Thread 150788721

>That brief period in the late 90s where Disney catered to boys

Damn, what happened

>>150788721 (OP)
do you want a gay thread or a straight thread?

>>150788721 (OP)
>Damn, what happened

Boy media started flopping while CG and Frozen made gangbusters.

>>150788721 (OP)
Tarzan there does things to me.

>>150788740
Straight first, we'll see how it goes from there

>>150788721 (OP)
Disney has never been able to get off the ground with male-targeted stuff. They excel at creating family-friendly/princess material, and things get disastrous when they take the blinders off.

Treasure Planet and Atlantis bombed, despite being two of Disney's coolest movies so they pivoted away from Boys Adventure movies. Sinbad also bombed for Dreamworks so they pivoted to more Shrekky CG comedies.

>>150789160
pacing on both of those was shit, and the incessant need to add comedy relief wrecked it.

Also, fuck Milo, shit MC

>>150789160
>Sinbad also bombed for Dreamworks
Because it's a shit movie. There is a reason why it's the only DreamWorks movie which they didn't submit for Best Animated Feature academy award

GAY SEX

>>150788721 (OP)
>Damn, what happened
Feminist ideologues took over the company and decided to use Disney films to combat the patriarchy.

They catered to boys before that.

>See Peg.

>>150789227
I agree. Movies with strong first halves that fall apart when they get to their destination. Atlantis because the Atlanteans are boring as shit and so is the romance, and Treasure Planet because the robot sucks. But their premises and style and initial sense of adventure are great.

>>150788721 (OP)
Atlantis and Treasure Planet flopped

>>150789494
Atlantis grossed almost the same amount as Emperor's New Groove domestically. It was TP which flopped.

Shame that Atlantis faced that tough competition in theaters

>>150789120
This. Anyone expecting Disney to make boy centric movies is an idiot.

>>150789637
i remember seeing adverts for it everywhere, they must have spent most of the money on advertisement or something, i also remember them selling toys with burger king kids meals aswell (could have been mcds this was like 20 years ago)

>>150789653
Darkwing Duck will like to have a word with you.

>>150788721 (OP)
I legitimately think Tarzan is one of the best Disney movies. It's as good as the best of the rest of the Renaissance and I think it's one of the gems of the company's entire output.

>>150788721 (OP)
test

The main muse Calliope does things to me. I truly believed they cured racism in the 90s.

>>150791022
Race relations in America were fucking awesome for a good 30-year span. Obama and mass immigration fucked it all up and now we're probably gonna get ethnic cleansing in North America sooner or later.

>>150788721 (OP)
Those movies just lived because the short period when animated show designed to sell toys started to withered and they could stealth that niche. Then live action teenage shows became a better vehicle to sell things to kids and Disney decided to cater to the never failing demographic of women.

>>150791054
>probably gonna get ethnic cleansing in North America sooner or later.
How? when? These gen-Zers are too shy and ashamed to ever yell at Trump that he's a hypocrite importing indians and same for Trudeau importing millions of indians.
Just look at (you) yes you. 4chan has been hacked, you know the 4chan manager's location (3rd time, actually) and yet none of you talk about it, none of you do anything.
I assume you're under 30 and work minimum wage, right? Ironically a minimum wage would have nothing to lose so why not do it? Or go after someone even higher on the chain of command: Hiro.
What are you afraid of and shy about? You keep typing faggot every single time yet you're embarrassed of an african indian hybrid that hire pajeets to censor you like it's Chinese communism? Soon enough 4chan will be nothing but bots pretending to make money.

>>150788721 (OP)
Do Aladdin, Lion King and Fucking Hunchback don't count?

>>150791953
those aren't stories with overly masculine heroes. Tarzan and Hercules are very, VERY masculine compared to the other Disney protags of the era

>>150792012
Quasimodo is strong as hell though

>>150792012
Aladdin is a dashing rogue and thief.

>>150789542
>Atlantis grossed almost the same amount as Emperor's New Groove domestically
Yes that also flopped

>>150791953
>and Fucking Hunchback
This doesn't count by sole virtue of the fact that he doesn't get the girl in the end

>>150791427
The state of exception has not been reached, yet.

You'll know it has when the entire structure of law enforcement in this country breaks down. When the entirety of the authority of the police, the judges, and the legal system ceases to function. When their authority simply dissolves and there is no respect for them any more.

We're nowhere near that yet.

>>150792012
>>150792081
>>150792441
All I'm hearing is "Disney 90s Renaissance was actually based and gave no fucks about gender war politics."

Pure kino. I still pretend I'm Herc when I get out of the pool

>>150788740
it's clearly a gay thread

>>150789273
I mean I liked it, there is some eldritch horror in there, and the romance felt organic, I dunno anon

>>150791054
Obama decimated race relations with that Trayvon shit.

>>150788721 (OP)

That era got off to a bad start, made a middling recovery, and then went downhill from there. .

To start with, Hercules massively underperformed relative to Pocahontas; it made roughly two-thirds the box office on a budget close to twice that of a film made just two years earlier. Even Hunchback the previous year made $80 million more at the box office and cost $15 million less to make.

Tarzan came close to costing three times as much as Pocahontas and only made about a third again as much. It also cost about half again as much as both Mulan and Lilo & Stitch that were released around it but gave about the same rate of return at the box office.

After that, you had three films in Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet that ranged from "Didn't quite cover costs" to "Megabomb".

All three of those films combined earned about $144 million more than their production costs; by comparison, Brother Bear alone made almost $200 million than its production budget but was also made the the Orlando brach Disney had already decided to close.

>>150788721 (OP)
i just want to have more action and adventure animation with white male heroes instead of the 400 girlboss or brown guy protagonist

>>150788721 (OP)
What happened was box office failures

>>150789667
It even had 2-3 tie in games which is more than any other Disney movie

>>150794761
There are plenty of action and adventure animated films with white male heroes that you can already watch.
>but i want MORE!
Give someone else a turn.

>>150791427
Your fed posting is fake and gay. Go entrap some troons instead, faggot.

>>150791054
>>150794303
The only thing Obama did was force you to realize how bad relationship actually was, you could no longer pretend that race relationship in America was good

>Tarzan
>hercules
>for boys
Sorry anon you are just really gay

>>150789120
Their older princess movies had a bad-ass dude take down the main villain though. Prince Philip slew Maleficent, Prince Eric impaled kraken-sized Ursula, the 7 dwarves chased down the evil queen, Beast defeats Gaston, etc. Men don't really do anything in their newer princess movies because men rescuing women is problematic now.

>>150792660
>We're nowhere near that yet.
How THE FUCK are you near that yet?
The French & Germans didn't need the government to cease to function. It already ceased to function considering it's anti white, in fact it's worse that there's a goverment enforcing and allowing browns in white countries.
>The state of exception has not been reached, yet.
>We're nowhere near that yet.
YOU ARE BEYOND THE STATE OF EXCEPTION. There are invaders in your country raping your women and breeding and living off gibs.
You are in a worse state than most civilization falls during history and look how southern europe ended up.

>Just trust the plan bro, revolution is coming, we'll turn everything white again.
>We just need to wait for the government, army, police, and oligarchs to lose interest in us? for that to happen.
When the fuck in history has that ever been true? if anything browns take control as CEOs, army generals, the new government, the new oligarchs.
Nobody ever does anything.

>>150789273
It's got some really cool concept art, at least.
>>150789120
Part of the problem is that's a self-feeding rep, too. Disney when I was growing up was "for girls" and "for babies," boys were well advised to move on to apehoop or some other interest by the time their balls dropped. Before, ideally.

>>150794943
>look how southern europe ended up
What you mean the Balkans and Italy? Racially pure nations that still found a way to be shit holes?

>>150794955
Darkwing Duck will like to have a word with you.

>>150788721 (OP)
>Disney Princess, make the minimum effort.
>Disney Prince, fight to the death against a monster.

>>150788721 (OP)
Boy movies are harder to make because most boys are scatter brained retards who start to zone out if 5 minutes goes by without a fart joke or something being smashed(and nonstop action is expensive). In turn this makes it hard to write a story people will take seriously, and in today's climate you can't even draw sexy females for the 14-16 year old to ogle, so you just wind up with a mediocre awkwardly paced moneypit that only a handful of animation students and 35 year autistist will appreciate.
Much easier to just copy and paste some princess slop that will sell millions of plastic wands and backpacks every back to school season.

>>150794884
that wasn't necessary for boys to watch those older films, and they still largely didn't; sleeping beauty flopped and the other two examples are mainly popular with women, especially little mermaid.

>>150794859
Nice projection

>>150795433
I disagree that shit is the only reason I sat through the snorefest of sleeping beauty

>>150788721 (OP)
I don't think there is a single young boy aged 10+ that wouldn't have gotten bullied or at least teased for liking Hercules or Tarzan.

>>150788740
Can we actually talk about stuff with some meaning without having to inundate everything with soft porn. I'm more than tired of this shit.

>>150794805
you are so delusional
i bet you still think that trump won due russian hackers or some other insane conspiracy theory

>>150795587
that's nice grampa, but in the 50s most other boys weren't interested to begin with. hell i bet most of /co/ hasn't seen it despite the film being visually gorgeous

>>150788857
True boy media at Disney flopping coincides with the first adults TOO into Disney starting to creep into society

>>150789494
TP flopped because Disney deliberately worked to make it fail out of pure malice.

>>150795162
For babies. If you were still watching it past 10 you were gonna catch shit from someone. Usually a fat retard, granted, but social pressure is not to be discounted.

>>150795289
>Boy movies are harder to make because most boys are scatter brained retards who start to zone out if 5 minutes goes by without a fart joke or something being smashed(and nonstop action is expensive).
Not true what so ever, boys can hold their attention for more then 5 minutes as otherwise Game Sack and LGR wouldn't take off the way it did, boys HATE gross out "jokes" and boys hate action, they just want funny animal comedies, strictly.

>In turn this makes it hard to write a story people will take seriously.
The Day The Earth Blew Up will like to have a word with you.

>And in today's climate you can't even draw sexy females for the 14-16 year old to ogle.
14-16 year old don't want that as they have REAL girls for that, they want funny animals hitting each other over the head with giant mallets.

>So you just wind up with a mediocre awkwardly paced money pit that only a handful of animation students and 35 year autistist will appreciate.
No, just wine aunts and fujos (see Demon Slayer: Infinity Castle) as as every male on earth and the remaining females on earth refuses to touch anything made after 1967.

>Much easier to just copy and paste some princess slop that will sell millions of plastic wands and backpacks every back to school season.
It's actually much easier to use funny animals then it is to sell princesses.

>>150794884
Women want a prince charming.
Dudes want to be the prince charming.

Its a simple formula that worked then.

>>150796571
Kys mongoloid

>>150796498
Darkwing Dark is too violent for babies as it's not Bear in the Big Blue House, Darkwing Duck is a show that is aimed at people aged 7 to 125 as it's too violent for the 2 to 6 crowd.

>>150791054
>sheds a tear about bunch of white kids getting massacured
>says if he had son would look black
>"maybe we should allow dick suckers to catch bullets"

Yea really fucked us all.

>>150796582
Not true, both men and women want wise cracking rabbits who bug people, crazy/selfish duck and stuttering pigs.

>>150796582
Not true, both men and women want wise cracking rabbits who bug people, crazy/selfish ducks and stuttering pigs.

>>150796654
Which explains why one is still a multi billion dollar enterprise and the other can't even sustain a gacha game.

>>150796487
And Atlantis flopped despite a massive marketing campaign from Disney

>>150796693
Switch (and later Switch 2) did kill gacha.

Of course Warner Bros is the one who thrived and shine while Disney couldn't even sustain a gacha game (Twisted Wonderland).

>>150788721 (OP)
>>150789120
This is pretty much what I was going to say. Even though Tarzan and Hercules have male main characters the movies themselves aren't terribly masculine. There was just as much masculinity in The Lion King and fucking Mulan.

>>150792012
>Tarzan and Hercules are very, VERY masculine compared to the other Disney protags of the era

>Got God of War 1, 2, and 3 from a friend.
>Reactivated my first autism, Greek Mythology.
>Playing through Hades.
>Watched Hercules with my Nephew.
>Searching for an illustrated book detailing the creation of Greek Mythology to its conclusion(fading away from worship).
I need more Greek Literature and animated-anything guys. For years I didn't know I was hungry and I am ravenous for more.

>>150796725
> Disney couldn't even sustain a gacha game (Twisted Wonderland)
It's getting an anime

>>150792615
That was an impressive display of restraint from Disney though desu

>>150796751
With Sora in Smash money so that Disney Japan has it's own identity apart from the US branch.

>>150796718
Yeah, and it's a shame, because it's honestly pretty good and has a woman I want to have sex with in it.

>>150788721 (OP)
>>150788857

Lmao, they realized princess merchandise is a license to print money. Why risk an Atlantis/Treasure Planet flop when you can sell another ten thousand Elsa dresses? The boys got shunted off to Toon Disney/Jetix and then later to Disney XD with all the cheap anime imports and Marvel cartoons. It was all about maximizing synergy and the girl demographic was easier to monetize globally. That's the cold corporate truth.

>Atlantis: 84 million domestically
>Treasure Planet: 38 million domestically
There is a difference

>>150791054
Imagine beliving this.

>>150792740
Back then It was called Polítical Correctness and they did care.

>>150788721 (OP)
Antiwhiteism, the ideology and "morality", has taken over and there was no moral pushback against it.

>>150791054
You were not paying attention.

>>150788721 (OP)
>no blood
>no big tits
>no cool designs
We all just watched anime or superhero cartoons instead is what happened. Disney had a rep for being too safe. Censorship meant you weren't going to see too much blood or tits on TV anime, but it felt like they were there being censored which made boys drawn to them.
And come on, what boy wants to watch a movie with Phil Collins?

>>150797506
Not the case zoomer, us millennials were watching Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry and Popeye on Cartoon Network back in the late 1990s, Disney had Mickey's Mouse Works so Disney did have traffic and Nick had SpongeBob, we avoided superhero cartoons and anime (except for Hamtaro and Kirby: Right Back at Ya! of course, but that was a few years later) like the plague.

Also, us millennials were not listening to Phil Collins, we were listening to Koji Kondo and Jun Ishikawa like normal people.

>>150795289
>14-16 year old
Sorry anon, but if you are 14 and still watching Disney movies you are not gonna make it.

You people have become the representation fags you used to mock.

>>150788974
Damn, Meg really shapped my taste in women I love a sassy bitch.

>>150797681
Aladdin (or really Robin Williams and Gilbert Gottfried) will like to have a word with you.

>>150794828
Yeah and now we have assholes stabbing girls on a train.

>>150797727
Ngmi

>>150796725
>Warner Bros
>thriving
Which is why it's being sold off

>>150797752
They're doing better then Disney at lease, Skydance is buying them off wholesale so everything is still balance and Warner Bros doesn't have to split off the networks.

Plus(non-Popeye and Superman) Fleischer Bros and Terrytoons Blu-Rays as well.

>>150797752
They're doing better then Disney at least, Skydance is buying them off wholesale so everything is still balance and Warner Bros doesn't have to split off the networks.

Plus(non-Popeye and Superman) Fleischer Bros and Terrytoons Blu-Rays as well.

>>150797781
>They're doing better then Disney at least
lol
lmao

>people are willing to suck Zaslav's cock if it means they get to dunk on Disney
Beyond fucking grim. Not even company wars on /v/ get this bad.

>>150797210
Stfu

>>150796775
Continue moving the goal post

>>150797584
Kys famitroon

>>150791022
that figure on a female character would be seen as highly problematic today. the creators of such a show or movie would have gotten their heads put on spikes outside of disney world

The BVLLS of /co/ will always be appealing to boys

>>150791054
>>150794303
>>150794828
Obama ruined things simply by existing because day 1 was full of old boomers posting "Obongo" and trying to get a birth certificate gotcha instead of targeting his actual policies(which ended up largely being centrist). People were not ready for a black guy to be president and were ready to pick anything apart

>>150797901
No they wouldn't. You just believe your own boogeyman.

>>150797916
/pol/'s not going to like this…

>>150797909
Kys industrycuck

>>150797967
>they fear the BVLLS

>>150797738
Robin Williams and Gilbert Gottfried were respected as fuck when they were alive, they made it huge time.
>>150797823
That is the case.
>>150797882
Not the case, Disney is suffering for even acknowledging mobile, Switch 2 is where everyone is at.

>>150798070
>Thar is the case
A single Disney park does better than all of WB

>>150797916
Bathhouse Barry was a CIA plant.

>>150798070
>one gacha game is proof Disney is suffering
And other delusions you tell yourself.

>>150797916
>ACA
>ending impartial coverage in news
>literally shutting down critical media

He was only centrist if you admit he was an authoritarian with no principles

>>150797860
Funny you mention /v/ since they're also simping for Switch 2. This board is beyond all hope.

>>150797979
I simply dislike your faggotry

>>150798190
You simply dislike masculinity

>>150798213
You aren't masculine in any way

>>150788721 (OP)
Dude Disney has never appealed to boys and if they tried they mostly failed. I'll be blunt I hate Disney's Tarzan because he's not as tough as the book version seriously that dude can slay his opponents, not as intensely as Conan the Barbarian but Tarzan is not the wimp Disney made him to be because beating a leopard is nothing. And Disney's Hercules or Heracles is blatantly a bastardization of the myths. Hercules is meant to be quite badass given his mythological labors the Disney Hercules is an idiot manchild the only difference is he's not fat like Homer Simpson or Richard from World of Gumball.

Disney has never been for boys and men. Remember what Walt Disney said before he died that "To heck with men!" so long as only women and girls like Disney media and Disney products.

>>150798228
Keep seething tranny

>>150798107
Other way around, and Skydnce still has to buy them out.
>>150798172
That is the case, in this day of age it's Switch 2 or GTFO.
>>150798228
>Dude Disney has never appealed to boys and if they tried they mostly failed.
The Disney Afternoon will like to have a word with you.

>Disney has never been for boys and men.
Yes it has, 1923-1967 and 1985-1995 will like to have a word with you.

>Remember what Walt Disney said before he died that "To heck with men!" so long as only women and girls like Disney media and Disney products.
That like the Jew stuff never happened.

>>150798281
>Other way around, and Skydnce still has to buy them out.
If someone is buying them out then that proves a single park is doing better. Unless you think 20th Century Fox is thriving.

>>150788721 (OP)
Disney lumped the classic princesses with the ones in the films the made from 89-98 and successfully market the “Disney Princess” franchise to girls to the point that they forgot how to market stuff for boys and focus on simply buying franchises with pre-existing make audiences first with Power Rangers which they weren’t willing to put more money than they had to into,it’s why they bought Star Wars and Marvel then fucked that up by pushing the focus into girlboss shit

>>150798347
Warner Bros is just doing better then Disney, Hollywood is just fucked is all and Warner Bros is the best case scenario right now.

>>150798228
>Disney has never been for boys or men
Dragonslayer
Tom&Huck
Tall Tale
Black Cauldron
Robin Hood

Problem is Disney doubled or tripled down on princesses and chick flicks in the 90s&2000s

>>150798399
>being in billions of debt and potentially being sold off is best case scenario
Continue deluding yourself while a Disney park continues to do well.

>>150798405
Early 80's Disney was dark & experimental.

>>150798281
Gacha is still doing good. How much is Nintendo paying you to shill the Switch 2.

>>150798428
Other way around.

>>150798457
No, they're not, worldwide it's Switch 2 or GTFO.

>>150798460
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>150791022
I was 8 when that movie came out and I remember thinking "why are they black?"

Is this just fucking Famicom?

>>150798482
There is a argument.

>>150798473
>>150798531
Nintendo bot reply

>>150798553
Not a bot, thats the god's honest truth.

>>150796775
Sora being in Smash is not much. He was received worse than c haracters like King K Rool, Sephiroth, or freaking Banjo Kazooie who only have two main games that are liked from a dead brand and long since became irrelevant.

Kingdom Hearts is not the juggernaut that you think it is. And Disney doesn't care for Kingdom Hearts either. And Kingdom Hearts 4 is bound to sell quite bad all things considered due to the series flaws.

>>150789299
And it worked. Turns out that women are gullible and easy to sell out with. Why do you think women are the biggest fanatics of video games about doing nothing like Animal Crossing? Women love trash. And even before Animal Crossing existed women had Disney's merchandise like Winnie Pooh and Disney Princesses. Women love buying up this junk. If Disney is failing with women in recent years its because they don't make things cute enough and they refuse to satisfy female fantasies of being privileged Mary Sues who get to live happily ever after (marrying rich guys).

>>150789160
I would never call anything Disney has made as cool. There's a good reason anime took over when it comes to animation simply see this anime's intro and how cool it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoDUxs3rlRU

Atlantis had a serious complication with its main lead. You got an adventure movie but the main character is a beta nerd? There's a reason no one likes Milo, he doesn't look capable enough to fight off the leader of a villainous mercenary band. He's not Solid Snake. Americans have never understood how to make cool things in animation. You can get cool things in the pulp media in fact that's how things like Batman started when comics were obscure but once animation is considered everyone says " Make it effeminate and lame!" This is how anime kicks America's animation ass.

>>150789120
The most successful Disney male targeted media has to be their Zorro series but its still tame compared to what people expect from Zorro. Showing flowing blood when Zorro stabs someone with the sword is a no no.

>>150798862
Disney made bank on Sora in Smash, yes he was neutered, yes homebrew had to put back the actual Disney content into Sora's existence (including a playable Mickey) and he is far from the best character in Smash, but Disney made money from it and is still getting enough money for it to have their Japanese branch to fund anime such as Summer Time Reading and Bullet/Bullet.

Without Sora in Smash Disney Japan would've never went into the anime funding game.
>>150799011
Wrong intro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykl5F9BgNeY

And whats going on with anime is 20 times worse then whats going on in the US unless it's the video above or stuff like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvnRB6IHSU

>>150791054
Don't forget Black Lives Matter for poisoning things. And recent scandals like that black man who stabbed that Ukrainian woman to death while other Africans watched doing nothing to subdue that criminal only goes to show how race is a factor.

>>150789120
Aladdin is the one exception though that one also featured a princess in a major role. And I guess she was more conventionally marketable than Kida from Atlantis who barely got merch despite being very plot relevant.

>>150791022
Its apparent that they're meant to be black but when I was young I thought they just had a darker complexion because that was a common thing amongst Mediterranean populations.

>>150799138
People didn't care about that when it came to Aladdin, they just cared about Robin Williams and Gilbert Gottfried, strictly.

>>150797916
And Obama was half-white too

>>150799244
That was a step parent, we been over this.

>>150799011
Hell look in terms of aesthetics too. Disney movies are well drawn and animated, but they lean on doing and drawing features that just look unappealing for the sake of showing their ability to draw.
Yeah Kida is a sexy character, but she's sexier in fanart and cosplay. In the movie itself she's plagued by the obsession with gangly and sharp stylization the movie has
Nadia is a relatively simplistic and unimpressive design that takes a lot of shortcuts, but they work, and it allows them to render her more which makes her look more interesting with nicer inking and highlights.

>>150795289
>zone out if 5 minutes goes by without a fart joke

Listen well, Bad Guys and Bad Guys 2 has fart jokes and how successful are those movies? Their box offices are pitiful. And no more covid excuses Bad Guys 2 performed worse than the first Bad Guys. Farts don't bring in the money. Tired of the Boys Love Gross Things stigma.

>>150797733
Mentally ill people with stabbing tendencies can come from any race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Nia_Wilson

>>150799262
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham, she was not a "Step-parent" Barack was her biological child

>>150799262
anon he was made in a white womb, what are you talking about? He has the same long face as his mother.
We have not been over your bizarre conspiracy theory that a Kenyan somehow got an American white woman to raise his kid from another relationship.

>>150799289
>liking bland animu fanart over Mike Mignola.
NGMI

>>150799146
Genuine discussion is a bannable offense. Ragebait threads only.

>>150799289
Atlantis is a specific exception. The other characters don't go far off from what anime does.

>>150789637
Shrek? Understandable
Dr Dolittle 2? Come on son.

>>150798175
You say that as if FoxNews didn't devoted 24/7 to shit on Obama.

>>150798405
Bunch of flops and one furry Bait.

>>150789667
McDonald's.

>>150791054
This is just the "media was not political when I was a child".

>>150799146
It was a good discussion till

>>150791022
#1 post: opens the door for off-topic discussion

>>150791054
#2 Post: starts off-topic discussion

>>150794542
>Hercules massively underperformed relative to Pocahontas
Which is funny because, in turn, Pocahontas underperformed and got overshadowed by The Lion King which was made with less budget

>>150800021
Pocahontas was a financial success. Just because it didn't reach Aladdin/Lion King numbers doesn't mean it was a failure.

>>150799406
most people prefer anime. It is what it is.

>>150800558
Yea, anime like this, not the raw sewage that Crunchyroll and HiDIVE keep shoving down our throat because only geeks and nerds watch that shit.

>>150800558
No taste yokels do yes.

>150800650
Yep, it's fucking Famicom. Pack it up boys.

>>150797506
>>150797584
I love when people write out these extremely specific personal anecdotes then try to frame the whole thing as being something every single person in the country experienced.
The fact of the matter is that what's "cool" to watch varied from school to school.

>>150800812
You think everyone in this thread is Famicom, fuck off.

>>150800758
yeah and you gotta sell to those no taste yokels.

>>150800890
>pandering to the lowest common denominator
This site is not for you.

>>150800883
Okay Famicom

>>150799562
Stfu

Why is /co/ obsessed with the notion of 'boys' media now while shilling the shit out of very female centric anime and also obsessing over female coded cartoons?

>>150794962
>What you mean the Balkans and Italy?
Trust me buddy, you dont want to be Serbia, you dont want your own Battle of Maritza 1371. The battle that doomed the world.

>>150802195
>50 000 serbs lost to 800 ottomans
Good fucking grief, this wasn’t even a siege battle

>>150788721 (OP)
Women kept asking
>yeah but why?
And
>why though
And every cool idea got binned, and every one who stood up for cool ideas got canned.

>>150797071
Yes. When they were catering to girls by giving them girly things girls like they got free money. Now tinkerbell wears pants and jasmine has a whole extra sing abkut not shutting up.
Girls want girl shit
Boys want boy shit
This concept is offensive to the movers and shakers at disney.

>>150801040
anime
website

>>150802148
Maybe your presumptions are just wrong

>>150789273
You can't admit movies bomb cause they suck on the cartoon board

>>150802629
>>150802662
This is retarded reductionist statement to push culture war bullshit

>>150788721 (OP)
I didn't pay to see Rosie O'Donnell scat-sing.

>>150800890
No
You dont
And this is their problem.
Younhave to sell to the people who give a fuck. The people who care at least >0%. Those people drive the general audience because when those people speak passionately abkut the things they like it sways people into spending money. When they cater to the general audience, especially by alienating the real fans, theyre just setting themselves up for failure.

>>150802765
Hmm? Whats that? You have an argument? No? Didnt think so.

>configuration A
Unlimited money. Happy customers. Respect and renowned
>configuration B
Down sizing, critical customer base. Scorn.

What changed? What was going on in A that's not in B? Seems obvious B is a problem and they should go back to A.
Btw, A is when women werent mandatory parody in every writer's room and executive board.

>>150802843
This is not an argument, you continue to be reductionist. Just say you hate women.

>>150802793
See
>>150802843
Now go back to r*ddit and continue arguing over art.

>>150802843
Disney was never renowned and respected. This was cope spread by Disney adults.

>>150802924
Wrong

>>150802669
cartoon
board

>>150802669
Wrong you troon

>>150802946
Right. But continue wearing those mouse ears.

>>150802972
Cope

>>150803018
Seethe Mouseketeer

>>150802898
Thanks for unwittingly agreeing with me.
>>150802863
>the "just say youre and -ist" play
Pathetic.
>>150802924
Pretty stupid. It outs you as an unserious participant in this conversation.

>>150803029
Disney is a world famous giant of animation media that built the animation industry at its inception. Yeah you win your gold star and a seet at the cool kids table for shitting on disney because thats whats fashionable. Denying the reality of what they built is just childish.

>>150803073
Nice inspect element

>>150788740
Clearly gay seeing as how OP thinks boys want to see unclothed grown men

>>150803099
>Disney is a world famous giant of animation media that built the animation industry at its inception.
Wrong.
>Denying the reality of what they built is just childish.
It's more childish to build them up as these gods of animation when even Tolkien hated them.

All that screenshot proves is that there is two or three people talking in this echo chamber. We need the IP counter back.

>>150803149
>yes but look at this name i dropped who hated them. Dont you wanna be cool like this big name i dropped?
You have to be +18 to post here
>>150803105
Pic related

>>150799289
As someone who watched Nadia secret of blue water I have to say I take Kida every time, Nadia is an amazingly huge bitch, like getting mad at you for not being vegan while stranded on an island with nothing to eat but fish, bitch.

>>150803171
Weird how im disagreeing with (supposedly) multiple anons. If this is an echo chamber its you people who keep wondering why the industry is collapsing, and then getting mad when youre told the answer, doing the echoing.

>>150803189
Why did you steal this pic from my discord.

>>150803216
>supposedly
Anon, we already said it was like three people. You're telling to the same guy over and over. Get off your fucking high horse.

>>150803216
What do you mean "you people"?

>>150803216
>the industry is collapsing
K-Pop Demon Hunters is doing gangbusters and has a female audience. You're just a salty anon like everyone here on this hellsite.

Look at the damage control LMAO
Thanks for brightening my afternoon.

>>150803149
Tolkien wasn’t the judge of everything

>>150803189
>>150803299
Tolkien means more than Disney. You would realize that if you were over 18 or expanded your horizons beyond cartoons.

>>150791054
>Race relations in America were fucking awesome for a good 30-year span.
>LA riots
>OJ trial

>>150803297
The only damage control is the guy replying to himself. I would say it's brightening my day but it's kind of sad,

>>150803288
Kpop is doing great because they unwittingly broke the rules, and thats why despite everyone liking it it gets shit on.
They dared to display objective morality. In a weird period where netflix keeps tapping creators to make media featuring demons
>loud mouth. Demons are friends who show you new stuff
>dmc, demons are poor refugees just looking for a new life
>castlvennia, draculas just sad because the mean ol christians were meanie heads!
The kpop shows uo and wham!
Demons are evil and the only path to rede.ption abailable to them is to sacrifice their lives to betray demonkind.
Que the salty satan larpers. I love kpop demon hunters. What a swing and a miss.

>>150803328
You aren't allowed to say the 90s were bad. It hurts the millennials.

>>150803316
Tolkien is a plague who killed fantasy

>>150803347
Shut up Christ cuck

>>150803316
Youre expressing an opinion.
I am stating a fact. Disney has world renown for their efforts to build the animation industry. They were respected by their peers and society.

>>150803377
You dropped your mask

>>150803380
>I am stating a fact.
It's just an opinion since this is easily disproven. Even Miyazaki called them out in their shit.

>>150803390
Unlike you I don't blindly believe people telling me shit so I don't wear face masks.

>>150803347
Go larp somewhere else

>>150803456
Go to church.

>>150802148
It's the retards who constantly guzzle culture war bullshit. They literally can't function without twisting and contorting everything into a narrative they can complain about. It the "this depiction of xyz le problematic" but on the other side of the horseshoe.

>>150803488
What type of Church

>>150803497
Nice damage control Mousefag.

>>150803504
What else kind of church is this there you euphoric atheist

>>150803560
>He doesn’t even know about the different branches of Christianity

>>150803572
Christianity is Christianity atheist bro

>>150803522
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>150803584
oh so there is no difference between the Mormons and the Orthodox then?

>>150803400
>Even Miyazaki called them out in their shit
He doesn’t like anything

>>150803355
Stfu faggot

>>150803624
At least they actually believe in god. That's what's important in the end.

>>150803671
I repeat, go larp somewhere else or at the very last educate yourself. The different churches don't even have the same view on the trinity

>>150803799
I won't take advice from a fucking atheist

>>150803799
I'm going to stop you right here and ask you to just let this shit thread die. The retard you're replying to doesn't know what he's talking about and we all can see it. Just let it go.

>>150803861
religion is a psyop to control the weak minded with fake punishments and rewards
notice how you only ever collect your rewards after you're fucking dead

>>150804039
You are a spiritually dead person and will love an unhappy and unfulfilled life.

>>150797916
They forgot that Trump's first slithering into GOP politics was the whole birthirism thing. Even now he makes it a point to remind us that the middle name is Hussein for some extra fearmonger points. From day 1 they were looking for anything to prove that a black man wasn't American enough to be president. Obama never changed anyone's actual opinions on race as much as Trump making them feel comfortable to drop their masks. And on more than just race but basic decency. So many are guided solely on what they think makes others unhappy, they really love to draw middle fingers in their memes.

>>150804660
>And on more than just race but basic decency
I still remember when McCain gracefully called out that old crone for falling for the birthism shit. His only mistake was letting the GOP pick Palin as his VP.

>>150789413
Underrated movie. Along with Titan AE, which was on of my favorite Sci-Fi animated movies growing up.

>>150804660
>>150804724
Proving people right about /co/mblr

>>150797584
Fake as shit

>>150797584
>Famicom's here
>He is always here.

HE IS ALWAYS HERE!

>>150798228
>Remember what Walt Disney said before he died that "To heck with men"

Citation please? Preferably not from Jezabel or Kotaku or Netflix or DW channel?

>>150798228
>Disney has never been for boys and men. Remember what Walt Disney said before he died that "To heck with men!" so long as only women and girls like Disney media and Disney products.
>GUYS GUYS, DIDNT YOU KNEW DISNEY WAS A FASCIST ANTI SEMITE!
>were did you get that?
>Hum, Family Guy and that edgy Disney skit made in flash I saw once......

Everytime.

>>150794884
>philip
Everyone knows the hero of Sleeping Beauty is the three fairies. Even Phil was basically just their mute minion in the fight. He didn't kill Maleficent; the equipment they created and the spell to kill her killed her.

>>150804968
deal with it.

>>150805527
Easy there "ma'am".

>>150801599
Gtfo

>>150796815
Good.

>>150796815
>Tokyo Godfather
Has a troon in it, woke shit

>>150807424
you're an idiot.

>>150802662
Both want funny animal comedies.
>>150803099
>>150803380
No, thats Warner Bros.
>>150803149
Tolkien loved Warner Bros however as he was extremely close with Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng.

>>150803288
>>150803347
Except in Japan.
>>150803354
No, it's because the 1990s were the 1940s all over again.
>>150803400
Friz Freleng, not Miyazaki.
>>150805017
No, it's the god's honest truth, you just live under a rock is all.

>>150807424
Kys amerilard

>>150807424
Different time, even 1000 Year Door had a troon in it and people loved 1000 Year Door.

>>150788721 (OP)
Straight up because Disney parents hate perceived violence. Growing up I had friends who were super Disney kids and their parents verbally disliked when they wanted to put on Tarzan, Hercules, even the Lion King and Mulan were pushing it. Anything on tv like the Buzz Lightyear cartoon or Gargoyles they pretty much weren't allowed to watched.

Great. Famicom now successfully raids another thread. And a pointless one that has Sharkfag in it too.

>>150809163
I seriously got banned for breaking /co/ rule 1 when Famicom is literally breaking that rule. Guessing I got too racist, considering last week was /pol/ spam week here on /co/.

>>150795673
no, and good for you.

>>150808934
>>150808961
Fuck off Famicom

>>150798175
Are you fucking kidding me? Obama was the most milqetoast center of the road play it safe president of all time. If he were such an authoritarian, he would have came in day one with his supermajority kicking doors down set to mandinka war drums. He spent his first term reaching across the aisle to people that openly said they didn’t want to work with him since day one when he didn’t have to. For 8 years I had to listen to retards complain about the most irrelivent nonsense concerning him like his taste in fucking mustard while the same retards we’re pinning their hopes of removing him from office on a fucking retarded fucking belief that if he’s born in Kenya that somehow makes him NOT a natural born citizen when the fact is that as long as he came from between his mothers legs, it doesn’t matter where he was born.

>>150788721 (OP)
THIS THIS SO MUCH, I really really think Disney is losing these days because they don't have the "cool" factor, not a single one of their animated movies has action anymore.

Like I don't need something like a turbo Chad male protagonist shooting guns at aliens I know the appeal of Disney is the princesses and female protagonist but give me something cool to look at, KPOP Demon hunters had cool scenes, movements and concepts that's what I want see same for spider verse and puss in boots

>>150812643
>KPOP Demon hunters had cool scenes, movements and concepts that's what I want see same for spider verse and puss in boots
None of these things are cool and neither was Disney at any point in time.

>>150812744
They are, you may hate them because you enjoy being a contrarian but doesn't make them less cool

>>150812744
Disney was cool during 1923/1928 to 1967 and 1985 to 1995.

>>150812784
I don't hate because I'm contrarian they are legitimately uncool.
Look up anime sometime.

>>150812890
Yea, about that...

>>150812825
>>150812953
Fuck off Famicom

>>150788878
My dick owes everything to Glen Keane.

>>150788721 (OP)
I was the target audience for this when it came out (between 10-13) and I was already at the age where I thought I was 'too old' for disney cartoons, also it seemed just kind of gay compared to the stuff I was seeing in anime at the time.

>>150814870
Mickey's Mouse Works will like to have a word with you.

>>150814870
>>150815209
Also, Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan were softer then Mickey's Mouse Works.

>>150803377
>>150803456
demons being inherently evil beings is not a christcuck concept, it's all religions. the motif of a demon is also a inherent human understanding imprinted into our genes that. only mentally sick marxists who believe rapists are victims of society try to make demons in their stories victims also. most people recognize this unconciously and avoid that stuff

>>150810830
so you believe the whole world should be us citizens?

>>150809034
>even 1000 Year Door had a troon in it and people loved 1000 Year Door.
thats my emotional support troon so it has a pass

>>150815245
Your mom would like to have a word with you.

>>150788721 (OP)
Since Atlantis, there has only been a single non-sequel film from Disney animation where the male lead wasn't one of the following:

>A Kid
>a con artist or criminal
>massively anti-social

See if you can guess it.

>>150815682
Fix-it Felix?

>>150812643
>KPOP Demon hunters had cool scenes, movements and concepts that's what I want see
Just watch Demon Slayer

>>150815870
Not the lead

>>150815989
The Great Piggy Bank Robbery had much cooler scenes, movements and concepts then anything Demon Slayer had in it's entire life.

And yes, that does include Mitsuri Kanroji's naked (but no nudity as her hair was covering her nipples) hot springs scene, you know the one.

>>150810830
>as long as he came from between his mothers legs, it doesn’t matter where he was born.
Uh no.

>>150788721 (OP)
Disney is far too milquetoast. They are terrified of actual masculinity, as it may damage their brand towards their core audience, or rather, that's what they believe.

>>150788721 (OP)
>ctrl+f “recession”
>nothing
No one understands what happened

bump

>>150815400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(classical_Greek_mythology)
>The daemon (δαίμων), also spelled daimon (meaning "god", "godlike", "power", "fate"),[1][2] denotes an "unknown superfactor", which can be either good or hostile.[3]

>The Hellenistic Greeks divided daemons into good and evil categories: agathodaímōn (ἀγαθοδαίμων, "noble spirit"), from agathós (ἀγαθός, "good, brave, noble, moral, lucky, useful"), and kakodaímōn (κακοδαίμων, "malevolent spirit"), from kakós (κακός, "bad, evil").

>>150819662
Call them evil spirits if you want

>>150815682
Sorry, boys aren't reliable market like girls. The laters grow up to became Disney adults and keep expending on the park. Blame that the male demographics has sports betting

>>150820328
Boys become Warner Bros adults, they are a reliable market.

>>150788740
Yes.

>>150816688
This.

>>150791054
No they weren't, faggot. Race relations were extremely fake in the 90s, & it's been shit since the civil right movement, & it has gotten worst since the 2000s. We were better off segregated.

>>150794303
Stupid nigger shouldn't have been trying break into people's homes if he didn't want to get shot by a Hispanic cop.

>>150788721 (OP)
I liked Tarzan more than The Lion King.

>>150788721 (OP)
Why does every discussion about gender representation eventually turn into some kind of white genocide thing?

>>150823574
this wasn't a discussion about gender representation.

>>150823574
You should ask progressive women who are now ubiquitous in media that. Whenever they enter creative spaces, they specifically want to remove white men and traditional Western culture from it.

>>150820328
But what about anime?
There are a shit ton of Dragon Ball Adults.
Hell you can even look at Star Wars and Marvel Adults.
Boys are a reliable market.
It's just Disney sucks shit at catering to them.

>>150825676
Read >>150820858

>>150789160
Also at the time of its premiere, Road to El Dorado was widely perceived as the gayest animated movie of all time.

I remember there being much decrying of Atlantis on various forums as being an attempt at 'fake anime', back when it first came out.

>>150825786
Not with Chel's existence in the film.

>>150788721 (OP)
how many voctory screeches are there nowadays? i can only think of spear and fang after killing dogs