Thread 150327923

>Geoff Johns leaves DC Comics and takes several artists and writers with him
>starts his own comic company and comic books
>is already forgotten

>DC Comics makes the Absolute books
>the Absolute books become the highest selling DC comics
>Absolute Batman is popular

What happened?!! What went wrong?!!

Why did Ghost Machine fail while the DC Absolute Universe succeeded

>>150327923 (OP)
Because normies prefer established IPs to original/“original” ideas. It is partially why stuff like Minecraft, Spider-Man, and Super Mario make billions.

>>150327923 (OP)
People eat up slop from existing IPs more readily than from new IPs. Basically, they prefer "same shit, different asshole" over "different shit, same asshole".
Also, John's is boring and his artists are boring.

because the ghost machine comics are just boring tv pitches

>>150327931
>>150327958
THIS
MAYBE if the Ghost Machine comics had actual movies or shows (like Invincible) then people would talk about them.

>>150327923 (OP)
Batman is a more recognizable and popular IP than radioactive skeleton man.

>>150327923 (OP)
Because the Ghost Machine comics were lame. They had the freedom to make anything they want and instead created a bunch of generic superheroes and family trite.

>>150327923 (OP)
Geoff Johns was always overrated and coasting off his greatest hit which was reviving Green Lantern.

After the Nu52 he’s been just as shit as modern day Bendis.

His last hit was new52 Aquaman. Everything else since has been hard carried by amazing artists and his past projects.

Doomsday Clock sucked and took forever, Three Jokers sucked and read like a fucking Wattpad fiction.

Readers need to come to terms that all your favorite writers will slip out of their prime just like your favorite boxers and MMA athletes. They’ll all eventually have career turns and downfalls like Roy Jones Jr, Mike Tyson, or Evander Holyfield

In order to gain success as a new property, you need to hit the ground running and exploding.
The Big Two half-ass it, fail, then go crawling back to Batman, Superman, etc.

>>150327923 (OP)
Because the Absolute books aren’t as boring as the Ghost Machine books.

>is already forgotten
this did NOT hapen

>>150328040
I still enjoyed the first Geiger and Junkyard Joe stories. They very obviously feel like scrapped "Rebirth" takes on The Atomic Knights and G.I.Robot though.

>>150328051
First impressions last. This is a perfect cover, perfect title, holy shit dude my 10yo self digs in my pockets for coins.

Meanwhile >>150327923 (OP) Bats is bats again. Nothing new under the sun but I know what I'm getting. Not very exciting but doesn't have to be.
Finally Ghost Machine's cover takes too long to take in. It's only when I'm about to post I finally see there's three people. There are some cool details but it also comes off as some esoteric porn my uncle reads. I wouldn't even take it off the shelf for a browse.

>>150327983
Being established is about more than having adapted material. Of course those help exposure but they don't secure readers.
Things like Savage Dragon had cartoons and while it's maintained a readership the chances are it's more from those who followed Larsen from his art career before all that, along with anyone morbidly curious about some of its wild narrative swerves.

>>150328051
The thing is comic writers pointedly pitching to TV and movies can't really hit the ground running because it would mean sending a script that asks a studio to try a trial effort that might cost more than you can guarantee a return.
I'm not excusing it, mind, just explaining how it becomes obvious who's writing for what medium based on the pace of their premise.

You're right about the Big Two though, I'm not sure why OP asked such a pointless question. Absolute is just another pseudo-relaunch of recognizable properties to rinse and repeat.

>>150327923 (OP)
The same reason why video game or /tv/ comics dont sell make it big.
They are shit universes/mediums handled by shit writers/artists.
It doesnt help that his books are just pitches for /v/ and /tv/.

>>150327931
>>150327958
Wrong. Minecraft is a new original stuff. It is roughly 15 years old.
And Invincible, Walking Dead and Dogman disproofs you.
You could even Mangas getting big like One Punch, My Hero and DanDan shows people can make new stuff big.

>>150327983
The problem is you need advertisment and a certain lucky moment. And this needs to lead to good word of mouth like Adventure Time, Steves Universe, Rick&Morty.

>>150328040
I dont think that good writers really slip out of being good. The problem is that some writers like Johns and Bendis are one-trick ponys and were never good. They just had luck.

>>150328189
I don’t see the books attracting much interest or discussion desu

>>150328295
>Minecraft is a new original stuff. It is roughly 15 years old.
You literally just contradicted yourself. Something that is fifteen years old is not old.

It was one of the highest selling video games and loved by millions even before the movie.

>>150327923 (OP)
Ghost Machine seems to be a lot more concerned with making Netflix pitches than with making good comics.

>>150328189
No one fucking cares about Ghost Machine. No one talks about it online. It sells like shit. It has been completely forgotten.

>>150328295
Minecraft is a video game. Entirely different animal from comics.
Invincible and Walking Dead did not become huge until after they got adaptations. Dogman is Scholasticslop. Manga tend to do this >>150328051

>>150327923 (OP)
i feel like comics need an art style that stands out more than just looking like off-brand dc/marvel.

>established creator breaks from the Big Two to do their own stuff
>it's all just lame rehashes of the same shit they were doing as WFH

Everytime

>>150327923 (OP)
>Why is a brand new IP book published by image less popular than literally the most popular superhero comic character?

Jee I wonder

Rucka just said in an interview that Johns was a cruel asshole who played mind games with him and everyone else and pitted the talent against each other at DC so it seems like he might not be the best boss.

>>150328339
the times I see the storytimes here they were getting plenty of replies
also Geiger is one of the titles that gets bring up a lot by the normies, that is if you're also outside of /co/

>>150327923 (OP)
>the Absolute books become the highest selling DC comics
>Absolute Batman is popular
Comic book "fans" have shitty taste, who would've thought!?

>>150328200
>This is a perfect cover, perfect title, holy shit dude my 10yo self digs in my pockets for coins
Grow up.
There are thousands of comics which have better covers and better titles than this crap

>>150327923 (OP)
shit just looks boring and unappealing. boomer art style, weird looking kids, boring designs. Proabably a bunch of old people for main characters too.

>>150328341
It was a new IP. Not a Mario, not a Sonic, not a Fifa, not a Madden.
People like new IPs. They just need to be good.

>>150328374
>Videogames
Still a new IP. Regarding Mario, Battlefield, Resident Evil or Warcraft new IPs dont have it that easy to break in.
>Invincible and Walking Dead did not become huge until after they got adaptations.
Walking Dead was huge before the series. Thats why they realised the series. Invincible was huge, thats why they adapted it. Were you born yesterday?
>Dogman is Scholasticslop
Doesnt change that it was a new IP. And people still like new IPs.

>>150327923 (OP)
Absolute or not batman will always sell well no matter the quality of the story, the rest of the absolute universe I dont if its on the same level sells-wise. The fact remains that Johns did more for DC than many other overrated writers that keep getting their cocks sucked for no reason to this day

>>150327931
>normies

>>150329213
ikr! we need more ANIMAY in comics, please give us more Dan Mora!

>>150329513
unironically yes, can't sell to 45 year olds forever.
Anime website.

>>150327967
Most comics are like that now

>>150329513
I'd read that

>>150327923 (OP)
>the Absolute books become the highest selling DC comics
>Absolute Batman is popular

I'm calling bullshit.

>>150329520
>>150329642
You Morafags are some of the most annoying creatorfags of all time I swear.

>>150329407
>It was a new IP
It wasn’t. A IP that is 15 years old is not new.

Do you understand what “New” means?

>>150328868
I believe him.
Johns always came off as manipulative.

>>150328868
Been knowing.

>>150328280
To be fair, Savage Dragon would get another cartoon with Larsen being the lead writer and no control, I guarantee you normalfags would be talking about it.
I could basically see the various assorted ecelebs making Youtube titles like "The CRAZIEST Superhero Show Ever" with attention-grabbing thumbnail.
Original Savage Dragon was kind of a boring generic 90s action cartoon, so it simply couldn't stand out

>>150330638
*if Savage Dragon would get another cartoon

>>150329948
>say good idead
>"Why aRe You faGs like tHis?"
got a better idea then smartass?

>>150330638
Not going to lie, you're probably right.
Set myself up with that example.

>>150327923 (OP)
>Geoff
How do you even pronounce that

>>150329688
Absolute WW without a digital release outsold fucking USM and everything on the top 10.

>>150331677
Jeff. His full name is Geoffrey, which is pronounced Jeffrey.

>>150330131
It was a new IP at its time. And since we have Spiderman since 1963. Madden NFL since 1988. Halo since 2001. Mario since 1983/85.
So it is quite new.

>>150328295
>And Invincible
Invincible sold around 15k on average at best when it was still going on
Anyone who says Invincible was this massive success is a lying idiot

>>150330694
not forcing tranime into everything would be a splendid start.

>>150332193
Just because Minecraft isn’t fifty years old doesn’t mean it is New.

Kids have been born and grew up with Minecraft.

>>150327923 (OP)
Geoff Johns always seemed like a egotistical guy to be honest.

The lion share of Johns success came from either rooting through other writers garbage for ideas or stapling tragic backstories onto existing characters

I don't know what you expected from his original work