Thread 150759524

Matt Fraction, the husband of feminist activist Kelly Sue DeConnick, was recently hired to write a new Batman series and he’s already using the book to spout anti-police nonsense.

In Batman #2, which was released on October 1st, Fraction and artist Jorge Jimenez us Batman to tell two police officers that “Police brutality and murder put us on opposite sides. Officers.”

The comment is purely anti-police propaganda on top of being nonsensical based on the context of the comic.

Earlier in the book, a group of criminals engage in armed robbery of a delivery truck full of baby formula. One of the criminals murders the truck driver in cold blood. When the police arrive on the scene a shootout occurs between them and the criminals.

While all of this is happening, Tim Drake beats down one of the other criminals. However, the police show up and tell him and the criminal to freeze. The criminal begins to run for cover and is subsequently shot by one of the officers.

Robin then attempts to flee as well and he too is shot.

After the police officers put Robin in a paddy wagon full of criminals and attempt to rough him up, he beats them all up and escapes with the help of Batman. After exiting the vehicle, Robin informs Batman, “That one shot a fleeing suspect in the back. Killed him. Shot me, too.”

The officer replies, “Do it again, If I gotta. Him too, I ain’t afraid.” When his partner tries to deescalate the situation he aims his shotgun at him saying, “You’re on their side now? Known criminals. Vigilantes.” His partner replies, “What are you talking about? They’re on our side--”

Batman then chimes in, “Police brutality and murder puts on opposite sides. Officers.”

>>150759524 (OP)
To be clear, the officer shooting the fleeing suspect is not murder. It’s self-defense given he and his gang members were just involved in a shootout with the police. It’s quite reasonable to suspect he was fleeing to gain cover in order to launch a counter attack. As for the brutality, sure it’s there, but it’s what’s done in the paddy wagon, not what was done on the street.

Nevertheless, it’s obvious that the entire point of the panel is to push an anti-police message that is devoid of the truth given a murder did not happen.

>>150759524 (OP)
>>150759529
Why are you quoting that shitbag Wes?

>>150759524 (OP)
mindbroken

>>150759524 (OP)
>Fraction
>Batman
You played yourself thinking for even a nanosecond that this wouldn't be cringe from the get go

>Batman to tell two police officers that “Police brutality and murder put us on opposite sides. Officers.”

What is the problem with Batman saying that to a psycho cop who tried to kill Robin twice, actually shot his own partner and was revealed to have a hard-on against vigilantes already from the previous issue? The police are currently led by Vandal Savage, a major DC villain who has the support of The Court of Owls. It does make sense, contextually. But even if it didnt, the line itself is absolutely something Batman would say regardless of context. He is a humanist who abhorrs death and resorts to violence only whenever there is no other avenue available to him (as he did with Croc in the previous issue). Is the writer going for a "softer" interpretation? Sure but that approach is in useful contrast to Snyder's take on the character in his Absolute series

What I am more shocked by is the fact that Fraction is married to that harpy, since 2002 no less. She better be giving one hell of a head, that is all I am going to say

>>150759693
It's an problem because it's a complicated issue that everyone with two braincells to rub together knows will not be handled fairly

>>150759524 (OP)
batman's the only super-hero who works WITH the police if he is portrayed as a veteran, brutalizes criminals and corrupts minors

and they still try to put woke politics out of his mouth... this doesn't make any sense. he isn't green arrow

>>150759524 (OP)
>Batman fights the police
I hope this guy never reads Year One or Dark Knight Returns, he’ll have a coronary

oh no no no not my heckin fat lazy asshole cops

>>150760471
His criticism is dumb, but Fraction is definitely ACAB in a way that Miller was not. Frank was mugged twice and loathes criminals. Fraction thinks they're good boys just stealing baby formula to feed their babies.

>>150759524 (OP)
When did /co/ turn into “/pol/, high school loser edition”? Was it that faggy comicsgate thing? I thought that was all contained to YouTube

>>150760491
>the stories are the same but the writer’s political stances are different
I avoid this unnecessary stress by not following Twitter.

>>150759524 (OP)
shit writer who was only popular when brubaker did the cowriting and all the work combined with a 3rd world 3d model tracer. you get the shit you deserve.

Ok but isn't the GCPD like infamously corrupt

>>150760519
No, they're not the same. Frank Miller's politics influence his writing just as Fraction's does his.

>>150759524 (OP)
Imagine trusting the common GCPD Officer

>>150760533
Miller had it start out that way but then Gordon cleaned it up leaving just a few bad apples, which was the status quo from the 90s-10s. But now all cops are bastards, including Gordon, who is a murderer and demoted to beat cop while Vandal Savage is the Commissioner running a nearly-completely evil police force.

>>150759802
>batman's the only super-hero who works WITH the police
Not since COIE, the degree of cooperation varies from reluctant ally to openly opposition.

>>150759802
Just like how it didn't make sense to write Batman not stopping looters. It shows the complete lack of oversight at modern DC to get any consistent characterization strictly in place. Instead writers are just allowed to do whatever they want. So you get them pushing their own politics onto characters.

>>150760491
The new Gotham police commissioner is Vandal Savage. Isn't that enough rip for you that this iteration of police is corrupt?

>>150759802
>he isn't green arrow

No wonder one of the open lefty superheroes is a garbage human being that everyone around him hates him because he destroys everything he touches.

>>150759731
It is only "an problem" if you yourself are hellbent on making it out to be. There are several issues plaguing Batman and superhero comics in general but contrarian brainlets like you always have to obsess over "muh cops" or "muh feminism" or whatever the fuck else happens to trigger you this week. Snowflakes of a different colour the lot of you

based fuck cops

>>150761142
Dude reread my post. I'm saying it can't be done because not a single writer in comics will portray cops in a positive light when it comes to that issue. It's sad because I don't think it would be controversial at all to portray a cop going overboard on an out of control criminal and Batman having to stop him. Batman says "You're better than this" but also punches the crook and tells him to know when to quit. I think that'd be pretty fair

>>150759524 (OP)
The problem isn't a lie, but the writing is shallow.
I honestly thought the first two issues were pretty weak.
But since we're in a time where everything DC does gets applause, no matter how pornographic it is like Peacemaker, or something completely mediocre and copied from Spawn like Absolute Batman, or something crap like DC K.O.

Imagine writing a comic book you think is important or fixes a real world problem

>>150761322
Absolute Batman is the only thing that really sells. Peacemaker got views sure but the ratings are gonna plummet with this second season not just being literally pornagraphic but being a nothing burger "set up" for the next Superman movie.

>>150761238
It should not be any writer's cross to bear to portray cops in a positive light. This is Gotham and this is Batman, it would be out of character for him to tip his bat-ears to the good officers of the law for a job well done. As others said Miller re-invented Batman to have an adversarial relationship to the police and Fraction's portrayal here is well within that framework. If anything I am surprised by how diplomatic and de-escalating Batman is being here considering that fat fuck nearly killed his partner and son.

I will give you a single point, not for the cops' portrayal which is realistic and compatible with the Bat-mythos but for the portrayal of the criminals. Especially the guy who stole the baby formula for his poor starving kids, that is dumb as fuck and typical cuck writing. Having all the criminals being young white dudes (including those from the previous issue) is also a fail. Finally, notice how the logical cop is non-White because of course he is while the psychopath is basically a fat Irish drunk who probably beats his mulatto daughter at home because she is smarter than him.

>>150761410
>Batman, it would be out of character for him to tip his bat-ears to the good officers of the law for a job well done
No it would not be out of character at all. As for the rest of your post it absolutely is the writers job to give fair representation to both sides of the argument. Otherwise you come off as completely biased and stupid

>>150759529
> self defense
> shooting someone in the back that is running away from you

Fucking wild, man

>>150761375
You're eating shit and being thankful for it. Superman was bad, it's not worth having a second one.

It’s a shame Brubaker isn’t writing this, the art isn’t horrible. It’s not great either though, not really a fan of DCs slave labor South American house style they’ve had for the last half decade or so

>>150760859
Present Day Batman was mostly on good terms with the police until War Games and then he was on good terms again when Gordon became Commissioner again. He was always on good terms during the New 52 until Zdarsky's run. Snyder's final arc ended with Gordon becoming a sanctioned Batman himself while Bruce had amnesia, there was no opposition.
>>150761410
>As others said Miller re-invented Batman to have an adversarial relationship to the police
No he didn't. That only applied to how things worked before Gordon became Commissioner and after Gordon retired but even Yindel quickly reached an understanding after initial opposition.

>>150761729
Read several posts itt, including my own where the retarded status quo of current day GCPD is explained in glorious detail. Also, Miller's Batman is absolutely a mean bastard who treats cops like the crooked pigs they are. I don't know if you are OP or not but you need to stop dickriding this "Batman and the cops are bestest chums", that kind of shit was dropped as early as the 70s, before even Miller defined the modern Batman

>Getting outraged by this

Grow ougher skin, snowflake

>>150761834
Making Vandal Savage the Commissioner and Gordon a murderer was an ACAB decision by Zdarsky, yes. Fraction is embracing it instead of running away from it.
> you need to stop dickriding this "Batman and the cops are bestest chums", that kind of shit was dropped as early as the 70s, before even Miller defined the modern Batman
No it wasn't. Try reading bat-books that aren't Dark Knight Returns, Year One, and ASB&R.

>>150759536
Maybe OP is him

>>150761238
Cops in the USA are incredible inefficient and poorly trained. Why do you want them to be portrait in a positive light? I only care that the superheros look cool on my capeshit comics. If it that comes at expense of the police, so be it.

I will never understand Americans' fetishization of an out-of-control police force. Even something as simple as purging "qualified immunity" nonsense SHOULD be something everyone agrees on, but no. Gotta back the blue even as The Blue shit on laws.

>>150761238
The reason that doesn't happen is because moderns cops in nuAmerica have shown that they are in fact not 'better than this'

>>150759524 (OP)
>DURRR I LUB COPS DURRR I LOVE STATE POWER DURRRRRRR

>>150762127
Republicans brainwash Americans into thinking any sort of change to the status quo is “woke bullshit” so them and their billionaire masters don’t have to risk losing 0.1% of their fortune

>>150762127
Americans are dangerous retards. It is literally just that simple.

>>150762112
>I only care that the superheroes look cool
Well this is clearly false otherwise you wouldn't comment on how cops are portrayed at all. Instead you are actively challenging the idea of positive portrayal
>>150762157
You can't make that broad statement about an occupation millions of people work day to day. Being comically bias like that is why comics are a laughingstock when it comes to political writing

>>150762244
But Republicans voted for tighter immigration laws. That is a change from the norm that repubs are pretty adamant about

>>150762301
>thinking rounding up brown people is some sort of step away from the status quo of the American government
Ngmi

>>150761913
There is a one year storyline before COIE where Ruppert Thorne installs a corrupt commissioner in the position of Gordon.
This is constant gimmick in modern Batman of shaking things with the department of police. Since post Crisis we had a roulette of commissioners of police: Loeb (Year 1), Gordon, Sarah Essen and Andrew Howe post Knightdall, Gordon again, Michael Akins until IC, Gordon again, Harvey Bullock, Gordon and now Vandal Savage.

>>150762278
>You can't make that broad statement about an occupation millions
Yes you can. Cops are most of the time a waste of taxes.

>>150759524 (OP)
...but Batman was deputized by Gordon, he's practically a member of the police himself. That's why the police go from being an enemy of Batman to an ally.

>police brutality and murder puts us on opposite sides

BATMAN YOU HAVE CANONICALLY MAIMED/BRUTALIZED/KILLED PEOPLE

>>150762487
>Batman was deputized by Gordon
Not really true since 25 years ago.

>>150762413
Very specific stories where the point is to have an additional conflict, not the norm or meant to be any kind of statement about actual police.

>>150760491
Gotham cops would never be corrupt! FACT!!!’

>>150759524 (OP)
OP is massive faggot but the thought of Bat “I permanently cripple bank robbers because killing is wrong” man lecturing some cop that police brutality is bad is pretty hilarious

This looks like another one of those slop substack blog posts by a culture war outrage farmer. It's all dogshit takes to farm engagement. Better to laugh at whoever wrote this and tell him to stick to children's bible stories if he keeps screeching for attention.

>>150761913
Overlooking the fact that you dismiss some iconic storylines that have shaped the modern Batman mythos and are therefore crucial parts of the character's portrayal (which includes his decidedly adversarial relationship with the cops), you should read Prey (another seminal storyline) where Batman has to fight overzealous cops that try to kill him on sight alongside any other poor bastard who happens to be in their way. This was in the 90s, before the pozzed current day bullshit you rage against. Also in the 90s was the post-Knightfall suspicion towards Batman after the Azrael debacle when even Gordon was openly hostile to him. Later on in the 00s during the aftermath of the War Games saga where shit hit the fan and vigilantes were blamed as the root of all problems in Gotham. In Morrison's run an entire arc is devoted to corrupt cops feeding a Venom-driven ex-cop with hookers and and blow and covering up for him while he murdered and raped everything around him. And as another anon said, look up Englehart's Detective run in the 70s when Rupert Throne had the city and the police in his pocket and had his own police chief hire Deadshot to kill Batman. This was before Frank Miller.

In other words, get the fuck outta here with the "misunderstood police" bullshit. Gotham cops are pigs, they have always been Batman's enemies (to various degrees) and Fraction's obvious bait here has gotten you retards sperging out over nothing.

Matt Fraction's Batman will be cancelled soon.
No one wants this shti and even the speculators arent happy either

>>150759693
You think the people complaining actually read comics? You think they know who Vandal Savage is? You think they're comfortable drawing a distinction between the good cops from issue 1 (e.g. patrolman Jim Gordon) and the asshole that shot Tim Drake (is that a hate crime?)

>>150761530
Yes retard, you don't get to call a time out after shooting at cops just because you turn your body 180 degees.

>>150764246
Is your dad a cop, OP? Did he die on the job or something? Hope you dont give your classmates at school such a hard time over this shit

>>150763242
>you should read Prey
Prey was a Legends of the Dark Knight storytline, that entire book was devoted to the Year One era status quo.
>Gordon was openly hostile to him
Gordon was grumpy because Batman didn't trust him enough, kept him out of the loop. They were never enemies.
> Later on in the 00s during the aftermath of the War Games saga where shit hit the fan and vigilantes were blamed as the root of all problems in Gotham.
That era was one of the worst Batman's ever had which is why they pivoted hard from it when Tomasi took over as editor.
>In Morrison's run an entire arc is devoted to corrupt cops feeding a Venom-driven ex-cop with hookers and and blow and covering up for him while he murdered and raped everything around him.
Yeah those are a couple of bad apples as usual. Morrison's run started with a cop.
> And as another anon said, look up Englehart's Detective run in the 70s when Rupert Throne had the city and the police in his pocket and had his own police chief hire Deadshot to kill Batman. This was before Frank Miller.
That was Conway, not Englehart.
>Gotham cops are pigs, they have always been Batman's enemies (to various degrees)
You're cherry picking a handful of stories compared to entire decades where Batman's been on good terms with the police.
>>150764182
>You think they're comfortable drawing a distinction between the good cops from issue 1 (e.g. patrolman Jim Gordon)
Gordon's not a good cop, he's a self-confessed murderer.

>>150764435
It is not cherry-picking if it is a pattern across several decading, not to mention character-defining stories

>>150759524 (OP)
>Police never turn up when you're being attacked, or there's shit going down. Like cowards.
That is a thing people complain about. Good on him, fuck the police.

>Police only ever show up to arrest you for loitering, offensive behaviour, or to clobber protesters or other cowardly behaviour
>When they do show up to stop legit crims they shoot them dead in the back or clobber restrained individuals like bullying little bastards.

Both these things are wrong.

If you can't see a connection between the police being uber PC and uber violent (note that it's the same cops, they don't have to be racist fascist thugs or whatever) from the fact that bullying bastards are cowardly bastards too, that it's both sides of the same coin, you need your eyes tested OP.

I'm not one of these 'ACAB all copsare le heckin fasherino' types like this author because most cops are actually quite PC, but some cops are, some forces in a city or county or whatever are institutionally racist, and even the PC ones, the majority, can still be vicious bastards.

I like to think it's a minority who have this behaviour but you see it enough you're gonna say something.

So let him.
I mean you're on 4chan, aren't you? You are on the most anti-authoritarian website on Earth. Act like it.

>>150764246
Not him, but I think you have a point, sometimes people do get killed when ther back is turned, and they bring it on themselves.

But use your brain. It's not always the case, and you know just as much as I do how it's gonna look when some kid, usually black, gets shot in the back three times fleeing a cop. It's gonna look like the cop was evil, and he shot some kid who wasn't a threat (i.e. had a TV in both hands and was running off). Or possibly even innocent. And that has to be investigated. Because sometimes things ARE how they look and the kid who got shot by a cop in the back was in cold blood.

Not always, but it's at least 50/50. And we should still ask the tough questions, like, did he have to die? And unlike a lot of leftoids who play up the innocence of perps, I don't drop it and go silent because it turned out the perp was guilty of attacking the cop. Attacking someone and leathal force being needed are two different things.

Imagine a world without cops

>>150762363
>Rounding up brown people
This isn't what's happening though
>>150762439
Not really. Pretty vital part of society actually

>>150764614
In those "character-defining" stories by Frank Miller, Batman is even more brutal to criminals than the police, and lawyers are also on his case for human rights abuses.

i dont really care about the message being anti-police or police are corrupt but the way its presented is pretty shit, fraction is a shit writer and the characterization of both batman and robin in this are dogshit

>>150765466
>that isn’t what’s happening
I guess I missed where Trump said he was gonna send ICE to hockey games to get illegal Canadians

>>150764246
Police opening fire on anyone should only be an absolute last resort to prevent harm to either the officer or another person. It’s literally impossible to be an immediate threat if your back is turned and you’re actively running away. Only bootlickers would justify shooting someone who’s running away.

>>150759524 (OP)
This is what happens when you hire people to make comics who hate comics and have no idea who reads them or why

>>150766346
The Joker thanks you.

>>150766346
Bodycams literally show most shootings are the result of an attacker charging at police after given ample warnings.

>>150765089
>You are on the most anti-authoritarian website on Earth.
Come on, most people here would gladly accept living under a dictatorship if it meant that they could masturbate to vidya girls again.

>>150765089
>I mean you're on 4chan, aren't you? You are on the most anti-authoritarian website on Earth. Act like it.

As if 90% of the people here don't have opinions indistinguishable from the average boomer uncle.

>>150768907
Every time I visit this board, it feels as if I'm on Reddit.

>>150760608
I mean it’s realistic. City cops especially are often connected to organized crime. Rural cops are generally chill.

I sure would like some law and order in my town! Fuck those BLM niggers! The correct response to “fiery but peaceful” protests is to gun them all down the second they get fiery!

>>150765466
>Pretty vital part of society actually
In other countries, maybe. In the USA most of them are brown or black so on top of being poorly trained they're genetically retarded.

Has the ACAB stuff affected the Flash comics? Barry Allen works for the cops.

>>150769950
If I feel like taking a 3 day vaycay I can just post my honest opinions.

>>150760494
2016

>>150770858
Barry's done, they moved back to focusing on Wally.

>>150761596
I like jimenez's take on Harley. I was never overly impressed with how "lean" he makes the male characters though. It seems he draws heads too small? I don't know. He's okay, I guess. I think his colorist is what makes his work "pop" the most.

>4chan pedophiles worshiping pig cock
I got nothing. There's too many layers to how insane that is.

>>150766346
Opening fire should be the first resort because you leftist faggots just let them back out anyway.

>>150771981
Yeah, I guess you don’t have to worry about a violent police force when you never leave your parents’ basement.

>>150772342
I don't have to worry about a violent police force because I'm not a retarded nigger.
I do have to worry about retarded niggers, though.

>>150759524 (OP)
Good. Fuck cops. Go lose your shit at pol comicsgate faggot

>>150772926
>Fuck cops.

You already do...?

>>150768907
4chan is a diverse place. You’ll have someone complaining about trannies in their video games in one thread while gooning in the off topic loli futa thread

>>150761238
>Batman says "You're better than this" but also punches the crook and tells him to know when to quit. I think that'd be pretty fair

So Batman needs to give a cop doing police brutality a mulligan because “that’s fair and balanced take”. Give a me a fucking break. When Batman comics have regular cast members like Gordon, Montoya and even fucking Bullock who’s got a long history of being a bit bent and breaking rules but mostly is still a good guy at his core, it’s absurd to cry crocodile tears that they aren’t fair to cops and you have to bend over backwards in depicting them always as inherently good who occasionally make a whoopsie when they use excessive force.

>>150765089
>I mean you're on 4chan, aren't you? You are on the most anti-authoritarian website on Earth. Act like it.

You have to be blind to not see how many people here on a daily basis keep defending what the current authoritarian on steroids administration.

>>150766294
kek so you're a retard, got it
>>150774813
If you're going to craft a specific scenario to comment on police brutality and you don't give both sides a fair representation, then yes fuck off you're biased. I never said the series as a whole had the problem but fraction's writing was retarded and made to whine from one side of issue without considering the other side. If you're not a retarded leftist this is easy to understand

>>150768772
Body cams, third party videos and witness reports also show that cops lie all the time about what happened and try to fabricate justifiable cause for using deadly/excessive force. This is especially true during protests when judges overwhelmingly throw out cases where cops just did mass arrests purely as a punitive action.

>>150774867
You do know that states can't individually enforce immigration laws? How is the current administration authoritarian when the federal government has to be the one to enforce those laws?

>>150760491
>Fraction is definitely ACAB
Based I'll have to start reading, thanks for letting me know.

>>150760905
Yeah but he's doing that story because he's too stupid to discuss the issue properly and wants to brow beat the reader

>>150762278
>You can't make that broad statement about an occupation millions of people work day to day
About individuals? Fair. About the institution? Fuck yes you can. The way they policing works in this country is absolutely broken, cops are indoctrinated into thinking they are an occupying army fighting against American citizens, and they have a slew of both legal and societal tools that ensure their offenses are never punished.

>>150774961
>cops are indoctrinated into thinking they are an occupying army fighting against American citizens
This histrionic. You're probably a woman that's never even directly dealt with police
>they have a slew of both legal and societal tools that ensure their offenses are never punished
This is onst true though. Cops get fired and punished all the time you're just letting the minority of bad ones getting away taint your entire view of them

>>150774893
Fraction literally gives you a scenario where there are two cops.

Cop #1 is a trigger happy asshole who happily shoots unarmed perps in the back for trying to run away, shoots Robin and then doesn’t call an ambulance but just cuffs him and throws him in the back of the truck and then intentionally starts riding his paddy wagon roughly in order to injure people who aren’t strapped in the back. All of which is showing accurate depiction of police brutality that happen irl. All of which is clearly written to be something that is taking place under the encouragement and leadership of Vandal Savage, the current police commissioner.

Then you have cop #2 who doesn’t really support what his partner does and even goes against him ultimately and shoots him when he’s so far gone he’s trying to take a shot at Batman. Clearly making it obvious that not all cops are bad or in favour of what cop #1 is doing even if they are turning a bit of a blind eye to it initially.

How is that biased? How is that ACAB propaganda? How is that unfair? Cop #2 is there precisely to not make all cops bad in a narrative where Savage is turning cops into heavily hostile force, you illiterate cunt.

>>150764246
>after shooting at cops
But he wasn't doing that. Read the fucking comic. He ran, the robbers were shooting at HIM, he ran around the corner, and then gets smacked by Robin. It's only at that point do the cops encounter him AT ALL, and yet they choose to start blasting.

For all they might've known, Robin was just talking to a skittish homeless witness.

>>150774989
Cops rack up plenty of issues before they are fired, are totally free to just go to another jurisdiction in most cases, and have shit like qualified immunity and the cultist "thin blue line" mentality that protect them from consequence. And when punitive financial damages *do* end up being awarded in the extremely rare case, it comes out taxpayer coffers. It's a fucking broken system and you're licking a boot so hard your relatives probably taste shoe leather.

>>150774990
because anything less than
>Yum yum yum this boot is so tasty can I please have some more boot mr. Orange man

is obviously cultural Marxism, didn't you get the memo?

>>150774990
It's biased because it's cartoony and over the top even by comic standards and this is a Batman comic and doesn't need to feature this preachy bullshit, really. Plus the whole thing is dishonest anyway because modern writers don't present us with criminals like they are in real life. Just misunderstood good boys

>>150775011
Yeah you definitely have never actually interacted with cops kek

>>150775041
That has nothing to do with what you replied to

>>150759524 (OP)
batman has fought rogue cops before. youd be surprised at how many 70s, 80s and 90s comic book writers that people liked were liberals.

>>150774907
The current administration has spent the past nine months breaking numerous laws. Consistently caught ignoring court orders. Just the other day they called it an insurrection when a judge ruled against them. And it’s not one time thing, they have been attacking judges on a regular basis, calling them leftist Marxists because they don’t just rubber stamp and rule in favour of the government every time. Some of whom were appointed by the sitting president himself! How is that type of blatant attack against the judiciary that is meant to be separate and independent not authoritarianism?

Currently they’re even doing politically motivated prosecutions of the president’s enemies list with such blatantly trumped up charges that they had to appoint people with no prosecutors or court room experience to do them because actual prosecutors had refused to bring charges due to the clear lack of evidence. The president even accidentally posted himself whining to his AG that they weren’t prosecuting his enemies quickly enough.

It’s pure authoritarianism when you’re normalising sending armed troops into multiple cities under false premises, without request by the local governor, simply because they’re politically affiliated with the opposite party.

>>150775050
Yes it does. That anon is sheltered and paranoid. Clearly hasn't actually interacted with the people he claims to hate

>>150775031
>It’s biased because baaawwwww I don’t like it

>>150775060
Democrats fight to most banal actions of Trump and deserve to be overridden. It's not authoritarian, you're all just retarded

>>150775079
Wouldn't have to fight them if they weren't blatantly unconstitutional and illegal

>>150775131
They aren't though, you're just retarded

>>150759529
>>150759524 (OP)
>It is the policy of the Department of Justice to value and preserve human life. Officers may use only the force that is objectively reasonable to effectively gain control of an incident, while protecting the safety of the officer and others, in keeping with the standards set forth in Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989). Officers may use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist and may use only the level of force that a reasonable officer on the scene would use under the same or similar circumstances.

>Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)

>In deciding whether an officer used excessive force in a certain situation, a court should consider similar factors to those described in the earlier decision of Tennessee v. Garner. These include the severity of the crime, any threat posed by the individual to the safety of officers or other people, and whether the individual is trying to flee or resist arrest.

> Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)

>Under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, a police officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect only if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

in both cases described in the OP post, the officers are in the wrong, even leaving aside their choice to use punishment beatings on a suspect in custody which is like, super fuckin illegal bro

If Gotham had good cops it wouldn't need Batman.

It's just really retarded to use current politics to promote a successful comic, especially when the left is participating in violent acts without the majority protection of legacy media. This just shows how alienated those who are left in the industry are and their lack of creativity in creating new stories that are not part of this distorted and imbecilic vision they have.

Why are you pro-police? I don't know, maybe because I'm a third worlder and don't know what good police officers are like. But people worship what are merely state agents.

>>150776872
>acts of violence
?????

>>150776926
I think it's largely a cultural difference. I can't speak for every officer, obviously, but from the ones, and family and friends thereof, that I've heard talk about their reasoning for becoming police officers, a lot of them genuinely want to help people and protect the general public.
A point of contention, however, is that a lot of them have a significantly different idea of what needs to happen to accomplish that than what a lot of comic writers think should happen.

>>150759524 (OP)
>>150771981
Midwest Safety has basically become my favorite TV show. And when you've watched several hours of police bodycam footage you realize how bullshit BLM and ACAB are.

>>150777005
He's talking about the ICE agents that shot a woman in Chicago for driving a car

>>150774940
What issue needs to be discussed? That there is a supervillain in charge of the police? Are you mentally impaired?

As someone who has read a lot of Batman my take on the matter is as follows:
Batman is generally pro-police as an institution. He also frequently applies excessive force in his interrogations (at least according to the legal definition of excessive force) as well as threats of excessive force which is still an illegal form of coercion. Batman making a statement against, specifically, police brutality is hypocritical and stupid.
Looking at corrupt police in Gotham and outside of Year One you don't often find that many. Gordon and Essen ran pretty tight ships and the idea of a corrupt police officer was usually introduced and solved in the same issue with Batman and other related parties treating it like an anomaly rather than the norm.
Notable examples for me would be the guy from Prey, Corrigan, and the guy from NML. As already mentioned, Prey takes place at or around the time of Year 1 and Loeb WAS a corrupt commissioner with a bunch of corrupt cops but that is explicitly a thing of the past.

Gotham Central provides a fairly optimistic outlook of the GCPD. Corrupt cops exist but the major crimes unit as well as most of the beat cops are all hardworking and honest men and women. There is also no indication that the higher echelons of the police institution are corrupt. In Gotham Central specifically, Batman is strongly disliked by some cops but he never shows anything other than respect for them. Batman canonically loves the police when they do their job right and he absolutely would and should give them commendations or 'tip his ears' to them when they do good work.
Batman against corrupt cops is fine. Batman against the police as an institution is retarded. Batman against 'police brutality' is retarded. Batman against police killing criminals is a complex issue that isn't really explored outside heavy handed 'cop wants to shoot a fully restrained teenage drug dealer' type stories. I would love to see a story examining how Batman feels about a righteous kill.

>>150775261
>if the officer has a good-faith belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
If you are engaged in a shoot-out then there is a significant threat of death or serious physical injury. If someone turns their back and runs during a shootout it does not mean they are no longer holding weapons or that they do not plan to turn around when they find better cover and resume shooting.

>>150777861
>Batman making a statement against, specifically, police brutality is hypocritical and stupid.

No, you’re stupid. This is like whining Batman is a hypocrite when he doesn’t have a search warrant when he investigates crime.

Cops have rules, procedures and laws to follow. Batman is a vigilante. He works outside of the law, cops meanwhile are meant to work inside the law because they are in charge of making sure everyone follows it and that’s why they have to have higher than normal standards so that there isn’t corruption, so that they don’t abuse their authority and power.

Batman would be against police brutality because that cop is breaking the rules and it’s morally wrong.

>>150777357
>Calls others mentally impaired
>Diens understand comics are written by people and not created in a vacuum
Read more, anon
>>150776872
I have to wonder what acab people even like about Batman. Fraction is writing about police brutality with a comic about a guy who uses jiu jitsu to beat up guys committing misdemeanors lol

>>150759524 (OP)
Oh look a 15-second-brain retard who can only comprehend pre-established heroes and villains in surface level situations

>>150778044
>Batman would be against police brutality because that cop is breaking the rules and it’s morally wrong
Right, but you under that cops can be attacked by someone they're arresting? Really doubt Batman would think the dude should just let himself be killed rather beat the guy back. This is why you have to be brutally honest or surface level with your political commentary. These characters, their fans actually, can't handle writing about complex real world issues that well

>>150774999
I wonder if OP witnessed a corrupt cop and got threatened into becoming an informant

>>150760491
Indeed this is what should be called out.
What kind of retard organized a drive by armed robbery of a truck full of baby formula? All those people happen to have babies and guns, but none says "let's shoplift it"? Also why the fuck are there armed trucks carrying baby formula like it's a bank vault transfer?

>>150778339
Oh fuck off.

>>150777112
Nobody believes you.

>>150778651
Why? If you want politics in superhero comics this is the type of shit you need to consider this type of stuff. A cop fighting for his life and being justified in doing so is definitely something Batman would come across just like he would come across needless police force

>>150776926
>Why are you pro-police?
Because they hurt black and brown people.

>>150775055
Liberalism was different decades ago. They still believed in law and order.

>>150778044
>Cops have rules, procedures and laws to follow. Batman is a vigilante. He works outside of the law, cops meanwhile are meant to work inside the law because they are in charge of making sure everyone follows it and that’s why they have to have higher than normal standards so that there isn’t corruption, so that they don’t abuse their authority and power.
"Checkmate, I don't have to follow the law because I'm already breaking it" isn't the win you think it is.

>>150778044
Shut your nigger mouth. "Police brutality" is not a crime. "Excessive force" and/or "Professional Misconduct" is.
>Batman would be against [...] cop breaking the rules and it's morally wrong.
Batman regularly asks law enforcement officers to break the rules (provide evidence/confidential information to him to help an investigation). You think asking Harvey Dent to pool knowledge/investigation with him is legal?
If you are going to argue about 'morally wrong', tell me how you justify Batman breaking into Arkham and beating the shit out of inmates who are already restrained while interrogating them? No one who does this can talk shit about police brutality.

>>150777884
They weren't engaged in a shoot-out. The suspect was fleeing. It's over at that point.

This is literally covered by federal law. Just because you fear someone might turn back or think that they could doesn't mean that they are doing so. That's why we have courts, so that we don't end up with this coplore bullshit instead of justice.

In any case you just sided with two cops who murdered a suspect and beat another in custody, after shooting him too. That's aiding a felon, anon. Hope you like eating dick.

>>150779526
When I'm on the jury, I will never vote to convict a friend from killing my enemies, and will lie as much as needed to ensure I'm placed on the jury.

>>150779188
>NoooOoOoOoOoOoo Batman loves corruption in the police force and excessive use of force!!! He’s just like me!

>>150779817
Police aren't nearly brutal enough.

>>150775261
For reference this is something Garner has been used to cover.
If the other guy is running away but he's still armed, the officer can shoot on the reasonable grounds that he may be running for cover or running for a hostage to grab. The idea being he's still to be considered an imminent threat to either the officer or the surrounding community.

>>150759802
>this doesn't make any sense. he isn't green arrow
Something something MORAL CANCER

>>150759524 (OP)
Aren't the police supposed to be corrupt in Gotham? Like literally everything is corrupt and you expect the police to be untouchable flawless angels at all times?

>>150779910
Yes, the problem is that their depiciton of "police corruption" are police acting completely reasonably.

>>150779910
Not after Gordon cleans things up, but that's how it is now.

>>150759524 (OP)
>stealth /pol/ thread

>>150780098
drumpf bought the voting machines

>>150780098
art is inherently political

It's fine for Batman to be against police corruption. That's Batman 101. Being against police brutality is a whole other issue since brutality has been his MO for a while now and it's more than warranted in Gotham obviously. Inventing cops murdering people independent of a corruption scandal or something along those lines is just political strawmanning.

>>150779583
It's funny how fast you fucks go from
>Nooooo all the cops are actually good boys, just a few bad apples, corruption isn't systemic, be nice to cops!

To

>Actually corrupt cops are heckin based chads, I'm totally willing to give up all my rights as long as I get to own the lib that lives rent free in my head!

>>150780051
If they were more accurate, they'd face a defamation suit from the FOP (Federal Order of Police)

>>150781197
There was a time that I would prefer they be arrested instead, but you just let them back out anyway, and I have nigger fatigue.

>>150782782
Coontown does this to you.

>>150777861
>Gotham Central provides a fairly optimistic outlook of the GCPD
No, it doesn't. There is a full bar were the police officers hangs together and discuss corrupt deals and all is portrayed in the most comical way. Hell, the ending of the series is basically the most doomer shit possible.

>>150782914
Most of the cast were flawed but good, and they had a few bad people there that were difficult to get rid of.

>>150759524 (OP)
tbf it is pretty justified; the GCPD is run by freakin’ vandal savage and all the good cops Batman’s associated with have been either forced out or put in a humiliating role

he kinda has to play nasty

>>150780334
No it isn’t.

>>150783230
You're wasting your time. /co/mblr thinks cops being anything but cartoon bad guys is a big no no

>>150783838
>Posting this in a thread where half the posts are crying "how dare you be mean to the heckin' good boy coperinos!"

>>150783882
Yes and the other half are fags crying, too stupid to understand that criticism because
>Cops =evil
in their brainwashed mind

>>150759524 (OP)
It's really hard for me to believe this shit. These people are crazy

>>150759524 (OP)
one of these days i am going to write comics, because it seems if these spineless rainbow haired faggots can do it then so can i

>thread somehow keeps getting pushed even after people pointed out it makes sense in the actual issue and dealing with crooked cops being a staple in Batman stories
You can tell someone is using this to sneak in /pol/shit ragebait to farm engagement.

>>150785441
The issue was retarded, enjoy paying $5 for slop.

>>150785441
cops shooting active shooters isn't "crooked" thougheverbeit

>>150785597
The guy wasn't armed, but he was part of an armed crew who had just killed a guy and he thought resisting arrest was a good idea.

>>150783838
No, he is posting about a series that has a number dedicated of how Gotham police kills a runaway kid because she was a witness of them getting a cut of a drug dealer. And they almost get away of it until they fall for a obvious trap of a supervillain. Like, how can someone read that as being portraying the police in a good light? The one that doesn't read comics is him of all people.

>>150785876
sounds like they should have done something like that, instead of "corruption is when u kill violent criminals"

>>150785876
Those were two bad guys who were introduced, set up a conflict, and then dealt within the same issue. The two heroic cops of the story were trying to find enough evidence to arrest them, but in a recurring theme of the book, that was difficult to do both when playing the rules and when bending them (like when Montoya screwed up the investigation into Corrigan).

>>150783483
>all the good cops Batman’s associated with have been either forced out or put in a humiliating
That's actually pretty unique. For all the satire of American policing, the last time I saw commentary on that was when Alex Murphy's death was a satire of what certain precincts were found to be doing to "uncooperative" officers during the KNAPP commission.
A modern take on that taking on the more modern Garcetti v. Ceballos whistleblower punishments is pretty cool honestly

OP is a fag thinking this is Batman's first rodeo not being in the GCPD's good graces

>>150787008
Cops are 100% fucked in the court of public opinion. And trotting out a JaTyrone DeStrawman isn't going to work anymore.

>>150787310
I dont hate cops

>>150787399
Good for you. Now you have to convince the rest of the country.

>>150759802
>batman's the only super-hero who works WITH the police

i think he started the trend, I noticed a ton of aughts comics starting to follow the same pattern where the superhero has their analog of detective gordon.

for supergirl it was some black guy in a suit, i feel like wolverine also had one at some point. also ironically the shadow is written like that sometimes.

>>150787310
Nah, this is a luxury belief among affluent libs/lefties.

>>150786174
They were two guys hanging in the open on a previously established bar full of other equally corrupted cops, all of them openly talking about doing racketeering schemes. The only cops portrayed as decent were the MCU members, the detective from IA, the patrolman victim of Dr Phosphorus and maybe Atkins. The last one maybe not considering he was fired and replaced with Gordon.

>>150759524 (OP)
>Matt Fraction Uses Batman To Spout Anti-Police Nonsense
I can't help but notice the ever-increasing number of not-so-stealth /pol/ threads and open racism infecting /co/ and all the other boards. It's really gotten bad, especially since last November. Oh well, too late to do anything about it now, the dumbass shitbrain who used to run this festering sewer should have deleted the Nazi cancer board when he had the chance. I hope he gets his head caved in by a skinhead.

>>150788918
Nigger.

>>150759524 (OP)
>Anti-Police
>Nonsense
Lol talk about an oxymoron

Why don't we send these people to a synagogue or mosque for rehabilitation? Surely if they commit any offenses to their new hosts, they'll turn the other cheek and accept responsibility right?

>>150759524 (OP)
>Matt Fraction Uses Batman To Spout Anti-Police Nonsense
Can the midget do this, though?

Batman literally gets shot at by the police all the time. Gordon and maybe Montoya are the only "good" cops he is willing to work with. Superheroes is kind of an inherently anti-cop genre because if they could actually solve problems then heroes wouldn't be needed in the first place.