Thread 150407132

Where did all the comic book readers go?
I've seen almost no comic-related activity lately, aside from bottom-of-the-barrel webcomic trash. Anything I do see dies pretty quickly.
Where is everybody?

>>150407132 (OP)
They all died from type-2 diabetes, drug overdose, or they switched to manga and anime

>purge the half of your users that actually go to lcs on the weekly
>huh where did everybody go
Truly a shocking turn of events.

>>150407132 (OP)
Because modern comics are garbage. It's all woke, leftist crap designed to erode Western civilization.

>>150407132 (OP)
You can only be disappointed for so long before it turns into apathy.

I used to be a huge DC fan but between Didio, King and Bendis they managed to bulldoze whatever interest I had regained during the Rebirth era.
Why would I care about any DC character having a good run when I know the next writer could just completely ruin them?

And Marvel is just repetitive.
They kick Peter Parker.
They praise how great mutants are.
They have Doctor Doom take over the world and he is defeated again.
There are now 13494 Captain Americas, 34345983 Spider-People, 44905050323232 new mutants, 3442304934 new legacy heroes, etc, etc, etc.

I am reading a comic right now. Granted it is written by Alan Moore so I don't know if I could call it /co/ or even blue board material, but the proof is in the pudding. I just don't make threads cuz I'm lazy.

>>150407165
>. It's all woke, leftist crap designed to erode Western civilization.
That's what capeshit has been from day 1

>>150407178
>Why would I care about any DC character having a good run when I know the next writer could just completely ruin them?
Easy, just read writers/creators you like. It's really not that difficult. Don't be those fags that just endlessly buys Spider-Man despite Marvel shitting on the main book for nearly 20 years now.

>>150407180
>it is written by Alan Moore so I don't know if I could call it /co/
?

>>150407206
In that case I can more reliably find old runs with good writing than modern runs with good writing.

>>150407207
well Moore is a pretentious faggot so

>>150407165
Not really true plus there's still enough old stuff to last a lifetime

>>150407235
It's still a comic, you dunce.

The comics fandom is far too divided.
Some people
>only fuck with Marvel
>only fuck with DC
>only read new comics
>only read old comics
>only read superheroes; everything else is shit
>read everything but superheroes; superheroes are always shit
>only read European stuff; American comics are inferior
>only read American comics; European comics are degenerate and boring
>keep up with all the most popular stuff
>hate all the popular stuff
>read only to go through the motions
>read only the very best stuff
>read very few comics; manga are superior
>only bother with daily webcomics
>only bother with newspaper strips
>mostly follow licensed comics
and all the subdivisions that go with these.
There's room for all of this, but if there's only one of each, we'll never be able to have a discussion.

>>150407132 (OP)
In case you haven't noticed this board barely talks about anything that's not some combination of current and popular. You bring up webcomics but they've suffered the most on here to the point where it's virtually impossible to talk about them outside of a handful of titles. This board can barely even maintain storytime threads anymore.

>>150407165
>>150407250
I'm currently pulling
>Transformers
>Batman & Robin Year One
>Batman: Dark Patterns
>Savage Sword of Conan

Absolutely nothing in them is, by any stretch of the imagination, "woke". If anything, you should see it as a blessing that there's fewer "good" books you need to be looking into every month so you spend less money and can focus on only the genuinely good stuff, but no, you'll just be miserable, whine, shit and cry non-stop and drive yourself insane stewing in your own negativity.

>>150407324
Webcomics are mostly autistic or garbage.
The ones that make it here are unfunny relatable bait, coomer spam and kiwifaggotry.

>>150407328
>Batman: Dark Patterns
That one's not bad.

>>150407328
>Absolutely nothing in them is, by any stretch of the imagination, "woke".
The writers? DWJ, Waid, and Watters are all liberals with an incurable case of TDS. Waid literally wished that Trump would die during the assassination attempt a year ago. I don't know who the Conan writer is, but he's probably a leftist too.

>>150407811
That's not really the point anon.

>>150407132 (OP)
This board doesn’t reward or insensitive discussion of comics unless it’s outrage bait. Most people here don’t even read anything, they just endlessly whine about a comic panel they saw like eight years ago

>>150407178
Nothing is stopping you from reading comics that are not Marvel/DC

>>150407856
If you're picking and choosing what media you read, watch, etc based on the personal politics of the creators and think their politics need to align with yours at all times 100%, you're either a child or a retard. Their personal politics aren't reflected in these books at all, and if they were? I'd probably drop these books, just like I don't read books by trannies that will inevitably make the characters self-insert trannies.

Newsflash, retard: Stan Lee, George Lucas, Gene Roddenberry? All liberals, and I fucking know you've watched or read their work, so shut the fuck up.

>>150407915
All three of those guys would be blacklisted today, spare me your false equivalences.

>>150407132 (OP)
The reality is that the people in the 00s who were insisting they were saving comics from the 90s ended up damaging the comics industry moreso in the long-term and their actions led to the worst possible people steering the ship in the 2010s to lead into an industry propped up by variant cover collectors instead of readers and cheerled by fickle douchebag moral soapboxers who don't buy comics while getting attacked by fickle douchebag moral soapboxers on the opposite end of the political spectrum who also don't buy comics

>>150407954
Blacklisted by whom?

>>150407317
well...this should make us strong.

I used to be incredibly active in these boards back during the Blackest Night event days. Made content and memes, translated foreign comics, watched all cartoons that were discussed around here, saw the horse fandom get their own boards...

After that, following cartoons became boring and all the comics I followed got rebooted and reset, with all of my favorite developments wiped away. So I left and check this board from time to time. This is the first thread I've opened in weeks.

>>150407184
Stfu trannyfaggot

>>150407132 (OP)
Active long-term readers are all 30+, quality is in the shitter, the most vocal readers either consoom A-listerslop (and complain that it's bad) or DEIslop (and complain there's not enough).

Also, movie shitflinging between shills, fake fans, and anti-shills made me drop the scene for a while.

The fact Invincible got more discussion here when its adaptation dropped than when it was actually releasing as a comic should tell you all you need to know

>>150407324
>>150409591
You can talk about a random old ass cartoon but you cant really talk about an old comic unless its super popular. Like I dont even want to talk about obscure shit I wanted to talk about Hitman or The Maxx and its crickets

Zoomers on twitter and Tiktok have been reading more comics. A recent trend is worshipping Justice League International and especially Booster Gold

/co/ has always been at the mercy of mostly cartoonfags but its gotten worse over the years.

Comics has always taken a backseat on this board, but you used to be able to talk about good shit at least. Now the only comics discourse people engage with are the ones people hate-read or read about vicariously through whatever virgin grifter is popular that month on YouTube. Storytimes barely hang by a thread, and they used to be the bread and butter here.

It's a problem that's systemic to this site in general though and not just isolated to /co/. You try to generate genuine discussion but it goes nowhere, and there's only so many times you can try to muster it before any enthusiasm to engage with this site's userbase completely dries up. You can be the change you want to see, but the infrastructure needs to change to facilitate it in the first place.

>>150407165
Loser

>>150407132 (OP)
Most of them were aging boomers and gen xers with bad health so they're literally dying off.

>>150409573
/thread

>>150408965
The problem is these are mostly at odds with each other.

>>150407132 (OP)
I think it's best to stay away from this place. The cartoonshit on this board is concentrated AIDS.

>>150407132 (OP)
Kind of sad YouTube is starting to do a better job at introductiong people to comics than /co/

>>150407132 (OP)
Vast majority of comics are shit some the dumbest shit I've ever seen has come from comic pages people posted here, and no I don't even mean woke comic pages or shit like that.

>>150407132 (OP)
OP you remember 15 years ago when I was saying comics would effectively be just reprint by 2030 and you guys were saying nah naaah NAAAAAH because you're idiots?

and then you all died of being 55 then and 70 now because stan love 'em, comic book guys are not the healthiest-living people in the world?

turns out time is a straight line and then you die

comic book publishers haven't done enough to attract younger readers, they've pandered to idiots, pandered to creatives who just wanted to smear canon on the walls like it was their own excrement, and for a very long time the youngest people working in the industry have been in their 40s

so what's happening is the old guys can't create anything that appeals to the young people, there's a generational disconnect because they're not even able to communicate with their own relatives and find out what would interest younger people in comics, and the fanbase has shrunk as older readers die off or - best case scenario - do middle-aged things that cost money like having kids, or get caught up in the ongoing wealth/earnings/cost of living crises since 2008 and have no spare money for comic books

at this stage you probably can't save the medium because next to nobody buys them, almost no retailers carry them and those that do are so reliant on the DC/Image/Marvel stuff they'll go under when any one of those three goes under or cuts its line, and the only way to reach a wider audience (assuming you had stories and art that interested them at a price point they cared for) would be to get into major retailers while they're even still selling magazines (like supermarkets) but that means cutting the line to next to nothing - no more 50-issue months from any publisher - which means those that do go into general retail have to sell incredibly well

The average /co/ user has always been a cartoonfag with a willingness to engage in comics that were recommended/storytimed. The gradual captchafication of the site (especially the massive first-post timers) largely killed off storytiming, which meant the average user was no longer keeping up on current runs, which meant comics-based activity dropped off, which leaves us here.

>150411679
>comic book publishers haven't done enough to attract younger readers

Ever considered that younger readers just don’t care about reading comics? You can’t attract an audience that isn’t interested

>>150411788
Isolating comics and their related advertising material to small independent stores and obscure mail order services is not how you grow a customer base. How do you expect kids to discover comics when the industry refuses to actually market books to the general public?

>>150407132 (OP)
>Where did all the comic book readers go?
I'm busy reading comics

>>150411788
You're confusing cause and effect
The Big Two killed kid comics AND teen comics to chase hair-dyeing 30 year olds and social rejects who gotta have my Batman
The lack of things to appeal to younger generations drove younger readers away, and the comics industry doubled down on chasing the boomer and millennial audiences

>>150412120
You have fucking amazing just couple of taps away on your phone. Comic are sold at book stores. Your argument is nonsense. The direct market was terrible model and nobody buys print magazines at stores anymore, they’ve shrunk to a pea size from their heyday

>>150412181
Pray tell, what do modern young readers want that they can’t get from comice anymore? Be very specific

>>150407132 (OP)
They read manga now.

>>150411009
Fag

>>150412200
>You have fucking amazon just couple of taps away on your phone
Are you retarded?
>Comic are sold at book stores
Big book stores dont carry ongoings, and depending on the store they can have also zero selection outside of stuff like Watchmen, or DKR. Also, again there's zero advertising for new books.

>>150412120
I've noticed Marvel has recently started uploading a few comics to Webtoon, which kids do seem to read. Recently Marvel Star Wars comics and the terrible Zeb Wells Spider-Man are on the site, with heavily edited paneling to fit the format.
I do think they need to do a more conceited effort with it though. No one's gonna read Zeb Wells and want to continue reading comics. They should really add the first several issues of well known comics, like Ditko's run or USM. Add some Hulk, IDW Transformers, Batman, Teen Titans, etc. Marvel & DC should make good comics readily accessible to establish new readers.
It might not work since most webtoon readers are teenage girls, but I could see it attracting more dudes to webtoon.

>>150412209
>hot women
>good fights
>stories that aren't virtuesignalling or lazy callbacks
You know, the stuff manga has

>>150412243
>Big book stores dont carry ongoings

They carry trades. Who in the year 2025 buts single issues if they want to get to comics

>>150408018
You don't remember when Andrew Garfield tried to make Spider-Man bisexual, and it made Stan Lee actively uncomfortable? I'm not denying Stan Lee was liberal, but there were some paths he didn't want to go down.

>>150412397
>I don’t read comics

Thanks for playing

>>150412367
>They should add 60+ years old comics that look and read clunky. That’s what will get kids excited!

>>150411009
You need to read more books and watch more tv shows, they actually outdo comics in terms of generating bad stories

>>150412436
>redditspacing non-sequitur
I accept your concession, fag.

>>150412425
And Stan Lee was blacklisted for that? Oh right he wasn’t. Shut the fuck up, you dumbass.

>>150407138
Fpbp

>>150412436
nta but what western comic has good fight choreography, it's actually baffling how little focus on the fights capeshit comics actually have.

>>150409293
That's it? That's all? You didn't flood the thread with images of Superman hucking a pig at an islamic foe or dressing up in yellowface?
God, even the /pol/lacks have lot their edge. Fucking pitiful.

>>150407165
True

>>150412397
>>hot women
>>good fights
Batman has those...

I kinda stopped reading comic books for a while and then lost track of places to pirate them from. The only thing on the trackers I use outside of some super popular old stuff is maybe weekly releases and I can't be arsed compiling that to catch up.

The main problem is that comics have too much freedom compared to manga. As a reader of both when someone reccomends you a manga you always go with the first volume, can't go wrong with that, it's piss easy and comfortable enough for most of us. With comics it's different, there isn't a starting point so you either vibe with it and pick whatever you want as your first read, ask for reccomendations of your favorite hero stories or just give up. It's not as standardized so most people just don't bother.

>>150407132 (OP)
>Where did all the comic book readers go?
They stopped posting shit after the 15 thread they made to talk about recent releases or classics fucking died. Go take a look at /lit/ to see how they handle that kind of shit.

>>150411679
Comics are dead, long live the webcomics.

>>150412702
Webcomics are dead.

>>150412582
Reading a story from the big two often feels like untangling wires or missing out on some important context behind a storyline.

>>150412781
Nuh-Uh.
Memes aside, they're just niche and will stay like that for the foreseeable future.

>>150412814
Skill issue

we are still here, we are reading old comicbooks.

>>150412922
Yes, and?

>>150407132 (OP)
We did no gatekeeping and let the woke faggots in who had their fun with destroying everything, and now it's dead.

>>150407132 (OP)
The audience of adults actively reading comics has been shrinking for decades and nobody's really done anything to successfully reverse it.

I still read comics but so many are trash these days you’re better off forgetting the medium exists
It isn’t surprising that anime and manga dominates when comics will have the hero getting cucked and shat on for years and no one in their right state of mind would want to read about that

>>150412414
You really have no idea what we're even talking about do you?

>>150407132 (OP)
People just aren't excited about comics anymore/ /co/ is to blame for it too.

>>150407178
This I used to buy 40-50 comic books a month. I was excited to read every one. They slowly got worse and worse and I was routinely told comics were no longer "for me" so I stopped buying stuff & now I'm down to 2 books a month & that's probably too many because I haven't even read one of em in months.

>>150407132 (OP)
its not wednesday

>>150407132 (OP)
They're right here OP. Use the catalog.
>>150400786
>>150406227
>>150402105
There's some here.
>>150402372
>>150406629
>>150410831
Some here as well.
>>150411122
>>150408869
>>150343402
And here too.

Two years before the relaunch in the 80s, Batman had been selling around 75,000 issues a month, which was an all time low. When Batman Year One launched it sold on average 193,000 per issue, numbers which hadn't been seen since the early 1970s. Absolute Batman #1 from 2024 sold around 400,000 issues, but this is split between multiple print runs (although to be fair the first print run was like 250,000), subsequent issues also had multiple print runs.

Now what is the point of this comparison? I am not making a direct comparison here, there are a lot of variables, Absolute Batman is obviously a #1 issue with a bunch of hype built up around it so as a direct comparison it isn't great but looking at the numbers and you can weirdly see that comic books have always kind of been a more niche form of print media with peaks, troughs and cycles. Comic books by and large are seen as a disposable form of entertainment, mostly connected to superheroes. Best selling comic books have always been seen in the numbers of hundreds of thousands with the best selling books hitting a million and over. Less selling books in the realm of the tens of thousands. The comic book store market is just still surviving for a large part of the western market. Comics in book market or YA market can sell very well or at least proportionally to what they want to do.

Most people will focus on bad storylines or culture wars but you can still find some good titles. The simple issue is: too much entertainment competition. Why read a comic when you can play a video game or listen to a podcast or watch streaming? Comic books come with a bunch of caveats, where to buy, how to get into them and whilst these caveats are not practically hard to get over, the perception of them puts new people off significantly. Comic books have a level of cultural baggage which manga does not. Ultimately, a lot of people are just not interested in the medium so it remains a niche.

>>150407132 (OP)
There's more comic threads on the board today than there have been in a long time, even excluding the non-exclusive threads.

>>150413693
>When Batman Year One launched it sold on average 193,000 per issue,
And you could buy it from a spinning rack in the corner drugstore. Which is how young me discovered it and fell in love with comics that offered more than Archie and Richie Rich. How come comics got so hard to find these days? I never see them in stores any more.

>>150413637
That's nothing, and I've been keeping a few of those alive today.
>>150413985
No.

>>150407132 (OP)
Don't look at me, I've been storytiming regularly

>>150415078
Thank you for your service

>>150415078
Do you storytime different titles in the same thread? Do you storytime comics you think are great?

>>150412474
Because you fags have gotten boring.

>>150414182
It cost a lot to distribute them to grocery stores/newsstands/etc. First you'd need to get a newsstand distributor (not Diamond) and have to make sure you get a spot in the magazine rack or grocery rack or whatever. You're not only competing with other comics you're also competing with other magazines
A publisher would have to deal with grocery store/newsstand/etc sellers not caring about the condition of the book and also have to deal with returns
That's why the direct market was ideal for them, because direct market retailers usually don't return stuff (unless Marvel and DC themselves give the option to).

>>150407132 (OP)
I'm here.
I even posted in a comic thread today. I think I'm put off by a lot of the threads because they start off with some sort of negative assertion instead of asking for opinions or starting a conversation.

>>150414182
>Comics used to be distributed locally to the newsmarket.
>Individual newsstands and shops did not have stable orders as they were often dictated by the local distribution hub.
>Comics were seen as low profit margin print media.
>Unsold comics were not returned due to this, just covers removed and sent back to the publishers and eventually not even covers sent back just affidavits signed.
>Unstable ordering system meant newsstands would not reliably have your book.
>Newsstands began illegally reselling unsold copies which meant that the publishers were losing out on profits.
>Sales figures also massively played into future print runs so unsold copies being resold influenced future print runs.
>Newsstand market began to decline.
>First direct market was created.
>Books were sold to speciality shops with bulk purchases offering discounts.
>Shops couldn't return the unsold copies so had to be more prudent with ordering and ordering amounts had incentives.
>Publishers said it saved comics.
>First direct market was stopped because it was seen as a monopoly.
>By mid 80s the direct market was the dominant force in comics.
>Numerous distribution companies.
>In the 90s the bubble happened, companies bought distribution companies, huge unsustainable growth and the bubble burst.
>Something like 50% of the shops shut down.
>Diamond ended up as the only real distributor left, it was a monopoly but as it was propping up the industry it carried on.
>Bookstore market began to build.
>When covid happened Diamond began to lose its monopoly and is now dead.
The problem is the casual newsstand market was an unreliable business model and the direct market allowed the expansion of the comics in the 80s/90s in allowing them to offer a lot more and a lot different things. It is hard to say it was good or bad because some things wouldn't exist without it but then it did contribute to things like the bubble.

>>150415709
>Do you storytime different titles in the same thread?
No
>Do you storytime comics you think are great?
I storytime comics I enjoy and think Anons would enjoy as well

>>150416877
Good man.

>>150407138
>>150412469
Virulent samefag

>>150413533
>40-50 comic books a month
How the fuck? As far as I've read, comics have been mostly bad all throughout history.

>>150407132 (OP)
The thing is when I do spend the time making, curating, and babysitting threads, I have no time for anything else. Then if your threads die while you sleep, it becomes totally meaningless.
You need a lot of people putting in a little bit (not realistic), or a few people putting in a lot (not ideal), or you need a slower board away from as much of the problem (cartoons) as possible.

The post timer and captchas, combined with the rise of sites that let you read comics online, have destroyed the storytime.
Cartoon slop threads with shitty coomer art and ai spam push out quality /co/nversation.

>>150407132 (OP)
They went to buy shaved ice.

>>150407132 (OP)
who cares

>>150407138
holy based

>Enjoy X men
>They made the X men into NotInhuman who live on orgy island and everyone talks like they are in a cult for some reason
>Dropped
>Enjoy Spider man
>They made Spider man into some absolutely retard that keep getting his shit pushed also his protege is a black guy who can summon black laser sword but he is still a "spider" for some reason
>Dropped
>Enjoy Venom
>They made him into some kinda Chinese knock off Kang and elevate him to be a NotBeyonder for some reason
>Symbiotes can operate independently without host now though not as "comfortable"
>Dropped

I can't fucking deal with this shit man

>>150407132 (OP)
>Where did all the comic book readers go
Those that haven’t hanged themselves have swapped to manga.

>>150419806
The western comic industry is inhabited almost solely by spiteful retards that hate what they do, themselves, and comics

>>150419822
don't forget each other
most of the time it's
>oh the previous writer did some cool stuff that developed the character/changed status quo?
>not on my watch, time to undo everything they did
and that's if the original writer doesn't destroy their own run themselves before leaving to other projects

>>150419847
What the fuck is wrong with them? Do only the most unstable autistic faggots get hired to do shit or are those the only people that make comics? Because I cannot fathom being that petty, that arrogant, or that spiteful on a regular basis. The energy input alone would leave me fucking exhausted most of the time.

>>150419822
The people who make comics cherish them way more than people like you who seem to just want to whine and hate everything. Being a bitchy asshole doesn’t make you a realer fan, it makes you an obnoxious moron

>>150407132 (OP)
Times change and over time less people turned to this medium. It's not too surprising. I mean, when was the last time you read a book book? I've been trying to get back into comics lately. Reading in general really. Started the Absolute line and have so far enjoyed the dumb of it. Been meaning to then go and try Dredd for once and see what I was missing. Noticed there are a couple threads for Absolute Batman at least which have been fun.

>>150420012
>I mean, when was the last time you read a book book?

Just last week I read a memoir and I’m now going through Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

>>150407132 (OP)
I feel like when people post about dumb superhero comics I can already sense they are over 25 and slowly pushing into that not understanding and hating everything the youth does territory, and that's you with webcomics
>Where is everybody?
Reading the webcomics you hate

Comics should have their own board.

Also comics died with Alfred, Tom King killed comics.

>>150420210
>comics died because… Alfred died again

I only got into seriously reading comics 3 years ago. Reading a bunch of old Marvel runs right now, currently on Michelinie's Iron Man; it's very fun. In general, I really like his writing style from what I've seen of 90s Spider-Man comics too - he can sell you on serious scenes, but just as often he's got a sense of humor that's really corny in the best way. Does anybody else here like him? I feel his name doesn't get brought up that often nowadays.

I try modern comics now and then, it's mostly not for me. World's Finest and North's Fantastic Four are perfect for me, but on the flipside I think the 6160 Ultimate titles are all lacking the "cool" factor of 1610, and I really dislike Skybound's TF as a fan of nearly all the other Transformers comic runs.
Been slowly catching up on GI Joe ARAH and find it really fun, are Hama's modern issues for it still good?

>>150420404
Modern GI Joe does shit like turning half of Cobra into zombies and there’s a third faction of cyborg AI ninjas mucking about, all which that can turn off people

>>150420471
I don't really have a lifelong attachment to whatever the status quo was at any period, I didn't grow up with GIJ, so stuff like that just sounds like good ol' cheesy fun to me; dunno.
Plus like, as a TF fan I loved it because of how much it reinvented itself constantly in its first 30 years (and as a childhood Bionicle fan, that shit drastically changed the status quo every year), so I appreciate when things do bold changes if the end result is at least entertaining.

>>150407132 (OP)
>BatCat hyped up for 2+ years by DC with gimmicks like wedding invitations those going to LCS' only for Tom King to do a rugpull as a giant middle finger pissed a lot fans off and LCS' were pretty pissed, too due to the NYT article spoiling the bait-and-switch early enough that customers could demand refunds for their pre-orders and burned a lot of reader trust
>Amazing Spider-Man has been pure misery porn for the past 3-4 years and Zeb Wells has only failed upwards in penning the MCU Marvel Zombies cartoon after turning Peter in a whiny manchild/cuckold/vengeful incel through his inconsistent characterization while MJ married Paul and aged to become 3 years older than Peter according to ASM #25 (2022) before Nick Lowe backtracked and claimed the married phrasing was due to (deliberate) skimming before the issue went to print in a holiday rush and when a fan pointed out the new age gap he quickly "clarified" it only FELT like 4 years for MJ and Paul while Peter was thrashed by a geriatric Vulture and pathetically begged the murderer of his first love, first child with MJ and who buried his aunt alive and hired an actress imposter to replace her to save him and his 'redemption' sucks compared to Otto because his sins were just exorcised from him via magic shotgun instead of having any natural character growth to make the progression feel earned and then Peter was brutally killed over half a dozen times in Joe Kelly's "The Eight Deaths of Spider-Man" and had him job (again) to an OC Donut Steel new villain Hellgate which is ANOtHER mystery box bullshit after the mess from the last run caused by one is still ongoing and now he is in space and eating rats/
>MJ is a raging cunt who considers Peter and asshole because the "What did Peter do?" mystery box went nowhere and all he did was save her, trashed him in her BlackCat/Jackpot spin-off and unlike Peter to this day hasn't apologized for her shitty behavior equating Uncle Ben's death to Paul's Ominicide.

>>150407180
Is this a graphic novel adaptation of the Shape of Water or something?

Also, what do you mean Alan Moore works aren't /co/ related? He made The Killing Joke, Watchmen, The League of Extraordinary Gentlement and this image also appears to be a comic book/graphic novel and that, by definition falls within this board's purpose so I am genuinely baffled as to why you think otherwise?

>>150410332
Marvel Editorial/BND braintrust are literally Gen Xers and they also seem to be surviving just fine even if Slott and Brevoort are overweight and likely have cardiovascular issues from lack of physical activity in fact the latter has been ragebaiting and sperging out over USM every few months on his substack.

>>150409611
> A recent trend is worshipping Justice League International and especially Booster Gold
You say that like it’s a bad thing

>>150407132 (OP)
Zeb Wells, Tom Brevoort, and Nick Lowe need to kill themselves.

>>150420637
It’s honestly insane that they have MJ screeching about how much she hates Peter and doesn’t love him because he ruined her life and all he did was save her from the hell dimension
What the fuck, Marvel

>>150407180
BASED fish/cult rape enjoyer.

>>150420652
Nah, it's Neonomicon and these days comics are too neutered to be like it anymore. It's not even a woke/DEI thing. It's just provocative, experimental and raw in a way current output can't recapture.

>>150421675
At this point Peter is better off with MJ. Frankly she and Paul deserve each other.

>>150421675
>>150421780
*without MJ

>>150409611
Also /co/ needs to accept that DCAU won a long time ago.

>>150420012
>I mean, when was the last time you read a book book?
I finished one last week. About to start another.

>>150419965
Because comics don't make money. Everyone wants a movie deal, that is why they try the most outrageous shit, the most rage inducing, the most "reinvent the wheel" shit and try to become the new status quo. You name it: black Spider man, Magneto is right, Cyclop is right, Xmen is right, gay Super man, Black bolt got cucked , Joker Batman, black Aqua man, black gay Superman, Black panther cucks Reed, Doom cucks Reed, the Thing cucks Reed, alternate Reed cucks Reed, so and so and so and so

>>150407132 (OP)
Right 'ere.

>>150407132 (OP)
is that Paul Gulacy's art?

>>150407324
Webcomic discussion here got fucked hard by mods playing favorites and banning half of them while allowing specific ones to stay and keep being discussed.
You cannot with a straight face tell me that anyone here is seriously discussing Questionable Content, yet it gets new threads that are allowed to naturally archive every time the comic updates.

>>150407132 (OP)
There's only so many times you can talk about the same handful of good titles with the same handful of people who read them before you run out of things to say

>>150409591
Invincible always had a following on /co/
It's where Murderman memes come from
That said, yeah it checks out why an animated adaptation during a drought of popular cartoons would lead to Invincible getting a resurgence

>>150409611
>always

>>150420012
> I mean, when was the last time you read a book book?
I've read four in the last two weeks and I'm into two more right now.

>>150425141
Any good ones?

>>150413204
>a vaster variety of adult comics that aren't just R-rated superhero fare of memoirs
Lol

>>150411768
>The gradual captchafication of the site (especially the massive first-post timers) largely killed off storytiming, which meant the average user was no longer keeping up on current runs,
This, right here, is actually one of the biggest and most under-discussed issues at play.

>>150425350
Please name 10 manga like Brain//War. I wanna read that shit.
The premise sounds more like a 2000s Vertigo or WildStorm comic (like Ex Machina, Wildcats 3.0, or The Winter Men) even though that seems to be what the image is making fun of.

>>150407184
No. It was fairly apolitical outside of WWII propaganda and any other similar case.

>>150425557
I think sounds more like one of the fake manga from Bakuman rather than anything that was actually made

>>150407132 (OP)
People don't read, anon.

>>150426047
Fuck...

>>150407132 (OP)
I just lost the spark to keep up anymore. Big 2 comics for the past decade+ have been this gordian knot of trying to course correct, authors wanting to make a mark, go back to basics, write for trades, and have constant events with a bunch of tie-ins without any good enough writing to back it up. Even the standout runs haven't been good enough to justify staying up to date.

>>150427362
I've never kept up and I'm still reading comics constantly.

>>150427778
Same, I stopped reading monthly floppies in the mid-00's and started reading them again just a few years ago (primarily because of Skybound Transformers), I don't feel compelled to go back since all I'm missing from Marvel is shit maxi series like Civil War and House of M, and DC would've been New52 and Rebirth, which seems like a waste at this point. Happy to jump back in with Absolute and a few mini series that seem interesting as they crop up (like Batman Dark Patterns).

>>150427270
False.

>>150407132 (OP)
I quit comics for almost 20 years thanks to Dan Didio's bullshit. Only very recently began checking out some things again.

>>150407235
>/co/ has to be shit
>Alan Moore is a pretentious faggot (shit)
>Alan Moore is /co/

>>150413204
this bitch draws real cute, i bought some of her zines

>>150407165
>>150407856
>letting politics get in the way of enjoying comics
Normie thinking.

>>150407132 (OP)
Died of old age.

>>150407862
>This board doesn’t reward or insensitive discussion of comics unless it’s outrage bait.
To be fair, neither do the comics themselves.

>>150407132 (OP)
I'm lurking, waiting to see if there's anything good. I'll post intermittenly, sometimes when there's discussion about older comics or older comic creators.
And for the past 5 or even 10 years, there's rarely been anything that interests me. Most of my purchases since then were influenced by Cartoonist Kayfabe, so most of what i've bought was old shit, but now they're gone and i buy less shit now.

Haven't posted a haul in a long time, so here's some shit i bought at SDCC last year.

>>150429242
On that note, where the fuck is the /SHELF/ thread?

as if there was ever a truly appreciable demographic of "comic readers" to begin with, unless you're counting garfield.

>>150429375
Comic strips were huge until just 20 years ago, the death of print media has killed the newspaper comic strip. The last big breakout was probably The Boondocks.

>>150407132 (OP)
I'm convinced anyone still posting about comics is fake. The spider man threads are 100% artificial, probably some of the creators themselves post about it here to try and drum up any kind of engagement - even hatred.

>>150429401
Vintage storytime threads are legit

>>150429384
huge is extremely relative. at the hey day of comic readership (floppy comics not newspapers) you could maybe count comic readers in the millions, but more likely the hundreds of thousands. how superheroes ever entered the mainstream media via movies and saw success eventually I will never understand.

>>150407235
>>150428974
I miss Alan Moore.

>>150429401
comic fans want to talk about anything, as long as its interesting for them, dude.

So if they're huge spiderman fans, of course they're going to be posting about it, even if their enthusiasm is fake. Fanboys gonna fanboy.

I honestly hate a lot of shit that's currently going on (I'm >>150429242 ) but it's the type of hate that makes me lose interest. I don't have the energy, muchless the knowledge, to type about whatever shit they're producing.

so i lurk and wait.


Here's some stuff i got at Wondercon this year by Violaine Brait. She went to San Diego Comic Con this year to show off a short at the Cartoon Network panel for the new Cartoon Cartoons show.
Her stuff used to be posted here a long time ago, but I'm not really sure if it was for these Rodney comics or what. Very vague memories.

Good comic threads get knocked off the board extremely easily.

>>150429273
they dont like making too many threads

>>150429472
I know you're talking about Alan Moore in comics, but he's done quite a few interviews on YouTube lately about mysticism if you want to just hear him wax poetic about arcane magic for a bit:
https://youtu.be/xN5cabY6bgU?si=ywJ_HBJEKmSllz38

im someone who usually reads manga but i got the first volume of absolute batman and when i tried to buy single issues after that it seems fucking impossible to find anyone actually selling them in australia except for markups on variants

>>150431759
Most comic stores will keep the last few months of issues on the rack in a stack. Check a couple stores for that.

>>150431764
i ended up calling one and they had a few laying around still, but they are an hour drive from me and the closest because theres no actual lcs near me
meanwhile every book store near me sells a LOT of manga, it really feels like DC doesnt even bother selling anywhere

>>150428912
It's not any better.

>>150429681
I hate cartoons.

If I retired from storytiming next year would you hold it against me?

>>150431791
It's 100% the problem of relying on the direct market for distribution, it's a long and complicated history, but essentially what happened was comic books used to be found everywhere (drug stores, newsstands, etc), but then the newspaper syndicates who handled distribution started imposing draconian rules on which books they would order as well as how many books publishers were allowed to create in a year, regardless of actual book sales. To work around these distribution rules imposed on the industry, the direct market was formed for publishers to sell books directly to customers through comic book stores to circumvent the newspaper distributors.

Ultimately though, between the speculator market imploding in the 90's, as well as major distributors for the direct market like Diamond going bankrupt, the direct market isn't a viable option for distribution anymore, either. DC has already switched to alternate distribution and has more control over it than they would have under Diamond, but of course that focus is more on North America than outside of it, and changes in other regions (like in your case, Australia), will take time or local distributors willing to order and distribute books on DC's behalf.

>>150432572
Then maybe you should support more comics then, so artists like Briat can produce more comics instead of cartoons.

Also, was this comic or character ever popular on /co/?

Comic book distribution is no longer effective. There are three core methods to reading comics legally:
1) A mail-order subscription service.
2) An online subscription service
3) Specialty shops.

These days, most people don't really want a physical mail-order subscription service, so the most common and practical way to read comics is through online. Specialty shops are limited by areas; there isn't necessarily gonna be a comic book store near where you live, and they're a diminishing breed to begin with. All three are kinda shit. There's also more traditional book stores like Barnes and Noble, but most of the comics you can find in those are gonna primarily be omnibuses with an extremely limited selection of monthly serials.

Point is comic distribution sucks, only collectors and fanatics really bother with it and there's a relatively high rate of piracy among casual readers.

>>150431791
Why don’t you just buy trades online like a normal person

>>150429472
I don't. Maybe when he finally dies the watchmen slop will cease.

>>150432912
I don't care about or read Watchmen shit that isn't his.

>>150432951
I know and I shouldn't care but Watchmen is special to me. Every strike against it hurts my soul, and when Moore abandoned the IP I understood, but I still lost respect for him a little. I think he should have fought harder against DC to keep watchmen, although I understand why he gave up. But him losing the plot with Rorschach made me hate him. He abandoned his baby, then spit on its corpse afterwards.

>>150407132 (OP)
I ated them

>>150409611
>A recent trend is worshipping Justice League International and especially Booster Gold
/co/'s threads about JLI in the 00s are part of the reason why i restarted collecting comics again after i gave up in the mid-90s.

JLI has been praised and hyped since practically forever, unless there's some extra fuckery going on twitter and tiktok

>>150432671
I don't see much of a future of the direct market and floppies. I mean Superheroes seem to have outgrown the media that spawn them.

>>150407132 (OP)
Reddit, probably.

>>150421786
>*without MJ
Freudian slip fix rejected, ragebait shill.

>>150434261
Nobody does, both the Big Two would be smart to transition their business model to graphic novel formats sold in bookstores and digitally, but they don't have the guts to do it without pissing off their shrinking specialty stores and audience that habitually pick up their pull list, bag and board them, then file them away. DC is in a better spot than Marvel, since at least DC understands how important to their business the book market is and has been, but Marvel's cooked ever since they dropped doing graphic novel exclusives and just farm everything else out to Abrams. They're just proving to the parent company how ultimately obsolete they actually are.

>>150434162
I want to read it soon. I really hope it's good. Can't trust anyone when it comes to comics.

>>150432912
O, sweet summer child.

BP

>>150437675
Black Panther? British Petroleum?

>>150437872
Balls Penis

>>150407324
>This board can barely even maintain storytime threads anymore.
I've been storytiming a webcomic for the past week and I've been worried about my thread dying before I finish posting all the pages

>>150407132 (OP)
I've been working my way through late 80s Spider-man lately and having fun though I'm aware that I'm coming up on the infamous clone saga and all the fuckery that's apparently about.

>>150435594
I know DC and Marvel have been trying webtoons for some time.

I know there there are webtoon versions of Guardians of the Galaxy and the Batman Family. I can't say well they did but I know they exist.

>>150437872
Bpd

>>150441295
Oh. Bipolar Disorder.

>>150439433
Which one?

>>150442071
Wilde life! >>150437945 I barely got every page posted this time before the thread died so I fear as chapters get longer I might get cut short.

>>150442607
I thought it was furfag shit, so I didn't bump it.

>>150443362
lmao goddammit it's not by the way aside from one of the characters being a werewolf but I don't think that'd fall under furfag shit more so normal supernatural

>>150434162
>>150435950
comic twitter unironically shares 95% of the same opinions as /co/

>>150443503
My bad.

/co/ back in the day radicalized me into not liking JLI because they'd never shut the fuck up about how good it was

Give me storytime suggestions
No capeshit
No licenseshit
Nothing past 300 pages
Preferably no nudity so I don't have to comb through the pages to censor it to be blue board appropriate
I promise NOTHING

>>150443785
8 Billion Genies

>No capeshit
This isn't capeshit
>No licenseshit
It's original
>Nothing past 300 pages
Less than 300 pages
>Preferably no nudity so I don't have to comb through the pages to censor it to be blue board appropriate
No nudity

>>150443948
Someone already storytimed it when it was coming out

>>150443955
Dammit hmm how about Reload from 2003 it's even topical

>>150443537
that makes sense

>>150443948
This sucked.

>>150420012
More people read books than comics

>>150407132 (OP)
I stopped reading comics. Nothing personal, I just can't (financially) keep up with the hobby anymore. Gotta save money for the coming crash

>>150425557
Ghost in the Shell is the closest thing I can think of. Specifically the manga, I haven't seen the anime.

Ehh, I'm still around, kinda, but I don't really have the same taste as most of /co/ when it comes to comics, and the comics that I originally read and really liked when I first started posting here circa 2010 were either one-offs or part of series that take forever to release.
As such, I don't really browse most comic threads, I'm mainly interested in weird shit about freaks (actual freaks, not just boring women and autists who think they're interesting because they're queer), and that kind of stuff doesn't get a lot of new content these days because the modern comic industry doesn't really have the stomach or interest in most of that kind of stuff.

My favorite characters have been relentlessly raped by the writers since the 90s and most of my other favorites are either too niche to carry discussion or also being raped (just less severely)

not much reason to post when the thread will either devolve into bemoaning the sodomized corpse or longing for the times when it was alive

>>150446937
Read for free.

Stop bumping faggot

>>150443785
Camelot 3000

>>150448402
Huh?

>>150448250
This is why you don't read comics for the characters.

>>150407132 (OP)
why would anyone read modern comics and talk about them?

>>150450416
Why do they have to be modern?

>>150450569
because people tend to prefer discussing new things.

I do read comics buts it on a binge once per week basis and Im not too aware of modern ones due to not even knowing wich comics are ongoing. Think the closest to modern comics I got to following actively was the Pheonix and Magik one so I can shitpost about them with some online buddies.
Comics really are just difficult to get into desu. Noit cause of some "omg where do I start" wich only applies to the most niche of cases in capeshit but indie ones too. Assuming somebody is rich enough to buy a indie comic issue by issue instead of waiting for a collection they still have to be aware the indie comic still exists. I have read so many indie comics on the usual website wich I never saw again and forgot their title or what happened beyond 1 or 2 memorable pages. I will never be able to find them again and comic communitys are too small to just ask around with vague descriptions to see if somebody knows what I mean.

>>150407132 (OP)
20 years of consistent, constant, progressively larger servings of horse shit killed everyone's interest, sorry.

>>150407317
Don't forget
>only read manga, will loudly tell you how superior they are

>>150450641
Old comics can be new to some people.

>>150452193
your stupid

>>150453293
Ironic.

>>150407138
The brightest stars burn the shortest.
>>150407132 (OP)
Discuss what?
Absolute Batman and more brown people reboot bait for low iq people? Or perhaps the mainline books in which none of them are worth talking about except for complaints.
Perhaps you'd like this to be more like /a/. where everyone forces themselves to keep reading shit they hate just to complain like JJK or CSM generals or One Piece.
Or perhaps you mean Nancy who is now gonna be drawn by-- well no point in complaining further, you get it.
I expect the only discussion we'll get is when Beneath The Trees releases and gets posted here.

>>150454106
>where everyone forces themselves to keep reading shit they hate
/co/ already does that a lot.

>>150454740
That's true, in that case YOU start Marvel and DC weekly generals for people to talk about how much they hate everything.

>>150451429
those dont really count as comic fans

>>150456809
fuck generals

>>150407132 (OP)
All dead. You're the last one left.

>>150407915
That's literally what he said you fucking cromagnon. Partisan writers drove away the readership.

>>150407132 (OP)
More complainers than comic book readers

>>150445916
It's okay I haven't had a thread die mid storytime yet thankfully

>>150458596
more cartoon fags than readers

>>150458500
What about you?

>>150407184
The biggest load of shit that has been allowed to be spewed on this board. If it was woke from day one, why even bother changing it?

>>150460063
I agree.

>>150460794
Why'd you take the bait?

>>150460794
well, what "woke" is is constantly changing with every media cycle/generation/president/current-chemicals-in-the-air/etc.

Not necessarily agreeing with him though, because shit's gotten really stupid these past 10-15 years. Shit got extreme.

And i doubt it's my 5 decade old brain turning conservative/nazi and finally hating on everything new (the past 10 years), because for as long as I've lived, media from generations before me was tolerated despite being seen as "outdated". I mean, despite shit getting getting permanently shelved (Disney's Song of the South, etc), there was always demand for it to be released or finally getting released for DVD releases (various Looney Tune shorts).
Not coincidently, most of these cartoons that got banned/stopped airing was when Politically Correct (precursors to "woke") assholes started gaining power (80s, 90s).

>>150461795
>because shit's gotten really stupid these past 10-15 years. Shit got extreme.

In what way exactly?

> because for as long as I've lived, media from generations before me was tolerated despite being seen as "outdated"

Okay so you’re basically just bitching that modern corporations don’t put some stuff online vs when they just kept shit out of print. Where modern corporations just don’t male something available anymore because they know it’s not appealing to modern audiences and they aren’t in the archival business, they’re in making money business. Hence why Dr. Seuss state doesn’t print certain racist children’s books because why would they, parents don’t like it and they were never their biggest titles anyway. Saves them potential PR trouble and money.

>>150420637
Weren't some retailers actually suing DC over the Batman/Catwoman wedding not actually happening and them getting stuck with a lot of comics and tie-in gimmick products they couldn't sell once the truth leaked out?

Also remember that Marvel were trying to steal DC's thunder by having the Colossus/Kitty wedding in the exact same week, and that was a bait and switch story where the wedding didn't happen, too.

>>150461993
"outdated media", as in opinions and view points as from the past. I exampled song of the south and old Looney Tune shorts.

>In what way exactly?
The woke shit that's been trying to be passed on in the past 10 years?

In the past, we only had politically correct shit, include "parent groups" trying to spread socialist views like "the group is always right" in cartoons.
Or inserting token female/blacks/cripples into a show.

>>150450857
Just read for free before you buy.

>>150464334
That's stealing!

>>150407138
Why not all three?

>>150407132 (OP)
You're not paying attention because the big names from Marvel and DC have weekly storytime threads for all their main books on /co/. I reject the premise of your question.