Thread 150878080

https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-ultimate-universe-marvel-endgame-jonathan-hickman-dan-buckley

It wasn’t that Hickman wanted to stop. It wasn’t that sales weren’t strong enough. It was just a small and elite group of glue sniffers angry about USM outselling ASM.

They Krakoa’d Hickman again.

>>150878080 (OP)
> “We were at one of those creative retreats and I was sitting next to him, we’re just talking, and he’s like, ‘Well, we’re finishing our stories, then you could do that.’ I said, ‘No, you’re done,’” Buckley remembered. “I was by myself with Jon, Jonathan’s looking at me, he goes, ‘What do you mean we’re done?’ I said, ‘We’re shutting it down.’ He goes, ‘Why are we shutting it down?’ I said, ‘It’s the end, right?’”

> Turns out that, even though Hickman had written a two-year-and-done storyline, he still didn’t think Marvel would cancel the line after it was done. Buckley, however, felt that it was important to do so.

>“There’s a lot of story being told here. You’ll be able to take this journey — take the beginning, the middle, and the end — and digest it for years to come and be able to pass it on to people and say, ‘This is the experiment, this type of storytelling, we’re allowed to do this,’” Buckley explained, arguing that allowing this incarnation of the Ultimate Universe to stand apart from anything before or after was important as a statement of creative intent.

Does Dan Buckley have autism?

Welcome to 616 Mei!

>>150878080 (OP)
Hickman is a hack

>>150878080 (OP)
Someone in corporate didn't like that the one where Spidey is happy and married with a kid was outselling the mainstream comic where he's broke, single, and miserable.

>>150878176
Better to end that to drag forever.

>>150878176
This would make sense if you actually told your writers this was the plan at the start.

>>150878080 (OP)
This reminds me of the time Venom was cancelled despite being one of Marvel's highest selling titles because the Editor in Chief at the time was mad that Venom was more popular than the villains created in the 60's.

>>150878080 (OP)
There’s already a thread faggot fuck off >>150872118

>>150878726
>The Polish Pedoschizo thinks he owns 4Chan.
Sad!

Hickman wasn't Krakoa'd. He left voluntarily. He wasn't going to write any more Ultimate books, he was done. He's just surprised Marvel decided they weren't going to bother to continue the line without him.

>>150878080 (OP)
>The rumors of the ultimate universe ending because of Disney mandate for a marvel absolute is sounding more likely to be confirm to be true
So…. How edgy will marvel allow the marvel absolute to be?

>>150878080 (OP)
No Paul No more Ultimate Universe

>>150879005
Hulk/She-Hulk incest
Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch incest
Colossus/Magik incest
Namor/Namora incest

Incest, incest, incest

>>150878080 (OP)
So when is Hickman going to finally leave Marvel and go to DC?

>>150879005
They'd copy anon's pitch of making Peter a teenage father and balancing that with his life as Spider-Man

>>150878503
Disney woke ideologues hate heterosexuality and nuclear families on principle.

>>150879005
That sounds absolutely fake.

>>150878080 (OP)
>be hickman
>receive from marvel classic characters in shitty storyline
>nobody care anymore
>create great story
>character interesting again
>introduce catchy dilema which make readers thinking
>end of story arc
>every interesting things destroyed by marvel
>put back characters in boring and lame storyline
>...
>repeat with anothers characters

After Fantastic Four, Avengers and X-Men, it's actually not a surprise.

>>150879005
Disney doesn't care about comics

>>150878726
No, go to hell. Kill yourself!

I hope the backlash makes the Ultimate editorial continue the universe.

>>150879379
You're the kind of person who watches every post-Endgame MCU movie, aren't you?

>>150879390
All 2 of them?

>>150879139
Marvel editorial has hated Peter being happy since 1987. The whole original point of The Clone Saga was to erase Spider-Man being married by saying that every story since the original clone one was us following a fake Spider-Man and not the real original one.

It's all because everyone hated anything done under Jim Shooter's tenure and he was the one who pushed for Peter and MJ to get married.

>>150879149
Yes. It’s a simpson posting edit dumb arse.

>>150878080 (OP)
Oh, so it IS yet another "Marvel is ran by fucking retards" moment

>>150878596
Yeah Camp is on Twitter currently detailing everyone's plans had things not got canned, so it's obvious no one knew this before hand, I just know DC is laughing

>>150879520
>>150879535
It's no wonder why comic crash of 96 took place with these type of retards running things between the big two comic makers

>>150878735
Cebulski is also Polish btw:
ttps://forebears.io/surnames/cebulski

>>150879520
>>150879535
It's no wonder why the comic crash of 96 took place when these type of retards was and still running things in the big two comic makers

>>150879418
Not counting the Spider-film Sony co-productions that justified their existence, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, Quantumania, Guardians 3, The Marvels, Deadpool and Wolverine, Brave New World, Thunderbolts, First Steps
That you thought there were only two says it all.

>>150879564
I thought most of those was Pre Endgame

>>150879535
>everyone's
It was literally just his plans. He says himself that everyone else was done and wanted out.

>>150879563
DC is winning another war for being KISS once more, and Marvel fucking themselves again, now with tdisney's help because they cant fire the Cult of Quesada and anti Shooter hate.
Watch Hickman, Ewing and every writer who was keeping Marvel Relevant going to DC and Image(this one thanks to transformers is on the rise once more) while marvel hires the retards DC fired for praising Charlie Kirk's death with not even the Speculators buying the comics with extra covers anymore because it wont sell a dime later on.

At this rate, is Warner who is letting themselves being bought by Disney to pull a Douglas and take all of Disney and Marvel's seats as they did with Boeing.

>>150879139
OMD happen well before Disney bought marvel, same with clone saga>>150879507
. Disney doesn't give a shit about it's comic division at most they see it as a place to workshop ideas for movie and TV storylines. As long as it isn't losing money hand over fist they won't get involved. The senior editorial have suffered from the group think of Peter needs to be single and constantly down on his luck for decades. You won't get elevated to senior staff unless you share those views. I wouldn't mind if Disney came in a cleaned house at Marvel.

>>150878080 (OP)
It says the two year thing was Hickman's idea. Perhaps Hickman just assumed the whole universe wasn't going down with him

>>150879879
Yeah. All of the runs feels like they could continue beyong their writers...
Except Wolverine, who is all about destroying the X-men cast in the Nultiverse.
The same run whose writer was picked by Will Moss instead of Hickman and Camp...
STRANGE ISN'T IT?

>>150879075
You forgot the cannibalism

>>150879622
She’s definitely going to 616 Earth.

>>150878080 (OP)
>Marvel is retarded
Nothing new.
Or that could be :
>People DARE to prefer Ultimate Spider-Man over the regular one ?! Cancel it.

>>150879139
Don't we all?

>>150879622
Oh my goodness this is worst than I thought.
Like, I could see someone so Ultimate Venom following Richard, or do Ultimate Guardians or Ultimate Thor (whose storyline will never conclude now).
Or even new stuff like Ultimate Ghost Rider or Ultimate FF...
Marvel didn't shoot its foot, it blasted it.

>>150880190
Marvel didn't do anything. All their top talent were finished with their Ultimate books and everyone else remotely close to top talent didn't want to be part of the relaunch. They decided to end the line rather than limp onwards with a dud of a relaunch featuring Deniz Camp and the rest of the D-list.

>>150880190
funny thing is hickman was very much setting up the brocks in USM 12, which as im typing i realise was the venom reveal issue so there was probably some plans for a venom book

>>150880190
>Ultimate Venom following Richard
>Ultimate Guardians
>Ultimate Thor .
>Ultimate Ghost Rider
>Ultimate FF

BOX OFFICE POISON

They really just killed the one good thing they made in a while because we didn't want to eat the deformed, synergetic piece of shit that mainline became lmao.

Full disclosure? I wanted to read a Spider-Man comic. Not
>Peter dotes on his daughter and ignores his son: the experience

>>150880344
At least Ourgirl will survive….

>>150879725
DC winning by just carrying on as usual while Marvel goes ascended Retard

>>150880317
>Ultimate Venom
>POISON
Heh, I see what you did

>>150880385
Damn she’s so hawt.
I guess none of her friends will join her?

>>150879806
Disney animation lead by Jennifer Lee has an explicit policy that the leads can't have heterosexual romance. She publicly brags about it. the rest of the company is the same

>>150880596
Stop talking out of your ass.

>>150880385
Storm wanted a Daughterfu, here she is.
Still wont save the company

>>150880651
Sure tranny

>>150880385
This makes sense why Peach let Ziglar use her in Incursions miniseries.

>>150880670
It isnt because ziglar is a groomer?

>>150880651
Jennifer Lee openly brags about this policy. Disney ideologues think giving females happy heterosexual romantic relationships makes them weak.

>>150879553
I thought he was Japanese?

>>150880727
It gave Mei someone she knows before transferring over to 616.

>>150879725
>disney's help because they cant fire the Cult of Quesada
Why can't Disney fire them?

>>150879075
Memes aside cousinfucking is barely incest.

>>150878080 (OP)
i dont buy that, it is profitable and well received. maybe one of them diddled kids? OMG hope it ain't that

>>150880385
Prepare for her to get shoved in either Miles book or disappear in the X-books with all the other new mutants

>>150880385
Her predecessor in 'mutant universe-hopping' is James Hudson. Take a look at him and ask yourself whether you want her to follow in his footsteps.

>>150880317
Ultimate Venom should be without Richard.

>>150882277
He looks like Creed mpregged Logan.

>>150878080 (OP)
Well I am done with Marvel altogether once Ultimate Marvel officially end. And whenever Absolute DC officially end, time to finally grow up and stop reading capeshit.

>>150879075
Namor and Namora aren't actually blood related. Namora was adopted into the royal family and only cousins through adoption.

>>150882306
Ultimate Venom should be a traumatized Ben Parker that witness his family and universe die. Became Ultimate Galactus's Herald and officially known as Cosmic Venom. Captured and tortured by Ultimate Thanos for millenniums. Finally transported into 616 just because.

>>150879725
What if DC raids Hickman and Ewing and Marvel, in response, pulls a "Bendis is coming" and steals Tom Taylor or Tom King.

Can this please happen?

>>150879622
This makes me think nobody wanted to work with Camp, and I hope this is true.

>>150882869
DC should poach Bendis, Slott and Brevoort from Marvel. They would make a great addition to DC's talent pool.

>>150883151
Are you stuck in the 2010s or are you a bot?
Bendis had his chance at DC and is no longer with them
Slott's been over at DC for months now

>>150882370
I give Absolute 3 years. KO is about to flop because it's not 1v1 like it was advertised. The other event has bad Robib suit designs. You would think that means DC would want to keep Absolute for a long time, but they will go the retarded direction.

>>150883220
Are you seriously this stupid? Do you need a "/s" at the end of everything because you are this stupid?

>>150883396
>I wasn't a slowpoke, y-you're the stupid one

That's some cope there

>>150883412
The cope is you being too stupid to detect sarcasm without the "/s". Al Ewing is also writing Absolute Green Lantern but then again you are too stupid to realize this.

>>150883151
Bendis is fucking washed, and I'm not entirely convinced his few successes weren't just flukes. Guy needs to put down the pen and get a barista job already.

>>150883539
Bendis is washed but most cape writers are like C-suites, their failures just mean another opportunity for a promotion and upward mobility.

>>150883539
I still flabbergasted when he went to DC he didn’t work on Green Arrow or Vigilante or Nightwing.

Who in the fuck thought he would be good on Superman and Young Justice?

>>150883651
Or Legion of SuperHeroes

>>150879725
>KISS
Ace Frehley is dead ;_;

>>150883651
When you give someone a big exclusive contract, you don't put them on B-listers and below. Back in the early 10s Hickman was yanked off Ultimates mid-arc and put on Avengers because the sales were too low to justify his exclusive contract.

>>150881042
Disney higher ups has to fire them by Q2-Q1 2026 to save costs, if they dont now that all of their fucking movies and marvel shit are bombing hard and not even RDJvengers will save them, it is obvious by now that the investors and higher ups at the top branch are so brainwashed by californian fart sniffling that they rather go bankrupt than save themselves.
Again, it would be funny if Warner let themselves be bought by Disney just for Zazlav pull a internal Douglas takeover at Disney like what happened to Boeing.

it would be the biggest Bugs Bunny trick on Warner's sleeve to assimilate the company from the inside.

>>150878080 (OP)
What'd I tell you? This shit never lasts.

>Ultimate Spider-Man did so well despite not even being a book about Peter that the Spidey office went full on Shut It Down mode
lol
lmao

>>150884092
>a book with only 10% total Spider-Man action outsold Amazing just because he had a family
>after Hickman left it would become a book with likely 20+% total Spider-Man action (with a family)
No wonder they hit the big red button and nuked it.

>>150878080 (OP)
Eh, I'm cool with it. Only good books were Ultimate Wolverine and Ultimate Spider-Man, and both were kinda dragging. Pete's book was just weird pacing due to the real time setting.

Having more fun with Absolute anyway

>>150879184
they do but only as ads for the movies

>>150884165
>Nick Lowe and Tom Brevoort probably realized that if they didn't shut USM down now, they would be rendered obsolete, so they sabotaged the entire line.
I guess the thought of USM going away was the only thing keeping Lowe from having a meltdown at NYCC.

>>150883790
But it was a terrible fit.

>>150883651
>>150883790

I say the following as a Bendis apologist (i.e. I thought USM and his DD were good, if plot-hole riddled).

Bendis had shown he was incapable of writing anything but street level characters. His most critically acclaimed books, New Avengers excepted, were always street level and/or crime related. He was never a good fit for Superman, and I can't imagine why anyone would have thought it was an appropriate choice.

I still think it would have been a terrible fit, but giving Bendis a Batman title would have made infinitely more sense given his bibliography. I know they weren't going to bump off the writer at the time (I think it was Taylor or King? I can't remember), but they should have found something that was actually appropriate for him.

>>150880244
Y'know I guess that is respectable they are ending it before it can turn into even worse shit but goddamn what else do they have that even approaches having the same draw?

>>150884809
>and I can't imagine why anyone would have thought it was an appropriate choice.
they wanted him for the prestige and nothing more
its how hackman still gets work as he has a following that will buy anything he puts out

>>150880378
You can't relate to Peter because you don't have kids, Tom Cuckvoort.

>>150879075
Wincest-CHADs, we're going to win!!!

I finally understand why Marvel and Capcom crossover with eaach other . It's two companies autistically hellbent on pissing away all the goodwill they built up over the years, they're a match made in Hell.

>>150878080 (OP)
Again?
Same shit happened with USM IN 2000!
BUT THAT GOT TO FINISH! Fuck, imagine them killing USM and saying "No, we want you to have suffer Pete, here Mephisto, fuck you!"

616 is like some all-consuming parasite that must have any good characters for it's clusterfuck

>>150883539
Bendis is good on the smaller scale capeshit but he sucks dick at any of the larger planetary/cosmic scale stuff/events/etc. and yet that's pretty much all he's been doing for the past 15 years
Would he be good again if he got put on a street level hero's title? Maybe, maybe not, he might be this rusty that at this point it'd be little different from getting a novice writer on a title

>>150878080 (OP)
So will Paul rape Dylan? Now that it’s ending?

the most ironic this it turns out USM was meant to end earlier this makes spider-man fans Seethe so much.

>>150888579
It means he would've joined the cast of Avengers.

>>150888628
I think not anon.

>>150888534
This is why I made Paul a stalker

>>150888534
Paul's going to rape Dylan, all because of the Gwenschizo and Poland. An entire country of child molesters.

>>150889240
He's very proud of it. He's very proud of the fact that Paul is going to rape a child. He lives for this.

Can’t wait for Mei in 616

>>150888579
that's the exact opposite of what that image says, you brain damaged pedophile
>>150880147
>>150880385
>>150891051
do you get off on pretending to be a lobotomized downie or something?

Probably outside Spiderman and some muggas books the sales weren't that good, because like MC2 and RYB the universe was to bait people who like married spidey(who are more than single one)

>>150891086
616 bound

>>150883395
Wait it's not 1v1s...what the fuck

>>150882277
He didn't even get acknowledged in the Nu Ultimate universe

>>150891630
He’s working for the TVA now.

>>150878080 (OP)
Typical

>>150891610
>DC
>not being retarded
I don't know what I were expecting.
Frankly it's a stupid tug-o-war between them and Marvel on who could be more retarded and Marvel is winning, but DC is still retarded.

“Come to me my waifu!”

>>150882939
Momoko literally just said she would like to work with Camp again

>>150883651
Bendis was actually going to do Green Arrow for 5G. It just got scrapped with everything else when DiDio got fired.

Although you are right that Bendis doing LOSH or Young Justice was bizarre. I'm not sure why he didn't do the Wolfman/Perez Titans if he wanted to do a young team book when it seems much more like his style

>>150883395
'fraid not. Marvel is in shambles.

>>150878514
I wish they'd done it with the first Ultimate universe.

>>150892694
She's Japanese, of course she's going to be polite. They will lie to your face so as to not lose it themselves.

>>150883651
>Who in the fuck thought he would be good on Superman and Young Justice?

Dan Didio. The same person who wanted desperately to make Jon into DC's Miles Morales and firing everyone who disagreed with him.

>>150892736
>Although you are right that Bendis doing LOSH or Young Justice was bizarre.

It's probably something 5G related. Everything Bendis did while Didio was around had something to do with that albatross.

>>150883828
>like what happened to Boeing.
qrd?

>>150878080 (OP)
I feel like it's gonna be a monkeys paw if it does come back now

>>150883396
Yes. Yes you do.

>>150892736
>>150893969
There has been story floating around that Bendis explicitly demanded Legion on the basis that he wanted to do to Legion what he did to Avengers; rape the franchise and remake it in his image and have it sell so well that no one would be able to undo his changes and it would become the definitive version of the franchise going forward

>>150896053
I did know he was trying to get HIS version of LoSH to be the one the DCEU and tv shows would be based on.

Which is why he kept changing races and other changes.

>>150878080 (OP)
RIP

>>150894024
long story short: Boeing bought out a failing rival company, McDonnell Douglas. But the heads of McDonnell Douglas ended up taking over Boeing. Those guys then fucked things up.
https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merger-led-to-the-737-max-crisis

>>150898182
>In a 2007 interview, Ron Woodard, the former president of Boeing’s Commercial Airplane Group, bemoaned the changes the merger brought with it. “We thought that we’d kill McDonnell Douglas and we had it on the ropes,” he said. “I still believe that Harry outsmarted Phil and his gang bought Boeing with Boeing’s money. We were all just disgusted.” More than that, he added, the company had “paid way, way too much money [for McDonnell Douglas] and we’re still paying for it. We wrote off so many tens of billions of dollars for that whole mess.”

>Inside the company, there were rumblings of dissatisfaction. A formerly cosy atmosphere, in which engineers ran the show and executives aged out of the company gracefully, was suddenly cut-throat. In 1998, the year after the merger, Stonecipher warned employees they needed to “quit behaving like a family and become more like a team. If you don’t perform, you don’t stay on the team.”

From reading the article, it reminds me of the sociopath-autist-normie triangle I see posted occasionally.
>Boeing is a faction of engineers
>101010101 their way to gradually buying out their competition
>usurped by socially adept sociopaths they acquired
>company cheapens plane quality
>average normie doesn't know or care until their flight collapses

>>150879139
If that was the case then Peter Parker would at least be able hook up with a twink or something instead of being forced to be miserable and alone.

>>150884809
he asked for superman

>>150879129
Anon he's 25 in my pitch.
Mayday is 3

>>150878080 (OP)
Hickmanverse was shit and the only book that sold was USM and that was more because marriagefags think they're "sending Marvel a message" by doing it as opposed to any actual statement of its quality (it's shit).

>>150878503
>It's all a conspiracy agaisnt LE MARRIAGE
Marriagefags everyone

>>150893368
First Ultimate Universe got better after Ultimatum and it was put into the hands of generally more competent writers (including Hickman before he got a giant ego and started thinking he was a genius) and not fucking Mark Millar.

>>150879622
>Hickman leaves
>everyone else leaves
>Commie Camp wants to stay on so he can be the big dog of the line now
>"Eh, no."
Get fucked faggot.

>>150880244
>top talent
>Brian Hill
Everyone knew that sales were going to tank when Hickman left just like they did for Krakoa (because Hickmanfags are dipshits who only read Hickman) and saw no point in keeping the shambling corpse of his shitty, uninteresting universe going. Camp wanted to keep it going because he got off on the idea of Social Justice Avenges being the main book of the line and likely has a giant ego because of eveyone sucking him off for being LE HECKING GENIUS (because he putts DSA platitudes in Ultimates and AMM is carried by trippy art which impresses midwits) and his retarded ass got slapped back to reality.

>>150900514
You're not the only anon with a pitch
The one I'm referring to is one I came up with called "Spider-Man: Minus One" (as in minus one day)
The idea behind the reboot is a timeline with the opposite effect of OMD/BND, so instead of Peter giving everything away to start fresh, he's given everything he lost from the start at the cost of both uncle Ben and aunt May being dead

>>150882869
Both companies have been shuffling around the same shitty writers who'd be C-listers at best in any other decade for the last 10 years.

>>150900970
...Wat

>>150895485
Fucking hilarious to me that the Absolute books only exist as a scrambled together response the Ultimate books and yet have had better staying power and have outlived them as well

>>150902111
Let's see how it is by the time Batman's at issue 24.

>>150900857
>the marriage is bad because... JUST BECAUSE IT IS, OKAY???

>>150902321
Why does he look like he got caught doing unspeakable acts to Tom Brevoort's coffee in this image?

>>150902111
IIRC Absolute had some seeds pre-Ultimates but Ultimate Marvel coming back was what pushed for Absolute to finally release

>>150902111
Maybe because Absolute isn't as far-up-it's-ass with multiverse crossovers and generally stays self-contained.
It's like them sacrificing 1610 just to bring Miles into 616

>>150903042
Like, New Ultimate jumps headlong into the multiverse stuff and completely ruins the idea of a "Clean slate."
While Absolute generally avoids this with most of it's stuff outside of Absolute Martian Manhunter, which still stays pretty self-contained and even it's multiverse crossover stuff with Darkseid could easily be construed as a new take on the character rather than a reference.

>>150878080 (OP)
At this point i think the whole Marvel editorial are just a bunch of spiteful nerd trolls actively looking how to make people mad angry.
they're the personification of the Eltingville Club guys just looking to show how they are smarter know better than everyone else, they are not different than the so called "toxic fans" they've been complaining so much about.

this is why i told you it was better to just stop caring about comics all together and find something else to read or watch. this fucking mess in the industry wont get any better any time soon.

If I were in charge of Ultimate, I'd just try to give these characters fresh slates rather than trying to tie into a multiverse plot.
They just COULD not resist plopping Miles in there

>>150903145
This. I don't care if I sound like a samefag. All /co/ anons need to just read old shit and new indies if they are worth a damn. Big 2 is shit for the most part. Maybe there's a series worth reading here and there but only if they are dumped here.

>>150878503
>where Spidey is happy and married with a kid
this comic isn't even about spider-man retard have you read the comic

>>150878735
>polishpedoschizo doesn't understand that that moniker is for him
lol
you really ARE just as bad as the gwenschizo

>>150900857
>t-the post-Ultimatum was good actually
Oh shut the fuck up already.
Post-Ultimatum books were awful
>muh boring Spencer garbage is totally good
No, kill yourself. Spencer is a total talentless hack who has made maybe one decent book at best (and he still refuses to finish it.) and it wasn't for Marvel.

>>150879169
FF was interesting before Hickman and right now.
You are right with the others

>>150902217
Batman will be trapped in condiment kings industrial mustard and torture factory where they squeeze mexicans into salsa

>Dark Knight Returns Ending After Just 4 issues is due to Editorial Mandates
That's how you all sound. Fucking retards.

Sell the company.

>>150901128
Sorry if I worded it poorly
It's the opposite of Mephisto's deal

>>150898744
Funny though - why the fuck don't they just have Peter and Miles hook up? Peter would get a protege, a twink AND a black man as a lover. That's three alphabet birds with one stone.

>>150878080 (OP)
The Ultimate universe has and will always suck. It already is Absolute Marvel.

>>150878080 (OP)
You, the other day, during one of the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man dumps, someone resentfully complained about that comic being cancelled and very overtly blamed it on Marvel supposedly being outraged that it was selling better than Mile's Ultimate Spider-Man. I called him a fucking schizo.

Seeing this, I'm starting to think I am the real idiot.

>>150908202
>Marvel Adventures Spider-Man
Is that the one with that mutant with the horrible name. Wtf kinda name is chat?
Yeah, those books suuckked hard.

>>150879005
Did they forget that Ultimate is already Marvel Absolute?

AND THAT'S WHY MANGA IS SUPERIOR
They have 1 single author control their own work and their own settings

>>150908737
gay retard

>>150908737
That's a pretty poor example for you to use, because Naruto is on equal footing with the typical big two slop.

>>150903042
>>150903122
A crossover with the main universe was built into Absolute from its very conception. The entire thing was created by Darkseid. The evil Legion is in Superman. They're going to be involved in DC KO and beyond.

>>150907999
No one cares about your gay fantasies.

>>150903042
>He doesn't know

>>150909772
>>150910019
The point is that despite that, it stays relatively self-contained and doesn't contain references to the prime universe every issue, and when it does it's rather vague

>>150908737
>Posts a manga with a sequel not even written by the original mangaka

>>150910363
Neither did the new Ultimate Universe for a while. It'll get that way eventually.

>>150908616
That's a you problem

>>150908202
The argument doesn't work because you can look at Comichron and see where MA Spider-Man and Miles Ultimate placed on the charts

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2010/2010-12.html
The MA Spider-Man relaunch was at #266 of the chart in 2010 before Miles

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-11.html
Marvel Adventures Spider-Man #20 was at #270 while Miles USM was on its fourth issue, ranking at #37

>>150910867
>you problem
Not really. It was an everyone problem, hence it getting canned.
You had too much focus on muties in a Spider-Man book, a terrible OC character with an awful name, Emma Frost being out of place, an OOC Gwen and not using some of the better supporting cast from 616.

>>150911038
So yes, a you problem.

>>150911067
No, it was literally cancelled. So everyone had a problem with it.

>>150911371
Ah I see now, you are that schizo who's obsessed with Gwen

>>150911371
It lasted seven years with the Tobin run in particular lasting three years, that's a healthy run.

This universe is such an unmitigated failure.

>>150911384
??
Ma'am this is an anonymous forum.
>>150911548
Meh. It couldn't even reach a 100 issues and is largely forgotten by everyone.
Only /co/ seem to have a boner for it because of that mutant with the retarded name.

>>150911622
Yeah, most comic buyers have bad taste. They'd rather buy old Bendisslop than a nice comic.

>>150911622
Sure thing, schizo

>>150911646
>implying /co/ has good taste
lol. This is the same place I saw unironic praise for Slotto Spider-Man
>>150911680
>schizo accuses you of a being some schizo
Never change 4chan

>>150911698
The /co/nsensus is that it started out all right, and then started taking major stupid pills with Superior and never looked back.