Thread 150330851

>>150330851 (OP)
>going to take it all out on Jason, he's going to die
Business as usual in the Bat office then?

What the fuck do people like about this shitty story? I can't believe this is one of the most popular batman storylines

Lets be honest only cartoon fags defend Jason and his overrated existence as redhood. He is such a shit character

>>150330851 (OP)
But the Red Hood comic that came out just made references to Hush 2 so he's confirmed to live

>>150330969
>cancelled
non-canon

>>150330947
Arkham City hyped Hush up massively and it inflated the characters popularity

>>150330969
This comic book has just been erased from existence.

>>150330995
>>150331055
>"i-it's non-canon"
He's confirmed to be appearing in DC K.O., and with the same design
>inb4 "DC K.O. is before Hush 2"
Batman is using the new costume that debuted with the new run, and that run is also confirmed to take place after Hush 2
Jason lives, cope

>>150331121
Bro, it's a Snyder event, this shit never makes sense in canon.

>>150331121
With photoshop that can easily become Green Arrow or Arsenal.

>>150331121
I don't have faith in this event

>>150330947
Context is key.
This came out right after Bruce Wayne Bodyguard/Murderer/Fugitive ended. This was a run where Bruce got paranoid and squirrely, bought a gun, isolated himself from his family, drove Alfred away, got accused of murder, went to jail, escaped, gave up on "Bruce Wayne" as a concept, and was Batman 24/7. That was like 2-3 years worth of stories.

Hush was a back-to-basics showcase run that embraced Batman and his rogues gallery and the core batman family after a couple years of driving them all away.
It was Jeph Loeb finally writing a modern Batman story after LotDK, Long Halloween, and Dark Victory
It was Jim Lee doing a full run on Batman!

Then once it was out, it was a casual-friendly book that was perfect for new readers to get familiar with modern day Batman. Knightfall was a decade old and felt even older. You weren't going to start someone with No Man's Land or Murderer/Fugitive. Hush filled that gap.

Maybe you had to be there. IDK.

>>150330851 (OP)
>Jim Lee
The guy still drew? I thought he quit for a more managerial role in the company.

>>150330851 (OP)
who's dying here is tim

>>150330947
The point of Hush was "Jim Lee draws Batman and all your favorite cartoon pals." It gets hyped as a classic story because Jim Lee has power in DC. It got the Mafex line because of Jim Lee. I personally hate it because no poison or toxic works on Superman yet Poison Ivy controls him by means that shouldn't work on him. I'm glad it happened early because it saved me from wasting my time reading the rest.

>>150330851 (OP)
Wait, theyre going back to that numbering when hu2h comes back?

>>150330947
>What the fuck do people like about this shitty story
X-Men 1992 and the speculation market fooled a generation of people into thinking Jim Lee is the Michaelangelo of Comic Books. At the time, Loeb was on a streak, so it was only natural that they would team up for a book.
Really, it's an X-Men comic circa-1991 in the sense that there is a story, but it is there to justify the art instead of the art and writer working together. The plot is pretty meh, but the absolute worst thing about it is that it inspired Judd Winick into write Under The Red Hood, forever ruining Jason Todd's character.

>>150335521
they fucked Huntress so bad

>>150330851 (OP)
There is really no point in the continue existence of Jason if DC is going to give him a no-kill policy and make him similar to every similar member of the Batman gang.

>>150335326
He came out of artist retirement because DC really needed the sales. Absolute does well and nothing else.

>>150335719
>There is really no point in the continue existence of Jason if DC is going to give him a no-kill policy and make him similar to every similar member of the Batman gang.
Why does everyone say this? Jason Todd, by Denny O'Neil's own word, became hated because they made him a disctinct character with a personality different from Dick Grayson.

>>150335649
Keep seething, Jaybincuck.

>>150331121
>Jason lives
Now that shouldve been in DCKO.

>>150335240
Yeah this. It was also a really accessible comic when Batman truly became mainstream again with the Nolan trilogy. I think people forget that between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins Batman as a character wasn't as hugely popular with general audiences. Hush was easy to suggest to new readers. Also the Dini Hush stories were really good and kept the original story relevant.

>>150335895
This, I thought it was pretty cool how Winick made Jason a whiny bitch who can't do anything right. Thanks Winick!

>>150330851 (OP)
thank fuck. Red Hood has cursed the series since 05

>>150330947
I think some people like the idea of Hush more than the actual story because its full of crap. Its one of those storylines that feels like it exists to be adapted into a film where the limited runtime and some smarter choices turn it into something great.

>>150330851 (OP)
This tweet is full on bullshit.

For one thing they renumbered.
For another they haven’t released December solicits let alone January.

And finally, but most obvious, December 11 isnt a Wednesday because it was a Wednesday last year lol.

>>150336342
They made an animated movie and it was still terrible. It's just action figures mashing against each other with nice art if you like stiff poses.

>>150336399
He misspoke. #163's date is right but #162 is slated for November 12 now.

>>150330851 (OP)
Likely since they just cancelled the Red House series so they'll want to cover it up by acting like it was synergy with Hush

>>150336412
I meant a live action movie. One that can pair it down to a few villains and streamline it into a good mystery.

>>150331121
Don't worry, it will turn out a time wizard sent his new costume back in time to him for reasons and then made him forget but he had to because then when he debuted it in Hush he subconsciously remembered it and that gave him the extra motivation he needed to take down Hush again.

>>150336342
It really only works if it's an introduction to comics imo.

Like, I love Hush, but that's because I read it when I was like 13 and had only ever seen the cartoons so seeing Batman have this big, epic adventure with a love interest and all these guest stars and some DEEPEST LORE you would "never get in the shows or movies" was great.

Once you get into it, though and start reading from the Golden Age through now and get a feel for the OG character and all his greatest runs you think: "Well, maybe it wasn't THAT great."

>>150336614
It's not a good mystery at all. You'd have to make an entirely different story to make it good.

GODDAMN JUST GIVE ME MY FUCKING TIM AND JAY BOOK YOU FUCKING HACKS.

>>150336066
Yeah, let’s just pretend he didn’t wipe out drug dealers, pedos, and a Russian gang framing Muslims for terrorism, save trafficked Asian kids, and bust Black Lightning out of jail. And of course, let’s forget he almost put Black Mask and Joker in the ground, but Batman just couldn’t let his favorite killers go down.

Jim lee is such a faggot. he has been an executive at DC for like 30 years and what has he done in that time? Most people want to see him draw and as soon as he got his cushy position nigga has drawn at a rate of like 10 pages per decade. He comes out of what is essentially retirement after a millenia and cant even keep up to draw less than 10 issues?

>>150336797
Also let's just forget how he's totally cool with protecting drug dealers, pimps and extortionists. That was pretty cool Winick, I like how you did a 180 of Jason's character because you read that piece of shit HUSH and didn't get the message of the story.

Guys, what are the chances that Jim Lee is sick with something so he can't deliver on the art?

>>150336479
No it isn’t. Batman 3 comes out in November, on the 5th. Why lie?

Source: https://aiptcomics.com/2025/08/15/full-november-2025-dc-comics-solicitations/

Got one to contradict that?

>>150336839
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>>150336930
You're confusing the new Fraction/Jiminez volume 4 relaunch with Loeb/Lee's story that never actually finished Here's #162 of the old volume https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comic/5097129/batman-162
It seems likely to me that the reason DC did the relaunch in the first place was because they knew this was likely to happen, and going months without publishing the Batman ongoing would be very bad for their bottom line.

>>150336831
>He was good enough that Batman couldn’t do a damn thing about it.
He was untouchable, and you’re mad about it? Pathetic.

>>150336740
Yes just like most movies based on an existing comic story in the west. You take the name, character and general idea of it then make an entirely original story with that.

>>150336995
LOCG isnt up to date never has been, Im very well aware Hu2h isnt complet I own every issue you dweeb.

Find me a solicit that proves me wrong.

>>150337083
I don't know why you're insistent on this https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jim-lee-and-jeph-loebs-batman-162-is-now-four-months-late/

>>150336930
The previous Lee and Loeb Batman book hasn't ended yet and is scheduled to end in issue #169 or #170.
There was supposed to be a 6 month gap between #163 and #164 where the current Fraction and Jimenez book was going to fill in, but we're blowning past that now

>>150330851 (OP)
I just want my Dell'otto covers man.
I don't give a shit about Lee, Loeb, or Hush

>>150331121
This whole event is kind of dumb. So everyone is having a Street Fighter tournament to see who gets to fight Darkseid, and it's going to be either Batman beating everyone by being clever, or Superman wins, because he's Superman, with an outlier of maybe Wondie. Orion, who is supposed to be the guy who fights Darkseid, didn't even show.

>>150331696
My question is why are Adam Strange, Firestorm, and Animal Man carrying Jason's coffin? I think it may actually be Barbara in it, since she was in JLUnited with them. Help if I knew who the Blade wannabe is.

>>150337069
Protecting pimps and drug dealers is cool and based! I like how Jason can't actually get anything done now that they tied his character to Joker!
Thank you Winick!

>>150335849
Grandpa, do you know what year it is?
Edgy shit has been cool for like 30 years.
Fuck off and die, grognard.

>>150338309
>cool
>his entire existence is failure because he can't even have a moral victory over his killer
lel

>>150338379
>DC management are retarded boomers
>This is somehow the fictional characters fault
Don't you have a deathbattle thread to shit up, spic?

>>150338415
DC management? Jason’s been fucked since Judd got his hands on him, dumbass.

>>150330969
Continuity in DC Comics is just a suggestion. The only exception being when characters are made gay or blackwashed

>>150338195
Cool, ignore everything I just said. Keep crying, Jaybinfaggot.

>>150340080
You had a whole lot of nothing to say, faggot. We’re paying the price because of Winick’s mediocrity. Twenty years of it.

>>150336412
the animated movie doesn't count because it's not the same story

>>150335240
>>150336059
Correct, and while I don't think Hush is particularly a story for the ages, it's really overhated by /co/ and is just a normal good story that's supplanted by a number of things including being a return to form, being an easy starting point, having Jim Lee art and Jeph Loeb writing Batman again

>>150340100
Twenty years of what? He’s been gone forever, most writers don’t even give a damn about his stories, and yet here you are crying like a toddler about him.

>>150330851 (OP)
so 2 batman volumes at the same time?

>>150330947
People like the mystery and the fact it prominently features tons of Batman villains. It’s the perfect baby’s first Batman comics same way Long Halloween is.

>>150336813
>and what has he done in that time?

Run the company and draw occasional comic

>>150330924
FPBP
>>150335719
What the point of Batman if he is always fighting the same guys because Justice and his system doesn't work, or now that he creates his own villain more often than not. You're reading slop. Get a grip.
>>150335849
>one autist
>everyone

>>150340347
Yeah, cause he ruined Jason by poisoning the well with his shitty story,

>>150335719
Solution to Jason is to just fucking force Batman to murder the Joker and be done with it. Jason gets closure, Bruce finally gets over himself and does the right thing killing Joker off, and we got back to the gold old days of the late Silver Age where Joker got banned from usage for five fucking years so that when they DO resurrect Joker, they can either go back to the harmless thief version of the Silver Age or make a huge production of Joker going on a roaring rampage of revenge, at which point Jason can move on with his life knowing Bruce finally fucking avenged him and do new shit while leaving Bruce to deal with a pissed off Joker.

>>150337229
You need to keep up with the news. Once the delays hit the book and DC announced the relaunch with the new #1, DC proclaimed that they were splitting Hush 2 into two parts and that the second part would be a stand alone mini. Which explicitly was a "fuck you" punishment towards Jim Lee, as Lee is infamous about only drawing DC stories that are part of the main books, not minis, since "those minis don't count" to pay pig monthly collectors.

>>150342477
only 1 because H2SH is dogshit and doesn't count, Vol 3 ended with Zdarsky's run

>>150343105
The ones who poisoned Jason were the writers after Winick, dumbass. They completely ruined the concept Winick made and kept making him worse ever since.

>>150337229
Bro, this shit is going to be so irrelevant when it comes out.

>>150330851 (OP)
his art is not good enough to require that many delays with a 2 or 3 year lead in to the project. hes streamed too and shows he can do the art in a few hours.

>>150336797
Is UtRH when Batman's "no kill rule" went from a way to keep comics kid-friendly and preserve valuable villain IP to some kind of stupid philosophical need to preserve all life?

>>150343728
The concept was terrible to begin with with, and robs Jason of his agency by revolving the story around Joker.

>>150344374
Yeah. Well technically TDKR had Batman admit that every life taken by Joker was his fault, but that was a brief quote.

>>150344374
Yeah, that sounds about right. Since so many fans sided with Jason back then, DC might try to force the no-kill rule too much in later stories to win them back.

>>150344769
That is the opposite of what I was saying since Bruce was saying "I should have done the world a favor and offed that motherfucker years ago" line.

The first issue made it clear that capturing Harvey Dent alive was pointless since he refused to reform even with his face repaired.

Miller must have been completely over revolving door prisons for super criminals while making DKR.

>>150330851 (OP)
This is like the third time you said they're gonna kill Jason, it ain't happening man
They already killed him and brought him back, killing him again would only give even more diminishing returns, it's not worth it.

>GUYS DAMIAN IS DYING
>NO, TIM IS DYING
>JASON IS DYING AGAIN
You guys suck at this.

>>150344374
No, Joker is the prime reason for that development and he became over the top edgy way back in the 80s with TKJ and TDK. This "superior calling" is the wannabe gotcha' answer to the "Batman doesn't kill because his villain print money" by the petty fanboys turned writers or editorial who pushed to elevate Batman as a mature superhero. RH feels like is the turning point for this problem because he is the popular character who exist to be stuck between the hammer (Batman) and the anvil (Joker), and to let DC beat the same dead horse that let them shove their hamfisted message harder. He is the scapegoat.

>>150344097
Once it's all collected in 2043 it'll shoot into the top 10 Batman trades of all time behind Hush 1, DKR, Year One and Long Halloween and assuming if it's still around Absolute Batman vol 1
Jim Lee's art is evergreen

>>150330851 (OP)
The funniest part about this is that this isn't even the full thing, this was just Hush 2 Part 1, who the fuck even knows when Hush 2 Part 2 would be.

>>150335900
OP's post got me excited thinking we were going to get more Wildstorm-style Friday comics. Then I realized he was talking about some Batwho. Why

>>150330947

bebe casual's first Batman story, featuring a tour of his rogue's gallery and supporting cast all drawn by bebe casual's favourite artist

>>150343728
Writers before Winick got a headstart on the victim blaming and Winick went along like the unoriginal cuck he is

So uhhh... what's next for Jason then?

>>150330851 (OP)
Good. Kill Jason, re-cripple Barbara, kill Damian, kill Stephanie, kill Duke, kill Tim. Keep Grayson as Nightwing (him and Bruce now hate each other), keep Barbara as Oracle only (her and Bruce now hate each other but she helps anyway), keep Cassandra (she works alone outside of Gotham) and bring back Alfred. Selina is a villain again (she and Bruce hate each other). Huntress goes nuts and starts killing criminals (she and Bruce hate each other). Joker, Catwoman and Riddler forget Batman's identity. No villains know his secret identity anymore except for Ra's and his daughter, who both hate him now and want him dead because he let Damian die. Oh right, Bane is also dead. Killer Croc gets a taste of venom, breakes his back and then eats his head for good measure.

Cancel all Bat books except the main title and Detective. You want to explore the rest of the family, do a mini-series. Cancel Vol.4 like it never happened and re-relaunch it with legacy numbering, same as Detective. Give the book to Azzarello with Bermejo artwork for 24 issues minimum (plus two annuals). Change the release schedule to every other month in order to avoid fill-in artists. Enforce a strict small-arc policy (4-5 issues max) and ban all crossovers for five years.

There. Batman fixed, new golden age secured. Maybe also reduce the variants to like 3 max per issue.

>>150346706
Getting killed off in H2SH once Jim Lee finds the time.
My guess Red Hood #2-4 is probably already finished, DC could just use the Marvel Method and rewrite the dialog for the existing and have Sook draw an ending if it needs one and release it as a stand alone Black Label trade

>>150346720
Leave the variant whales alone. They're the ones keeping the industry afloat.

>>150346877
They're not gonna kill Jason again anon, you can't put that genie back in the bottle.

>>150346877
They cancelled orders for future issues and recalled the unsold #1. It's dead. Time to accept it.

>>150346720
>Good. Kill Jason, re-cripple Barbara, kill Damian, kill Stephanie, kill Duke, kill Tim.
I understand people's reservation with these characters, especially in bulk, but you must realize if such a handwaved mass slaughter of youths under Batman's protection happened he'd be narratively tainted.

It would be better even if contrived if they all just came to their senses and left to live normal lives elsewhere. Don't just put them on a bus either since that can be written off as just not working out, instead really hammer home how healthy and productive the supporting cast and locations are wherever they're sent off to before the run ends so when a writer tries to eventually tear them from it it looks cruel.
A seeming alternative is to just retcon it like they never existed, but that cues to the next writer they can just as easily retcon con the prior run like it never happened or give way for the next writer to re-introduce the cast again but their way.

Also the cancelling of book at once is financial suicide, it's another thing you'd have to gradually do so profits aren't hit.
>Give the book to Azzarello
You read Batman: Damned, right?

>>150347072
Have (you) read Broken City with Russo? Or Joker with Bermejo? Or 100 Bullets? Or his Hellblazer run? Have you been reading comics long enough to remember when Batman was a detective in a seedy town instead of a clown in a multiverse? Stop reacting like a smart-ass monkey by shitting on the worst thing, which is still miles ahead the exrement that has been coming out on the regular. You dont like Azzarello suggest someone else, it is the style of writing and the themes on display that I am drawing attention to not the name

>>150347317
>top reacting like a smart-ass monkey by shitting on the worst thing
That wasn't the intent with killing off the sidekicks from the worst impression of them?

>>150347415
They have been shit for a while. I would argue Todd is better now that he comes across as a villain again. Either way, nothing about this is rash. The Bat-family concept is ridiculous and needs to be axed. As for the money issue, comics operate at a loss anyway. Nobody fucking cares. The movie studios prop these companies up for optics and so that more people might watch their capeshit flicks. None of these titles sell, it is the stores that get stuck with the unsold issues and have to carry the bag. It is also why they hand out series to freakazoids like they did with Hood. The company as a collective ticks off ESG boxes that way on a product that has been trash by default for years.

Anyway, lean and mean with less crap and more focused storylines and characters is the way to go. Kill. Fucking. Everyone. And hire people who write stories about the world as is, not as they would like it to be

>>150346367
Even worse, Winick ensured Jason would never actually take them to task for it because he turned Jason into a jobber with daddy issues.

>>150344374
It was codified long before that.