Thread 150786257

How come John Cena succeded where The Rock failed when it comes to super hero productions?
What did Cena do right that The Rock didn't?

>>150786257 (OP)
His skin is different

The Rock's contract being more restrictive (he can never lose or look like a bitch) and Cena simply having more range

>>150786257 (OP)
The Rock insists upon himself.

>>150786257 (OP)
John Cena is willing to look weak or wrong on camera,

>>150786257 (OP)
>Cena
>success
Peacemaker is cancelled

>>150786344
>>150786370
the pebble is a charisma vacuum on screen. he's also extremely insecure and insists he can never lose in his roles. he's inherently feminine and all the muscles in the world don't hide his insecurity and beta soul. now he's trying to become a serious non meathead actor and it won't work either because he cannot fucking act.

>>150786257 (OP)
My GOAT has range and is willing to look weak

Bump

>>150786257 (OP)
The Rock wants to be seen as a flawless godlike figure while John Cena is willing to be seen as a flawed human being.

>>150786257 (OP)
John Cena can take a joke. Rock is pure ego. Which is really astounding for someone who's never made a good movie.

>>150786257 (OP)
Rock is the wrong color, almost successfully took over the wbdc lineup and this:
Hes not willing to go through the rituals.

>>150786257 (OP)
It's a shame really because what was a pretty bad Black Adam movie had parts that could have been a pretty okay JSA movie.

>>150786257 (OP)
Cena is willing to play a character that is flawed and doesn't win all the time.

>>150786411
Canceled =/= Ended

>>150786257 (OP)
Cena has range.

>>150790296
This is exactly what s-o-is say when someone point out the Watchmen TV show was cancelled after one season

>>150786257 (OP)
The Rock wanted to play an anti hero without establishing him as a villain first because of his ego. Cena lucked out getting a show that panders to and is popular with fag millineals but is otherwise not that big

>>150786257 (OP)
The Rock assumes everyone likes him.
John Cena is often liked for his charity work.

>>150786257 (OP)
John Cena didnt try to rock the boat, James Gunn had a vision of a character, and John Cena heard it and went "Yes sir" while The Rock got to big of an ego and tried to steer the ship of an entire franchise. I forgot what actor said it but I think it was the guy who played the Dad in GOTG2 who said that his role is simply a jester and he is there to play his part. When being a part of any production you need to know your role and The Rock didnt but he had so much sway that production was willing to tank the film to meet his demands
Like there are photos of a young Rock in a Black Shazam costume, if he was willing to be that kind of goofy ass lookin motherfucker Im sure that would have waay more potential then what we got

>>150788525
Honestly i have seen Cena wrestling with only shorts for so long in wwe that spotting him completely nude in a serious setting just felt natural, it actually feels weird to see him more than 30 min on screen with most of its clothes on.

Dwayne nearly ruined WrestleMania last year, and successfully ruined WrestleMania this year, and in hindsight ruined what would've been the greatest heel turn of all time.

>>150790402
Antihero and villain are 2 completely different things.

>>150786257 (OP)
Cena can actually act, he has good comedic timing and is not afraid to be the butt o jokes. he uses his experience in WWE to make his fights entertaining, just look at how he took Flag's knee in the interrogation room.

And he's just such a raw emotional actor, like his scream when he asked the 11sk to stop, or when he was playing the piano in S1

>>150790768
For real I didn't think Cena could break out as an actor, his movies were never really that popular and I don't think anybody took him seriously for half his acting career.

>>150790768
The weird thing is Dwayne can also do decent enough comedy and drama, and doesn't mind the joke being on him, but for some reason he was focused on bulldozing his way as some tour de force of the whole DCEU through Black Adam instead of just doing his best with Black Adam and waiting for reception to do the rest like Momoa did with Aquaman.

>>150786411
Even taking that into account:

>The Rock
DC League of Super-Pets
Black Adam film

>Cena
The Suicide Squad
Peacemaker season 1 and 2
Superman cameo
still likely to show up in other DC film/TV stuff

If we assume the Peacemaker show was canceled he's still ahead of The Rock

>>150786257 (OP)
The Rock wants to be the star of everything he is in, and uses being the Heel to become the Face.
John Cena just wants to act, make his money, and go home.

>>150790768
ya the whole show works in spite of its flaws because chris is so believable as a character. adrian too

>>150791681
Let's be honest.
Black Adam did better then every other dceu movie.
While wb was doing its damndest to bury it and not advertise it.
Even now it has the best casting and costumes of nearly any dceu property and with some tweaking coukd have been a jsa movie featuring black Adam.

>>150788525
Is it really a humiliation ritual when you have a body more chiseled than Adonis

>>150792196
the real humiliation there is the ugly sandals

>>150791928
I agree honestly, I actually was talking to someone about the JSA angle being why I appreciated it so much regardless of assumptions or actual intentions with what the future series would be.

And the best part was how succinctly the characters and team were introduced as already active, meaning going forward anyone and everyone could have shown up without fussing over origin and recruitment scenes. That said rumors and press affected the reception, gutting what was about to build up.

>>150786257 (OP)
>How come John Cena succeded where The Rock failed when it comes to super hero productions?

>>150792267
I'm kind of surprised the cameo didn't get more people in theaters

Is the Scorpion King good?

>>150793922
It did better then every dceu movie released at the sahe time with negative publicity from wb.

>>150791928
It did do better than most DCEU films, but I think what hurt it was the high budget and probably that it didn't do big enough in order to justify having The Rock take control of the direction of the DC films. Cause there were a lot of people at WB upset at him for going over their heads to talk to the CEOs instead

I think if the film had been released pre-COVID it would've done way better and at least set a direction to go in. WB after Justice League just seemed to have no idea what direction to go in, think about all the deals and projects going on:

>Matt Reeves The Batman Universe
>Abrams/Coates Black Superman, Abrams Justice League Dark
>Todd Philips Joker
>A new DCEU where Michael Keaton is Batman and Sasha Calle's Supergirl replaces Henry Cavill's Superman
>Gunn's The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker
>Rock's Black Adam
>The CW Universe
>HBO Max Green Lantern show
>Ava DuVernay and Tom King New Gods


Had Black Adam done well they would've been forced to put Cavill back in as Superman whether they went with Sasha Calle Supergirl or not

>>150786257 (OP)
>success
Anon, no one gives a shit about Peacemaker. He’s the second most astroturfed DC character since Harley Quinn.

>>150791681
I think The Rock at some point figured out that people were only watching his movies to see him, which was kind of true, so he stopped playing characters other than himself.

>>150794086
It had a budget of 190 million and made 300 million
The flash cost over a half billion dollars and hsdva superbowl slpy and still dud worse

The problem is that a crash of egos happened and no-one won.

>>150794161
Sure thing, Marvel shill

The Rock is a fucking DIVA

>>150794356
So is rdj
Except rock is cheaper and he can actually put asses in the seats.

>>150793952
No

>>150794161
True, but quite a few people actually like Harley Quinn and at one time she a tangible presence in pop culture. Peacemaker never had any of that and even at his "peak" is less relevant than the lowest viewed CW slop.

>>150788460
Willing to do humiliation rituals for the Jews because he sold his soul. Sure.

HOLY GEMMY I RECOGNIZE THIS YOUTUBE THUMBNAIL KIND SIR THIS IS REALLY EPIC

>>150794466
Hes to fun watch and does what d+ has failed miserably at with 1/10 the budget.

>>150790670
The rock is unironically a better celebrity/influencer than actor, hell he could survive of sponsorships and ads alone without acting or meddling in any kind of creative setting ever again and i bet no one would ever mind, even him.

>>150794399
rock the dwayne johnson?

>>150786364
Yeah, the fact that The Rock isn’t legally allowed to lose fights in his movies is super lame.

>>150786257 (OP)
John Cena and Bastista have significantly more range as an actor despite getting into acting later than Dwayne Johnson. Both are also totally fine playing the supporting character and have the character they play lose. Their acting also isnt a brand like Dwayne Johnson acting is.

>>150794479
>Jews
*Chinks

>>150794404
why not?

>>150790699
>Doesn't know Black Adam's basic character arc
Read more comics

>>150790296
Cope

>>150786257 (OP)
Cena doesn't have an ego

>>150790288
the rock is cooler though

>>150797364
The Rock character is cooler, Dwayne Johnson is a thin-skinned little faggot under roids

>>150797402
duh, that's what i meant, rock cockhard johnson is boring as fuck, also i love how he's like "i never lose" welp you lost on being black adam, bitch

>>150795788
The Mummy movies were better

>>150790296
Don't worry chances are Gunn will outed from the DCU if WB is sold yet fucking again. Then it will both be cancelled and ended.

>>150794356
I can't believe that there people who thought Vin Diesel was in the wrong

>>150786257 (OP)
Cena does have genuine passion for acting.
Johnson just wants to stroke his wallet and ego.
>>150786344
Fpwp

>>150790699
And yet Rock fumbled both out of ego

>>150786257 (OP)
Bad roles

>>150786452
So, he's Steven Seagal just with actual muscles instead of fat?

>>150797548
What about the third one? I only saw Mummy and Mummy Returns.

>>150790670
He clearly wanted The Rock vs Roman Reigns at WM 41. When he didn't get to be the center of attention and had to show up to put over Cena as a heel, he stormed off like a baby and tried to twist it like Travis Scat costing Cody the belt was the plan all along.

>>150786257 (OP)
TheRock Jenkins or whatever his name is is a terrible fucking actor and John Cena is a genuinely personable guy
>the only watchable segments in the 3 FRED movies are when Cena is on screen
he's literally holding FRED's acting career hostage from fading into obscurity so people can call Lucas a shit actor FOREVER, Rock can't compete with that with his absolutely horrendous acting

>>150794989
the duane?

>>150798464
I can't wait to read Cody's inevitable memoir and get his account of what was going on around this year's and last year's WrestleManias.

>>150798464
Who cares about Cody literally who over the rock

>>150798760
I don't care about your movies, Dwayne.

>>150794466
Maybe the actual show doesn't have a lot of viewers, but there must at least be a lot of people watching clips of it online, because Peacemaker's cameo got a huge pop from the audience in my screening of Superman.