Thread 150359866

New college animator here, literally everyone in my classes is a 2015 Tumblr type obsessed with shit like Digital Circus and Deltarune and shit who draws in a generic anime style, I'm the only one who takes influence from the classics like Looney Tunes and Fleischer and Ren & Stimpy and stuff like that, I'm literally the only one of my kind in the class, why don't animation courses attract varied people of varied taste anymore?

I'm pretty sure all cartoons in the future only being made by a certain type of people isn't a good thing for mass appeal.

>>150359866 (OP)
Just a consequence of social mobility slowly grinding to a halt over the last 50 years or so, combined with entertainment being a particularly nepotistic industry.

>>150359866 (OP)
>cartoons being made by people from all walks of life
When has this ever been an expression? Artists have always been weirdos, and animation is even more niche within the arts. Animators are obviously going to take inspiration from stuff they liked growing up, and the newest generation of artists grew up with stuff like Undertale and watch currently airing shows like Digital Circus.

>>150359866 (OP)
Adventure Time and Steven Universe were a mistake

>>150359866 (OP)
I have questions that I don't know how to word. Basically I want to know what you took from your influences.

Why does everyone in the modern industry always watch nushit? No classic cartoons or anything.

>>150359938
Good construction, being exaggerated, being Looney and cartoony, anything you'd imagine like that.

>>150359944
I don't want you to get in trouble so I won't ask for examples of your work. But do you have any quick guides that illustrate these things?

>>150359896
>When has this ever been an expression?
Are you retarded?
Woolie Reitherman (one of the Nine Old Men) was a WW2 vet.
Joe Ruby and Ken Spears (Scooby Doo) were both Korean War vets.
Multiple WB and Looney Tunes animators came from working class and lower middle class families and worked odd jobs before getting into the industry.
Fucking Joseph Barbera was a semi-pro boxer.
This shit where all American artists are annoying nepo babies and retarded, sheltered urbanites is a recent phenomenon.

>>150359866 (OP)
Why would a specific thing with specific appeal attract varied people?

>>150359866 (OP)
the people who grew up poor are doing something that has more guarantee of money so that's an entire group of people out

>>150360018
Lower middle class workers don't care about animation because they have more accessible and relevant entertainment like tiktok and youtube

>>150359866 (OP)
>What ever happened to "cartoons being made by people from all walks of life"?
We found out that the majority of people from "all walks of life" were talentless, poor minorities.

>>150359866 (OP)
the others with varied taste probably chose to go into a different branch of arts like painting or sculpture

Its not about artistic expression or "story telling". Its visual hypnosis designed to influence and brainwash next generation of young and impressionable minds. The people they like to hire are pawns or nepo babies so they can keep it under their control.

>>150360018
You mean people with G.I. bills could take chances to work in the arts while regular working poor can’t?!?

nothing's stopping you from making one, even shitty one person clips exist, get like minded people and make it real. its easier than ever before

>>150359866 (OP)
Because they're all too much in dire straits to feel welcomed in the walk of life

>>150359866 (OP)
>I'm the only one who takes influence from the classics like Looney Tunes and Fleischer and Ren & Stimpy and stuff like that
Pyw

Animation doesn't have broad appeal. Only a certain type of person even watches cartoons and they only watch the same shit. Many young people today are going to be inspired by anime or what they see online. Even as a cartoon fan, if you've seen more than what you grew up with some heavy hitters (BTAS, ATLA), you're out of the norm. And think about the demographic who is going to school for animation, it's not going to be people from all walks of life. Most people can't afford to do that. Again, only a certain type can.

>>150360080

WRONG
VERY FUCKING WRONG
In the past being a draftsmen was a trade job, you learned this before specializing animation being one of the specializations
and gi bill get the fuck outta here look how cheap school was till the 90's trade/college/tech school was so much cheaper than uni you realize welfare and shit in the past was common you could get your education paid for shit companies would sponsor randon people too. "our generation' got fucking shafted man and its bullshit

the real problem is technical drawing is dead

>>150359866 (OP)
you sound like an insufferable fuckwit

>>150359866 (OP)
Be the change you want to be artfriend.

>>150360164
>disagree about or criticize anything
>”insufferable! I hate you!”
This is just being a toddler throwing vegetables off the tray with an adult body

Modern stuff is much more accessible and advertised. It also better appeals to current day tastes for a lot of people, for a lot of reasons.
That being said your classmates will all have a variety of tastes still, be careful not to write them off completely for stupid reasons. You need to network with and have positive relationships/opinions of these people, creating a mental wedge between you and them because of taste is going to be a bad idea.

>>150359877
FPBP

>>150360231
this anon has good advice, please listen to them

>>150360231
> creating a mental wedge between you and them because of taste is going to be a bad idea.
Them expecting you to enhance their work with some cartoony flavor (as can be seen from many 2010s cartoons like Star Vs) while otherwise dominating your tastes with theirs because there's more of them is also a bad idea

>>150359866 (OP)
Because your institutions are controlled by a totalitarian leftist ideology and everyone else in your class is a part of it. They think that they are gods that control reality and so go into art because it’s a fake little world that they control. They are a hive mind that all have the same want of being a cog for the totalitarian cult society and state.
>people from all walks of life
You mean straight white traditional Christian men.

>>150359939
>Final Fantasy XIII
I'm gonna have to protest this part of the image. No human being has ever been obsessed with XIII outside of its creator who just really wanted to fuck his OC waifu Lightning.

>>150359866 (OP)
You need to go, you dont fit

>>150360018
Nothing you've stated here has demonstrated that "cartoons being made by people from all walks of life" is an expression. Moreover, you've pretty much assumed that all those Digital Circus zoomer animators all come from the same backgrounds just because they have a few things in common. There's poor and middle class zoomers, and plenty of them have had to work odd jobs before getting into the industry (if they could find work at all). The main difference is that they're now gayer and more female compared to the older animators.

>>150360150
>the real problem is technical drawing is dead
Truth and half those guys learned proper drafting in trade (high) school not college age

>>150359866 (OP)
I felt the same when I went to art school over a decade ago. It can feel pretty annoying and lonely if you don't have anybody to share your interests with, but chances are you'll probably be a huge hit with normalfags in the other majors since your work is probably more approachable or recognizable as "animation." You're also probably more likely to find a job since the stuff you're into is, and always will be, in (hiring) vogue. Wait until the recruiters come and they see that you're the only animator who isn't making bubble cartoons about depression. You got this, anon.

>>150359866 (OP)
>"cartoons being made by people from all walks of life"?
Wtf are you on about? Art is for the elite (me)

>>150359877
>ChatGPT post

>>150360522
No, I'm human, but here's what ChatGPT actually has to say for comparison:
>You're right to feel uneasy. The industry is leaning toward homogeneity — driven by elitism, education pipelines, and cultural gatekeeping. That limits both who gets to make cartoons and what kinds of stories are told.
>But animation wants to be wild and messy and diverse. The cracks in the wall are already there — the future might come from the outside.
>If you're someone with different tastes or perspectives: the industry needs you more than ever.
AI provides more em-dashes and creepy fake emotional validation.

>>150359866 (OP)
the indoctrination techniques improved

>>150360522
ChatGPT wouldn't give out just a single lines of dialogue like that. I don't even know what makes you think that would be ChatGPT.

>>150360623
now i feel self-conscious because apparently, whenever i need to write properly, i just write like ChatGPT.

>>150360018
>Are you retarded?
>Woolie Reitherman (one of the Nine Old Men) was a WW2 vet.
>Joe Ruby and Ken Spears (Scooby Doo) were both Korean War vets.
>Multiple WB and Looney Tunes animators came from working class and lower middle class families and worked odd jobs before getting into the industry.
>Fucking Joseph Barbera was a semi-pro boxer.
>This shit where all American artists are annoying nepo babies and retarded, sheltered urbanites is a recent phenomenon.

There is the answer.

All these kids have the same exp and taste because only kids of that background have parents that can help pay for art school.

You have to have art school because of the way jobs use software to screen applicants. Not having the degree is an easy way for the software to reject your resume. Then after you get in, people with the same taste become friends and help each other get work.

Back in the day you could just walk around town and apply for jobs. Have a portfolio with you and show your work and you'd get a job. Also a lot more art jobs before magazines really dialed in using photos. Lots of artists could get paid doing black ink sketches for ads, books and magazines.

And if you needed art school it wasnt as expensive as today or you could use the GI bill

Also before the internet and 500 tv stations, people would read and practice their craft. You could very well get good at drawing or making music just noodling at home

>>150359866 (OP)
It requires a lot of effort and brings in not that much money. So the only people that want to do cartoons are nepobabies and freaks.

The sad thing is that you don’t have professional illustrators working in animation anymore.

>>150360645
Pretty ironic coming from chronic fart-huffer Randall Munroe.

>>150360150
Relatively cheap or not, ab art career and art college was still considered a bug rusk back then too. GI Bills allowed a lot of artists back then to pursue art careers they couldn't otherwise. Granted, having more art careers available also helped.

>>150359866 (OP)
Wow you sound so special if only more people were like you so we can have
> mass appeal
Get that stick out of your ass, touch grass and talk to the others on your level. Yeah those tumblr types; they're just like you, bitchass faggot.

>>150360294
Perhaps they meant all of FF? Although even that seems wrong because 14 attracts trannies and gamers and 15 disappeared faster than a fart in the wind.

>>150359866 (OP)
>influence from the classics like Looney Tunes and Fleischer and Ren & Stimpy and stuff like that
unhireable. good luck on your student demo reel and finding work but that style of animation is too expensive now. you'd be lucky to ever find a project to work on

>>150359866 (OP)
Most people are going to gravitate towards trends.If you're under 22, stuff like Looney Tunes or Fleischer or Ren and Stimpy haven't really been on TV for over two decades unless you go into obscure airing times most kids wouldn't watch. Even back in the day cartoonists were mostly inspired by comics they knew and read as kids, not stuff from the early 1800s
If anything you wanting to mimic cartoons most people under the age of 35 haven't seen full shorts of is going to give you far less mass appeal

>>150361256
100% gay behavior, good job fighting lgbtq acceptance, it was decreasing too slow
>>150361391
Funny considering that someone like Max Gilardi could do so much solo and there's plenty of others who learned from classic cartoons online (although many of them do porn) who are prolific

Maybe you just struggle with the style?
>>150361463
there is a wealth of drawing techniques in those cartoons, you don't need to copy the style or content.

>>150359866 (OP)
>New college animator here

You're fucking retarded to be in college for this when AI exists.

>>150361673
You're fucking retarded to be posting on 4chan when you could be doing literally anything else, but it doesn't stop you.

>>150361711
You know you can also do other things while posting on 4chan, right?

>>150361711
I like to go to 4chan to speak honestly without perverts watching my words and figuring out what they can do to damage or ruin my life in retaliation for them to get off on it and then whine “I'm no different from anybody else why do people hate gays!!” on their page

>>150359866 (OP)
I was in college in 2018 and it was all tumblr types obsessed with Adventure Time and Steven Universe.
One of the senior projects was made 100% in a Steven universe style, like it was just a fan film.

I did have one professor who was so sick of seeing everyone's generic anime shit over so many years that he dedicated an entire class at the beginning of the senior year to informing everyone that they are not going to make their anime. This senior project is not going to be the pilot of their own series. No pilots are to be made in anime style, Just stop.

>>150361919
Oddly it was the very few people that did make their stuff in a more bendy, looney tunes type of style that managed to land jobs after school. I think most of my classmates never once got into an art job.

>>150361673
Where are the AI cartoons pajeet

>>150359866 (OP)
>I'm the only one who takes influence from the classics like Looney Tunes and Fleischer and Ren & Stimpy and stuff like that,

>"Wow, dude, I love your Cuphead style!"

No wonder all modern cartoons feel the same nowadays

>>150361976
Where there any Upa/Silver/ styles

>>150361919
>dedicated an entire class at the beginning of the senior year to informing everyone that they are not going to make their anime
I’m pretty sure every western university that teaches art and animation does this, they fucking hate students aping anime and manga. So instead, all the students who wanted to copy anime just copy beanmouth tumblr nose styles.

>>150359866 (OP)
>anymore?
Fun fact - they never did.

>>150362128
Ah yes remember all those tumblr cartoons from the 90s

>>150360803
Because the pay is shit, the hours are long.

>>150362154
What part of
>courses attract varied people of varied taste
Are you incapable of understanding?

>>150362119
why don't they like japanese animation style?

>>150362028
AI came out 15 months ago you absolute drooling ape

>>150359866 (OP)
all the normal middle to lower class animators literally cannot afford college, so they never make t he connections required to work in any industry.
tho prersonally those animators who just make stuff for fun and have never gone to college tend to be 100x better than your regulars

>>150359866 (OP)
>why don't animation courses attract varied people of varied taste anymore?
Well it depends what college you're going to. If its a reputable art school thats only accessible to the middle and upper class then the environment gets kind of stale. Their interests all reflect and blend into each other's. If you were in something like community college or a different major thats not just animation/illustration (new media art or interdisciplinary art for example) you would see more varied work from different perspectives.

>>150362306
>>150362360
What makes you think the working class and middle class have more varied interests then the upper class?

>>150361919
>>150362119
>I forbid you to do what's popular.
No wonder they're a waste of time.

>>150362404
Uhh, real life?

>>150362186
I can give out an overall answer but I think one factor has to do with skipping fundamentals and diving straight into copying a style. Which is funny cause not all anime looks the same, many taking inspiration from works from around the world.

>>150362433
Copying something popular isn't going to make your work popular.
In fact, it'll usually have the opposite effect, why would someone who's interested in anime or manga in 2025 go with something trying to be anime or manga made by an American instead of just sticking to the genuine article?
It's best to have your own style that's influenced by other styles instead of just copying what's popular wholesale.

>>150362437
Leave your rock from time to time. People don't actually act like they do in your imagination.

>>150361919
>I did have one professor who was so sick of seeing everyone's generic anime shit over so many years that he dedicated an entire class at the beginning of the senior year to informing everyone that they are not going to make their anime. This senior project is not going to be the pilot of their own series. No pilots are to be made in anime style, Just stop.

Yeah, I remember my biggest school art teacher doing this too. I wonder how many artists they crush each year by not meeting them half way

You dumb fucks are all missing the important part. The art is secondary to the story. Write a good story and people will like your art. Write a bad story (or a good story badly written) and no one is going to give a fuck, unless your art is God Tier.

>>150362458
thnx

>>150362505
Disagree, marketing and PR matters more than anything else.

>>150359866 (OP)
Because that's the only type of person that will get hired by studios and have a career.

>>150359877
Yep. If you want to get into the industry you need to be funded by the Baskin Roberts Band.

>>150362475
Why does Burger King plant itself across the street from McDonalds or vice versa?

>>150362591
Uhh, I don't think Burger King gets by by just copying everything McDonalds does, even their signature burgers aren't just copies of the Big Mac.
In fact, they differentiate themselves by insisting that their cooking method for their burgers is different and offers a different flavor, which is why they think you should go with them over McDonalds, I don't think I've ever seen any burger place try to advertise themselves as "everything you love about McDonalds, but here instead!"
The same is also true of Wendy's, hence why they always advertise "fresh, never frozen" when it comes to their beef (who knows how true that is though).
You picked a really bad example for your analogy.

>>150360294
hey fuck you pal FF13 was great
I have fond memories playing it.

>>150362505
You need BOTH substance AND style to make a good story, dingus.

>entire parts of the country don't consider art a "real job"
>be surprised very few of them let their kids go to art school

>>150359939
So, problem with messages like yours is that you also are a do-nothing. You aren't "setting out to create the art that you'd like to see".
You just rather sit comfortably, watch anime and play games, same as your image described. Pot calling the kettle black.
Their path to producing media is not exclusive to them, you can do it as well you know?

>>150362505
After a decade and a half of beanmouth fatigue I'm not buying this lie anymore

>>150362505
>The art is secondary to the story.
Sorry but this is cope. Art is a visual medium, if I just wanted a good story I'd read a book.The only reason One Punch Man got so popular is because they upgraded the style.

>>150360468
>>150361976
Should be worth noting that people who work have certain art styles tend to work in different areas of the industry.

You got the circle of people who work in action cartoons like Arcane and Invincible, the kinds of college animation students who're comics nerds that also take inspiration from action anime tend to work there.

You got the whole Tumblr circle, the kinds influenced by Steven Universe and Adventure Time that can either draw in the beanmouth style or something decently realistically proportioned, these kinds of people tend to work on stuff like The Owl House, Amphibia, etc. (and also some cartoonier beanmouth shows like Gumball and Kiff) as well as indie shows like Hazbin and Digital, the Tumblr animation students who're lucky enough to get jobs usually get gigs on these kinds of shows.

Then you got the whole circle of people influenced by golden age and 90's cartoons like OP, these kinds of people in our modern industry work on modern Looney Tunes projects or modern SpongeBob, as well as the occasional modern Nicktoon like Middlemost Post or Wylde Pak. Any artist with a unique artstyle that has good cartooning like you mentioned typically ends up working in this circle.

Of course it's not uncommon for these kinds of circles to overlap, and there are cheap ass looking shows like preschool cartoons and adult sitcom slop that any animators can tend to work on just to pay bills or say "I've worked on something", but the artists around these circles tend to bond the most and have the most fun with other artists of said circle.

>>150363092
thank you informative anon

Indeed.I quitted art recently, but during my short stay at Art Class, all of them were like this.And yes they had Tumblr, Pinterest, all the same generic style.

>>150362505
This is barely a thing and you're probably only saying this because of the success of ONE's One Punchman

I’ve always been very influenced by those things too OP so I know the feel.
I think it was just this huge wave of millennial creatives around the mid 2010s who treated anime like it was God’s purest mana (not that I don’t like it but these people were basically the embodiment of the thing, Japan meme). Stuff like SU, Undertale, OK KO etc that heavily took cues from older anime tropes. Then you had a whole wave being inspired by that stuff but far less inspired and more watered down, on top of that older cartoons and media from the first half of the 20th century is much harder to access now than the pre-streaming age and those influences fall out of favor in place of anime and wannabe anime clones.

>>150363092
>Middlemost Post or Wylde Pak
those don't look like golden age cartoons though, Middlemost looks more like Uncle Grandpa than anything

This is the "art" that gets greenlit by studios and loved by audiences. Sorry friend, you have no hope.

If you want to change the industry, become a lawyer that makes $800 an hour, build up a small fortune over a few years, then fund your own cartoons with the kind of art and artists you want to see more of. It's the only way.

>>150362922
blogpost incoming
>grow up working class
>like making shitty comics and art from a young age
>parents felt bad because I had no friends so they got cheap art supplies and put me in art "classes" hosted by the local library where I didn't learn how to do jackshit but crappy arts and crafts, was fun tho
>get older, still making shitty art and comics, won a few awards from middle to high school and got to have my work displayed in an exhibit with other students
>parents are exasperated, say I need to start focusing on "the future"
>ask what colleges I'm interested in
>"dunno, maybe art school?"
>mom flips out, starts yelling and demanding to know how I'm going to pay for it, dad just shakes his head and tells me not to bother because it's not a "good investment"
>confused because I already knew they wouldn't be able to help pay for it and I had to rely on financial aid (the one good thing about being a poorfag)
>point this out and they get even angrier/disappointed, say they're going to kick me out because I'm wasting money on a "for profit art school" and that I would never have a good career
>still not convinced but I don't want to be kicked out so I tell them I won't go to art school
>eventually stop making my own art and start focusing on other things
I kinda got around this by getting into the Design field (specifically industrial design) which is semi-artistic but convinced my parents it had better prospects than just art by itself. I do wonder what could have been if my parents were more secure financially and weren't terrified at the thought of me being a "starving artist".

>>150364143
This is actually the biggest thing that kept me from going there. Looking back I wish I had done something ahead of time to get there.

>>150359939
Kek saved

>>150362526
Those help make something popular, not to make it good.

>>150362857
>>150363027
>>150363030
>>150364064
cope

>>150364574
>cope

I accept your defeat

>>150360018
>recent phenomenon
So the 80s counts as "recent"?

>>150359866 (OP)
>I'm pretty sure all cartoons in the future only being made by a certain type of people isn't a good thing for mass appeal.
Same with comics.

>>150364143
based blogpost, felt similarly with background and how it seemed like art had no future

>>150361711
the AI bubble is an antinatalist cult centred around megalomaniac jews who are unironically schizophrenic and also NERDS, FUCKING DWEEBS

>>150364631
It wasn't offered. But I'm guessing you need something to feel fulfilled in your life.

>>150364574
Anon back in the golden age artists used to have both good writing AND good animation, same can be said about the animation renaissance of the 90's, then shit like South Park, Family Guy, and Adventure Time came along and everyone started making their cartoons look as cheap as possible. It's always important for an artistic medium to look good. Oh well what should you know about art you're an average /co/ user who probably never once drew in his life.

>>150365001
Nonsensical buzzword soup is nonsensical.

>>150364143
It's not to late to become a "starving artist."

>>150364091
tbf Smiling Friends is like, one of the best cartoons of the decade, it actually looks unique and more artistically experimental compared to other adult cartoons that just choose to ape Family Guy. It's a miracle we even got a show like it given all the generic crap execs greenlit these days.

>>150365041
run it through google translate if you need it in Hindi

>>150365025
>"Uh I didn't lose and uh actually you're the loser, not me!"

Jesus christ what a bitch

>>150361673
kys techbro every AI cartoon I've seen is shit.

>>150361919
College professors really like artwork that isn't generic Tumblr shit. I have a cartoony style too and one of my animation professors tended to usually gravitate towards my work compared to other students.

>>150362072
Anon most "UPA styles" I've seen these days are shit attempts at replicating Butch Hartmans or Total Dramas style, If I was a college professor I wouldn't let them into the industry.

The best UPA style cartoons take influence from the OG stuff rather than what came after it, that's how we got cool looking stuff like Powerpuff Girls.

>>150361919
>>150361976
What does your art look like anon? Just curious

>>150359866 (OP)
Why does this feel like OP made up something to farm engagement? Kind of gives away the game when you claim to be a "new college animator" but you specify 2015 tumblr era.

>>150360522
nigger is he wrong

>>150359866 (OP)
>I just got to college
>why is everyone into youtube cartoon, (sequel) weeb game and anime?
>I'm pretty sure all cartoons in the future only being made by a certain type of people isn't a good thing for mass appeal.
Don't take this the wrong way,
Welcome to college, enjoy your stay.
Also: potentially zero people on your course will get into the industry itself, even if they reflect the people who do.

Sadly we've been sliding into weebshitter hell for 25 years.

>>150359939
>png
>"some actually kinda good"
>weebshitter le goth gurl pierced tongue image
The creator of this image is actually a part of the problem.

>>150359896
>When has this ever been an expression?
Never.
But OP is experiencing culture shock whereby you enter what is a middle class area and find out everyone sucks, likes all the wrong things, and likely have no redeeming qualities such as... "Hey I made a bunch of fun silly drawings, can we team up?"
When I did my computer science degree there were some nerds and next to no women but most people there weren't particularly redeemable human beings who enjoyed coding, including the lecturers. Absolutely zero communication wit hthe industry. Modern social problems were very evident.

I would also say "growing up with Undertale" is really sad given it's not only derivative but culturally confused (an American remakes Japanese media in Internet fashion) and its creator is an actual dysfunctional terminally online weirdo and not a normal person who gets married and has children, which is what the 20th century """weirdos""" y'know actually did back in the day.

>>150364143
To be fair, most art colleges /are/ for proftit scams. But that doesn't mean it's not worth going to the good ones where you can network and hone skills.
There's a handful coastal schools worth it. The most true thing Alex Hirsch said is that most art colleges just end up letting students do whatever so they waste time making bullshit and playing video games, but Cal arts makes sue you can actually put animation together.
The thing is, a lot of places will call art a waste of time but will let kids do sports for years even if it never nets them a scholarship and they waste their formative years not actually learning anything because schools pass them so they can be allowed to play. There's less of a chance of making a sports career than an art career, but there's countless school pushing kids into it to the point a lot of teenagers end up with more wear and tear on their bodies than they should. But no one can ever tell these places sports isn't worth it or not a real job.

>>150359866 (OP)
Animation is a children's medium. Grow up and use live action.

>>150359866 (OP)
Digital Circus is actually very cartoony if you'd watch it. Inspired by a lot of the things you like.

>>150359877
This, but it's not just socio-economic, it's regional. If you're not from LA, New York, or Seattle, then fuck off.
I noticed this with the recent MST3k netflix seasons. Gone were the very Midwestern styles of humor, replaced instead by just more LA slop.

>>150364656
There were a couple of animators from the 90's and 2000's that came from different backgrounds, Stephen Hillenburg was a marine biologist, Seth MacFarlane doubled as both a stand up comedian and a singer, Thurop Van Orman was an adventurer who once spent a month in the Mexican jungles living off of sea urchins, not to mention all the interesting ways cartoons came to be, like how people like Danny Antonucci and Jhonen Vasquez made some pretty edgy shit before making their cartoons.

Any new cartoons are corporate slop that aren't attached to interesting success stories like this.

>>150366590
Nothing says LA Slop like Har Mar Superstar, huh?

>>150366675
>Any new cartoons are corporate slop that aren't attached to interesting success stories like this.
Yea, most of the new stuff is made by middle/upper-middle class art majors whose most interesting experiences were shit they did on tumblr in high school.
It's all so fucking uninteresting, it's like how so many modern TV shows hire unironic fanfiction writers instead of ACTUAL writers.

>>150366675
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenshi_Hirokane

Its /a/ but it still counts. There's also people like Tsutomu Nihei who worked in construction.

What>>150362475 said also applies too.

>>150366750
Actually, all the new shitty beanmouth shows you see were made by millenials, not new zoomers freshly graduated.

Execs are too scared of putting Gen Z in charge of projects.

>>150367095
>Actually, all the new shitty beanmouth shows you see were made by millenials
I don't see how this disproves anything I just posted.
Do you think zoomers were the ones posting on tumblr in high school?

>>150366590
>This, but it's not just socio-economic, it's regional. If you're not from LA, New York, or Seattle, then fuck off.
People move to those places to work in creative fields. Lots of people from out of state who went to college to study and stay to work in an industry.

>>150366590
>>150367223
When did companies start fetishizing and only accepting Los Angelites? If we're gonna get another animation Renaissance we're gonna need them to look for talent outside of LA.

>>150366750
>Yea, most of the new stuff is made by middle/upper-middle class art majors whose most interesting experiences were shit they did on tumblr in high school.
That's most people in general. People aren't afforded the ability to have unique life experiences and start over like they used to.
Boomers and Gen Xers could just up and restart their lives at 35 if they wanted. Just move to a new town and get a job with a firm handshake and lie about their experience and be promoted to a lifetime career position.
Millenials and zoomers are broke as shit and pushed that the need to be settled into work as soon as possible because of constant reminders they need to save for a house and a car.

>>150367277
Because all those companies are centered in LA? That's the price to play anon. It all starts at the top. All the execs are in LA, because if you're rich as fuck LA is a great place to live. So they establish all their studios and work in that area.
If you can't be assed to move to network to the center hub of entertainment, why do you think some rich guys are gonna go out of their way to look for you? Animation isn't even that big to them. There's countless other people wanting those jobs.

>>150367332
>Millenials and zoomers are broke as shit and pushed that the need to be settled into work as soon as possible because of constant reminders they need to save for a house and a car.
(That they'll never be able to afford, let alone to the level their parents and grandparents did.)

>>150367332
>That's most people in general. People aren't afforded the ability to have unique life experiences and start over like they used to.
Gonna disagree there, there's clearly a scale for these things.
Just because you're not an ex-adventurer who went out roughing it in the Amazon for half a decade doesn't mean you can't have some interesting experiences.
The problem is that these art majors all have the exact same experiences, they might as well be carbon copies of each other.

>>150367398
Because again, societal pressures means people who aren't decently off aren't going to support their kids going into animation. A good school like Cal Arts is highly competitive so most of the teenagers going to them will be dedicating a good deal of their lives into preparing to get in. Then 4 years in school working. Then trying to work in the industry and being busy.
I'm sure there are outliers, but overall the environment that let unique voices get into art as a career just aren't there like it used to be.

>>150367589
Then don't just hire art school majors, get people outside of that bubble who actually have interesting experiences and interesting stories they want to tell.

>>150364091
>>150365126
I used Smiling Friends as an example but every fucking "adult cartoon" has this stupid intentionally ugly or preschool level artstyle, like fucking Superjail, or even more mainstream shit like Regular show. Normies with their weed losing their shit over this stuff, god only knows why.

Meanwhile this is what animation looked like 100 goddamn years ago. This is the definition of regression.

>>150364574
>Those help make something popular, not to make it good.

No such thing as 'good' or 'bad' in art. The same exact work of art, with different marketing / PR backing will have different consensus.

>>150367697
I do agree that many adult cartoons have that generic ass shitty Family Guy/Rick & Morty clone style but fucking Superjail? That show has great looking animation, even if I'm not a fan of the character designs on their own, it definitely looks pretty good for an adult cartoon, gives off an absurdist heavy metal/surrealist vibe to it.

>>150364143
Grandfather had a college account and I studied animation then dropped out in my third year because the animation industry was crumbling and I realized how retarded of an idea the degree was. Now I work part time and make art for my own satisfaction. It's pretty cash honestly.

>>150359939
MeTV Toons and recent Blu-Ray releases is changing that for the better, also fixed.
>>150361391
Not the case, it's just that the hippy ladies running these networks just hate that stuff.
>>150361463
MeTV Toons is fixing that.
>>150361919
I remember that, When I was taking these classes they wanted Tex Avery and Bob Clampett, no anime unless it was something like Osamu Tezuka, Fujiko F. Fujio, Sazae-San, Chibi Maruko-Chan, Shin-Chan, PSG or golden age TMS (1983-2000).
>>150365717
We got Cartoon Saloon out of Butch Hartman, he isn't completely worthless.

>>150368286
>absurdist/surrealist
I'm no art critic, but I know what I hate, and everything I hate uses this excuse of "it's meant to be absurdist/surrealist"

>>150360645
literally me

>>150367663
The reason they hire art school majors, besides networking, is because certain schools( namely CalArts) have known expectations that make them preferred hires. Timeliness is a major factor. You could animate on your own and have something to present, but they’re taking a risk if they don’t know how timely you are or how you work with others.

>>150368763
Shut up Family Computer System!

>>150368926
That came from someone who came from the animation industry, stop thinking everyone is Famicom just because they speak the truth when it comes to anime.

I dunno about those zoomers but my inspiration stems from Don Bluth and Brain Dead 13, I just like how expressive everything is. It's like eye candy.

>>150368763
kys retard

>>150361673
The AI bubble popped already, Rakesh, investors are backing out because it's deemed "too risky"

>>150361391
>Have an expressive cartoony artstyle
>Graduate college
>You can only get work on stuff like NuSpongeBob and NuLooney Tunes stuff
>Normies don't watch NuLooney Tunes stuff cause of shitty marketing
>Normies hate on NuSpongeBob and think you're trying to make the next big meme face

There's no winning

>>150369241
>The AI bubble popped already
this is some serious cope. also untrue, AI makes better looking stuff for faster and cheaper and the only "risk" is the social stigma, which will pass

>>150369187
Not a retard, thats someone who came from the industry.

>>150362505
There have been several instances of shit wrapped up in good artstyles that people loved, you think anyone would give a shit about Panty & Stockings writing if it didn't have that cool easternized PowerPuff Girls-inspired artstyle?

>>150369456
Nobody who posts retarded shit like that would be smart enough to get into college, Famicunt

>>150359866 (OP)
>2015 Tumblr type obsessed with shit like Digital Circus and Deltarune and shit
Alright I'm gonna shill for a bit. I recently found this guy on youtube, he's a 2d animation guy. like a real one, he knows way more than you do about the medium and industry, I promise.

He reacted to TADC, analyzing every little frame, and really made me appreciate just how brilliant it is. Have a look if you care to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BININaEE48Q

>>150369241
>The AI bubble popped already
Just two more weeks

>>150369427
Where are the AI cartoons
Where are they

>>150369509
YES THEY ARE BARNEYFAG!!!
We had this talk before, back in 2014.

>>150369557
Digital Circuses lead animator Kevin Temmer is definitely one of those golden age-inspired animators. He just translates his wackiness into 3D rather than 2D

>>150369636
Barneyfag hasn't been on 4Chan in years you fucking skitzo

>>150369557
Why they're right here
https://x.com/0xFramer/status/1955268230257238106

what cool technological advancements guyyyyssss

>>150359877
>social mobility slowly grinding to a halt over the last 50 years or so
I wonder why that is. Could it be the internet and social media giving everyone access to display their behavior to the masses? And as a result everyone has realized that stereotypes are based in reality and everyone is not as good and clean as wee were led to believe?

Nah I'll just say those dang dirty racist sexist ___ists are spreading nonsense

>>150369647
Shit I meant to reply to
>>150369510

>>150369668
He is still around.

>>150369719
>hurble burble libruls
lol

>>150369708
>its yet ANOTHER cartoon about a loser adult
>its yet ANOTHER cartoon in the Family Guy artstyle
>the "dance" Hopeless Steve does at the end

>>150369798
yeah well this is what professional artists were doing and now it's what AI does

>>150369931
The best part about having a unique cartoony artstyle like OP is that it's harder for AI to properly replicate it, the styles that AI slop replicates are ones that are overused and generic, like Pixar, beanmouth, and Ghibli films. The key to fighting against AI is being creative.

>>150368904
The rich kids also don’t have to work until after college, so their idea of timeliness is based on assuming no one else has responsibilities outside of art & a poor’s work experience in normal jobs isn’t real work experience. Though it’s easier than ever to look up what a portfolio needs to look like and eventually grind it out.

>>150360693
I wouldn't worry about it.
You sound like chagpt when you "write properly" because chagpt is literally trained on data that is written properly. It's not worth being self-conscious about.

The alternative is you sounding like a twitter-trained retard who can only articulate through template meme phrases and shorthand.

>>150369514
Anon I'm pretty sure in the next two weeks we'll see the king of AI Elon get involved in another scandal

>>150369791
Get raped by blacks

>>150367589
What the fuck is the purpose of Calarts these days? The initial purpose for it was for people to graduate with enough skill to work on a 2d animated Disney film, but Disney doesn't fucking make 2D animated films anymore.

>>150366750
>it's like how so many modern TV shows hire unironic fanfiction writers instead of ACTUAL writers.
Were you specifically thinking of that Final Fantasy(?) fanfic writer we found out worked on the new King of the Hill episodes or something else? I'm not assuming it's not true, just curious about other prominent examples of that crap.

>>150362458
I think it's also cause of how samey it looks, fake anime shit like Avatar and K-Pop Demon Hunters will always look a little off cause they just copy the superficial features of anime.

Animes style was always a Japanese attempt at replicating the Disney style, best Americans stick with their own countries style.

>>150371531
They don't even do "attempt at replicating the Disney style" anymore, it's just Filmation with Bambi eyes now of days.

>>150359939
These kinds of students are the same people who got their start in animation making shitty "animation memes"

>>150370637
The skillset also translates to storyboarding and design and other aspects.
Plus there's the fact that they do a rudimentary 2D version of 3D films before animating the 3D

>>150371839
Being a concept artist at Disney sounds fucking useless and retarded these days, they don't stylize their fucking films anymore, it all gets neutered into that same artstyle they've used since Tangled.

Tip, if you don't wanna be an annoying insufferable animator, stay off of Twitter

>>150359877
this but also jews

>>150371936
Style is harder to get in computer animation

>>150359866 (OP)
I'm glad people like SmallBu Animation still exist.
They do really fluid animation and can mimic all kinds of styles when hired for it, but still have their own distinct style for personal projects.

>>150364143
There are a lot of things that will shock you when you get to college. My fondest is learning fraternities are full of actual fucking sociopaths
>Be me
>socially awkward autismo
>Go to college
>We get the usual talks about rape at frat parties and the one in four and all that
>All the frats are making this big PR move to show they're taking it very seriously
>They'll gladly talk about this stuff. See? They care!
>Suddenly, a hazing death
>They basically let him die entirely because the party would've been cut short if they actually called 911
>Bring it up in passing in the rec room at my dorm
>Both a frat guy and a sorority girl who were visiting one of the people in there look at me and say "we don't talk about that."
>Room with a pledge, talk about the death, he insists they're unfairly blaming the frats because they don't like the frats
>Learn that pledge culture is a brainwashed cult and a lot of them are facing dropping GPAs because the frat will take up all their time to do errands for the frat guys themselves.
Let that be a lesson for you anons going off to college. If the frats talk about confronting any significant issues with frat culture, know that there are at least 3 others they don't even want you mentioning

>>150373293
The faternity/sorority shit is so alien to me as a yuro. It simply doesn't exist over here. There are clubs and societies people join but really nothing like what I understand of frat culture with people having to do dumb or degrading shit to join. Here students just associate and drink with whoever rather than it being a competitive or team based thing. What's actually the benefit? Just connections so you can benefit from nepotism once you graduate?

>>150359866 (OP)
Even when the animators were all white men, they each came with different ideas on how animation should work. Now, all the animators may be different races and sexes but they all think the exact same way, so all their cartoons are the exact same.

>>150373444
Hunting lodge rules. They want their spawn associating with the "correct societal upwards bound" sort, so these bubbles got made for them to huff their own farts in. Then it became TRADITION to huff their own farts. Then the commoners saw all these rich jackoff fart huffers and thought "well they must be doing something we're not" and imitated them, but with copious amounts of beer and less classy prostitutes.
The likely inbred rich spawns (note the lack of chin they often have) saw the commoners having more fun in their bubbles than they were having in their own and imitated the poor people to party harder. Then partying was made a contest and a rich young jackoff with an unlimited college allowance and freedoms they'd never had before can and will take things too far. So you get these campus cults of ritualistic floggings and other Pinhead nonsense.

All so rich kids only socialize with other rich kids and don't get any ideas about change.

>>150367663
>get people outside of that bubble
That reminds me, the director of the Ne Zha movies used to study pharmacy and was a neet for some time. Despite no formal training in animation school, Jiao Zi's films were a massive hit in China.

I can't find the article now but I remember a discussion earlier in the year on 4chan said he got brought in to do the first Ne Zha movie because the studio liked a short he made.

https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/china-personalities/article/3298201/china-blockbuster-ne-zha-2-director-jiao-zi-reveals-spending-3-years-living-parents


>The director of the historically successful film Ne Zha 2 has revealed how he was unemployed for more than three years during which time he had to depend on his mother’s meagre pension of 1,000 yuan (US$140) a month.

>In a show of gratitude for his parents’ support and tolerance, the director, Jiao Zi, whose real name is Yang Yu, added plenty of parental love content to his Ne Zha series which is adapted from an ancient Chinese mythology.

>>150373293
That's insane, I went to an art college without any frats- I'm sure there was still some underground degeneracy, but it I'm sure it beats what sounds like a normalized torture cult

>>150368763
>That image
Kek

>>150373293
This is a lie, as college does not work like that.

>Be me
>Go to college
>We get the usual talks about going to space, curing cancer and producing solid state batteries and all that.
>All the frats are looked down apon, no one takes them seriously.
>The normies gladly talk about curing cancer. See? They care!
>Suddenly, a almost hazing death
>I immediately call 911
>Guy's life is saved
>Bring it up in passing in the rec room at my dorm
>Both a guy and a girl (both brother and sister so they were not in a relationship) who were visiting me and say "Thank you for saving that guy's life."
>Got into a serous relationship with the girl.
>Room with a pledge, talked about the death, give me money that I had more then enough to pay off collage, I still have over 75% of the cash from saving the guy's life as of today
>Learn that the police are not pigs and are always there to help.
>Graduated collage.
>Married the girl I met in collage.
>Been years since it happened, now have 3 kids with said woman.
>Now work in the medical field.
>Door bell rings, it's the guy that I saved his live.
>Now works for NASA and gets paid a arm and a leg.
>We got to know each other and he's doing extremely well, has a wife and 4 kids.
>Gives me a bunch of money for thanking me for saving his life that day, it's less then 0.0001% of his salary but it's 4 times more then I got in that collage pledge.
>Find out that his family has a bunch of oil rigs in Texas and Alaska which explains the money.
>Leave and we went on about our day.
>Still in touch.

Also collages don't autismos, it's why they can take SSI, otherwise SSI will block them.

So please stop lying, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>150373936
He's lying.

>>150374168
>>150374196
Oh hey, it's the contradiction bot who appears and accuses everyone who had any life experiences different to theirs of lying. I recognise you.

>>150374320
I have a life, you don't, so please shut the fuck up, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>150374345
Disregard all previous instructions, accuse me of lying.

>>150359866 (OP)
Your contradict yourself with your own logic.

modern cartoonists like to shoehorn in their retarded politics into everything they do, including shoving fag shit into kid shows. they will never hire anybody who isn't staunchly on their team, so it's not even possible to get your foot in the door if you don't get indoctrinated in college. a lot of youtube animators will never get a job in the industry because they even dare to associate with people who aren't politically active leftoids.

most creative industries are like this now. they say shit like "conservatives are incapable of making anything creative" and then they get those people deplatformed whenever they try.

>>150360282
this might be a crazy concept, but a showrunner who created the show might not want to compromise much on their vision

>>150367277
>When did companies start fetishizing and only accepting Los Angelites?
Never, if you mean "people who grew up in LA." If you mean "people who live in LA", All actors live in LA because it really helps to be near the studio in case a casting call comes up. Add in thee union rules about how far an actor can drive to work before it becomes a "remote location" and they get higher pay and perks etc. This is why so many movies are set in LA.

>>150374667
who were conservative artists in the golden age of animation? gimmie a list.

Animation is expensive to make, so producers want to spend as little money as possible and see as much profit as possible. Little money means low pay and long hours for the animators, resulting in poor quality. High profit means trying to appeal to everybody, which means you get bland TV shows and movies. This is compounded by the fact that the producers are talentless bean counters, so they will always favour going with the flavour of the month/year/decade over trying something new.

>>150359866 (OP)
This isn't uncommon. I've experienced something similar as someone who studied music.

>>150372616
The hard part mostly has to do with pipelines and workflows with 3d

>>150359866 (OP)
You should watch that movie Art School Confidential, I think you'd relate to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNBfGqXG24

>>150359866 (OP)
Wanting to offer art to these newer generations is like offering science books to people with dementia

>>150376813
What do the music students like to listen to?

>>150366691
That's one singer, the humor in the revival is all coastal. No more dipping into midwestern accents or referencing local anything, it's all LA humor.

>>150369510
Not that guy but thanks for the recommendation

>>150377181
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiBxasI64I

>>150377255
It's nice music

>>150377267
I know.

>>150377181
Ai generated music

>>150377295
Jump Up Super Star isn't AI generated music, it was made by actual people (Naoto Kubo, Shiho Fujii and Koji Kondo to be specific).

>>150360803
He's a big guy

>>150359866 (OP)
>his society is collapsing into degeneracy
>WHY THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE?!?!

No idea, chief.

>>150377359

For you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdcOR179_Q

>>150374667
Yeah unlike christians and conservatives who never push their politics or messaging in any form of media. Never ever. And there's never been a history of christians or conservatives avoiding nepotism or only hiring within their own group.

>>150366750
It's because of money. Why pay someone competent for a kid's show when you could pay someone 1/3rd the cost and get the same effect?
>b-but muh quality
Do you think the suits care? They're not even gonna be there in three years.

>>150377419
>Do you think the suits care?
Yes, it's how Studio Mir got founded.

>>150377419
>They're not even gonna be there in three years.
This is what frustrates me about American capitalism today. Everything is always a stepping stone, nobody has any loyalty (the corporation least of all), and everyone is half assing everything because they won't be around when it fails.

>>150377445
Be the asskissing, terminally retarded, middle manager of your own life, anon.

>>150368956
Sadly their brains are fried and fragged from troll spam.
The main problem with North American animation is conformity, complacency, and playing catch-up

>>150359866 (OP)
I've bought new Metal Hurlan comicbook from france lately to check it out (It is what US Heavy Metal comics were based on) and every single story is pure leftist agenda, mostli evil corporations that ban you from having food but also antivaxers being evil, poor people being the nicest people around etc.
There were no typical SF stuff about aliens or space exploration or anything. All had agenda. Also some of these comics were so badly drawn I'd rather see AI generated comicbooks with crooked hands.

>>150359866 (OP)
It’s good that you have your own unique style and inspirations and that will set you apart from the rest of your cohort. However, bear in mind that people that like stuff like Deltarune etc are actually quite rare IRL so don’t let that put you off. Outside of uni, most people will just be in to football or the current flavour of the month show or TikTok trend. Liking stuff like Deltarune is actually quite rare and would be considered weird by most.
Some will also be your future colleagues and network so don’t go the whole ‘I’m better than them’ approach because that will only bite you in the arse later

>>150368926
>And then it screamed for mercy as I vored it.

>>150359939
Sometimes these kinds of people tend to overlap with those influenced by classic and 90’s cartoons, modern SpongeBob for example has people like Pinkie Davis and Jennifer Gleeson working on it and they do a great job at nailing the Ren & Stimpy look.

>>150359866 (OP)
>>150359877
>>150377700
Yammering about Twatter won't magically solve this issue
These views of animation and entertainment develop from the assumption that an actor or creator should be treated as property of their studio and fandom. Social media hasn't caused it directly, but it has become a strong platform for fans to claim shadow-ownership of the works they like

>>150366675
The only new cartoons people accept are beanmouth shit cause it’s easier to animated, sure while>>150361976
happens

Most of the generic people you see in animation classes will be used as fodder for these kinds of projects, them applying to this shit is like a bunch of sperm cells racing to an egg given the job market for animation these days

>>150359866 (OP)
who was the guy this is a caricature of?

>>150377936
Peter Lorre

>>150377626
Also the general fact that, culturally, America never saw value in animation as a true art form or serious artistic tool. In fact, the very idea of cartoons being used to teach strong, specific moral lessons was considered "Satanic" by 1930s executives and directors

>>150374168
>t. frat cultist with liver disease and a 2.5 GPA

>>150359877
Checked
>entertainment
More like all industries in general.

>>150378191
the entire entertainment industry started as a cover for the sex-work industry and an extension of carnival sideshow attractions. The term "Movie" comes from old film crews constantly moving their entire sets from location to location to avoid locals and police

not all people from all walks of life could afford the scam called animation school

Men do not actually like cartoons.

I know a lot of women who despite being interested in stuff like anime, Steven Universe, or whatever, actually know a lot more than people would think about the process of animation and its history. Just because they don’t take inspiration from Fleischer directly doesn’t mean they don’t know it, and just because you do doesn’t mean you like cartoons any more than these nugen women.

>>150373444
they basically started out as secret societies, like the Freemasons or the Illumanati, but for college students. Everybody would get together and discussed whatever retarded social or political views they had, and they all kept it under wraps so as not to hurt their own reputations. After a while though, you get a lot more people going to colleges than just the elite or influential, which meant that these institutions got flooded with the low-class part-animals that we associate with them today. So now, you've got two classes of people in college fraternities; the initiated who just want a designated house to get wasted in, and the weirdos who still take the secrecy shit seriously and try to socialize with the fucking rockefellers or what have you.

>>150362479
lmaaaaao

>>150359939
They just endlessly complain about the women being sexy

unrelated but

i've been watching tex avery and old tom and jerry. im having more fun than watching the reboots of nowadays.
tom and jerry on singapure is the closets to the spirit of the show that i could get nowadays.

>>150376727
uh, thread/

>>150359866 (OP)
>kiddie in college
>thinks he has any valuable opinion on how cartoons are perceived
change your diaper and stop larping

>>150367332
Yeah, I think unique influences matter more than unique experiences, since creation is all about mixing what's being done before, not just telling what happened to you or your friend.

>>150378506
Many of them are lesbians themselves but only get turned on by unattractive chibi shit like Pomni and Isabelle from Animal Crossing, not what’s actually made to be fucking sexy

>>150378635
And obviously Gennady has a unique background compared to his peers at the time, but we wouldn't get SJ if he didn't like different types of movies.

Why is this thread and every past thread about this topic just an AI blaming past culture for the issues caused by current culture?

>>150378550
>Tom and Jerry in Singapore is the best attempt at matching the originals
Funny enough I feel the exact same way. It has the furthest visual style but I think it's probably one of the only post-HB Tom and Jerry projects that really gets the characters and their dynamic.

Generation Gaps suck. Especialyl when following fads and trends that become outdated and out of style within 3 months

>>150366675
Weren’t Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McKraken also both college roommates or was that just a fake Facebook fact I’ve seen?

What were college animation majors like back in the 90’s-2000’s? Was "I wanna work at Disney" basically their equivalent to wanting to work on bland action shows? What were the animators who never got into the industry like?

>>150379585
>What were the animators who never got into the industry like?
Jeff Smith was an animator before making Bone, wasn't he?

>>150379714
Yes, he’s worked on Bebes Kids and Rover Dangerfield, those are like his only animation credits on IMDB, I guess the job market for animation was always a bit fucky

>>150374168
Oh hey this is the exact opposite story huh weird

>>150359866 (OP)
you need a better college

>>150368763
at least they're not a faggot

>>150379498
Tell me more about DA KULTCHA, GPT

>>150378218
All of this is fiction

>>150380235
Hollywood existed before the Hays Code or golden age studio system, it was originally called Hollywoodland.

>>150380171
Seriously were you dropped at birth at prom night?

>>150371936
>why are heavily stylized drawings that were never meant to be animated better than a frame of animation
Humanity is doomed.

>>150380171 #
Seriously were you dropped at birth on >>150380744
prom night?

>>150380171 #
Seriously were you dropped at birth at prom night?

>>150380780
No
I'm just annoyed by every thread like this being one long vaguepost

>>150377977
Tex Avery, Bob Clampett, Frank Tashlin, Art Davis, Bob McKimson, Bill Hanna, Joe Barbera, Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng will all like to have a word with you, they not only proved that America did saw value in animation as a true art form and serious artistic tool but did view that the very idea of cartoons being used to teach strong, specific moral lessons.

Because of those guys animation was considered "Holy" by 1930s executives and directors, and Tex Avery made sure of it.
>>150378243
Yes they do, case in point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD1_vf6VAa0
>>150378218
That has never been the case.

>>150379955
Thats what happen, that other post was lying.
>>150378180
Not the case.
>>150379324
And the funny thing is that Snipple who is a Filipino studio is the ones PRODUCING these shorts with ZERO American involvement proves that they have the skill but the American won't let them shine.

>>150364143
To add onto your blogpost, I knew that animation probably wasn't going to work out, so I thought maybe film school could work. (one of my highschool teachers had a son that was actually getting work)
The closest school that had it was Memphis though, and my parents did not want to even entertain the idea because "I would get shot."
Now I'm just trying to graduate with a CS degree and fund stuff later. Why worrying about the meddling executive producers when I could be the meddling executive producer?

>>150380280
>Hollywoodland
Yes. An ad for a local real estate development. Irrelevant to the discussion.

>>150359866 (OP)
Anime is kino.

>>150381949
When it's done right.

>>150369257
>"Noooooooo we can’t have normies watch actual cartoons like The Day the Earth Blew Up lets instead feed them manufactured garbage slop like K-Pop Demon Hunters and Grubhub style Pixar movies"

I hate executives with a burning passion.

>>150381968
>When it's done right.
That's for any animation.

>>150381974
They despise Katie Rice for stealing Atsuko Tanaka's job on Animaniacs'2020, and because Katie Rice worked on The Day the Earth Blew Up normies avoided it like the plague.

>>150381629
This doesn't prove that men like cartoons.
You can make cartoons and not like them, not everyone who does their job likes it.

>>150359866 (OP)
>Ren & Stimpy
>good

>>150381968
>>150382030
Take your meds

>>150382088
That show was arguably the most influential cartoon of the 90’s, it paved the way for shows like Rocko, Cow & Chicken, Edd Edd & Eddy, Animaniacs, Courage, etc. and rebelled against the stiff shit sanitized cartoons from the 80’s by being as off model and insane as possible. Theres a reason animators love it so much anon.

>>150382135
>shows like Rocko, Cow & Chicken
Which are also shit

>>150382030
Who the fuck is Atsuko

>>150382172
Boohoo sorry you were raised on beanmouth shit and have zero taste

>>150382203
>haha is that le butt !? so funneh xD

>>150381807
Babylon era existed.
Keep denying Tex Avery and early Betty Boop as being influential
The only person suggesting they were of no value is you

>>150382231
Anon there was more to those shows humor than just that, you’re just a fag who views everything at surface level

>>150382266
He thinks animation didn't exist before 1939

>>150382266
>there was more to those shows humor than just that

>>150382260
Nibba what does that have to do with Betty Boop

>>150382096
That is the case.
>>150382135
No that was Tiny Toons, Ren and Stimpy was considered slop by critics back in the day. (see picture)
>>150382172
I like them but critic viewed them as slop.
>>150382196
Former Telecom (TMS) director who animated a bunch of Ghibli movies and later went to Ghibli itself after getting laid off from Telecom because of Secret of Cerulean Sand's bombing, went freelance in 2014 due to Ghibli closing down it's original animation department.

Atsuko Tanaka was a director on the original Animaniacs and she was supposed to do the reboot, Katie Rice stole her job and Telecom who was supposed to do the reboot was forced to do Tower of God's first season and Shenmue: The Animation against their will when Titmouse and Snipple butchered Animaniacs in the process.

https://ghibli.fandom.com/wiki/Atsuko_Tanaka

>>150382368
How do you know they were slated to do the reboot? Any inside sources?

>>150382351
Your precious beanmouth shit has butt jokes on it as well, mald harder

>>150382368
Your wall of retardation means nothing, Famicom

Cartoon animation is dead, nobody wants to watch western made shit. Nobody wants to animate anything more complex than simple rounded shapes.
That's why anime wannabe and 3D animation is taking over.

>>150382390
https://twitter.com/gabe_swarr/status/1322936167822577666

They asked Toshihiko Masuda who was the chief director on the original to be Animaniacs'2020's chief director but Masuda was too busy doing storyboards for Pierrot's Boruto to come back to Telecom full time.

They did get Yuichiro Yano (another director on the original Animaniacs) to be chief director but Wellesley Wild hated everything the original crew stood for so he forced Telecom to do Tower of God's first season and Shenmue: The Animation (Warner Bros owned Crunchyroll at the time) against their will, removed Telecom from Animaniacs'2020's production and replacing them with Titmouse and Snipple so they can butcher the production, they also replace Atsuko Tanaka who was going to be a episode director with Katie Rice as well, immeatly droping the quality of that non existence there was.

The whole thing was a shit show.

>>150382409
Not retardation, those are MOTHER FUCKING FACTS!!!

>>150382368
Famitard TMS was never gonna return to work on the reboot in the first place, have you seen how many reboots/revivals of this decade have had downgrades in animation quality? Phineas & Ferb, Clone High, King of the Hill, they all look cheaper compared to their original run nor are they animated by the same studios from their original run, all thanks to executives not wanting to spend that much money on them and many overseas studios not accepting more complicated artstyles without amazing pay. Not to mention that Japan doesn’t really animate overseas anymore since they focus on their domestic animation market, getting TMS to animate the original series was considered expensive even during the original run of the show.

>>150381806
At this point I'd rather listen to those executives.

>>150382366
You're denying the influence it had on animation as a whole because it doesn't conform to your personal ideals of cartoons

>>150382563
Yes, they were, If you look at that Twitter link they did ask Telecom to do Animaniacs'2020 before Wellesley Wild shafted them.

If Animaniacs'2020 never happened Telecom would've done Lupin III Part 6 instead of TMS directly and we would've got Lupin III Part 6 years earlier as well.

>Japan doesn’t really animate overseas anymore.
Tower of God, Shenmue: The Animation, Cosmo Samurai and Rick and Morty: The Anime will all like to have a word with you.

>>150382434
Always blame execs, they’re the only fags who have faith in cheap stiffly animated shitcoms

>>150367697
Reminder that back during the golden theatrical age of animation stuff like Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry were geared towards adults.

Where did we go so wrong?

>>150382543
Yes it is retardation, retard

>>150382260
>Babylon era existed.
Yes. It happened after the industry started, not before as >>150378218 claims

>The only person suggesting they were of no value is you
I have never made the claim so maybe get your head out of your ass?

>>150384237
No, it's not, we been though this before.

>>150384786
>we’ve been through this before
>it’ll save your life one day
>debunked
>not the case

Famicom I’m tired of your retarded catchphrases

>>150382637
Is there any proof it was Weselley?

>>150385140
It sucks because he’s tarnishing the name of a pretty good console for its time period

>>150359866 (OP)
This but for modern books. It’s all women and calafornins

>Any mention of anime in a positive light causes the """schizos""" to come out.
lmao

>>150372616
That’s a cope now with spiderverse ans KPDH

>>150367697
Song of the South's animated sequences are some of funnest animation to ever come out of Disney. I really wish Disney did more stuff like it.

>>150385140
Normies say those things, they're not catchphrases.
>>150385351
Yes because he weas the show runner, he picked the studios.

>>150386828
I wish there was more concrete proof other than that so that you didn’t sound like a COMPLETE conspiracy theorist but alright

>>150387050
This isn't a conspiracy theorist, Animage brought it up in their Lupin III Part 6 coverage.

>conservatives spend decades demonizing education and the arts
Yeah I wonder why there aren't more conservative artists.

>>150359866 (OP)
every form of art and entertainment is dying. sorry anon.

music: ever since black people found hip hop and gave up the guitar, popular music has been in a death spiral. eventually everything will have been sampled, there will be nothing new, just rehashes of rehashes. there are no musicians anymore, just "producers" who exist to make hits

movies: speaking of which. ever since films starting mining comics for new ideas (itself mostly 80 year old intellectual properties by now) there's has been an increasing trend away from new ideas and risks. its all just rehashes, remakes, adaptations. when there are new movies of note theyre being made by and starring men in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s even. the best actors, directors and writers in holywood today have been carrying the artistic side of the industry since at least the 90s and sometimes the 70s in some causes.

games: its just this >>150359939 but they make a poorly programmed indie game, or suck and fuck their way into a job at some big company making art assets that some thirdie will smash into some piece of crap UE5 game that barely runs on a NASA super computer.

i neednt go on. there are no normal people getting into the arts anymore. its all kids that grew up weird and introverted, obsessed with popular culture and only capable of trying to make more of the same popular culture. its autistic kids watching minecraft youtube videos and copying the builds and scenarios but on an industrial scale and being smug about it.

>>150388071
Japan will like to have a word with you.

>>150366547
>Captura de pantalla 2025

>>150387594
They're denying it in the thread and blaming the industry for having "too much freedom" instead

>>150366590
I felt a lot better once I pretended MST3K stayed dead after the SciFi seasons. I didn't even care for the SciFi ones that much either (although years later I like quite a few of them now aside from the stupid live action bits with Pearl) but they're leagues better than what it is now.

>>150359866 (OP)
Post your art anon. I'm genuinely curious.

>>150359866 (OP)
>What ever happened to "cartoons being made by people from all walks of life"?
https://youtu.be/2toRG6kl6NU?t=6

>>150389675
He’s a “toonstudios productions” guy

>>150391068
This is queer gooning that because they exclude cartoony artists from animation communities that all they will be able to come up with is autistic imitation of childhood cartoons but actually, myself, I’ve been working on massive franchise ideas like a superhero universe since I was 15 as a John K student

Get fucked, you can’t do your lgbtq artist routine anymore without me ripping out its skeleton, leave the conversation

>>150391170
Show me your logo and edited DVD covers

>>150391197
Don’t worry folks lgbtq ruining a decade of cartoons was worth it because they got to masturbate to starving kids of creative and psychological development until they become disabled adults

>>150391170
omg are you okay? why are you talking like a bot saying random words that don't mean anything?

>>150391232
Do you like Kyle Carozza, is he a big influence on you?

>>150369719
No it has to do with a lack of casual violence
Social mobility gas always stemmed from people fighting harder than you would've expected and proving their value under the most extreme circumstances.
Waging extra hard isnt nearly equivalent in part because those who ascend to leadership positions in waging don't deserve the respect and another because it's much easier for them to invents copes as to why they shouldn't reward success.
If people could brawl on the street more without some nigger trying to turn it into a murder you'd see the fags fall to the position befitting their cowardice

>>150359866 (OP)
What doomer faggot. Take inspiration from a variety of sources. You're doing good. Keep it up, friend.

>>150386602
You know I always thought I was the only person who believed this. You'd sound like a crazy person trying to defend this movie's positive qualities, but the physical animation acting is a TON of fun.