Thread 150364894

Has any superhero been luckier than Spider-Man when it comes to their films? He’s been humiliated in comics, that terrible cartoon and his latest game, but as far as movies go, he’s escaped the dark age of superhero movies pretty much unscathed.

Everyone likes the Sam Raimi trilogy now (even 3), the Andrew Garfield movies were considered mediocre at the time but—like Thor 2 or Iron Man 2–are masterpieces by today’s standards of superhero movies. The animated movies aren’t my thing but they’re well-liked.

Then there’s Tom Holland, who has been probably the luckiest actor at Marvel. He started in Civil War, one of the best movies in the MCU alongside the previous CA film, then he got Homecoming, then he appeared in the Infinity War duology which was well received, and finally he got two post-Endgame films which were well-received, at least in comparison to the other slop Marvel was churning out when they were released.

Even the biggest missteps haven’t been any worse than “okay” or “mediocre”. Every other Marvel hero has had at least one absolute shitshow of a film that killed any excitement for the character. Nobody cares about Thor after “Love and Thunder” or Dr Strange after “Multiverse of Madness”.

Not to mention, the upcoming Spider-Man is the only Marvel product that has anyone excited, and that’s not from a trailer, but because of the behind the scenes shots on location where they literally have a stunt man swinging through the streets for real.

A blessing and a curse. They creatre a lot of misconceptions that end up making their way back into the character's perceptions and other adaptations. The Raimi movies really leaned in on Peter being an awkward nerd,the ASM movies leaned on Oscorp being behind everything, the MCU movies doubled down on him being an awkward nerd, emphasized the high school years,and made him reliant on a mentor.

>>150364894 (OP)
>the Andrew Garfield movies were considered mediocre at the time
Both are genuinely unwatchable

>>150365272
>>150364894 (OP)
>Garfield movies were considered mediocre at the time
They both suffered from being over-stuffed, the second way more so than the first, which is on Sony, especially on Arad but as well on Pascal, so the idea that she's was handed the keys to Bond is idiotic.

Arad is more hack than anything else. But worse, he's a talentless hack. At least, a hack with some talent like Kirkman, can come up with entertaining concepts and the occasional amusing and entertaining story arc. Arad is just storytime of pain tier hack.

>>150366773
Sony has no idea what good even is, it's really a shame I grew up on the ps1 and I fucking hate this company now.

Hot take: Tom Holland's films are underappreciated. Watched them recently and they surprisingly are solid films. No nostalgia factor like the Toby movies but they're much better than how people usually treat them.

>>150364894 (OP)
>Everyone likes Raimi trilogy
>now
>(even 3),

>>150366930
It was a great scene. Better than anything from the current MCU

>>150366976
I like this movie but no. This scene is shit, it's one of the worst scenes in the entire genre

>>150366930
>>150366976
>>150367796
My issue with 3 is it isn't the movie Raimi wanted to make and it shows. The original plan without Venom with Vulture instead sounded way more cohesive with the previous two films.

>>150365272
You must hate good girlfriend kino. Or teenagers with attitude kino.

>>150367796
What is wrong with that scene?

>>150364894 (OP)
>Webb movies
>Please don't fuck my daughter you are gonna get her killed
>Peter fucks his daughter the very next day
Pure garbage

>>150365167
>made him reliant on a mentor.
This is the one that bothers me the most

>>150364894 (OP)
>unscathed
I thought people hated TASM 1 at some point, especially the suit. TASM 2's suit was an immediate improvement, but the story was still lackluster.

>>150367796
It totally makes sense. The symbiote doesn't actually make Peter cooler, it just makes him act like his idea of a cool guy, and he's a total dork deep down, so why wouldn't his idea of a cool guy be totally cringy? I mean, whose example does he have to follow? Harry, Flash... that's about it.

>>150368565
>TASM 2's suit was an immediate improvement
Until Tom Holland's new suit at the end of No Way Home, it was still the best live action Spider-Man costume. They really nailed the Mark Bagley look in live-action with that one.

>>150368565
>TASM 2's suit was an immediate improvement
It was a copout due to the poor reception of TASM1's costume. They backpedaled hard on it and wound up just making a cheaper looking version of the Raimi suit. Which makes it worse than TASM1 suit because at least they were trying something with that. It's the worst live action Spider-man suit to date.

>>150368683
>the best live action Spider-Man costume.
>>150369439
>It's the worst live action Spider-man suit to date.
Lol

>>150368661
>The symbiote doesn't actually make Peter cooler
No, it makes him more aggressive.

Living costume Peter in the 90s show and Spider-Man 3 are a lot less cringe now by comparison to turbo edge gay shit like Web of Shadows and the second Insomniac game

>>150368565
I hated the Raimi suit when I was a kid. But now I think that it's the best one. The worst part is that the webs aren't black, but they still look nice

>>150370643
His build looks the best. The big Bagley eyes are cool but look better on a buff Spidey. Holland looks fine when he isn't cgi

Soul

>>150369497
and he is aggressively embarrassing. You're not supposed to like that your hero is getting contaminated, otherwise you'll wish he was still being eaten by the symbiote.

>>150364894 (OP)
>like Thor 2 or Iron Man 2
who seriously enjoys darkworld or iron man 2?

>>150366893
That's not a hot take. That is infact an ice cold take.

>>150372137
CGI ruined everything

>>150367840
I think I am one of those who likes 3 more than most, but yeah hearing about how it was suppose to be versus how it was is sad. The final product I believe is what Raimi did best with the mess he had to cobble up.

>>150366773
It's funny that people called those movies overstuffed back when they came out but nowadays that amount of stuffing is just the average MCI flick

>>150366976
>a great scene
Yes, nearly ever woman making cringe eyes and cringe faces at the tobester is definite "greatness"

>>150366992
if I don't hold presbyterians responsible for the stable genius (not that he cares about or ever practices any religion except for how it benefits him or is convenient, and in those cases, it tends to be evangelicals and southern baptists, etc.), and catholics won't be blamed for the previous old timer, no one can't fault his religion or nationality for the undeniable fact that Arad is pure and unadulterated no-talent hack

>>150373031
>nearly ever woman making cringe eyes and cringe faces at the tobester
That is what makes it great. People back then misinterpreted the scene

>>150374559
If it makes you happy, anon, that's great. I have no quarrel with that.
When Columbia was doing their anniversary thing, I had friends who wanted to see the second Tobester movie and I said fine, if we see TAMS1, which everyone was good with except for that one person that ended up going to the movies by himself, on principal.
No one wanted to re-watch any of the Holland movies.

I will admit the Tobey movies made the most money of those repeats and since they are about to re-release just those three, for a few random nights coming up soon, in a few theaters, we'll see. Taylor Swift made more fucking money in one week that the entire Sony Spider-Man re-watch. Fuck, for that matter, some one night only concert films did as well.

>>150364894 (OP)
>not-Mary Jane MJ is cucking current Iron-Spider-Boy because he got everyone mind wiped
>>150365272
>Both are genuinely unwatchable
They're the best Spider-Man movies we got. No Way Home was a better AM3 than it was Disney Spider-Man 3.

>>150372436
The same people also say that the 2000s Fantastic Four movies were bad. Or Afleck Daredevil(director's cut) being bad.
People had terrible taste in movies, and Disney's MCU slop was the perfect mix for them.
If you try to watch the Spider-Man movies as their own story, it doesn't even make sense. It's easily the worst attempt at Spider-Man, because you have to watch 3-5 other movies.
Captain America: Civil War
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
and maybe Iron Man 1 and Dr Strange 1.
Really takes the fun out of watching the Disney Spider-Man movies, when you have to watch at least 3 other movies to get his full story, and to properly understand IW/EG, lmao.
Garfield Spider-Man movies were a simplier time. I thought they did a great job of juggling all the plots.

>>150375720
Good thing, comics aren't like that :^)

>>150372137
When I first watched Spider-Man 2, I felt they made Doc Ock too sympathetic and the connection to Peter in his personal life felt unnecessary. Now that I've read a decent amount of Doctor Octopus stories from the first two decades of Spider-Man, I totally get it.

>>150375624
>They're the best Spider-Man movies we got.
Dude, please

>>150375624
>They're the best Spider-Man movies we got.
Read some pre-90's Spider-Man comics and get back to us on that.

>>150375835
You can read the majority of the 60s-80s without ever needing to pick up a non-Spider-Man title. It's only Secret Wars, where you had to read something else. And the 60s-80s is where the overwhelming majority of the stories that people think of as "Spider-Man" come from. If you're reading Spider-Man into the 90s, you don't have taste.
>>150375856
I grew up with the Toby Spider-Man movies, and you have to already be a Raimi fan, to enjoy the Peter/MJ "romance" plot or tolerate SM3.
AS/2 were way more consistent, while daring to do the Gwen Dies plot, which is super risky for a superhero story. Even if it's one of the classic Spider-Man moments. That's not what the average movie-goer wants.
>>150375889
>Read some pre-90's Spider-Man comics and get back to us on that.
I have. That's why I know that AS/2 are the best Spider-Man movies we're going to ever get. Read above.

>>150375843
It was hilarious when he dated Aunt May for a spell

The Garfield ones were trash don't let the fact that he was good in no way home cloud your memory
Far from home is also bad

>>150365272
It reeked of execs meddling but Garfield has a lot of charisma

>>150366976
it filtered millions because they couldn't understand a lifelong dork couldn't suddenly develop coolness. The nigsuit only removed every inhibition he had

>>150376351
Like Henry Cavill and Pierce Brosnan, he was the right guy for the part at the wrong time.

>>150376398
well put, they are the right names which come to mind for that. Even Affleck in my opinion

>>150375720
I'm the person that said that both TASM were over-stuffed. But you don't have to take my word for it, sweetie - some 90 people reviewed it, all over the planet (it's Spidey, after all), from Canadian newspapers, Indian ones, UK ones, South African ones, Brazilian ones, etc. etc.) - a uniform comment in all of them about TASMII was that it had 'too many villains' or 'too many plot complications,' etc.

Also, Silver Surfer was a BAD movie. And I liked every actor in those movies except for Alba.

>>150376289
Andrew will probably end up with two or more Oscars before he kicks it (or before everyone becomes extinct). Not that he'll win for something like TASM, but trash is far from what those movies were, even the fight scenes, since none were overstuffed like Raimi 3, were coherent and decent.

>>150372205
>Iron man 2
I really like Mickey Rourke

>>150364894 (OP)
>the Andrew Garfield movies were considered mediocre at the time but—like Thor 2 or Iron Man 2–are masterpieces by today’s standards of superhero movies
um....is this bait? Why are people responding to this like it's a real post? TASM movies were dogshit in comparison to Thor and Iron-Man 2 and they are still complete dogshit today