Thread 150754702

>He did, however, admit to having a “crisis of confidence” after the muted response to his R-rated comedy “Fixed,” which debuted on Netflix earlier this year. He said that the negative response to the trailer and the fact that the movie “didn’t land the way I thought it was going to land” caused him to step back and assess the situation. “It gave me a little pause like, Oh, like, my instincts were a little off,” Tartakovsky shared. “Everything that I’ve done, it’s been positive, right across the board and this one was more controversial.”
>As such, in the lead-up to this new season of “Primal,” Tartakovsky has been fretting. “It’s like, are people going to question ‘Primal?’ No, I don’t think so. It’s true to the story. This is a very natural continuation of what’s been happening.”
https://www.thewrap.com/primal-season-3-twist-genndy-tartakovsky-interview/

>>150754702 (OP)
>are people going to question ‘Primal?’ No, I don’t think so
How can a veteran be so naive?

>>150754727
He is not, he even admits the season 2 ending was a mistake
>He started reading online comments following the Season 2 finale, all expressing sadness at the loss of Spear and the (supposed) end of the narrative. “I started to think about it, like, What did I do? I spent 20 episodes trying to get people to love these characters, just like with any show, and then I kill him. Maybe it was too early, because, for me, it’s an eternity, in a way, making it, but for you and everyone watching it, it’s like this,” Tartakovsky said.” I thought, Well, I make a mistake? Let me think about it. And then all of a sudden, this thing pops up – wait, maybe there’s a way around it. It’s a fantastical idea and it’s totally pulpy, which I loved about it.”

>>150754702 (OP)
Favorite part of Fixed was the very begining with the crazy humping scene transitioning to Bull and Honey having a chill conversation. That's the only time the tone worked for me.
Tone down the cursing and the DUDE WEED AND SEX jokes and it could have been a great movie about dog balls.

>>150754727
Because he knows he made a show about a zombie caveman kicking ass. The premise alone is going to pull numbers.

>>150754702 (OP)
Too bad it couldn't be fixed hyuck hyuck hyuck

>>150754727
I think he is so used to being praised Fixed might have been the first time he got more hate than love.

>>150754781
With any luck maybe it humbled him and set him on the right path going forward.

>>150754819
Until he finds a new passion project about tapeworms living in deer assholes.

>>150754702 (OP)

>“Everything that I’ve done, it’s been positive, right across the board and this one was more controversial.”

Dude hasn't even seen the RT scores for Hotel Transylvania?

>>150754702 (OP)
>“It gave me a little pause like, Oh, like, my instincts were a little off,”
What instincts? you were groping in the dark for 15 fucking years on a project that had no audience to begin with.

>>150754702 (OP)
Damn, we need to start publicly shitting on this guy’s work more if we want to save him. He almost had a moment of self-awareness there.

Fixed probably shouldn't have happened but I think it was good that Genndy was finally in a position to pursue his passion project. I just wish it wasn't uhhh that.

>>150754781
This, at most his prior works got mixed receptions, like Hotel Transylvania or Unicorn. Fixed was the first time he created something where the majority actively hated not just the flick itself, but the premise. Even Unicorn, shoddy as it was, had a neat idea.

fame makes you retarded

>>150754702 (OP)
>He said that the negative response to the trailer and the fact that the movie “didn’t land the way I thought it was going to land” caused him to step back and assess the situation.
I don't even blame him for misreading the room. People thought Sausage Party was the shit when it first out, and then you have Fritz the cat being a huge example for adult animation having an audience.

>>150754702 (OP)
Has Genndy ever talked about the reception the unicorn show got?

>>150755021
He probably doesn't count those since he doesn't really want to do them.

>>150756554
There was never a Unicorn show.

>>150756575
And yet they're still better than his "creative" output has been for the last decade.

>>150754702 (OP)
>Everything that I’ve done, it’s been positive, right across the board
Did this joker forget Unicorn Warriors?

Well, I guess everyone else did, too.

>>150754752
I don't dislike zombie Spear as a funy, pulpy idea as he seems to be aiming for, but it sure does trivialize the serious ending of the second season and makes the whole season even more meandering and pointless.

>>150754702 (OP)
Genndy has made so many incredible pieces, I won't begrudge one stinker, especially if he's realized it wasn't particularly good himself

>>150754702 (OP)
Genndy has the easiest job in the world. He should know what people want from him. What they EXPECT from him. He's the "action" guy. Just make things badass like Samurai Jack, Clone Wars, and early Primal and everyone is happy. But he keeps tripping up, dabbling in romance, or dorky blundering characters, or making his own Seth Rogan-esque stoner comedy when even Seth Rogan isn't well received when he does it. Genndy, I'm begging you... SORT YOUR SHIT OUT.

>>150756643
>so many incredible pieces
>one stinker
Samurai Jack Season 5: went to shit after episode 3 because it lacked focus and a second draft. Needed a game to retcon the ending.
Unicorn: Warriors Eternal: lacked focus and a second draft. Ended on a cliffhanger like a second season was guaranteed in writing by the CEO himself.
Fixed: 'Nuff said.
Primal: started off good, but then they strayed away from the simple action formula.

How was Fixed anyways? I don't plan to watch it because I am not interested in the premise at all, but I’d like to hear what anons here thought.

>>150756709
>Samurai Jack Season 5
Look, there was no way a new Samurai Jack season was ever going to live up to the hype. The best move would've been to not make it.

>>150756727
I cannot imagine the execution is any better than the cringe trailer.
>I am not interested in the premise at all
You and literally everyone else.

>>150756733
Not that anon but it had a good start, Genndy really needed another writer to take it from a better direction from there though. The game ending still sucks too

>>150756733
Long ago in a distant land, Anon the master of shitposts tore open Genndy a new asshole by writing up a season 5 summary that was still better than what we go. I don't have the screenshot here, but I do remember the one big change was killing Ashi and not focusing a third of the season on her hanging out with Jack or learning about him.

>>150756733
>The best move would've been to not make it.
That's not true at all. Season 5 lived up to the hype in the beginning. Bearded badass Jack? AWESOME. Love story? Cringe. All he had to do was make Jack the action star all the way through and he fucked up.

>>150756733
It DID live up to the hype. It just lived up to the hype for 3 or 4 episodes before taking a nosedive in quality for some reason. Maybe it was 5. I remember thinking they needed more episodes or something. I cant remember it's been awhile.

>>150756760
Nah, first three episodes were action adventures. The rest were Jack's meandering journey, feat. Scaramouche's completely pointless quest to tell Aku that Jack lost his sword.

>>150756750
>Make them fall in love
>Kill her off
>Rest is a revenge story but jack ends up having to choose between revenge and saving the world or something

I mean she died anyways why not.

>>150756709
Samurai Jack S5 was so shit it single handedly made me lose all faith in Genndy. He's over the hill. These guys have all entered the George Lucas phase of their careers and it becomes all the harder to ignore with the passing of time.

>>150756783
>whining about Scaramouche getting more screen time
You guys kinda suck

>>150756786
Because that is such a basic-bitch story arc and Jack didn't need a revenge plot to hate Aku. It could have been about villains and their new insidious plots but instead it had to baby you with some bitch's redemption arc as aku's servant but ACKSHUALLY she's part of Aku because Genndy really, really liked the time where Aku was a woman I suppose. And then it's just Nia's plot from Gurren Lagann.

>>150754702 (OP)
>“Everything that I’ve done, it’s been positive, right across the board
Did he just memory hole Unicorn Warriors and the last season of Samurai Jack? Dude's been on a slide for years.

>>150756872
I'm whining that Scaramouche's scenes were rendered pointless because I enjoyed them.

>>150757069
That's business in general. Spin every loss into a win. And anything you can't spin, just ignore it.

>>150754702 (OP)
I know someone probably already said it before, but if the premise was tweaked and the dogs were all anthros, Fixed NEVER would have gotten the backlash it received.

>>150757224
Are you retarded, the premise would be even more nonsensical if they were all anthros

>>150754757
>Tone down the cursing and the DUDE WEED AND SEX jokes
So Fixed was basically American adult animation circa 1993?

>>150754752
I just realized that I remember nothing about the way Primal ended. Like, I still remember Season 1's highlights. But Season 2 is a blur to me.

>>150757252
>human males never have problems with their genitals
But really, I'm just talking from hindsight, whether the story made sense or not, you know the backlash wouldn't have happen.

>>150754702 (OP)
We live in an era where an anime movie about teenaged boys killing demons outsells both Marvel and Superman movies. Why do all Western animation directors suck so much?

>>150757275
Pretty much. The best comparison is how John K handled Adult Party Cartoon. The original Ren and Stimpy was way more sophisticated and "adult" than what John thought was adult. Same goes for Genndy.

>>150756658
I think it's a good thing for artists to experiment and try new things. We should never encourage stagnation.

>>150757296
>Why do all Western animation directors suck so much?
They've been living in California too long to know what the real world is like and have no idea how to reflect real human elements in a work of fiction.

>>150757330
It's good to encourage what works, not just "new for new's sake." How many failures does Genndy need to clue him in?
Later half of SJ Season 5: Bad
Unicorn Overlord: Not good at all
Dog Ballz: Literally zero audience for this.

And now you're going to tell me he should experiment? Maybe reserve that criticism for people who found success in it.

>>150757311
Fixed was just conceptually awful, it's not like Ren and Stimpy where things only went to complete shit without the network restraints (and johnny boy getting fired).

>>150754702 (OP)
>Suffers 1(one) failure.
>Loses all confidence.
Is he a nepobaby? How did he make it in the world of animation before having failed in the past.

>>150757224
>if the premise was tweaked and the dogs were all anthros, Fixed NEVER would have gotten the backlash it received.
Then if would be just been the average furry porn and been posted nowhere

>>150757387
>unicorn overlord: Not good at all
Unicorn bros... i don't feel good...

>>150757958
I'll change my mind when it comes to PC.

>>150758070
>when it comes to PC
Its over...

>>150756727
It's okay. Good animation. Mediocre and predictable writing, but at least it knows it's a stupid dog balls movie and doesn't get political or topical. Not long. 3/5 don't regret watching it.

>>150754702 (OP)
Crazy how he thought the animation would fall in love with Dog Balls: the Movie. I still don't know what the fuck he was thinking.

>>150754702 (OP)
That's it fellas. He's done it. He finally got over the hump of mediocrity, a minuscule pitfall in his career, he went soul-searching and had a true self-realization and henceforth will be producing utmost kino EXCLUSIVELY.

Actually, my expectations for Primal S3 just went to the Sun.

GO GENNDY!

>>150756760
Oh god yes those first three episodes were perfect, I just wanted Jack kicking ass with more edge. Then it suddenly became Genndy's romance fanfic for his own show where Jack falls in love with a girl whose sisters he just horribly killed and the writing just took a big fat nosedive into the ocean.

>>150757888
Shut up thirdie

>>150757888
Genndy found immediate success with his very first TV show at a relatively young age, one that helped usher in Cartoon Network as a haven for fresh original cartoons no less. That'd make anyone feel like they're unstoppable, which he kind of was minus that brief period in the late 2000s when he and his buddies couldn't find much work. That early success allowed him to pursue more experimental and action-oriented genres for a while, so with Fixed being his first overt comedy in about a decade, it makes sense for him to be a little rusty but also surprised to learn that not every one of his ideas is "perfect and needs no refining."

Genndy is by no means a nepobaby, but he needed a good wakeup call.

>>150754702 (OP)
I read that as
>"After he nuted a response"

>>150754727
>How can a veteran be so naive?
You answered your own question. It's *because* he's a veteran. Sometimes a person reaches a certain level of success in their field and they'll start to buy into their own hype.

>>150756750
I hate to use this phrase and I think you're gonna stop reading once you hit the end of this sentence but this might just be a case of you lacking media literacy. People getting hyped for Punished Jack didn't remember that characters don't grow the depression beard in stories unless they're going to shave it of and return to form at some point.

Also Ashi being a romance was telegraphed the second that butterfly showed up in the first episode. You don't single out a female character as not as bad as the other killers unless you intend to spare her, and you don't spare her unless she's going to be relevant, which is typically as a love interest.

And that's the real problem with Samurai Jack season 5. It's basic and by the numbers. If you watch even a handful of stories of its genre you can predict everything the season does in the first fifteen minutes.

>>150758769
>People getting hyped for Punished Jack didn't remember that characters don't grow the depression beard in stories unless they're going to shave it of and return to form at some point.
I can accept Jack shaving off the beard and cleaning up at some point. But the method of getting him out of his funk.
>You don't single out a female character as not as bad as the other killers unless you intend to spare her
Mostly true but it doesn't have to be. If you want to hammer home tragedy of conflict, you can show a flicker of humanity and then take that character away. It's harsher than general audiences are used to though.
>and you don't spare her unless she's going to be relevant, which is typically as a love interest.
That is how things tend to be done, but that is unnecessarily cliche. You don't HAVE to spare every woman with a flicker of emotion. You don't HAVE to pair her with the MC. And it's really, REALLY disappointing to see Genndy, for all his "experimentation" with other shows didn't even think to take a trope and turn it on its head instead of just grasping at every convention every chance he got.

>And that's the real problem with Samurai Jack season 5. It's basic and by the numbers
Oh thank god, you get it. I probably didn't even have to type all that, we seem to be on the same page after all.

>>150754702 (OP)
I was under the impression that he already knew Fixed would be controversial and still did it as a passion project, you mean to tell me thought it would do WELL??

>>150758701
Cope

>>150754702 (OP)
Talk about a ruff crowd...

>>150756733
Just get rid of the girl and focus on the main conflict. We already have all the necessary characters, we don't need new ones.
Besides, the emotional conflict of returning to the past or living with her new friends in the future is more than enough for a great ending.

>>150755021
He's outright said he has very little control over the narrative of the HT films. All he could really control was the visuals, which got mostly universal praise.

>>150756554
>>150756621
Despite the sentiment here, Unicorn apparently did really well and Adult Swim wants more. Genndy is just not sure how to approach it, narratively, since the project was always meant to be all ages and now a new season would have to be adult out the gate.

I still think the movie would've done well if it was marketed properly, as a result only terminally online people who take cartoons way too seriously were aware of its existence and hated it.

>>150756628
Personally it depends. As long as he doesnt try to make it like Spear wants to come back to the living world or some shit. Keep it anthological or "of the week" like s1 was. Spear goes through Hell or such until he finds peace, probs the souls of his family, or even pull a Kratos and have him leave them because of lingering threats idk

>>150759984
Baffling. Is there even enough action in that show to like it if you don't care the story makes no sense?

>>150754702 (OP)
I liked Fixed solely cause it just pissed off the entirety of animation twitter and terminally online freaks lmaoo. That said, the first netflix promo trailer was fucking awful before watching it myself without any bias and this felt like Genndy and co were just fucking around. Certainly felt like a comedy movie from the 2000s with a niche audience in mind since he had this idea since the 2000s. I don't mind it when cartoon creators try to branch out but some jokes should've been dialed back a bit like such >>150754757

>>150757296
There's been a generational brain drain ever since Disney unilaterally decided to move to 3d. The techniques and skills necessary for good animation are long lost, never being passed on to the next generation. Places like Japan and France still educate up-and-coming artists in how to properly do 2d, so they can still put out good stuff. But America never will again, they can't catch up. Execs don't trust 2d so they won't fund it or its education, and the few oldheads like Gennedy are aging and losing their touch. It's over.

Rough Doggystyle With Honey

>>150754702 (OP)
I thought the movie was funny

>>150758873
Arrest

>>150757330
>I think it's a good thing for artists to experiment and try new things. We should never encourage stagnation.
Except when they literally can't do anything else but their prior bread and butter. Nothing wrong with sticking to your strengths. Bro just ain't versatile.

>>150756750
>Love story? Cringe.
Bro, the hero gets the girl. Quit being gay.

I didn't hate Fixed, I just thought it was completely unnecessary and that if it were made before Sausage Party it would have been slightly better received.

I honestly forgot about most of the movie after 2 weeks

>>150761564
>I just thought it was completely unnecessary
dude it's a movie, the fuck do you mean by this

>>150761536
Nodody needs it

>>150761606
our population decline disagrees

>>150760139
If Fixed really was just a gigantic shitpost on Netflix's dime I would respect it, but the fact that it was some kind of long-time dream project for him is just completely baffling.

>>150761606
Bro, what is your damage with heterosexuality? You're always bitching about it.

>>150761621
It's nobody's fault you are a fat fuck.

>>150754702 (OP)
Genndy.
It's becuase you've been talking about this movie for a decade.
A decade. And the best thing you can do is a generic (sex) buddy comedy just like everyone else, but animated?
Come on man. We've seen Fixed before, when it was called Superbad, and The Hangover, and Dude, Where's My Car?!, and Eurotrip, and...

animation is supposed to be a gateway to tell stories that real life can't, or can't without struggling immensely.

Apologize

>>150761636
Nothing, it's just that romanticism is something that Samurai Jack didn't need

>>150761536
Everyone's gay these days. The browner your skin, the gayer you act while pretending you're an alpha male. An alpha cocksucker I say.

>>150754781
>>150754781
>I think he is so used to being praised Fixed might have been the first time he got more hate than love.
Fortunately for his sake, no one watched Unicorn Warriors Eternal.
Because hooboy, people would have been calling him a hack if the general public knew it existed. The pacing, the conflict in tone with the serious story and the "Tezuka-Fletcher inspired artstyle", and the repetitive dialogue.

>>150761695
I actually really liked what Unicorn tried to do, it was just badly executed. Nobody talks about it because it's just very mediocre and boring.

In what universe would any sane human being expect a movie about farting dog buttholes to turn out as anything other than an embarrassing failure?

>>150761582
I mean it didn't need to be made. It's entirely forgettable.

Why are you so hostile like I told your mother she deserved to get raped or something

>>150761737
Bot reply?

>>150754702 (OP)
Deflate that ego, Genndy

>>150754702 (OP)
>>150754727
Lol what an ego maniac

I told you guys this when he started inserting his name into the title of his works, but you mocked me in your cups.
Don't have the usual smug loli Z image today, sorry.

>>150762492
A lolifag hating something means very little when we know the shit you praise

>>150762417
Shut up beanfag

>>150762492
Creators can do what they want with their series so cry about it

>>150757278
Have had this saved since

>>150757355
True, same with the game industry once every single dev and publisher became situated in california.

>>150761403
Honey and Delilah doubleteam when?

>>150756628
I kinda figured after the end of season 2 a 3rd season would pull a bit from the movie Drive Angry
>spear in the afterlife at peace, possibly with his dead family
>have Fang appear, having died
>their kids have been taken, enslaved, etc
>Spear and Fang escape the afterlife to save their children
>que angles, demons, gods, and other entities joining the hunt