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Anonymous No.150323096 >>150323133 >>150323308 >>150323341 >>150323395 >>150323466 >>150323483 >>150324732 >>150330241 >>150339738 >>150340875 >>150345320 >>150346304 >>150347265 >>150355434 >>150356785 >>150358470 >>150359982 >>150361474 >>150365544 >>150379503 >>150379887 >>150383327 >>150383960 >>150387015 >>150388273 >>150389541 >>150389957 >>150397914
Do you have a preference for episode length?
I like the 11 minute format. 7 is okay for sillier cartoons, but 22 minutes just doesn't work for me.
Anonymous No.150323133 >>150323211 >>150323299 >>150331468 >>150344610 >>150375799 >>150393966 >>150394475 >>150395149
>>150323096 (OP)
ZOOMIE ZOOMIE
Anonymous No.150323211 >>150323222 >>150323245 >>150323299 >>150331468
>>150323133
I want to say OP is a zoomer with a completely fried attention span, but there has been an worsening trend where the longer a show's runtime is, the harder it is to justify the runtime. The stories aren't written for it, often with subplots that go nowhere, or a bunch of lame gags that could have been funny if they weren't used to fill runtime. But with a really short runtime the weaker elements and unnecessary fluff gets pruned to fit the runtime.

These days longer runtimes basically just guarantees slower pacing instead of more content.
Anonymous No.150323222 >>150323243
>>150323211
samefag
Anonymous No.150323243
>>150323222
Anonymous No.150323245 >>150323350 >>150325307
>>150323211
I mean they tired to adapt Fred or Annoying Orange with a longer runtime and look how those perform
Anonymous No.150323299 >>150323350 >>150326743 >>150332742
>>150323133
>>150323211
This is a 2014 repost, long before zoomers invaded 4chan
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/57713523/#57713523
I found the topic interesting and wanted to re-visit it 11 years later to see how opinions have changed.
Anonymous No.150323308
>>150323096 (OP)
Pinky and the Brain used all formats very well. It also had short 3 minute musical segments.
Anonymous No.150323341
>>150323096 (OP)
7 minutes for a variety show format with multiple segments
11 minutes for a comedy show with only one set of characters
22 minutes for action shows
Anonymous No.150323350
>>150323245
I had absolutely no interest in seeing either of those, adapted or otherwise, so I can't comment. I just know that some time within the past 10-15 years I noticed that the pacing of hour-long shows and some movies have been really, really slow.

I recent saw the new Naked Gun movie and it was great, and I saw Weapons, which I also liked, but it felt painfully slow at times. I even went to take a piss at one point during Weapons and don't think I actually missed anything important while I was gone. And I think that's the root of the problem. Leslie Nielsen even said the reason the original Police Squad was canceled was because you actually had to pay close attention to it to find it funny, unlike other sitcoms you could leave on in the background while doing something else. So now everything is either made short and hyperactive to keep your attention, or if it's long it feels slow-paced because things get repeated assuming you either forgot or weren't paying attention the first time around. The Day The Earth Blew Up also comes to mind, but Weapons having a needless Rashomon change of perspectives was the most egregious example I could think of.

>>150323299
At least it's not a bot reposting old threads, or a zoomer doing it ritualistically.
>11 minutes per "episode" is fine if there's another episode right after it.
Probably the only good comment on it in the old thread. A really slow drip feed of content is almost as bad as dumping it all out at once.
Anonymous No.150323356
Remember when cartoons used to do a 7 minute ABA segment show? Why did those die out?
Anonymous No.150323395 >>150323406
>>150323096 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with any of these formats

But i prefer 20+ minutes made of two 11 minute episodes, if we're talking about cable tv cartoons
Anonymous No.150323406
>>150323395
7 minute isnโ€™t enough to tell a compelling story, and you usually have to rush an episode, leading it to have a faster pacing and have abrupt endings. Cow and Chicken is an example of this.
Anonymous No.150323466 >>150339183
>>150323096 (OP)
I say it all depends on the creator.
Anonymous No.150323483
>>150323096 (OP)
Billy and Mandy worked great on both 7 and 11 minutes. The Voltaire Brains episode was perfect for 7 minutes, but would drag out if it was longer.
Anonymous No.150324732 >>150326519
>>150323096 (OP)
Most SpongeBob specials suck.
Anonymous No.150325307 >>150326172
>>150323245
Fred is kino, fuck you talmbout
Anonymous No.150326172 >>150327416
>>150325307
Kys zoomer.
Anonymous No.150326519 >>150327960
>>150324732
ALL SpongeBob specials suck.
Anonymous No.150326743 >>150330274 >>150341506
>>150323299
you write like such a faggot and your thoughts are so uninteresting, i wouldn't bother trying to post here if i were you. reddit might be more your speed, zoomer.
Anonymous No.150327416
>>150326172
Suck my ass boomer
Anonymous No.150327960 >>150328818
>>150326519
Not Christmas Who
Anonymous No.150328818 >>150331271
>>150327960
True, that's a good'un.
Anonymous No.150329744 >>150335460
11
Anonymous No.150330241
>>150323096 (OP)
depends on the show.

if its like a action cartoon or serialized story 22 minutes

comedy being more short bite sized is good, unless its really good like Prime year Simpsons, Futurama or KOTH.
Anonymous No.150330274 >>150336165
>>150326743
>t.
Anonymous No.150331271
>>150328818
Eugene hit that falsetto like it was nothing
Anonymous No.150331468 >>150332399 >>150334212
>>150323133
>>150323211
What the fuck? I'm a zoomer and if anything I prefer full 45 minute episode lengths for anything that takes its self remotely seriously, 22-30 minutes for everything else.
Anonymous No.150332399 >>150337881
>>150331468
Half-hour shows can still do straightforward emotional stuff well.
Anonymous No.150332742
>>150323299
I mean at least OP is honest about regurgitating the sane old shit
Anonymous No.150334212
>>150331468
I'm from the era where every show that "takes its self remotely seriously" didn't by default mean a soap opera format, and you still got procedurals. Now everything is serialized, so any kind of drama has a very slow pace, often with b-plots that I don't give a shit about, and the story drags on for seasons on end with basically no ending in sight.

It used to be that there were dramas that weren't soap operas and you could just watch a single random episode with a beginning, middle and end, within 45 minutes. Yes, they had endings instead of just cliffhangers to bait you into watching the next episode. I've been tired of that since Breaking Bad aired.
Anonymous No.150335460
>>150329744
Hours? Seconds? YEARS?
Anonymous No.150336165
>>150330274
Heheheh... "queef"
Anonymous No.150337856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkAe30aEG5c
truteal !!r6dgSKY2bVh No.150337876 >>150341318
11 minutes (being a fan of cartoony cartoons)
Anonymous No.150337881 >>150392621
>>150332399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkAe30aEG5c
Anonymous No.150339183
>>150323466
Well, yeah. But it also depends on the viewer.
Anonymous No.150339738 >>150360498
>>150323096 (OP)
I think MLP did wonders with 22 minutes. I like long serious drama/action stories so I'll go with 22 but 11 is perfect for comedy.

Nowadays the 40 minutes - 1 hr format is getting kinda sloppy imo. Invincible is a good example. The story could be told just fine in 22 minute episodes and you would even get more episodes to make the seasons "longer" and keep the community engaged longer even though it's the same runtime but it's like they REALLY want to appear different from "those other silly western cartoons" by making the episodes as long as in live action drama shows and wasting all the budget on le big name serious live action actors even though those drawn-out 40 minutes end up falling easily into becoming filler.
Anonyrnous No.150340875
>>150323096 (OP)
I'm down for any episode lengths honestly. Whatever suits the story best. 22-30 minutes is that nice sweet spot tho
Anonymous No.150341318
>>150337876
So cool.
Anonymous No.150341506
>>150326743
Zoomers werenโ€™t even old enough to use 4chan in 2014. The oldest one was still underage.
Anonymous No.150343376 >>150347737 >>150352552
Gravity Falls would be bad if it was shorter.
Anonymous No.150344610
>>150323133
How about we Zooms Zooms, eh?
Anonymous No.150345320
>>150323096 (OP)
Most independent stuff usually does well with 3 to 5 minutes. Usual one off jokes should just take a half a minute to a minute. There's no good reason to drag out a singular joke unless you have an amazing delievery.
I don't really see much independent action or drama oriented stuff, but the 7 to 10 minute range is good to actually get it out there. Of course, any time spent that isn't focused and just waffeling is bad for any thing
Anonymous No.150346304
>>150323096 (OP)
I want all my indie animated pilots to be 30 minutes with loads of exposition.
Anonymous No.150347265 >>150354154
>>150323096 (OP)
5 minutes max or fuck off
Anonymous No.150347737
>>150343376
Yeah. Idk how Hirsch convinced Disney to let him make an original half-hour series as a first-time showrunner, but I'm glad he did.
Anonymous No.150347768 >>150348473
There are some cartoons that could definitely benefit from a longer runtime (looking at you Smiling Friends)
Anonymous No.150348473 >>150349382 >>150350203
>>150347768
Patiently waiting the day they make their first half-hour "special"

From there we can finally get a good reading on Zach & Michael's writing abilities when they're not using a rapid string of non-sequiturs as a crutch.
Anonymous No.150349382 >>150350203 >>150381545
>>150348473
.
Anonymous No.150350203
>>150348473
>>150349382
Yolo also had some double length episodes
Anonymous No.150352552
>>150343376
I thought the pilot handled its runtime decently well
Anonymous No.150354154
>>150347265
ok zoomie
Anonymous No.150355434
>>150323096 (OP)
10000000000000000000000000 hours / episode
Anonymous No.150356785 >>150359356
>>150323096 (OP)
15-second snippets presented in an upright portrait frame only!
Anonymous No.150358470
>>150323096 (OP)
No
Anonymous No.150359356
>>150356785
ATHF reference
Anonymous No.150359982
>>150323096 (OP)
I'm watching Hot Wheels Battle Force 5 (it never aired here as far as I remember and I'm almost angry because kid me would've loved it and current me enjoy it) right now and I think I'm fine with the 20-ish minutes runtime. For what it's worth, I enjoyed stuff like Fillmore, Mummies Alive, STAS/BTAS/JL/JLU, Courage the Cowardly Dog, The Mask, Megas XLR.
The two 11-minutes segments type of shows are alright too. I guess I'm not too picky with runtime or episodic/solid continuity as long as the show isn't obnoxiously loud and annoying.
Anonymous No.150360498
>>150339738
Doesnโ€™t help that streaming TV is considered โ€œsecond screenโ€ or even โ€œthird screenโ€ now and dense writing is discouraged. It feels worse in animation where every frame should be worth the more labor intensive process.
Anonymous No.150361474
>>150323096 (OP)
22 min if its a lore show 11 minute if its a sol comedy
Anonymous No.150361614 >>150363736 >>150363741
This thread was made two days ago and it still has only 58 replies
Anonymous No.150361671 >>150362467
22 minutes with no B story. Let's focus one something and tell a proper beginning-middle-end
Anonymous No.150362467
>>150361671
Most kids cartoons are like this, sitcoms are the ones with convulted B plots thrown in.
Anonymous No.150363736
>>150361614
That is very perceptive of you, anon.
Anonymous No.150363741
>>150361614
Kys
Anonymous No.150365072
Eso brad
Anonymous No.150365544
>>150323096 (OP)
Bluey would've been interesting with 11 minutes episodes.
Anonymous No.150365672 >>150367168
desu I like OVA format, take as long as you need to tell the story you want to tell. It can be 15 mins or 3 hours
Anonymous No.150367168 >>150369279
>>150365672
There are 15-minute OVAs?
Anonymous No.150369279 >>150370262 >>150371767 >>150373060
>>150367168
Yes.
Anonymous No.150370262
>>150369279
Huh. I never knew
Anonymous No.150371767
>>150369279
Name 5
Anonymous No.150373060
>>150369279
Name 5000
Anonymous No.150375799 >>150377107
>>150323133
We do a little zoomies here.
Anonymous No.150377107 >>150378151
>>150375799
I'm a little Zoomie
Short and stout
I like Mighty B
Here is my gout
When I get all butthurt
Hear me shout
Come to my place, Where I love the gays

I'm a Dark Age Zoomie
Yes, it's true
Here's an example of what I can do
Flapjack and Johnny Test are so fun
90s cartoons I wipe with my bum!
Anonymous No.150378151
>>150377107
LOL!
Anonymous No.150379503 >>150380574
>>150323096 (OP)
>but 22 minutes just doesn't work for me.
Why do you people afraid of that? If it's an essay video for sure. But a story sketches, or silly cartoon. Why?
Anonymous No.150379887
>>150323096 (OP)
Shorter episodes work better for comedies so jokes donโ€™t get old. Longer episodes make sense for story or action focused cartoons because they need the extra time. It depends on the show but 11 minutes to 22 minutes should be standard. Iโ€™m fine with some episodes going on a few minutes longer. Iโ€™m not a fan of 40+ minute episodes like Invincible since I donโ€™t have a lot of free time. I donโ€™t like spending close to an hour watching something thatโ€™s supposed to be short form entertainment. I know streaming allows for episodes to be longer than on cable but itโ€™s not something I prefer
Anonymous No.150380574
>>150379503
Hey I'll take 22-minute video essays over those 4-hour documentaries
Anonymous No.150381545
>>150349382
This deserved at least another season..
Anonymous No.150383327
>>150323096 (OP)
All of them
Anonymous No.150383960
>>150323096 (OP)
None of them
Anonymous No.150387015
>>150323096 (OP)
depends on the type of show
Anonymous No.150388273
>>150323096 (OP)
Cartoons should not exist whatsoever. They are the work of the devil.
Anonymous No.150389541
>>150323096 (OP)
I'm cool with whatever
Anonymous No.150389957 >>150391720
>>150323096 (OP)
Dan Vs has 22 minutes to use and they use it pretty well.
Anonymous No.150391720 >>150393199
>>150389957
I keep holding off on starting that show, but seeing as it's only 53 episodes, I might as well bite the bullet and jump in one of these days
Anonymous No.150392621
>>150337881
wicked song
Anonymous No.150393199
>>150391720
Do it, loads of porn.
Anonymous No.150393966
>>150323133
First Post Based Post. OP is so weak.
Anonymous No.150394475
>>150323133
??
Anonymous No.150395149
>>150323133
!!!
Anonymous No.150396216 >>150396895 >>150397927
name the best 7, 11 and 22 minute cartoons
Anonymous No.150396895
>>150396216
Billy and Mandy.
Anonymous No.150397914
>>150323096 (OP)
POOTIS!
Anonymous No.150397927 >>150399302
>>150396216
Dexter, Phineas and Ferb, and classic Futurama
Anonymous No.150399302 >>150400064
>>150397927
P&F, really?
Anonymous No.150400064
>>150399302
Yes, really.