Thread 150772250

Editorialbros….. We can't catch a fucking break

>>150772250 (OP)
I don't know how to feel about this honestly

didn't they also retcon wanda and magneto's relationship?

HAAAAAAAAAAAA Fucking based.

>>150772250 (OP)
Doesn't this imply that the main Rivals Spider-Man does go through OMD, though?

>>150772250 (OP)
Why is it that these chinamen are better at caring for our superhero’s than their own parent companies?

It's weird that some of these cast members haven't interacted until now due to hailing from separate universes/timelines
>Daredevil comes from a timeline where most of New York's heroes are dead
>Psylocke is from a more old school Japan
>Captain America woke up in 2099, and Black Widow has lived that long thanks to her serum
>Krakoa mutants get flung into the 2099 future too, but originate from a different timeline
>Scarlet Witch is sorceress supreme of her dimension, lost Pietro, and implied to have M Day'ed her reality thus making her unpopular with other timeline mutants
>Black Panther is full on Wakandan Space Empire

Correct me if I'm wrong but hardly anyone shares the same timeline in this story, right?

>>150773466
yeah, the one from dd's home dimension is the one that had the reverse omd.

As always, OMD obsessives are retarded.

Peter would happily face the devil to save his wife and child. He'd do it for a fucking stranger.

OMD is a shitty story, but the decision Pete makes in it is in character. In the story- the one on the page, not the one that's in your fucking imagination- the only thing that he's selling is a bit of cosmic trivia that punishes a little corner of his and a little corner of MJ's soul. That's it. Mephisto doesn't even get the pieces! Just the satisfaction. Not his soul, not MJ's, no daughters. None of that happens. Everything that you all say constantly is fanfiction.

Why does he sell it?
Pete is driven, every day, by his failures. But especially Ben, who gave him the core to be a good person when it wasn't easy for him, and who, through inaction, Peter feels like he caused to die.

To not do anything in his power to save Ben's wife- May- would be to complete his failure. To seal him as the worst thing to ever happen to that kindly couple that took in a brother's child.
To no-deal Mephisto and let May die of the ramifications of *his* decision to unmask, when there is a no-death option on the table would be insanely out of character. Of course, he wouldn't do it unless he'd exhausted all the other options, which is what the issues leading up to the deal are all about. As I've said before, it's a stupid book so those things all failing are all stupid. But the fundamental nugget is, would Pete let May die, partly due to a choice he made, when there was another option on the table?

If the answer to you is an obvious no, I would say you're straight up not a Spider-Man fan. You don't get him, you never have. Try Batman.

Be mad at Straczynski and Quesada all you want. Be mad at Marvel for not reversing course in the intervening years. Be mad at Brevoort for that quote you all obsessively choose to misunderstand. But fuck off with your shitty fanfic about a book that already sucks.

>>150773788
Hey, Brevoort. Could you please describe the taste of Quesada's penis in full detail?

>>150772250 (OP)
Based chinese?
>>150773466
Not really, base rivals peter has a dead may.

>>150773540
There's only 4 main timelines people are from.

There's the main 616 esque world where the FF, Iron man, spiderman, squirrel girl, Cloak and dagger, most x-men, etc are from.

2099, which is where Peni, Black Widow, Punisher, Captain America are from. (Krakoa of the main verse went through a portal and is now here)

Space timeline, which the guardians, and Black Panther

Fucked up Dimension, which is the current focus, with Iron Fist, Magik, Scarlet Witch.

I'm not sure which timeline Yggsgard stuff is in, but it might be Main.

>>150773788
>If the answer to you is an obvious no, I would say you're straight up not a Spider-Man fan. You don't get him, you never have. Try Batman.
If your character means nothing save self-sacrifice, then they are a one-note joke of a person and should never have left the pulps they were born to.

>>150773788
Peter was literally told by god that he had a good life right before. And may literally told him she was happy dying. hat's the problem. And again, having a character do a deal with the devil.

And come on, OMD doesnt exist for any other reason than a group of people being mad the character was married. You can disguise it with any in-universe thing that you want but its an arc that fundamentally only exists becuase quesada, breevort and the bnd lot of writers, HATED married spider-man, and so they had him do a deal with the devil to undo it. It has objectively killed any and all writing ability in a character that before was determined by youth, becuase they want to believe he's defined by youth, which if that was the case, then spider-man doesnt function as a character.

And no one's misinterpreting breevort's quote. Breevort just doesnt understand spider-man.

Based chinese?

>>150773788
>To not do anything in his power to save May would be to complete his failure
No, it would be an opportunity for his growth via parallelism. In the beginning, he unknowingly causes Ben to die because of his immaturity. In the end, he allows May, an elderly woman, to die. And he does so because he's sufficiently at peace with his guilt over Ben in order to take responsibility and choose his daughter and wife -which is what May would want anyway. He ultimately fails in the worst way to take responsibility by regressing to the role of a child saving his caretaker, not a man choosing his child.

>>150773940
And again, this is all written backwards to begin with. Its all a naked attempt at backtracking a cahracter, and the end result has been 15 years of the character doing absolutely nothing, becuase the BND crew ABHORS peter being an actual character and not endlessly repeating two plot points.

>>150773540
>Correct me if I'm wrong but hardly anyone shares the same timeline in this story, right?
vampire timeline: cloak and dagger, fantastic four, iron man, moon knight, spider-man, squirrel girl, dr strange, bucky, thor, loki, hela, hawkeye, namor, magneto, wolverine, luna snow, iron fist
2099 timeline: black widow, captain america, punisher, peni
knull(?) timeline: groot, rocket, mantis, starlord, black panther, venom, jean grey

>>150773954
You could just say "Main" timeline, not "Vampire". The Guardians and Jean are from the main timeline too, just the cosmic location differs. The mutants of Krakoa could be from the main timeline, but they make it a point that they get displaced and the island now inhabits 2099. Black Panther is up in the air because their space empire exists in modern times too.

Matt is from some unrelated world not connected to anyone, yet found himself in Iron Fist's capital city

>>150773994
Being fair, rivals's mainline doesnt match with any specific timeframe for 616 either.

Venom's still eddie post king in black, krakoa exists, black panther is actually in charge of the empire of wakanda, spidey is dating/married to mj, ultron's still a villain as is loki.

>>150773788
At what point does Peter ask "would May want me to do this to save her?" because selling out his own future is not something May would be on board with at all

>>150774013
What if we just call it "Mock 616"?

>>150773788
no, it's not in character because he's a catholic, you faggot. also it's not in character for dr strange or mr fantastic not being able to save aunt may's life from a gun wound.

>>150773932
May being happy dying doesn't change the fact that, indirectly, in a small way, he killed her.

Characters do deals with the devil- literally and figuratively- constantly. And Mephisto isn't even the devil.

I'm fine with out of universe reasons for hating OMD. It's a shitty book by a wildly overrated author. You don't like why they did it, good for you. They weren't mad that he was married, they thought it was, long term, bad for business.
You will, predictably, say that they were wrong and it killed the book, but it didn't, sales for everything started petering (ha) off in 2008, etc. They have more and better data than you; if it was half as poisonous to sales as you all seem to believe there's no chance in hell Axel Alonso would have ended up EIC. (And he shouldn't have; he should have been fired for being asleep at the wheel on Sins Past)
You don't know how to use objectively correctly and the character does seem to function as a character.

You do misunderstand the quote.
The quote is that when people aren't angry, sales are soft.
That does not correlate to "we make books specifically to piss people off". A rational reading of that quote is "if we aren't pissing off *some* people, then we are playing it too safe, and when we play it safe it gives people permission to check out and sales go down."

This has led to a mass delusion of persecution by a gaggle of mouth breathing retards who make it a life mission to ruin all discussion of spider -man anywhere forever unless they get their way, where they imagine Marvel editorial as this insane, handwringing cabal of supervillains out to punish the true fans and not a bunch of fans working as niche publishers to make the rent.

>Fans, they can't be fans they disagree with me that means they hate everything
Not how it works. Didio was absolutely a fan of comics. I hated pretty much every decision he made and everything he loved best, but he was a fan through and through.

>>150773932
>Breevort just doesnt understand spider-man.
Shooter was right about these faggs, RIP

>>150773940
There is no child. The "kid" is Mephisto, making the choice more painful on purpose. He literally transforms on panel. No reading ability, opinion is fanfiction, discarded.

>>150774016
No. But that's not what the question is, is it?
The question is, can Pete live with having been in part responsible for killing may, after having been in part responsible for killing Ben?
He can't. That would be the complete failure. To misunderstand that is to misunderstand Spider-Man, like the other guy with his "actually it would be cool if he was just like "she would want it this way"". That's not how Pete thinks. That's never been how Pete thinks.

>>150774094
He's not Catholic. He's non-specifically protestant. You really think his and Matt's shared religion would have *never* come up in 60 years?
He's never said he's Catholic on panel.
He doesn't attend known Catholic churches and he doesn't do any major Catholic practices.

>Also it's not in character for Dr strange or Mr fantastic
Why don't you try reading what you're replying to. I said that myself. OMD is a shitty book.

>>150774138
Again, if the person is accepting it and tells peter to be happy, it does hurt it.

Mephisto is a devil. And yeah, its always presented as bad/biting you in the ass. Its the point

>they werent mad he was married
They absolutely were, becuase fundamantelly they grew up with that era. They ltierally hold that it aged peter too much, and that he's defined by youth despite only being in high school for 28 issues.
They also have a vested intrest in framing it as a positive thing, becuase fundamentally its just fandom thing (and again, back then we had ACTUAL sales numbers, and they were worse than they had been pre OMD). The newspaper, reverted that in a year because it was so unpopular, almost as if a thing they had no influence backed down . Didio did blunder after blunder, he was still in charge for a decade. Disney doesnt GAF about comic sales, ofc they had no actual impact. You know what in-groups are, right?
It is in opposition to the prior 50 years of the character, but im sure breevort and quesada know more than that!

That's..not the quote. I am talking about his ass backwards bible for the character. But the "make readers angry" quote is also pretty stupid. Its why breevort is the editor who managed to make avengers not sell despite being the biggest movies EVER. And managed to make x-men not sell. I dont think they're doing shit to punish fans, but come on, breevort is absolutely a "i know best" type, dude literally cant stop putting his feet in his mouth (see the ai shit).

Didio was absolutely not a fan of most comics tho, he very openly hated a lot of stuff, and the stuff he hated he treated poorly. And he was specifically hired BECAUSE he wasnt a huge dc fan.

I do not understand going to bat for OMD, on any level. Its a shit story, made for a shit reason, that has led the character to writers who refuse to actually do anything with him for 15 years, where the only shit people remmeber are the times he gets replaced.

>>150773932
Shooter was always based

>>150774138
I cannot believe anyone but breevort would defend his retardation

>>150774395
Yeah cant really buy it

>>150774395
>Leave the shitty comic editor alone

>>150772250 (OP)
Based netease

>>150774211
Indeed he was

>>150774437
/thread

>>150774395
Everybody knows the intent behind it, or that this intent is the sole driving point so arguing about its artistic value is worthless. It's not even a story, it's a badly-written mouthpiece.
It's like discussing black characters in a Youtube film called "All Niggers Must Die" by the user RaHoWa1488HeilHitler.

>>150774459
The worst thing is that it fails at its intent, becuase making peter and mj's marriage so pure that the devil wants it, inherently means there's an expectation the story will be reversed.

>>150773788
GOD HIMSELF told Peter to let May die. Peter was given a comfort literally everyone on planet earth would AND HAS killed for; that heaven is both real and their loved ones are guaranteed a space there.

And then he pissed all of that away, and for what? To salvage his bruised ego, entirely at the expense of May herself and Peter's own future? Fuck out of here with that shit.

>>150774477
May herself told him. And he did everything he could, he went to every single person he knew. He tried. No one can ask more of him.

>>150774343
We agree that OMD is a shit story.
Everything else you said is a fanfiction you've been telling yourself for a long time to feel righteous.
We had actual sales numbers. But it was 2008, they switched to a new format, and Civil War was over. Again, they have better data than us checking comichron. They have more than one person whose job it is to crunch that stuff.

>In opposition to the prior 50 years of the character
Pete and MJ were married in 1987, and the af#15 was published in 61. So no. That's not right on really any level.
>You know what in groups are
Do you know what the fundamental attribution error and self serving bias are?

>Brevoort's manifesto
That really sucked. We agree.

>The quote
Didio is absolutely a fan. His passionate, if awful and misguided "I can't wait for fans to meet the Real Flash" editorial note is not a thing you get from an uninterested widgets maker. He did hate some stuff. Most fans hate some stuff.

>I can't understand going to bat for OMD for any reason

I want to discuss Spider-Man without the conversation always being about this fucking shitty book. Part of it is calling out insane liars who have replaced the shitty book with their even shittier fanfiction and then going on insane rants about how the marvel universe has to be rebooted because Peter sold his unborn child.
Which is stone cold head canon. It's explicitly untrue on the page.
If calling bad faith liars liars for lying about a book I keep saying over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over is bad counts as "going to bat for OMD", sure, whatever.

>>150772250 (OP)
This destroys the Gwenschizo.

>>150774489
Not an answer to my point. "No one can ask more" is not a driving feature for guilt based Peter Parker
>>150774477
To be honest, that book also sucks, but even God showing up doesn't change the calculus. May saying let me go doesn't change the calculus.

The calculus is Peter looking in the mirror the next day knowing he could have done something to save May from the consequences of his actions. May, the woman that raised him.
If you think him being given that choice and him saying "a creepy stranger that was probably God told me to let her die, and she's ready to go, so let me go just bang it out with MJ and try and conceive that cute lil redhead Mephisto was talking about" is Spider-Man, how about you just fuck off out of here.

>>150774500
You keep saying that, but your the one assuming that people are impartial with their own interests, come on. No one ever is.

Again, we have actual sales number, sales objectively got worse. And no one admits that they made sales get worse, you'd have to be stupid for that.

Not talking about JUST the marriage, im talking about peter being a dynamic growing character. And taht OMD by reversing one of the biggest shifts in the character put a stop to that, becuase the people who did it view peter as someone who should never change.. the marriage itself lasted 20 years (well one extended due to spider-man 3, always funny to me). I do think its hilarious that they expect people to get over OMD despite not being over the marriage during that timeframe just you know, zero ability to reflect.

YES!! That's exactly the issue with expecting that anyone involved in OMD would say "no man it was a failuire and made sales worse" my god.

Okay good, yeah its dumb :)

Eh, he was a fan of dc up to the 70s. He hadnt been a fan in years and that is why he was hired.

Dude, this is a thread about a chinese game doing a "haha OMD sucks" moment, that is framed as an OMD sucks thread. You're..gonna get people shitting on OMD. I dont think marvel should EVER reboot. But again, they've always been open about why they did OMD, and that breevort is an absolute "my era or nothing" type is contiously proven.
Idk, it seems like that, when you kept defending them. Especially over stuff where they keep saying it. Breevort wrote a literal bible.

>>150774566
Peter doesnt even remember OMD tho. So he quite literally doesnt have that guilt. That basically destroys the whole argument.

>>150774566
Peter has always tried, but that's the thing, he doesnt always suceeed. Gwen died due to him, he eventually moved on.

>>150774567
Don't bother. It's the one jms sucks fag.

>>150774500
Nothing of this changes this>>150774459

>>150774570
A fraction of his soul is screaming forever, which is his price. He doesn't have the guilt any which way, because he made the choice to save May.
>>150774576
He absolutely still feels guilty about Gwen. He's moved on, but her death is a definitive moment. How can you be missing that?
>>150774567
I don't expect them to be like "oh shit we exploded sales" but they were run by Perlmutter at the time.
Perlmutter once famously came into the building and took all the coffee machines because he thought writers standing around drinking coffee was stealing from him. He was a deep meddler, and he made huge margins of profit (at one point I saw something like 80%).
Now contrast that guy with the hyperbole of a 4chan poster. If the sales were as bad as is frequently alleged, Perlmutter would have given Trump a Quesada skin rug when he got tapped for Veteran Affairs a few years later.

>>150772250 (OP)
I knew I liked the game

>>150774628
Again still not adressing the elephant in the posts.

>>150774601
But that's nothing?
That's an argument that art with intent you don't like is invalid, or made by monsters. It's absolutely insane to equate people who like single superheroes with Nazis, or imply that they can't make meaningful art- and if you really feel that strongly about Spider-Man 's marriage you need therapy, not comics. That's psychotic.

>>150774628
He has, but he's been able to live with himself since, and may herself telling him he should move on, would be factored in.

And come on, him not having to deal with his guilt absolutely removes its own price. He would have guilt about it, hes spider-man.

>>150774645
Because the elephant is insanity? I addressed that right away.

>>150774648
Its that, you cannot divorce OMD from its intent, because its nothing BUT its intent. And its intent is stupid.

>>150774654
What guilt? He saved May. What is he supposed to feel guilty about? Making the choice to save her life?
Sure, he can't remember, but he made the choice that would have assuaged the guilt. So unless you're delving back into the fanfiction version of the story, I don't know what you're talking about.

>>150774628
Perlmutter only made one comic descion and entirely for the other media stuff, everything else was separate. And again, these were people who were bragging in the forums, they would have pointed to the actual hard numbers if they could.

Dude, its the reported sales, you're the one trying to say there's a second secret number that we dont know about. And again, even if quesada tanked spider-man sales, everything else was selling well during his active tenure. And its been years, and they've never even said that, they always dodge the sales question and only bring up superior which was wayy later.

>>150774677
That he ended his marriage? And come on, its implied MJ's pregnant at the start of the story. And its literlaly the opposite of what may told him to do, to move on.

And its a deal with the devil, there's no way you CANT feel guilty about it. And we know, IN-universe since, that peter has been miserable since OMD anyways.

>>150774628
Dude marvel legacy happened when perlmutter noted conservative was in charge, he didnt give a shit.

>>150773493
because it's basic common sense that this stupid idea would ruin spiderman and what he stands for. also, any normal person would also let their granny aunt leave this realm if it meant keeping their wife and child

>>150774628
You came to a thread making fun of omd to post this man.

>>150774702
Its almost as if making a character all about responsibility, act irresponsible, would make people upset???

>>150774657
This is just a whine. It's not a point, it's not an argument, it's not an elephant.

It's fine that you think that the intent is stupid. I also think it is a bad book.

The intent is not automatically stupid. It is not an axiomatically "bad" thing to like single Peter or think it would be good for business. The *idea* to resolve this with a devil figure and a setup that makes no sense is retarded work by overrated hacks, but the intent to do single Pete is not automatically bad, regardless of whether you or I like it. I personally don't have a problem with single Pete, I do think it opens up more story options. I also was perfectly content with married Pete. I think if editorial wanted single Pete, they should have just gotten fucking divorced like it looked like they were going to several times before.
I would have preferred we stuck with unmasked Pete, or Teacher Pete, personally, but none of us got what we wanted out of that shitty book.
But still, the book is the book, not the fucking fanfiction people make of it.

>>150773540
>Wakandan Space Empire
This remains the lamest thing marvel has ever done with any character. It just sucks on every conceivable level.

Marvel interns are really getting desperate, lmao.

>>150772250 (OP)
Wait, isn't Rivals spidey like fresh outta college considering most of the older heroes still call him a kid?

>>150774754
Something bad must have happened behind the scenes again for them to come back to 4chan to bitch and moan like this.

>>150774690
Again with the fanfiction.
>>150774716
The decision was responsible and in character, it's the plot that's bad.
>>150774682
>Second secret set of numbers
There's no second secret set of numbers. They have more information, and the sort of cultish belief that sales dropped 90000% is obviously false. Sales overall of Spider-books dropped, but it was
2008
Just after the end of an explosively popular crossover event
Suddenly a $12 a month commitment for one book
And yes, Brand New Day was also a great jumping off point.

Sales dropped for everything. Retards in here would line up monthly sales for some of the best months in comics since the 90s and compare them to sales during the worst economic market since Reagan and say "see? It's because of this particular thing that bothers me". It was and is insane.

>>150774764
See >>150773670
It's a multiverse one who did reverse OMD, not the real one. View it as something like pic related. Miles Morales did a deal with Mephisto, not Spider-Man 1610.

>>150774808
That's fine but why would Peter be choked up about it? He hasn't experienced anything like that yet. He'd be taken a back but not to the extent he's written as in the story. Especially given most of his voice lines and how he sounds way to young.

>>150774638
>MJ Plush

This better be anatomically accurate.

>>150772250 (OP)
Hyuck hyuck

>>150773352
Kind of. Wanda in the game is from a different universe (a dying universe where she's one of the last heroes still standing), but in that one, Magneto was very much her father, and there's no indication the Wanda from the main 616-esque universe wasn't either (it's implied she is deceased now for some time), as her and Magneto treat each other as father and daughter in their interactions.

>>150774648
He is not EQUATING it you intellectually disingenuous retard, he is giving an exaggerated example.

>>150773908
There's one additional, which is more or less Demon Days, the miniseries, unaltered, which this game's Psylocke is from. But she was pulled from it by the Collector rather than crossing over herself, so it's not one of the four main timelines.

>>150774638
>>150772250 (OP)
I presume they mean Mayday as well

>>150774850
>with great power comes great responsibility

>>150774808
No, you see, when black people deal with the devil and do immoral shit, it is good, and wholesome and beautiful, because they are an OPRESSED MINORITY and that makes everything okay

>>150773493
Because white people only know how to destroy and don't value the concept of family. Quesada's marriage destroyed? Gotta ruin this fictional marriage.

>>150773788
Cope OMD/BNDfag.

>>150775181
>Quesada
>White

LOL
LMAO even

>>150772250 (OP)
Uh, fucking based? Although I'm admittedly a bit annoyed, because now I want to actually see this version. Like, the fuck does Mayday's speech look like in that version?
>"Damn dad. You finally got over yourself. Good job, old man!"

>>150774808
It really astounding how much more sense this makes with Miles. He's a teenager and the stakes are much more understandable. I can't help but feel that this story was done to try and validate OMD, but all it did was even further highlight why the original didn't work.

>>150774240
https://youtu.be/_R1tmbrdEzU?si=lUEYjVvcvuesVUXY
https://youtu.be/oqdiN5cFgZs?si=ywYYiA0lwkTxSkdQ

>>150773493
It's kind of the same on both sides, but appears different depending on where you are.
Familiarity breeds contempt, to those who didn't grow up with foreign media it seems novel and precious.

In Japan there are mangaka who ascribe to Brevoort's philosophy where they intentionally try to provoke their readership even at the expense of their work and career usually early or late in it due to not seeing manga as anything but disposable pulp, in fact a lot of people even grow out of manga and see anyone still reading it as an adult as a hopeless Otaku. On /a/ however ruined, axed and eternal hiatus manga is met with serious mourning.

I imagine it's the same for people who didn't grow up with superhero comics always on the shelves, the theatrics of a costumed life can be a curiosity to unfamiliar eyes, and the idea of Peter's continued adventures and success isn't a certainty month to month, so whatever they manage to absorb of his story probably feels more significant (probably the same way a dub for even the most middling anime seemed precious in the early days of it making its way to the West) whereas to some Westerners who know his series is a cash cow it's all just factory line print where anything can be retconned, rebooted or just plain endured to keep things going.

>>150773788
May told Peter she was fine dying and was happy to finally be with Ben
God came down from heaven to talk to Peter and tell him everything was going to be okay and shows him a glimpse of the future where he’s at home with MJ and his kids

>>150775371
>In Japan there are mangaka who ascribe to Brevoort's philosophy where they intentionally try to provoke their readership even at the expense of their work and career
Infinite Stratos guy and who else?

>>150775776
Eh, that was the author not liking how fans preferred every other girl but the one he was writing the book for

Actual example would be Sekirei where the author got fed up with the book's popularity and just torpedoed everything because she felt stuck writing it and her other series failed

>>150772250 (OP)
>to save his marriage and his daughter
So how much of a fuck up was that Peter that he was about to make a deal with the devil to save his marriage? Not his wife and kid, but his marriage and daughter.

>>150775163
bendis moment

>>150774780
Again, if they had more information, they would upload it.I never said it was 900000 percent, just that they dropped, dont put stuff in my mouth. And sales didnt just drop compared to back in black/civil war, they dropped compared to how they had ben since 2001 man.
Sure, and it was also meant to be a startnig on point, where it didnt suceed due to that sales drop off.

Nothing dropped on that level, ASM's sales were the only with that steep a drop off. And secret invasion was still huge. Hell between 2007 and 2008 there wasnt actually any big difference in overall comic sales, sales actually gre 6 million!

>>150774780
Marvel has never argued BND sells well, what they've always argued is that it let them get writers who didnt want to write the marriage, and tell new exciting stories. The fact nearly all of BND is forgotten a decade after, and the most popular BND writer is hyper divisive, says it all.

>>150773788
I see that tom is already tearing his asshole with his fingernails in rage

Marvel should had let Aunt may Die and bring her back rejuvenated in her 40's during dark reign as the new spider-woman made by norman

>>150772250 (OP)
And we are to see Spider-Man as a hero? A hero that made a deal with EVIL.

>>150778935
This is why Wally West The Flash is a better Hero than Spider-Man.

>>150773788
Well, well, well.. If it isn't the devil worshiper. You butt buddies with Luci? Get a load of this CHAOS faggot.

>>150773788
Peter would do anything the writer writes him doing idiot

>>150772250 (OP)
>Editorialbros….. We can't catch a fucking break
And that's a good thing. It's amazing that a piece of dogshit like One More Day got published in the first place. Those editors deserve all the butthurt they get.

>>150772250 (OP)
Since Pietro is confirmed, his dialogue with Wanda will be plapable with sexual tension...

>>150779450
He's not confirmed at all??

>>150774748

Wez wuz espace impire and shat

>>150772250 (OP)
I mean, there's indeed a spiderverse.

>>150773493
No women making creative decisions

>>150775163
Except Miles was using desperate measures to save a best friend who had a whole life ahead of her. That is FAR more sensible that trying to save an old bag that literally wanted to die.

I get you have a hateboner for Miles and will say anything to justify it, but you just end up looking like a moronic jackass here.

>>150782311
>That is FAR more sensible that trying to save an old bag that literally wanted to die.
It is ironic how she is what the writers claimed MJ to be.

>>150781742
But it’s the men making the awful decisions

Good.

>>150773788
Fuck you Nick you need to be jobless for what you’ve done to marvel. Kill yourself.

>>150773493
Anon, maybe re-read the whole thing.
That Spider-man was so shit at keeping his marriage going that the only way he thought he could save it was divine (unholy) intervention.
That's just as bad a character assassination as the regular shit Marvel's writers put him through.

>>150772250 (OP)
Wtf I love China now?

>>150785328
No it means the assassin hit MJ like originally planned and he bargained for her and the baby
What this actually means in the long run is that Mephisto knew the timeline wouldn't survive and essentially played with his food before eating it

>>150785474
Anon, your whole thing would make sense if the text read "he made a deal with the devil to save his WIFE and daughter". But it doesn't.
I know 4chan is infested with ESL but marriage is not really a synonym for wife.

>>150785491
and unless MJ was planning an abortion is doesn't make sense that way

>>150785667
That's wholly irrelevant to the fact that they ended up writing Peter to be in a failing marriage.
Besides, why do you think it has to be an abortion? Shit could be a miscarriage from the times that Peter has his Hank moments. Shit would make perfect sense.
>Peter gets overwhelmed with stress over Clone shit
>sends a pregnant MJ flying across the room with a backhand, leading to a miscarriage
>MJ files for divorce
>Peter makes a deal with Mephisto to make it so that none of that shit ever happened, saving his marriage and daughter in the process

>>150785782
And again the only instance of the deal is the assassination of which MJ was the target.

>>150786008
The only instance of the deal in 616*
Shits a multiverse. You don't know when the fuck that deal was made in that elseworld.

>>150786032
>that elseworld
It's not just "that elseworld", it's most likely collapsing timeline elseworld. See: >>150774955

>>150785782
Shit suckers who are FAILING in and argument will throw everything under a bus if it means they win.

Marvel comics spider everything is irredeemably shit. Thats a fact.

>>150773788
>Be mad at Brevoort for that quote you all obsessively choose to misunderstand
There is nothing to misunderstand. Marvel Rivals is damaged because of this guy. Chinks are the ones in the right for blaming editorials for their potential failure of the game.

>>150785491
>esl
Anon, what language do they speak in china...
>>150785782
Tbh, its probably just that MJ was in danger cause demons were overruning the world, and peter did a deal to reverse it somehow , but mephisto got a last laugh in anyways.

>>150786799
>Anon, what language do they speak in china...
Mandarin, Pinyin, Guangzhou, Huizhou, Hakka, Bai, Cai-long, Tibeto-Burman, Tibeto-Kanauri, Jingpo, Mishmi, Kradai, and a whole fuckton of others.

>>150786846
So they would at most be english second language, no?

>>150786858
Yes, now what does that have to do with 4CHAN being infested with ESL? Or are you insinuating that the entirety of 4chan is Chinese?

>>150773788
>Of course, he wouldn't do it unless he'd exhausted all the other options, which is what the issues leading up to the deal are all about.
So you're telling me that Spider-Man went to Doctor Strange, the FF4 AND Black Panther and none of their advanced sorcery or technology could heal a fucking bullet wound?

>>150786923
Anon, are you just hating on OMD just because the angry people on the internet told you to? Because you'd already know the answer regarding some of these if you had read the thing you're supposed to be mad about.

>>150786875
I am saying that the game text is written by ESLs too anon.

>>150788213
This'd float if only Marvel Rivals wasn't being developed by NetEase in conjunction with California based Marvel Division Marvel Games.

>>150788285
>Marvel Rivals wasn't being developed by NetEase in conjunction with California based Marvel Division Marvel Games
>still hire an ex-Concord artist to work on Insomniac Wolverine anyway

>>150773788
I didn’t know comic creatives and execs still came on /co/
I thought we fell off harder than that

>>150773493
It's all part of the plan by China to gain soft power through pop culture, like Korea did with Kpop and Japan did with Manga and anime.

>>150781742
You are a genuine troglodyte if you believe women have any form of input at Marvel, even after Quesada it's still very well a boy's club.

>>150772250 (OP)
Based.

>>150775890
Daredevil is from the Collapsing Timeline, A Bad End universe where most heroes are dead and humanity had to take refuge on K'un L'un and its sister cities.

So it's not that Spidey is a fuck up, it's that he just couldn't do shit.

>>150773493
Jews and women

>>150782311
>immigrant deserves to decide the fate of the natives
Thanks Obama.
Thanks Kamala.

>>150792128
>immigrant deserves to decide the fate of the natives
Worked for the pilgrims when they met the injuns.

>>150792164
How many native American presidents and president candidates are there?

>>150792215
>implying whites would let them out of their casino reservations

>>150792260
Now post enlistment rate by race.

>>150792358
Why? Indians and Chinks would just mog that shit by virtue of there being more Indians in India and Chinks in China than the entirety of the white nations combined.

>>150792395
How is this relevant? The country hosting the patient zero of COVID has not received any sanction whatsoever and your president just recently took a vaxx again.

>>150792458
>How is this relevant?
Anon, you asked for enlistment rate by race, which isn't going to be won by whites simply by virtue of global populations.
You asked a stupid question, don't be upset that the answer just emphasizes how dumb the question was.

>>150792458
Do you really want the fact that covid not only not real but what it actually is and what the vaxxx dud to people to be brought up?

Anon, every major government agency, oligarch, and company will be on trial fir crimes against humanity.

>>150792511
>stepped back
>still haven't answered this question >>150792215

>>150792562
>still asks this dumb question like whitey would let any race hold the office of president
The fact that Obama managed to do a full two terms is nothing short of a miracle.

>>150788318
...alright, disregard the repulsive face for a moment.

what the FUCK is that outfit? is she trying to murder Emma by sheer secondhand embarrassment? WHY IS IT A SINGLE SOLID SHADE OF GREEN???

please tell me she's never worn something that fucking hideous in the comics

>>150792904
The color might be a nod to her OG Marvel Girl costume, but they really need to break it up with another color like how the OG did it with yellow accessories.

>>150788574
It's wholesome of Xi Jinping to do this instead of cooperating with Putin to annex Poland which would secure both types of a power. It would've freed Spider-Man storytime threads. On a second thought, it's a shame Xi Jinping doesn't do it.

>>150774946
To add to this, In a text the playable Magneto mentioned seeing his Wanda take her first steps.

>>150788318
Jesus christ
Fire everyone.

>>150788318
That's just how the average white woman look without makeup once they hit 30. No wonder why Hal Jordan is a pedophile.

>>150793406
>Hal Jordan
Is back to dating 30+ year old Carol Ferris. Hell, they even cucked a dude to get back together.

>>150792948
Alternatively make it an actual green dress and not a fucking CW leather jacket with unnecessary details because live-action capeshit does (it's shit when live-action capeshit does it by the way)

>>150772250 (OP)
awful writing

>>150773910
pulps mog comics

>>150791715
This one

>>150772250 (OP)
Brutal

>>150772250 (OP)
What sentai is that?

>>150773352
No