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Ultimate Universe Ending is due to Editorial Mandates
https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-ultimate-universe-marvel-endgame-jonathan-hickman-dan-buckley

It wasn’t that Hickman wanted to stop. It wasn’t that sales weren’t strong enough. It was just a small and elite group of glue sniffers angry about USM outselling ASM.

They Krakoa’d Hickman again.
Anonymous No.150878176 [Report] >>150878514 >>150878596
>>150878080 (OP)
> “We were at one of those creative retreats and I was sitting next to him, we’re just talking, and he’s like, ‘Well, we’re finishing our stories, then you could do that.’ I said, ‘No, you’re done,’” Buckley remembered. “I was by myself with Jon, Jonathan’s looking at me, he goes, ‘What do you mean we’re done?’ I said, ‘We’re shutting it down.’ He goes, ‘Why are we shutting it down?’ I said, ‘It’s the end, right?’”

> Turns out that, even though Hickman had written a two-year-and-done storyline, he still didn’t think Marvel would cancel the line after it was done. Buckley, however, felt that it was important to do so.

>“There’s a lot of story being told here. You’ll be able to take this journey — take the beginning, the middle, and the end — and digest it for years to come and be able to pass it on to people and say, ‘This is the experiment, this type of storytelling, we’re allowed to do this,’” Buckley explained, arguing that allowing this incarnation of the Ultimate Universe to stand apart from anything before or after was important as a statement of creative intent.

Does Dan Buckley have autism?
Anonymous No.150878457 [Report]
Welcome to 616 Mei!
Anonymous No.150878473 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Hickman is a hack
Anonymous No.150878503 [Report] >>150879139 >>150900857 >>150903804
>>150878080 (OP)
Someone in corporate didn't like that the one where Spidey is happy and married with a kid was outselling the mainstream comic where he's broke, single, and miserable.
Anonymous No.150878514 [Report] >>150893368
>>150878176
Better to end that to drag forever.
Anonymous No.150878596 [Report] >>150879535
>>150878176
This would make sense if you actually told your writers this was the plan at the start.
Anonymous No.150878691 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
This reminds me of the time Venom was cancelled despite being one of Marvel's highest selling titles because the Editor in Chief at the time was mad that Venom was more popular than the villains created in the 60's.
Anonymous No.150878726 [Report] >>150878735 >>150879307
>>150878080 (OP)
There’s already a thread faggot fuck off >>150872118
Anonymous No.150878735 [Report] >>150879553 >>150903823
>>150878726
>The Polish Pedoschizo thinks he owns 4Chan.
Sad!
Anonymous No.150878985 [Report]
Hickman wasn't Krakoa'd. He left voluntarily. He wasn't going to write any more Ultimate books, he was done. He's just surprised Marvel decided they weren't going to bother to continue the line without him.
Anonymous No.150879005 [Report] >>150879075 >>150879129 >>150879149 >>150879184 >>150908664
>>150878080 (OP)
>The rumors of the ultimate universe ending because of Disney mandate for a marvel absolute is sounding more likely to be confirm to be true
So…. How edgy will marvel allow the marvel absolute to be?
Anonymous No.150879019 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
No Paul No more Ultimate Universe
Anonymous No.150879075 [Report] >>150880123 >>150882015 >>150882400 >>150887566
>>150879005
Hulk/She-Hulk incest
Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch incest
Colossus/Magik incest
Namor/Namora incest

Incest, incest, incest
Anonymous No.150879112 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
So when is Hickman going to finally leave Marvel and go to DC?
Anonymous No.150879129 [Report] >>150900514
>>150879005
They'd copy anon's pitch of making Peter a teenage father and balancing that with his life as Spider-Man
Anonymous No.150879139 [Report] >>150879507 >>150879806 >>150880183 >>150898744
>>150878503
Disney woke ideologues hate heterosexuality and nuclear families on principle.
Anonymous No.150879149 [Report] >>150879514
>>150879005
That sounds absolutely fake.
Anonymous No.150879169 [Report] >>150906621
>>150878080 (OP)
>be hickman
>receive from marvel classic characters in shitty storyline
>nobody care anymore
>create great story
>character interesting again
>introduce catchy dilema which make readers thinking
>end of story arc
>every interesting things destroyed by marvel
>put back characters in boring and lame storyline
>...
>repeat with anothers characters

After Fantastic Four, Avengers and X-Men, it's actually not a surprise.
Anonymous No.150879184 [Report] >>150884375
>>150879005
Disney doesn't care about comics
Anonymous No.150879307 [Report]
>>150878726
No, go to hell. Kill yourself!
Anonymous No.150879379 [Report] >>150879390
I hope the backlash makes the Ultimate editorial continue the universe.
Anonymous No.150879390 [Report] >>150879418
>>150879379
You're the kind of person who watches every post-Endgame MCU movie, aren't you?
Anonymous No.150879418 [Report] >>150879564
>>150879390
All 2 of them?
Anonymous No.150879507 [Report] >>150879806
>>150879139
Marvel editorial has hated Peter being happy since 1987. The whole original point of The Clone Saga was to erase Spider-Man being married by saying that every story since the original clone one was us following a fake Spider-Man and not the real original one.

It's all because everyone hated anything done under Jim Shooter's tenure and he was the one who pushed for Peter and MJ to get married.
Anonymous No.150879514 [Report]
>>150879149
Yes. It’s a simpson posting edit dumb arse.
Anonymous No.150879520 [Report] >>150879549 >>150879563
>>150878080 (OP)
Oh, so it IS yet another "Marvel is ran by fucking retards" moment
Anonymous No.150879535 [Report] >>150879549 >>150879563 >>150879622
>>150878596
Yeah Camp is on Twitter currently detailing everyone's plans had things not got canned, so it's obvious no one knew this before hand, I just know DC is laughing
Anonymous No.150879549 [Report]
>>150879520
>>150879535
It's no wonder why comic crash of 96 took place with these type of retards running things between the big two comic makers
Anonymous No.150879553 [Report] >>150880863
>>150878735
Cebulski is also Polish btw:
ttps://forebears.io/surnames/cebulski
Anonymous No.150879563 [Report] >>150879725
>>150879520
>>150879535
It's no wonder why the comic crash of 96 took place when these type of retards was and still running things in the big two comic makers
Anonymous No.150879564 [Report] >>150879600
>>150879418
Not counting the Spider-film Sony co-productions that justified their existence, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, Wakanda Forever, Quantumania, Guardians 3, The Marvels, Deadpool and Wolverine, Brave New World, Thunderbolts, First Steps
That you thought there were only two says it all.
Anonymous No.150879600 [Report]
>>150879564
I thought most of those was Pre Endgame
Anonymous No.150879622 [Report] >>150880147 >>150880190 >>150882939 >>150900949
>>150879535
>everyone's
It was literally just his plans. He says himself that everyone else was done and wanted out.
Anonymous No.150879725 [Report] >>150880508 >>150881042 >>150882869 >>150883672
>>150879563
DC is winning another war for being KISS once more, and Marvel fucking themselves again, now with tdisney's help because they cant fire the Cult of Quesada and anti Shooter hate.
Watch Hickman, Ewing and every writer who was keeping Marvel Relevant going to DC and Image(this one thanks to transformers is on the rise once more) while marvel hires the retards DC fired for praising Charlie Kirk's death with not even the Speculators buying the comics with extra covers anymore because it wont sell a dime later on.

At this rate, is Warner who is letting themselves being bought by Disney to pull a Douglas and take all of Disney and Marvel's seats as they did with Boeing.
Anonymous No.150879806 [Report] >>150880596
>>150879139
OMD happen well before Disney bought marvel, same with clone saga>>150879507
. Disney doesn't give a shit about it's comic division at most they see it as a place to workshop ideas for movie and TV storylines. As long as it isn't losing money hand over fist they won't get involved. The senior editorial have suffered from the group think of Peter needs to be single and constantly down on his luck for decades. You won't get elevated to senior staff unless you share those views. I wouldn't mind if Disney came in a cleaned house at Marvel.
Anonymous No.150879879 [Report] >>150880109
>>150878080 (OP)
It says the two year thing was Hickman's idea. Perhaps Hickman just assumed the whole universe wasn't going down with him
Anonymous No.150880109 [Report]
>>150879879
Yeah. All of the runs feels like they could continue beyong their writers...
Except Wolverine, who is all about destroying the X-men cast in the Nultiverse.
The same run whose writer was picked by Will Moss instead of Hickman and Camp...
STRANGE ISN'T IT?
Anonymous No.150880123 [Report]
>>150879075
You forgot the cannibalism
Anonymous No.150880147 [Report] >>150891086
>>150879622
She’s definitely going to 616 Earth.
Anonymous No.150880171 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
>Marvel is retarded
Nothing new.
Or that could be :
>People DARE to prefer Ultimate Spider-Man over the regular one ?! Cancel it.
Anonymous No.150880183 [Report]
>>150879139
Don't we all?
Anonymous No.150880190 [Report] >>150880244 >>150880314 >>150880317
>>150879622
Oh my goodness this is worst than I thought.
Like, I could see someone so Ultimate Venom following Richard, or do Ultimate Guardians or Ultimate Thor (whose storyline will never conclude now).
Or even new stuff like Ultimate Ghost Rider or Ultimate FF...
Marvel didn't shoot its foot, it blasted it.
Anonymous No.150880244 [Report] >>150884846 >>150900949
>>150880190
Marvel didn't do anything. All their top talent were finished with their Ultimate books and everyone else remotely close to top talent didn't want to be part of the relaunch. They decided to end the line rather than limp onwards with a dud of a relaunch featuring Deniz Camp and the rest of the D-list.
Anonymous No.150880314 [Report]
>>150880190
funny thing is hickman was very much setting up the brocks in USM 12, which as im typing i realise was the venom reveal issue so there was probably some plans for a venom book
Anonymous No.150880317 [Report] >>150880539 >>150882306
>>150880190
>Ultimate Venom following Richard
>Ultimate Guardians
>Ultimate Thor .
>Ultimate Ghost Rider
>Ultimate FF

BOX OFFICE POISON
Anonymous No.150880344 [Report] >>150880385
They really just killed the one good thing they made in a while because we didn't want to eat the deformed, synergetic piece of shit that mainline became lmao.
Anonymous No.150880378 [Report] >>150887466
Full disclosure? I wanted to read a Spider-Man comic. Not
>Peter dotes on his daughter and ignores his son: the experience
Anonymous No.150880385 [Report] >>150880570 >>150880668 >>150880670 >>150882194 >>150882277 >>150891086
>>150880344
At least Ourgirl will survive….
Anonymous No.150880508 [Report]
>>150879725
DC winning by just carrying on as usual while Marvel goes ascended Retard
Anonymous No.150880539 [Report]
>>150880317
>Ultimate Venom
>POISON
Heh, I see what you did
Anonymous No.150880570 [Report]
>>150880385
Damn she’s so hawt.
I guess none of her friends will join her?
Anonymous No.150880596 [Report] >>150880651
>>150879806
Disney animation lead by Jennifer Lee has an explicit policy that the leads can't have heterosexual romance. She publicly brags about it. the rest of the company is the same
Anonymous No.150880651 [Report] >>150880668 >>150880831
>>150880596
Stop talking out of your ass.
Anonymous No.150880668 [Report]
>>150880385
Storm wanted a Daughterfu, here she is.
Still wont save the company

>>150880651
Sure tranny
Anonymous No.150880670 [Report] >>150880727
>>150880385
This makes sense why Peach let Ziglar use her in Incursions miniseries.
Anonymous No.150880727 [Report] >>150881019
>>150880670
It isnt because ziglar is a groomer?
Anonymous No.150880831 [Report]
>>150880651
Jennifer Lee openly brags about this policy. Disney ideologues think giving females happy heterosexual romantic relationships makes them weak.
Anonymous No.150880863 [Report]
>>150879553
I thought he was Japanese?
Anonymous No.150881019 [Report]
>>150880727
It gave Mei someone she knows before transferring over to 616.
Anonymous No.150881042 [Report] >>150883828
>>150879725
>disney's help because they cant fire the Cult of Quesada
Why can't Disney fire them?
Anonymous No.150881988 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Anonymous No.150882015 [Report]
>>150879075
Memes aside cousinfucking is barely incest.
Anonymous No.150882037 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
i dont buy that, it is profitable and well received. maybe one of them diddled kids? OMG hope it ain't that
Anonymous No.150882194 [Report]
>>150880385
Prepare for her to get shoved in either Miles book or disappear in the X-books with all the other new mutants
Anonymous No.150882277 [Report] >>150882316 >>150891630
>>150880385
Her predecessor in 'mutant universe-hopping' is James Hudson. Take a look at him and ask yourself whether you want her to follow in his footsteps.
Anonymous No.150882306 [Report] >>150882490
>>150880317
Ultimate Venom should be without Richard.
Anonymous No.150882316 [Report]
>>150882277
He looks like Creed mpregged Logan.
Anonymous No.150882370 [Report] >>150883395
>>150878080 (OP)
Well I am done with Marvel altogether once Ultimate Marvel officially end. And whenever Absolute DC officially end, time to finally grow up and stop reading capeshit.
Anonymous No.150882400 [Report]
>>150879075
Namor and Namora aren't actually blood related. Namora was adopted into the royal family and only cousins through adoption.
Anonymous No.150882490 [Report]
>>150882306
Ultimate Venom should be a traumatized Ben Parker that witness his family and universe die. Became Ultimate Galactus's Herald and officially known as Cosmic Venom. Captured and tortured by Ultimate Thanos for millenniums. Finally transported into 616 just because.
Anonymous No.150882869 [Report] >>150883151 >>150900989
>>150879725
What if DC raids Hickman and Ewing and Marvel, in response, pulls a "Bendis is coming" and steals Tom Taylor or Tom King.

Can this please happen?
Anonymous No.150882939 [Report] >>150892694
>>150879622
This makes me think nobody wanted to work with Camp, and I hope this is true.
Anonymous No.150883151 [Report] >>150883220 >>150883539
>>150882869
DC should poach Bendis, Slott and Brevoort from Marvel. They would make a great addition to DC's talent pool.
Anonymous No.150883220 [Report] >>150883396
>>150883151
Are you stuck in the 2010s or are you a bot?
Bendis had his chance at DC and is no longer with them
Slott's been over at DC for months now
Anonymous No.150883395 [Report] >>150891610 >>150893269
>>150882370
I give Absolute 3 years. KO is about to flop because it's not 1v1 like it was advertised. The other event has bad Robib suit designs. You would think that means DC would want to keep Absolute for a long time, but they will go the retarded direction.
Anonymous No.150883396 [Report] >>150883412 >>150895735
>>150883220
Are you seriously this stupid? Do you need a "/s" at the end of everything because you are this stupid?
Anonymous No.150883412 [Report] >>150883486
>>150883396
>I wasn't a slowpoke, y-you're the stupid one

That's some cope there
Anonymous No.150883486 [Report]
>>150883412
The cope is you being too stupid to detect sarcasm without the "/s". Al Ewing is also writing Absolute Green Lantern but then again you are too stupid to realize this.
Anonymous No.150883539 [Report] >>150883643 >>150883651 >>150888446
>>150883151
Bendis is fucking washed, and I'm not entirely convinced his few successes weren't just flukes. Guy needs to put down the pen and get a barista job already.
Anonymous No.150883643 [Report]
>>150883539
Bendis is washed but most cape writers are like C-suites, their failures just mean another opportunity for a promotion and upward mobility.
Anonymous No.150883651 [Report] >>150883669 >>150883790 >>150884809 >>150892736 >>150893950
>>150883539
I still flabbergasted when he went to DC he didn’t work on Green Arrow or Vigilante or Nightwing.

Who in the fuck thought he would be good on Superman and Young Justice?
Anonymous No.150883669 [Report]
>>150883651
Or Legion of SuperHeroes
Anonymous No.150883672 [Report]
>>150879725
>KISS
Ace Frehley is dead ;_;
Anonymous No.150883790 [Report] >>150884549 >>150884809
>>150883651
When you give someone a big exclusive contract, you don't put them on B-listers and below. Back in the early 10s Hickman was yanked off Ultimates mid-arc and put on Avengers because the sales were too low to justify his exclusive contract.
Anonymous No.150883828 [Report] >>150894024
>>150881042
Disney higher ups has to fire them by Q2-Q1 2026 to save costs, if they dont now that all of their fucking movies and marvel shit are bombing hard and not even RDJvengers will save them, it is obvious by now that the investors and higher ups at the top branch are so brainwashed by californian fart sniffling that they rather go bankrupt than save themselves.
Again, it would be funny if Warner let themselves be bought by Disney just for Zazlav pull a internal Douglas takeover at Disney like what happened to Boeing.

it would be the biggest Bugs Bunny trick on Warner's sleeve to assimilate the company from the inside.
Anonymous No.150883852 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
What'd I tell you? This shit never lasts.
Anonymous No.150884092 [Report] >>150884165
>Ultimate Spider-Man did so well despite not even being a book about Peter that the Spidey office went full on Shut It Down mode
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.150884165 [Report] >>150884417
>>150884092
>a book with only 10% total Spider-Man action outsold Amazing just because he had a family
>after Hickman left it would become a book with likely 20+% total Spider-Man action (with a family)
No wonder they hit the big red button and nuked it.
Anonymous No.150884361 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Eh, I'm cool with it. Only good books were Ultimate Wolverine and Ultimate Spider-Man, and both were kinda dragging. Pete's book was just weird pacing due to the real time setting.

Having more fun with Absolute anyway
Anonymous No.150884375 [Report]
>>150879184
they do but only as ads for the movies
Anonymous No.150884417 [Report]
>>150884165
>Nick Lowe and Tom Brevoort probably realized that if they didn't shut USM down now, they would be rendered obsolete, so they sabotaged the entire line.
I guess the thought of USM going away was the only thing keeping Lowe from having a meltdown at NYCC.
Anonymous No.150884549 [Report]
>>150883790
But it was a terrible fit.
Anonymous No.150884809 [Report] >>150884864 >>150899036
>>150883651
>>150883790

I say the following as a Bendis apologist (i.e. I thought USM and his DD were good, if plot-hole riddled).

Bendis had shown he was incapable of writing anything but street level characters. His most critically acclaimed books, New Avengers excepted, were always street level and/or crime related. He was never a good fit for Superman, and I can't imagine why anyone would have thought it was an appropriate choice.

I still think it would have been a terrible fit, but giving Bendis a Batman title would have made infinitely more sense given his bibliography. I know they weren't going to bump off the writer at the time (I think it was Taylor or King? I can't remember), but they should have found something that was actually appropriate for him.
Anonymous No.150884846 [Report]
>>150880244
Y'know I guess that is respectable they are ending it before it can turn into even worse shit but goddamn what else do they have that even approaches having the same draw?
Anonymous No.150884864 [Report]
>>150884809
>and I can't imagine why anyone would have thought it was an appropriate choice.
they wanted him for the prestige and nothing more
its how hackman still gets work as he has a following that will buy anything he puts out
Anonymous No.150887466 [Report]
>>150880378
You can't relate to Peter because you don't have kids, Tom Cuckvoort.
Anonymous No.150887566 [Report]
>>150879075
Wincest-CHADs, we're going to win!!!
Anonymous No.150887945 [Report]
I finally understand why Marvel and Capcom crossover with eaach other . It's two companies autistically hellbent on pissing away all the goodwill they built up over the years, they're a match made in Hell.
Anonymous No.150888408 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Again?
Same shit happened with USM IN 2000!
BUT THAT GOT TO FINISH! Fuck, imagine them killing USM and saying "No, we want you to have suffer Pete, here Mephisto, fuck you!"
Anonymous No.150888414 [Report]
616 is like some all-consuming parasite that must have any good characters for it's clusterfuck
Anonymous No.150888446 [Report]
>>150883539
Bendis is good on the smaller scale capeshit but he sucks dick at any of the larger planetary/cosmic scale stuff/events/etc. and yet that's pretty much all he's been doing for the past 15 years
Would he be good again if he got put on a street level hero's title? Maybe, maybe not, he might be this rusty that at this point it'd be little different from getting a novice writer on a title
Anonymous No.150888534 [Report] >>150888735 >>150889240
>>150878080 (OP)
So will Paul rape Dylan? Now that it’s ending?
Anonymous No.150888579 [Report] >>150888628 >>150891086
the most ironic this it turns out USM was meant to end earlier this makes spider-man fans Seethe so much.
Anonymous No.150888628 [Report] >>150888654
>>150888579
It means he would've joined the cast of Avengers.
Anonymous No.150888654 [Report]
>>150888628
I think not anon.
Anonymous No.150888735 [Report]
>>150888534
This is why I made Paul a stalker
Anonymous No.150889240 [Report] >>150889366
>>150888534
Paul's going to rape Dylan, all because of the Gwenschizo and Poland. An entire country of child molesters.
Anonymous No.150889366 [Report]
>>150889240
He's very proud of it. He's very proud of the fact that Paul is going to rape a child. He lives for this.
Anonymous No.150891051 [Report] >>150891086
Can’t wait for Mei in 616
Anonymous No.150891086 [Report] >>150891598
>>150888579
that's the exact opposite of what that image says, you brain damaged pedophile
>>150880147
>>150880385
>>150891051
do you get off on pretending to be a lobotomized downie or something?
Anonymous No.150891295 [Report]
Probably outside Spiderman and some muggas books the sales weren't that good, because like MC2 and RYB the universe was to bait people who like married spidey(who are more than single one)
Anonymous No.150891598 [Report]
>>150891086
616 bound
Anonymous No.150891610 [Report] >>150892593
>>150883395
Wait it's not 1v1s...what the fuck
Anonymous No.150891630 [Report] >>150891658
>>150882277
He didn't even get acknowledged in the Nu Ultimate universe
Anonymous No.150891658 [Report]
>>150891630
He’s working for the TVA now.
Anonymous No.150892311 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Typical
Anonymous No.150892593 [Report]
>>150891610
>DC
>not being retarded
I don't know what I were expecting.
Frankly it's a stupid tug-o-war between them and Marvel on who could be more retarded and Marvel is winning, but DC is still retarded.
Anonymous No.150892657 [Report]
“Come to me my waifu!”
Anonymous No.150892694 [Report] >>150893855
>>150882939
Momoko literally just said she would like to work with Camp again
Anonymous No.150892736 [Report] >>150893969 >>150896053
>>150883651
Bendis was actually going to do Green Arrow for 5G. It just got scrapped with everything else when DiDio got fired.

Although you are right that Bendis doing LOSH or Young Justice was bizarre. I'm not sure why he didn't do the Wolfman/Perez Titans if he wanted to do a young team book when it seems much more like his style
Anonymous No.150893269 [Report]
>>150883395
'fraid not. Marvel is in shambles.
Anonymous No.150893368 [Report] >>150900857
>>150878514
I wish they'd done it with the first Ultimate universe.
Anonymous No.150893855 [Report]
>>150892694
She's Japanese, of course she's going to be polite. They will lie to your face so as to not lose it themselves.
Anonymous No.150893950 [Report]
>>150883651
>Who in the fuck thought he would be good on Superman and Young Justice?

Dan Didio. The same person who wanted desperately to make Jon into DC's Miles Morales and firing everyone who disagreed with him.
Anonymous No.150893969 [Report] >>150896053
>>150892736
>Although you are right that Bendis doing LOSH or Young Justice was bizarre.

It's probably something 5G related. Everything Bendis did while Didio was around had something to do with that albatross.
Anonymous No.150894024 [Report] >>150898182
>>150883828
>like what happened to Boeing.
qrd?
Anonymous No.150895485 [Report] >>150902111
>>150878080 (OP)
I feel like it's gonna be a monkeys paw if it does come back now
Anonymous No.150895735 [Report]
>>150883396
Yes. Yes you do.
Anonymous No.150896053 [Report] >>150896168
>>150892736
>>150893969
There has been story floating around that Bendis explicitly demanded Legion on the basis that he wanted to do to Legion what he did to Avengers; rape the franchise and remake it in his image and have it sell so well that no one would be able to undo his changes and it would become the definitive version of the franchise going forward
Anonymous No.150896168 [Report]
>>150896053
I did know he was trying to get HIS version of LoSH to be the one the DCEU and tv shows would be based on.

Which is why he kept changing races and other changes.
Anonymous No.150897890 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
RIP
Anonymous No.150898182 [Report] >>150898520
>>150894024
long story short: Boeing bought out a failing rival company, McDonnell Douglas. But the heads of McDonnell Douglas ended up taking over Boeing. Those guys then fucked things up.
https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merger-led-to-the-737-max-crisis
Anonymous No.150898520 [Report]
>>150898182
>In a 2007 interview, Ron Woodard, the former president of Boeing’s Commercial Airplane Group, bemoaned the changes the merger brought with it. “We thought that we’d kill McDonnell Douglas and we had it on the ropes,” he said. “I still believe that Harry outsmarted Phil and his gang bought Boeing with Boeing’s money. We were all just disgusted.” More than that, he added, the company had “paid way, way too much money [for McDonnell Douglas] and we’re still paying for it. We wrote off so many tens of billions of dollars for that whole mess.”

>Inside the company, there were rumblings of dissatisfaction. A formerly cosy atmosphere, in which engineers ran the show and executives aged out of the company gracefully, was suddenly cut-throat. In 1998, the year after the merger, Stonecipher warned employees they needed to “quit behaving like a family and become more like a team. If you don’t perform, you don’t stay on the team.”

From reading the article, it reminds me of the sociopath-autist-normie triangle I see posted occasionally.
>Boeing is a faction of engineers
>101010101 their way to gradually buying out their competition
>usurped by socially adept sociopaths they acquired
>company cheapens plane quality
>average normie doesn't know or care until their flight collapses
Anonymous No.150898744 [Report] >>150907999
>>150879139
If that was the case then Peter Parker would at least be able hook up with a twink or something instead of being forced to be miserable and alone.
Anonymous No.150899036 [Report]
>>150884809
he asked for superman
Anonymous No.150900514 [Report] >>150900970
>>150879129
Anon he's 25 in my pitch.
Mayday is 3
Anonymous No.150900779 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
Hickmanverse was shit and the only book that sold was USM and that was more because marriagefags think they're "sending Marvel a message" by doing it as opposed to any actual statement of its quality (it's shit).
Anonymous No.150900857 [Report] >>150902321 >>150905917
>>150878503
>It's all a conspiracy agaisnt LE MARRIAGE
Marriagefags everyone

>>150893368
First Ultimate Universe got better after Ultimatum and it was put into the hands of generally more competent writers (including Hickman before he got a giant ego and started thinking he was a genius) and not fucking Mark Millar.
Anonymous No.150900949 [Report]
>>150879622
>Hickman leaves
>everyone else leaves
>Commie Camp wants to stay on so he can be the big dog of the line now
>"Eh, no."
Get fucked faggot.

>>150880244
>top talent
>Brian Hill
Everyone knew that sales were going to tank when Hickman left just like they did for Krakoa (because Hickmanfags are dipshits who only read Hickman) and saw no point in keeping the shambling corpse of his shitty, uninteresting universe going. Camp wanted to keep it going because he got off on the idea of Social Justice Avenges being the main book of the line and likely has a giant ego because of eveyone sucking him off for being LE HECKING GENIUS (because he putts DSA platitudes in Ultimates and AMM is carried by trippy art which impresses midwits) and his retarded ass got slapped back to reality.
Anonymous No.150900970 [Report] >>150901128
>>150900514
You're not the only anon with a pitch
The one I'm referring to is one I came up with called "Spider-Man: Minus One" (as in minus one day)
The idea behind the reboot is a timeline with the opposite effect of OMD/BND, so instead of Peter giving everything away to start fresh, he's given everything he lost from the start at the cost of both uncle Ben and aunt May being dead
Anonymous No.150900989 [Report]
>>150882869
Both companies have been shuffling around the same shitty writers who'd be C-listers at best in any other decade for the last 10 years.
Anonymous No.150901128 [Report] >>150907996
>>150900970
...Wat
Anonymous No.150902111 [Report] >>150902217 >>150902390 >>150903042
>>150895485
Fucking hilarious to me that the Absolute books only exist as a scrambled together response the Ultimate books and yet have had better staying power and have outlived them as well
Anonymous No.150902217 [Report] >>150906852
>>150902111
Let's see how it is by the time Batman's at issue 24.
Anonymous No.150902321 [Report] >>150902373
>>150900857
>the marriage is bad because... JUST BECAUSE IT IS, OKAY???
Anonymous No.150902373 [Report]
>>150902321
Why does he look like he got caught doing unspeakable acts to Tom Brevoort's coffee in this image?
Anonymous No.150902390 [Report]
>>150902111
IIRC Absolute had some seeds pre-Ultimates but Ultimate Marvel coming back was what pushed for Absolute to finally release
Anonymous No.150903042 [Report] >>150903122 >>150909772 >>150910019
>>150902111
Maybe because Absolute isn't as far-up-it's-ass with multiverse crossovers and generally stays self-contained.
It's like them sacrificing 1610 just to bring Miles into 616
Anonymous No.150903122 [Report] >>150909772
>>150903042
Like, New Ultimate jumps headlong into the multiverse stuff and completely ruins the idea of a "Clean slate."
While Absolute generally avoids this with most of it's stuff outside of Absolute Martian Manhunter, which still stays pretty self-contained and even it's multiverse crossover stuff with Darkseid could easily be construed as a new take on the character rather than a reference.
Anonymous No.150903145 [Report] >>150903512
>>150878080 (OP)
At this point i think the whole Marvel editorial are just a bunch of spiteful nerd trolls actively looking how to make people mad angry.
they're the personification of the Eltingville Club guys just looking to show how they are smarter know better than everyone else, they are not different than the so called "toxic fans" they've been complaining so much about.

this is why i told you it was better to just stop caring about comics all together and find something else to read or watch. this fucking mess in the industry wont get any better any time soon.
Anonymous No.150903161 [Report]
If I were in charge of Ultimate, I'd just try to give these characters fresh slates rather than trying to tie into a multiverse plot.
They just COULD not resist plopping Miles in there
Anonymous No.150903512 [Report]
>>150903145
This. I don't care if I sound like a samefag. All /co/ anons need to just read old shit and new indies if they are worth a damn. Big 2 is shit for the most part. Maybe there's a series worth reading here and there but only if they are dumped here.
Anonymous No.150903804 [Report]
>>150878503
>where Spidey is happy and married with a kid
this comic isn't even about spider-man retard have you read the comic
Anonymous No.150903823 [Report]
>>150878735
>polishpedoschizo doesn't understand that that moniker is for him
lol
you really ARE just as bad as the gwenschizo
Anonymous No.150905917 [Report]
>>150900857
>t-the post-Ultimatum was good actually
Oh shut the fuck up already.
Post-Ultimatum books were awful
>muh boring Spencer garbage is totally good
No, kill yourself. Spencer is a total talentless hack who has made maybe one decent book at best (and he still refuses to finish it.) and it wasn't for Marvel.
Anonymous No.150906621 [Report]
>>150879169
FF was interesting before Hickman and right now.
You are right with the others
Anonymous No.150906852 [Report]
>>150902217
Batman will be trapped in condiment kings industrial mustard and torture factory where they squeeze mexicans into salsa
Anonymous No.150906869 [Report]
>Dark Knight Returns Ending After Just 4 issues is due to Editorial Mandates
That's how you all sound. Fucking retards.
Anonymous No.150907985 [Report]
Sell the company.
Anonymous No.150907996 [Report]
>>150901128
Sorry if I worded it poorly
It's the opposite of Mephisto's deal
Anonymous No.150907999 [Report] >>150909935
>>150898744
Funny though - why the fuck don't they just have Peter and Miles hook up? Peter would get a protege, a twink AND a black man as a lover. That's three alphabet birds with one stone.
Anonymous No.150908042 [Report]
>>150878080 (OP)
The Ultimate universe has and will always suck. It already is Absolute Marvel.
Anonymous No.150908202 [Report] >>150908616 >>150910867
>>150878080 (OP)
You, the other day, during one of the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man dumps, someone resentfully complained about that comic being cancelled and very overtly blamed it on Marvel supposedly being outraged that it was selling better than Mile's Ultimate Spider-Man. I called him a fucking schizo.

Seeing this, I'm starting to think I am the real idiot.
Anonymous No.150908616 [Report] >>150910867
>>150908202
>Marvel Adventures Spider-Man
Is that the one with that mutant with the horrible name. Wtf kinda name is chat?
Yeah, those books suuckked hard.
Anonymous No.150908664 [Report]
>>150879005
Did they forget that Ultimate is already Marvel Absolute?
Anonymous No.150908737 [Report] >>150908746 >>150908824 >>150910426
AND THAT'S WHY MANGA IS SUPERIOR
They have 1 single author control their own work and their own settings
Anonymous No.150908746 [Report]
>>150908737
gay retard
Anonymous No.150908824 [Report]
>>150908737
That's a pretty poor example for you to use, because Naruto is on equal footing with the typical big two slop.
Anonymous No.150909772 [Report] >>150910363
>>150903042
>>150903122
A crossover with the main universe was built into Absolute from its very conception. The entire thing was created by Darkseid. The evil Legion is in Superman. They're going to be involved in DC KO and beyond.
Anonymous No.150909935 [Report]
>>150907999
No one cares about your gay fantasies.
Anonymous No.150910019 [Report] >>150910363
>>150903042
>He doesn't know
Anonymous No.150910363 [Report] >>150910435
>>150909772
>>150910019
The point is that despite that, it stays relatively self-contained and doesn't contain references to the prime universe every issue, and when it does it's rather vague
Anonymous No.150910426 [Report]
>>150908737
>Posts a manga with a sequel not even written by the original mangaka
Anonymous No.150910435 [Report]
>>150910363
Neither did the new Ultimate Universe for a while. It'll get that way eventually.
Anonymous No.150910867 [Report] >>150911038
>>150908616
That's a you problem

>>150908202
The argument doesn't work because you can look at Comichron and see where MA Spider-Man and Miles Ultimate placed on the charts

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2010/2010-12.html
The MA Spider-Man relaunch was at #266 of the chart in 2010 before Miles

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-11.html
Marvel Adventures Spider-Man #20 was at #270 while Miles USM was on its fourth issue, ranking at #37
Anonymous No.150911038 [Report] >>150911067
>>150910867
>you problem
Not really. It was an everyone problem, hence it getting canned.
You had too much focus on muties in a Spider-Man book, a terrible OC character with an awful name, Emma Frost being out of place, an OOC Gwen and not using some of the better supporting cast from 616.
Anonymous No.150911067 [Report] >>150911371
>>150911038
So yes, a you problem.
Anonymous No.150911371 [Report] >>150911384 >>150911548
>>150911067
No, it was literally cancelled. So everyone had a problem with it.
Anonymous No.150911384 [Report] >>150911622
>>150911371
Ah I see now, you are that schizo who's obsessed with Gwen
Anonymous No.150911548 [Report] >>150911622
>>150911371
It lasted seven years with the Tobin run in particular lasting three years, that's a healthy run.
Anonymous No.150911584 [Report]
This universe is such an unmitigated failure.
Anonymous No.150911622 [Report] >>150911646 >>150911680
>>150911384
??
Ma'am this is an anonymous forum.
>>150911548
Meh. It couldn't even reach a 100 issues and is largely forgotten by everyone.
Only /co/ seem to have a boner for it because of that mutant with the retarded name.
Anonymous No.150911646 [Report] >>150911698
>>150911622
Yeah, most comic buyers have bad taste. They'd rather buy old Bendisslop than a nice comic.
Anonymous No.150911680 [Report] >>150911698
>>150911622
Sure thing, schizo
Anonymous No.150911698 [Report] >>150911903
>>150911646
>implying /co/ has good taste
lol. This is the same place I saw unironic praise for Slotto Spider-Man
>>150911680
>schizo accuses you of a being some schizo
Never change 4chan
Anonymous No.150911903 [Report]
>>150911698
The /co/nsensus is that it started out all right, and then started taking major stupid pills with Superior and never looked back.