch an itch I feared unscratchable. Buyin' this bad boy pronto. Thanks.

>>150344407
>>150344472
>missing the point this hard
Hunter isn't just an archetypal caricature of a young successful man, he's a walking vortex of evil who sucks in and destroys everything around himself. Hes an identity being put on by Eddie but he's really all thats left of him. From the time Jocasta dies to the time he's killed he lives as a creature of pure ego who whole heartedly believes he's the greatest thing alive and views murder as a sport where he always wins. And to be quite honest I get none of that from Ali. No offense to the guy but hes a generic pretty boy who really doesn't appear to have the look or physical presence to pull off Hunter. And yes the fact that they seemingly (I didn't see it in the leaked stuff so correct me if im wrong here) couldn't even be bothered to give him Hunters trademark white streaks is very much a red flag.

>>150289714 (OP)
Hopefully they'd have cut out the part where he dates a grown woman as a teen

>>150344951
You're not wrong about Hunter being a vortex of evil, but also he is keenly aware of the persona he has constructed, how he can use it to manipulate people to his favor. Hell, the whole Batman/Grendel book is one big "we're not so different" thing comparing Hunter and Bruce.
Yeah, Ali is a prettyboy, but if someone were to make a Grendel today, that's what a celebrity author the public adors would look like.

If we're gonna complain about changed appearances for ANYONE it'd be Jocasta. She's supposed to be mother/lover but has no resemblance to Hunter whatsoever, meanwhile, no matter what artist draws her in the comic or what art/hair style, it's ALWAYS dark hair.
Anyways, this whole discussion is ridiculous cause neither of us can watch this fuckin thing!

>>150345118
That's like saying "hopefully they cut the part of of Spider Man where Pete is bit by a radioactive spider".

>>150345413
Regardless of the role he's currently playing Hunter should always exude some degree of malice. Its the kind of character where no matter what hes doing he should never look "normal". Even though they are similar Bruce and Batman are polar opposites whereas Grendel is a direct extension of Hunter and vice versa.
>If we're gonna complain about changed appearances for ANYONE it'd be Jocasta.
This ties into my further concerns about this project. From whst Ive read the origins of Hunter and his relationship with Jocasta have been completely changed. With the age gap stuff being completely removed or downplayed and Hunters (unclear if he is ever going to be Eddie) life going on for a while without her until he hears of her death second hand. He was then going to become a troubled anti hero who wanted to hunt down her killers before getting wrapped up in the mob stuff.

Am I the only one that thinks the Christine Spar stuff blows chunks? It almost made me skip Orion Assante and Grendel Prime stuff since I didn't read them until years later.

>>150345759
Its very messy, and for better or for worse it eneded up driving the future of the franchise even more than The hunter stuff. I wouldn't say its irredeemably bad but it fails at almost everything it tries to do.

>>150345736
>Generic revenge plotline and downplaying the age-gap stuff.
Ok, THAT'S way worse than making Hunter look like someone teen girls today would like.