Thread 150295146

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>> Archie Comics's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures: The creative team at the time was preparing for its big epic storyline towards issue #75, "The Forever War", which would have brought back the future "Green Earth Turtles" and showcased the final fight with Shredder. However, the editors at the time balked at this as they absolutely hated the more violent path the comic was taking as well as the "Green Earth Turtles" (it was also because Mirage had started going color around this time and it was taking away from Archie), so they canned the creative team and, ultimately, the title.
TLDR. Archie expected the comic to be like the 1987 cartoon only to get a comic that was more closer to the original Mirage comics.

>>150295146 (OP)
>TLDR. Archie expected the comic to be like the 1987 cartoon only to get a comic that was more closer to the original Mirage comics.
One thing to note--the Archie comics /were/ effectively Mirage comics. They were produced in house at Mirage by Mirage staff, unsatisfied that the Archie comic was going to be based off the cartoon.

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SEGA's mandate Sonic characters having relatives that were only established made any canonical continuation to Sonic Underground flat-out impossible

>>150295280
THEY MADE A VOW THEIR MOTHER WOULD BE FOUND

>>150295280
Why would anyone want a continuation

>>150295268
Screw you, you're not the law here.
An in-universe example in Pepper Ann with her sister Moose's favorite comic character suffering a 3-way executive meddling clusterfuck before being with a space cartoon

>>150295387
Some people want true closure

Pound Puppies 1986 suffered from the same executive group that monkeyed with RGB

>>150295527
Damn, the female puppies look hot, ID pound them

While Histeria was made to fit the FCC requirements, it wasn't above taking potshots at them.

Execs tried to censor her relationship with Velma

Perfuma was stated to be trans but Netflix wouldn't allow it.

These guys were changed to purple because well y'know.....

Stupid executives wanting SBT to be another Ben 10 broke Genndy's brain.

>> Jennifer Hale has said that she believes that the main characters' voices were changed for Season 7 due to Banijay executives not wanting to pay union rates.
Boo.....

>>150295146 (OP)
Archie's TMNT run were always peak childhood for me. Even tackling relationship drama.

>>150295718
>Perfuma was stated to be trans but Netflix wouldn't allow it.
not really a derp move in hindsight

>>150296329
Playing it subtle with their fetish before going all out.

>>150295956
Genndy's should probably listen more since his latest work proves he needs a tard wrangler

>>150296704
>> They requested an animal sidekick. We got Rufus.
>> In the episode "Bad Boy", Standards and Practices wouldn't allow the writers to show Drakken making coffee. They suggested chocolate milk instead, and the writers turned that into "Coco Moo", resulting in one of the series' funnier gags. (The rumor that "Coco Moo" itself resulted from S&P forbidding the phrase "chocolate milk" is unfounded, as Drakken actually does use that phrase in the episode.)
>> "Grande Sized Me" and its "good eating" aesop was mandated by execs. Allegedly, the episode's Space Whale Aesop was a form of Writer Revolt.
>> The original plan to make "Rappin' Drakken" a Villain Episode was vetoed.
>> Requested that the hats in "Showdown at the Crooked D" be called "Silly Hats" rather than "Stupid Hats". They even lampshaded it.
Drakken: The Silly Hat!
Shego: Not the name I would have chosen...
>> A scene in "Queen Bebe" explaining how the Bebes were reactivated was cut for time in order to dedicate more time to Smash Mouth.

>>150295677
I like her design so much.

>her relationship with Velma
Shouldn't be there in the first place.

>>150295956
Another Ben 10 how? What would had been different?

Motorcity was presented to multiple networks that all turned it down until disney agreed on the condition that the characters be aged down from young adults to appeal to kids

>>150295781
Kek

>>150296594
I had no idea Ninjara was that much older than Raph. If not that, at least that much more worldly or mature. Yet as a young lad, I did not think of age mattering that much in a relationship until I got older. It is a comic book, and they both look like they be good for each other. Raph was an unstable hothead teen, and Ninjara really wanted to be with a man.

If anything it helped Raph to learn on not sweating the small stuff over the bigger picture.

>>150297656
I think it worked. Chuck felt like a guy who should had been in college but the post apoc setting deprived gifted people like him of a bright future. Chilton's "betrayal" felt even more heroic because he had a bountiful future under Kane and he intentionally discarded it. Julie being young also worked with being Kane's daughter and with not being his heir-under-training yet.
If they had made them an outright teen team like, say, the Stormhawks then it wouldn't had worked. Or if they had made Jacob and the Duke of Detroit young.
Btw while we're at it. We never got to learn about Red's backstory or his age, but he always struct me as a guy who lost his wife and very young child the day Chilton turned his back on Kane.

>>150295146 (OP)
Its always been my head canon that Lazzo appeared to be a normal affable guy along with his coworkers but when he got a taste of power, he immedietly became a hard nose, money grubbing exec. And I do mean immedietly. Like one scene you see him sitting with his buddies in a meeting looking normal, the focus shifts to someone else stating the success of Space Ghost is going to give them better standing in the company, then we shift back to Lazzo, who is now a suit wearing yuppie, screaming at his co workers to get back to work.

>>150296329
Why is it that Raph gets all the bitches?

Not exactly an exec decision, but The Great Divide is so disliked because it was aired constantly due to being one of the few episodes of the first season that wasn't connected to the ongoing plot

>>150298931
He was literally made to be a parody of Wolverine, and we all know the ladies love Wolverine.

Infinity train got cancelled because CN execs thought you needed to have child protagonists for the kids to relate to, when the creator wanted the next season to star Amelia

>>150299270
>could of had a cougar protagonist
fucking pedofags

>>150299270
Kids don't want to relate, dammit. The kid characters were always hated by the kid viewers.
Fuck Infinity Train and it's obnoxious gay fans though.

The Batman wasn't allowed to have Robin in it until Teen Titans ended because the execs believed that children would be "confused" if they saw Robin in two shows at once.

>>150297376
Execs are one dimensional in thinking

>>150295146 (OP)
Jagwar is hot

Nickelodeon continually refused to give Korra a set number of seasons even tough it kept being popular enough that they had to renew it, meaning the creators had to treat every season as the finale

Sam & Max had to nerfed down in order to be on Saturday Morning

>>150301019
Likewise same for Toxic Crusaders and other toons based R-rated shows during the 80s and 90s

>>150301019
They still included a "drop the soap" joke.

>>150301060
Ironically, Toxic Crusaders was relatively successful, but got cancelled because New Line Cinema (producers of the 90s TMNT trilogy) cheated Troma out of the movie rights just to spite them.

>>150301362
animation is a product of luxury and thus is prone to corporate meddling with pro-capitalist and often fascist propaganda

>>150295527
Closure. For an episodic cartoon. Lol. Closure for episodic cartoons is the last episode you saw.

>>150296329
Raph wasn't laying pipe and Umeko's kitty was roaring. If she stuck around any longer, she would've jumped Splinter's bones out of sheer desperation.

>>150301710
>Raph wasn't laying pipe and Umeko's kitty was roaring.

>>150301437
Legal bullshit is so fun for ruining literally everything

>>150295196
Archie editorial at the time were possibly the dumbest people in the industry.

>>150303061
I was so disappointed when the Forever War was not coming true. The last fucking issue were the turtles as wee brats. I was already to old to be reading comics at the time, but a part of me would still read new issues of this run. The loved the art style, and the down to earth personalities they gave the turtles. Even the future versions of them were awesome. It was so fucking edgy.

I like Archie turtles get a good future. We don't always need sad future like apocalypse or "if villain win".

Alex Hirsch was ordered to cut out an episode of Gravity Falls where Stan taught Wendy to commit crimes and another where Stan starts a fake religion for tax benefits

>>150298872
Nah that's too basic. If all he wanted to do was make big money, he'd just air 8 hours of family guy. Lazzo will fill slots with the most irreverent, surreal programming because he sees some brilliance in it. He fears being pegged into the expected and refuses to coast on success.
Lazzo is too unique a breed of cat- an old southern hipster, who likes kitsch, the bizarre..and golf. That type of southerner with a set of beliefs that sound like a series of madlibs and don't fit into any one stereotype.

>>150295677
>Execs tried to censor her relationship with Velma
First I'm hearing about it, so I'm pretty sure I get to call bullshit. One of the showrunners used to brag about how much he could get away with because he knew what to put on-screen and what to not put on-screen. Paraphrasing: "I had Nazi robots machine-gun Velma's girlfriend to death, and it was okay to put in because you cut away and just hear a loud noise."

>>150304723
>episode of Gravity Falls where Stan taught Wendy to commit crimes
dont want to teach the poors how the entitled do it

>>150298000
>I had no idea Ninjara was that much older than Raph.
Was that outright stated? I was under the impression that it was more "I'm looking for a MAN and you're still acting like a TEENAGER" than her being years older or something.

I've always suspected that Murphy/Allan knew they wouldn't be on the book much longer and wanted to shove Ninjara out of the plane with a parachute ASAP, so she could start appearing in solo indie stuff (which immediately went nowhere, making the whole thing pointless except as a chance to get kids to have their first experience raging that their ship got sunk).

>>150298931
Raph gets many bitches but not ALL the bitches.

>>150295577
The entire show was designed as a massive FU to the FCC

>>150305653
But not the BIGGEST "FU to the FCC."

"What are they going to do, cancel us harder?" - The Road Rovers crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJuQuHZHSA

>>150295577
Wasn't Detention/The Shareena Show made for the same reason

>>150305245
Oh that vag is ground zero

Editors made Byrne drop this post coital cuddle scene with a foot rub, Even though they let Dazzler sleep with a greasy movie producer before this.

>>150306352
What Leo thinks: In this vision he looks human.
What's actually happening: He's sharing a dream/vision with a serious monsterfucker.

>>150305155
Yeah, Tony Cervone right? He's the one that later said Velma and HDW were meant to always be gay.

>>150299952
And the only reason Batgirl and then him got added was because the Nolan films didn't want to use them and WB wanted them to be in The Batman to promote the characters.

>>150295718
The way I remember it, Rae Geiger bragged about how they intentionally designed Perfuma to "look trans" but never communicated the intent to Stevenson and those higher in the food chain, so they even say it's dubiously canon since if LGBT rep doesn't outright get said in the show, it doesn't matter.

Lynn Johnston's war with the late Kevin Karstens. While she may have won, it did little to stop other artists from drawing her characters

>>150300551
This is just another example of Korra having shit writing. Plenty of shows have had setups like this and pulled it off no issue

>> Peter David cited several contradictory editorial mandates from his time working on Aquaman (1994), such as having Aquaman be a loner but also a leader of the people, and having stories set in Atlantis but Aquaman wasn't allowed to be in Atlantis. Eventually he got fed up and quit.
No wonder Aquaman still suffered before Momoa

Dan DiDio wanted Nightwing to be the sacrificial lamb for Infinite Crisis. Geoff Johns used Conner Kent instead as a "fuck you" to DilD'oh

Dan DiDio wanted Nightwing to be the sacrificial lamb for Infinite Crisis. Geoff Johns used Conner Kent instead as a "fuck you" to DilD'oh

>>150307081
In fact the original Robin was created as a response to the editorial demand for kid appeal character. Bob Kane protested in vain, saying that type of character was stupid and asking for trouble

Battle of the Super Sons was supposed to family friendly. The higher-ups wanted PG-13 instead

>>150307081
Iirc they went with Superboy due to the Siegel estate lawsuit going on and the right to use him was in limbo. Same reason why Prime temporarily got aged up as "Superman Prime"

>>Editorial cancelled Batgirl (2000) with the justification of "we're launching a new Hawkgirl title and we don't want too many female-led books" and ordered the writers to make her pull a Face–Heel Turn. The turn was eventually reverted due to fan backlash.
Did editorial have a sister that pissed on their fruit loops as a kid?

>>150307128
This is the first time ever I hear something that paints Bob Kane as based and not as an evil asshole.

>>150301362
I've read the original book recently and honestly the pigs are even worse in it than in the movie. Even Snowball dabbles in corruption (the stolen apples). Nevermind the fact that the book doesn't end with the animals overthrowing the pigs.

>>150301576
>fascist propaganda
Ironically fascists made very few propaganda cartoons while communists made a shitload of them.

>>Bart going from Impulse to Kid Flash was an editorial decision. The writer of the story, Geoff Johns, has openly admitted dislike for being forced to do it, and Bart's creator Mark Waid dislikes it as well. This also applies to when Bart was aged up from Kid Flash to the Flash in The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive (2006).
Being a Bart fan is suffering

We all love Ms. Buxley but the shaved orangutan shethangs hate everything sexy and wanted her "normal"

Wanna know why this film was a dumpster fire?
Katzenburg cutting scary scenes himself.

>>150295146 (OP)
What is this?

>>150310453
Seriously?

>>150299270
It was canceled because it got shit ratings and wasn't interesting to general audiences. And who can blame them when the central premise is that it's a magical superscience train that exists to give people therapy.

>>150300551
None of those problems are the reason Korra was so bad. It was bad because the writing was bad. Not knowing if they were going to get another season or not doesn't force them to write Amon as a terrible villain, nor require that they waste half the episodes they got on pro-bending and relationship drama. Not knowing if they were going to be renewed or not did not require that they make the Red Lotuses a bunch of fucking retards with a shittier version of Senator Armstrong's plan from MGR, minus the war profiteering.

Everything that's bad about Korra is something that cannot be fixed with more episodes or a larger budget. Bryan and Mike simply believed themselves to be more talented than they actually were and proceeded to produce 4 dog shit seasons that derailed the entire IP for a fucking decade.

Don Bluth hated that execs kept sticking their noses into his works;
>> This trope is also why his Warner Bros. films, Thumbelina (1994) and A Troll in Central Park, failed. Both films suffered from severely-rushed productions; he had to write the screenplay for the former in a week after its original screenwriter kept rewriting it nonstop for a year, while the latter had its production sped up in a failed attempt to make more spontaneity among his crew. When Thumbelina flopped, Warner Bros. responded by giving Troll no promotion and giving it a limited release, ensuring it'd flop as well. He states that animation can be both lighthearted and dark at the same time, yet this trope is the reason as to why Rock-A-Doodle and The Pebble and the Penguin failed, as Bluth wanted to add darker elements yet the higher ups refused. Bluth and his production partner Gary Goldman were so angered by the changes made to the latter film that they took their names off the movie and, after the head of 20th Century Fox offered them the chance to start a new animation division, left mid-production.

We'll never have a complete, unedited version of The Thief and The Cobbler because studio execs are goddamn chimps with whiffle bats

Shang-Chi was a hot mess of legal rights.

>>150311912
How could Bluth's Thumbelina compare to the glory seen at Pirates World? HURR! HURR! HURRRR!!

>>150309849
I tried watching it recently and the hamfisted, unnatural monolog exposition dumps in place of dialogue turned me off immediately. I got only as far as the first scene with the Horned King. He's plenty creepy, but was a third or fourth scene explaining what the titular cauldron is and that he wants it really necessary?

>>150309344
whomst?

Enchanted wasn't even meant to be a Disney film, the original premise being more pg-13 if not R. But the Mouse insisted it be pg.

The legal rights ensure we won't be seeing a Roger Rabbit sequel

>>150313600
The final film is bordering on PG-13 anyway so it's whatevs

>>150308155
Let's also not forget how DC put out fake solicits of further Fastest Man Alive issues to hide that they were killing Bart,and had the creators play dumb to fans too to try to keep the suspense.
The writers wound up leaving social media because of "the toxicity", but it was a whole shitshow all around.

The legal rights ensure we won't be seeing a Roger Rabbit sequel

Marvel must have big baboon balls to get the rights for Angela

>>150295280
>Sonic Underground flat-out impossible
We got a continuation though

>>150295146 (OP)
How come no one cared about this when the comic came out?

>>150316339
Tamers1234 does not count

Yu Yu Hakusho was supposed to end after the Chapter Black saga but editorial meddling forced the author to one more story

Stupid tax write-off. No wants to risk malware for even one episode.

>>150314890
Good. It was only meant to be a single movie anyway.

>>150312786
Do I even need to explain!?!?!?!
https://www.cbr.com/beetle-bailey-miss-buxley-mort-walker-changes/

>>150317997
>Walker would also sell naked drawings of Buxley to people up until the early 1990s!
Holy based

>>150301720
She stated in the Furrlough special that she left the turtles because she "craved union". Put that and her line in that panel together. She wanted to FUKK, and apparently the ninja turtles' sexual maturity hadn't happened yet. She left because a nonsexual relationship wasn't cutting it. It's sad I have to spell that out for you.

>>150295146 (OP)
>>150303798
Guess what actually came out last year thanks to a Russian printer, a good organizer, a bunch of fans, and Chris Allan?

>>150295146 (OP)
Why Exec though?

>>150318504
now where can I buy it?

>>150320480
Did you not read the topic?
Archie wanted toon TMNT, got Mirage instead.

Screwed by the E/I and we won't be seeing a sequel either

>> created by mind behind Earthworm Jim
>> screwed by E/I mandates

>>150321514
>> Another series screwed by Nick because it wasn't raking Sponge dollars. And finding the complete series is a Sisyphean task. Another reason why the current gen of execs need to wither on the vine

>>150321514
>> Another series screwed by Nick because it wasn't raking Sponge dollars. And finding the complete series is a Sisyphean task. Another reason why the current gen of execs need to wither on the vine

>>150318504
holy shit