Thread 150887676

Why do artists still rely on Patreon for money? Why is that site the only way for Western artists to make a living?

Isn't subscribestar/fanbox an option for artists who make stuff that Patreon is schizo about?

What did he expect? I have nothing against him personally but half of nsfw patreon technically violates the TOS in some way.

>>150887676 (OP)
Its not.
Patron just pays a ton of money shilling it as such.
Just use cash app and transfer it to a bsnkbsccojbt.

>>150887676 (OP)
It's the easiest way to get money from most people but there are alternatives and it's best to diversify where one gets their money from.
>>150887796
It's a good alternative and just about the best option for NSFW artists with spicier content. Fanbox is not good because it's subject to Japanese laws. A lot of NSFW artists tried it but gave up on it between that and less people supporting it.

>>150887676 (OP)
This guy draws pedo shit, right?

they'll say this shit and in the same breath hate crypto. lol lmao

The alternative is to go open a store or set up a booth and sell art for real.

Patreon allows them to sit on ass and draw a few naked girls and get people to give them money to do that.

>>150887676 (OP)
Because there are millionaires on that platform and their only skill is drawing a few pictures each month.

>>150888827
Crypto's only a good deal if you're the one running the verification system

>>150887676 (OP)
Only newbies who weren't there for when Patreon showed their hand with the constant Big Brothering over what artists posted on OTHER sites use Patreon
>"Yes Please post your face for ID Verification so someone can hack our system and steal your shit like all the previous this happened"
Fuck off, I'm going to use Subscribestar, Fanbox and any other alternative

>>150887950
Damn. Patreon ninjas got him before he was even finished posting. Your sacrifice won't be in vain, anon.

>>150887676 (OP)
>Gaytreon in 2025
Kofi has been the superior option since its inception.

>>150887796
Fanbox operates in Japan so they have their rules and makes all payments in yen.
SubscribeStar is locked from new accounts gaining creator access until "manual review" which the staff can just forget to do for years at a time.

What are the alternatives? Patreon is still probably the best option

>>150889724
There's GiveSendGo. They're a bit of a right-wing Christian website, but, as a result, they're used to becoming a home for people who are Cancellable on other websites, and so their general attitude is not to cancel YOU, regardless of what your politics or content are.

>>150887676 (OP)
No options

>>150889506
This

>>150887676 (OP)
Too lazy and egocentric to handle real commissions

>>150887676 (OP)
One of my favorite artists uses a free service where you don't need an account for payments and you just input your credit card info after they send you an invoice. No need for Patreon. I don't get why more artists don't just use services like this.

>>150889904
so they're fine with me posting shota toddlercon porn?

>>150887676 (OP)
Why do none of these niggas seem to have the pay upfront option on.

>>150889506
What makes Kofi better than Patreon

>>150889698
>SubscribeStar is locked from new accounts gaining creator access until "manual review" which the staff can just forget to do for years at a time.
man, I feel that. Although is there any example of people actually getting approved after years of not hearing back?

>>150887676 (OP)
Better option is getting a real job

>>150887676 (OP)
That sucks.
Hopefully, your complaint will get looked at.

>>150887676 (OP)
I laughed a little too hard when DesireSFM had to put this disclaimer at the beginning of a video where a futa Triss has a threesome with a mother and daughter.

>>150893049
I don't get it.

>>150893306
It's for Patreon's guidelines about rape and incest

>>150893332
That shit is so fucking stupid when it's fictional characters. No-one's being raped or committing incest when the characters don't even exist.

>>150887676 (OP)
what's the reason why these people don't have a non-art job and keep art as a side thing so their support system is not gone with a single click

>>150888122
worse
furry

>>150887676 (OP)
As the creator correctly identified: artists have to be subsidized by someone else to make a living.

>>150889724
Unironically onlyfans isn't a bad platform.

>>150893625
But what is it an animation of?

>>150893964
Furries are socially acceptable now.

>>150893924
If you made enough money making art to survive why the fuck would you also have a 9-5?

>>150893924
if you've worked a 9-5 manual labor job, you'd understand what the energy levels afterwards are like

Does anybody remember when Patreon got taken to arbitration some years back, and it was discovered that deplatforming their creators for what they posted on other social media sites violated their own terms and conditions, so they jusy changed their t&c to say they can ban you for no reason at all?

>>150895012
they still do this, yeah

Smart people use Patreon because of security reasons. Other people, not so, or shady use less secure methods. The truth is a major portion of the working class hate artists. Ironic as they want their lazy untalented asses in the CEO chair making the big pay with doing no actual work.

>>150893049
Mentally ill people cannot understand the difference between reality and fiction.

I'm a fat fetish artist nearing 10K followers and I'm fairly consistent with my output. I'm considering a Patreon but I'm concerned PayPal is going to bring the hammer down.

>>150887676 (OP)
I’ve thought about using Shopify.

>>150893049
>chacaters likness

>>150888865
The highest paid people on patreon are podcasters and people making racing games mods (it's weird as fuck and I don't understand it either). Most artists don't even crack the top 100 highest paid patreons.

>>150895272
I think the biggest Patreons are always gonna be the people who have actual production costs to cover and who visibly show increases in their production values as a result.
Even a lot of those podcasts tend to get bigger guests and better equipment as they go while the racing mods hire teams. With artists, it feels like you can only really re-invest back into the business so much. There's a cap where "this person's bills are paid."
Meanwhile perks like "access to my official server" isn't gonna mean as much for an artist compared to a streamer or a podcaster who probably has way more of a parasocial connection with their audience. That only really leaves them with early access because they have to make pictures free sooner or later for the sake of exposure and further growth, or make free pictures alongside the paid ones.
Just kind of a business model where they're screwed

>>150895363
>access to my official server
This perk in particular is dumb as fuck. Who the fuck is joining all these Discord servers of random artists and Youtubers. It feels like following the page of a ketchup brand or cereal company.

>>150887676 (OP)
Unfortunately, Patreon is still the only website that makes the most amount of traffic for creators. No one really knows SubStar exists and even its UI is a bit wonky compared to Patreon.
Other stuff like pixiv fanbox is just wayyy too niche.

>>150892047
What's it called?

>>150894618
kill yourself

>>150887676 (OP)
I know this thread is for shitting on patreon and that's valid and oligopolies where a few gigacorpos can have such a massive and arbitrary say on the livelihood of people is shitty but I think the fact all western artists have to draw porn to pay their bills is also shitty.

>>150892051
I'm not sure if they're that Christian or not.

>>150895631
It's a parasocial thing.
One of the worst elements of the switch to the online content sphere is that parasocial relationships increased heavily. The more "indie" or "grassroots" the content creator, the more parasocial they act with their audience since it's the best moneymaker.
There's an argument in parasocial relationships being healthy for providing good role models but the issue is the current landscape goes far beyond that.
I'm not even gonna lie, you saw this with the convention scene by the 2000s.

>>150887796
>>150887989
Sunstar has completely walked back their allowance of spicy stuff and it is not allowed anymore. They sold everyone down the river and are now just as bad Patreon. Their support system is also just as bad with them ghosting you for weeks to forever.

>>150895631
>know of multiple instances of creators making discords because their fans clamoured for one only to nuke it later because it became a cliquey drama cesspit exactly like a 4chan general
Why anyone would do this I have no idea.

>>150895631
I got invited to one of those big artist discord servers cause I was friends with one. It's honestly so damn boring in them cause you're pretty much surrounded by the autists usually, the artist who started it is barely in there and it's just for everyone to seal clap when they post work.

I can understand a server for an indie game, cartoon or even a mod but a single artist? Most of them don't have the social skills to make interesting conversation anyways. I usually just see the 'join my server' types as egotists wanting more to clap for them.

>>150897166
This is all still fallout from the "pornhub has trafficking victims and underage girls" thing (which was always an open-secret that pretty much any law enforcement agent who dealt with human traffickers could have told you. They very frequently got evidence or leads via the site before reporting whichever video.)
Then when you had the Texas law and the payment processors, everyone is scared shitless of "you can legally be held accountable if someone uploads something illegal").
Basically, there's no viable way to investigate everything uploaded to see if the model who the uploader said was 18 was actually 17, or if the anime girl with massive fucking tits was 14 (Hentai does count under CP laws in multiple countries).
This is why, for the longest time, it was coded into law that site owners were granted protection so long as they could prove they moderated such things once they were made aware of such facts.

So it's best to just sidestep pornography since they're basically removing those protections for site owners. Yes, this is heavily believed to be pearl clutchers taking advantage of serious issues and fears in order to cripple the porn industry by crippling the rights of website owners that have existed since the 1990s.

>>150897350
no you retard its fallout from visa and mastercard thought police.

>>150897502
What >>150897350 said isn't exclusive with what you just said.

>>150895631
nah, it's more or less mandatory as its the only place patreon is not spying on you directly to see if you post anything they don't like. if you don't post your content through discord as a proxy, you're on thin ice

>>150897542
This
You post something cropped on your Patreon and then post the actual stuff in your discord, only occasionally posting the "safer" work online. I know one artist who prefers to dump everything into stashes and posts a link of it on their websites instead

>>150897502
I genuinely don't buy the credit corpo excuse. They're fucking credit monopolies. They're behind every transaction in the world from drugs to guns. You can't convince me their board of directors made up from ghouls where the nicest of the lot murderraped his own mother learned they ALSO are behind struggling artists drawing tits to pay rent and they fainted from shock like a victorian woman

>>150897612
You are free to be skeptical but them being cited as the problem from something as niche as fanbox to something as large as steam is enough for me. Also if they really weren't doing it why wouldn't they say so after getting tons of bad press and harassment during the steam debacle a few months ago?

>>150897612
It's not about punishing porn artists, it's about trying to open a wedge.
When the Credit Corpo's came after Itch and Steam they were also going after games like Mouthwash and Fear & Hunger, both games that are not pornographic but do handle the subject of rape.
This is being spear-headed more specifically by annoying middle aged women with enough influence to make a big noticeable stink about it, just enough that maybe others will hear and start complaining too. Going after porn first is just an easy way to get to tearing down other things you don't like because by then you would have already successfully argued your case for "Think of the children". Once that's taken care of they'll start going after anything that's "too violent" and "too sexual" and people won't be able to make anything fun anymore

>>150897542
i think the best option to sidestep the issue might be having a website with your content locked behind patreon authentication like how theboogie does it... that being said, it requires active effort from the artist in question to build their own platform for their content as opposed to just signing up for a website

>>150894543
Coomers get extremely mad and mald whenever you ask this because they know they're evil people deep down who deserve hellfire

>>150892047
An artist I know takes cash by mail. It's weird, but it works.

>>150898156
So mad no-one replied to your stale bait and you had to samefag 4 hours later to try and get anyone to notice it. Here's your (You).

>>150897775
This is certifiably provable by the way. The first thing the group who did this was ever known for was pissing off Australian gamers by getting multiple supermarkets to take GTA V off their shelves back in 2014.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30328314
The organizer is basically "Christian Lainey Molnar" and she's been doing this for the greater part of a decade

>>150892047
well? what is the service man.

>>150898327
For reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Shout
This is the group who did it. In 2014 they went after GTA. You'll notice they've gained something of a reputation for rampant pearl-clutching, equally freaking out at properties made for women like Fifty Shades and even stuff that wasn't particularly exploitative of the subject matter like Detroit: Become Human.
This is sort of the schtick with them when it comes to media
>Be Bible thumpers
>Realize bible thumping isn't effective and put on a mask to LARP as woke SJWS
>Say "thing demeans women!" while creating a petition to get it banned
>Woke SJWs take the bait and sign

>>150893625
Cp doesn't exist either. It's just a picture. That moment is long gone, those people no longer exist. Now just a bunch of pixels onna screen. But a child was hurt? That pain is long gone. You didn't hurt them either so why can't you have it? You watch adults have sex does that mean you want to have sex with them? It's not real so who cares?

>>150898504
Okay not to side with the lolicon but CP wasn't banned for the morally objectionable nature of the content itself. It was banned because most of it was made via human trafficking at a time before the digital era enabled amateur porn and the only way to get your hands on it was to buy it, supporting the further trafficking and molesting of of children.
This is why bestiality porn is legal to view despite being just as morally disgusting. Because anyone can buy a fucking dog, there's no big trafficking ring to hurt by banning distribution and possession.

>>150898504
>he's going all out
The answer is obviously consent but you know that, you're the same faggot who's always trying to equate fantasy with reality because you're triggered by fiction you don't like. Probably because uncle Bob wrecked your asshole when you were a kid. I'd say I'm sorry but in your case I'm not, I hope he enjoyed himself.

>>150898492
It's called intersectionalism, it's not a LARP.

>>150887676 (OP)
You can only make money on patreon if you make ai generated blacked porn. People only want to pay for ai generated images.

>>150888827
its to volatile to be used for an actual currency

>>150897350
I don't think it's pearlclutchers. I think it's a combination of gubmints wanting an ever increasing control over what the individual nonelite can do and think and say on social media, and havvu sexxu because they need more little shits sold into paraslavery to the system to pay off the maintenance of the old worker drones and porn checking-out of society is not in their roadmap. The tools for dictatorship have been readily made by wellmeaning democracies all over the world, or like something

>>150887676 (OP)
Somewhat consistent monthly income is pretty important for a lot things like getting a loan or good apartment. Also, pretty sure most subscribers forget they did after a while and just leave it up like they do with most subscriptions

>>150896948
The financial entanglement with parasocial relationships makes it even worse I think as well. The person is almost required to be that way in order to get people to actually pay them. So it's a guy on a screen pretending to be your friend and shake your hand while the other picks your pocket. I don't know much about the con scene that long ago, but nerd culture seems to have always struggled with turning the people that make and act in their favorite medium into saints and their fake-best-friends. Gaiman is a good example of taking advantage of those parasocial relationships

>>150892189
Kofi doesn't allow nsfw altogether

>>150888865
If you're buttmad about Salomichan then wait until you hear about MITY
His game has loli Toph, toddler Korra, bestiality with not!Appa and whatever Korra's dog's name was, incest between Zuko and Azula, and of course lots of rape, hypnosis and mind break.
And despite being in the top 10 most supported, Patreon never slapped their wrist or anything. The running joke is that someone in Trust and Safety likes their porn game so they get away with it. Since 2016. Heck, I myself reported them and some Indian in support told me that they'd look into it...2 years ago.
Meanwhile if you launch a Patreon campaign today and post a flat chested adult girl, as in tall as an adult male, next to said adult male so it's clear, BAM! you're immediately banned for content that sexualizes minors.

>>150894618
The sanitized normie versions maybe.

>>150898492
Women have been basically the same for 150 years. Sometimes they call themselves Christian, sometimes feminists, sometimes progressives, but they always just want to ban things men like.

>>150887676 (OP)
As opposed to what?
>>150892010
What imaginary artists have you invented that don't do commissions if they have any time available?

>>150887676 (OP)
Does Shopify handle recurring payments?

>>150887676 (OP)
Good riddance to this bozo, just graduate to sucking dick behind convenience stories for crack money. More pornographers should follow his case, then the world will improve significantly. Is FluffKevlar next?

>>150894543
Lmfao, got his ass

>>150887676 (OP)
Not /co/
Not /co/
Not /co/
Not /co/
Not /co/
Kill yourself, OP, and every pornographer should follow suit

>>150898504
it scares me to think there are people who actually think like this

>>150895363
Podcasters aren't even "investing" back into their show or hiring people or doing anything that justifies the frankly absurd amount of money they're making for being a gaggle of commie faggots shooting off their mouths about current events and pop culture. The real difference is that podcasters hit a strong parasocial niche that gives lonely faggots a sense of belonging to a group of friends.

Are there any payment processors that aren't beholden to Visa or Mastercard? Maybe im retarded but is it really that hard to set a up a service that let's you give money from one person to another? What's the hurdle?

>cannot get a payout for the last month
I don't do patreon but can't you just automatically make it transfer all funds to your bank acc once a transaction is made?
or is this a "we will transfer funds at the end of the month" kind of deal?

I just report patreons because usually the artist doesn't respond to my DMs

>>150903752
Unbelievably based, be the problem

>>150903518
>Are there any payment processors that aren't beholden to Visa or Mastercard?
Yes but they usually don't work internationally, I think Brazil is trying to spread their system globally so people can simply transfer their money whenever they want with no tax

>>150903702
patreon can withhold your payment whenever they want for any reason

>>150901825
>durr this never happens durr
shut the fuck up gaslighting faggot

>>150900712
Patreon will never lay a finger on the porn that makes them money
Summertime Saga has been going for going for years now and all Patreon did was politely ask the Dev's too take out the incest. Patreon's too pussy to stand on their own policies, they'll leave the money-makers alone but will quickly evaporate anyone that's only pulling 45 bucks a month so they can say they're doing their jobs to Visa or MasterCard.
They'll harass you for posting on other websites and withhold your money long before they ever hurt their bottom line

>>150906209
What rule breaks does that one have besides the already removed incest? Otherwise your point is moot lol

>>150887676 (OP)
Because they dont want to work. I can relate.

>>150894543
cartoon characters

>>150887676 (OP)
Why did he get locked out?

>>150887676 (OP)
>Lock 95% of art behind a 25$ a month minimum paywall
>Require you to join the stupid fucking Discord server nobody actually uses
>Need to verify you're subbed which takes at least a day or two
>You only get access to the most recent art and have to either scroll through endless shitposts or pray there's an archive to find the art you came for

Patreon "artists" have to be a money laundering front because who the fuck is paying for this shit?

>>150907655
Never mind, I saw his artwork. Now I don’t understand how he isn’t banned from breathing.

I once saw someone selling a 3d model of a character they don't even own for $150
Algorithms and monetization are a disease

>>150895631
Many artists are using discord to post the paywalled art and risky variants. It also makes it easier to spot people who spread the art without permission and make scraping it for kemono a pain in the ass.

>>150907730
Greedy cunts don't even need to do that in the first place because the people who use Kemono weren't gonna give them money to begin with, and they're just making things worse and more annoying for the people that WOULD spend money, meaning they're now getting less.
Blueballing and annoying 95% of your customers just because 5% might not give you the money you FEEL you deserve is cunt behavior.
It's like game companies adding annoying-ass DRM and anti-piracy measures, as if they're just gonna make pirates throw up their hands and go "Well shucks, guess I gotta spend 80 smackeroos now!" instead of just "oh hey here's another game i like"

>>150888122
So?

>>150900712
More freedom is good

>>150907752
This is precisely why I don't give a fuck about pirates, I just post my shit without any google drive or DM bullshit. I have 5x more patreon subscribers than other artists around my level (850 subs, 55k followers on twitter).

Coomers want a quick fap, they don't want to wait until the end of the month to get it. Then these fuckers wonder why most of their subs don't stay for more than a month.

>>150887676 (OP)
>create better system
>it allows loli
>"NOOOOOO! NOT LIKE THAT!!!"
You made your bed, get raped on it

>>150887676 (OP)
>"omfg patreon is literally the most authoritarian platform ever, they banned ANOTHER artist"
>look inside
>inkbunny artist with feral pokemon and watersports
>previously got in trouble with the most blasé animal archive website for not tagging character age correctly (the images were still allowed) and tried to start e-drama over it (and seemingly won as next to zero of his uploads have the correct age tag)
It's a shame because he's a good sex animator and even makes gay sex appealing by removing as many masculine traits as possible from his characters.
But his speciality is red lines patreon bans for. Yes patreon can "not check" and you can exist in a grey area. But you're really asking for this.

Is there no guide by patreon for what adult content is allowed so we can laugh at people who ignore it? It's like they don't want to say.

>>150895631
as a modder, a lot of modders have their own discord server and just share updates in that. it's fucking annoying.

>>150888857
Or get a real job

>>150908045
Patreon is to artists what YouTube is to video creators. An authoritarian shithole that can ban or demonetise you for basically anything they like but everybody still uses it because it has market penetration. I don't really know how you fix that, multiple alternatives exist but hardly anyone (creators or consumers) uses them, so making any money from them is difficult unless you're already popular enough to convince your audience to follow you to another platform. The modern corporate internet is shit.

>>150908105
>have marketable skill people want
>ignore it and instead cripple yourself stocking shelves all day long
that's retarded

Will they allow a comic if you draw an ending where everyone pretends it was a porn shoot instead of hardcore snuff?

>>150903299
But anon, it all happened *in the past*.
Why would you be upset over funding it? That stuff will happen *in the future* and if that makes you wince, if it ever happens right now, it's now *in your vicinity*.
Why, the person you're talking to may have made it *at some point* but *that's fine.*

Next you'll say something silly like "I'm not comfortable with watching this. That's a child. don't you have any shred of common human decency? Would you rape me for your own pleasure if you could get away with it?" Pfff.

The only thing I hope is people making these arguments are afraid of real porn and so aren't actually advocating CP.

>>150898436
Western union

>>150908115
>An authoritarian shithole that can ban or demonetise you
Them owning their storefront doesn't make it authoritarian. Though it is admittedly an ill defined word.

The alternative is commissions.
I've known artists who want to make all payments "gifts" to get around taxes. Yes I would like it if I didn't have to pay any tax either but be responsible. You're not being buttfucked out of the blue.

>>150900712
also, the guy behind Questionable Content is on the Top 30 as well

>>150908480
Terrible

>>150908136
If your only marketable skill is drawing masturbation material for furries, it’s time to reassess your life.

>>150908769
Fuck off

>>150896565
>oligopolies where a few gigacorpos can have such a massive and arbitrary say on the livelihood of people is shitty
What are unions? Just monopolies but people are supposed to love them
>the fact all western artists have to draw porn to pay their bills is also shitty.
They choose to do it because they're sexual reprobates and degenerates, not because circumstances persuaded them to. Knowing how these freaks' minds work, they are far more deserving of hate than you think

>>150900712
>I myself reported them
Cunt.

>>150909104
>t. Pedophile
You're subhuman

>>150908086
Yeah, that's a result of mod hosting sites deciding to play gatekeeper and pick and choose what mods are allowed based on arbitrary criteria.
>should I upload this mod I've been working on for months/years to X site and hope and pray they don't decide to nuke it?
>or should I just distribute it over my own personal discord room where I have full control?

>>150909169
You need your bones broken

>>150909340
kek no it isn't, patreon can host files.
most of these discord excusives are titty mods which nexus allows. unless your entire output is 'make wyll from bg3 white' mods, that isn't a good excuse

>>150909361
You won't, pussy

>>150888857
Patreonnitself does much less and gets paid much more than any of their artists.

>>150894100
Always were. Leonardo da vinci couldnt eat the cistine chapel. Someone had to give him money

>>150887676 (OP)
It's not and they rely on it because they are stupid

>>150887676 (OP)
Tough shit, learn to use Crypto. That's the future of porn.

>>150898492
So basically modern day Tipper Gore

>>150909449
>translator gets ire of rhdn people over making an accurate translation instead of censoring it
>his stuff gets nuked off the site
>"ugh, you are probably just trying to hide racist mods!"
Again, creators don't like some gatekeeper faggot deciding if people can see their stuff or not. Because it's always a steady slide from "We removed this because it was highly offensive" to "We removed this because we personally don't like it". In their private discord, the creator sets the rules, so they don't have to deal with any of that bullshit.

>>150900712
>, I myself reported them

snitches get stitches

>>150887796
Susbcribestar is shit for support and register process. Sometimes they can take over 2 years to confirm your account.
Fanbox uses yen. Yen is fucking dogshit. And they also got cucked by credit card censorship.
>>150887676 (OP)
Better question: why are credit cards so assblasted over cartoons? They are not real.

>>150908105
That's a real job.
Shilling corporations isn't. >>150908769
That's a

>>150908769
Cry me a river, puritanqiqe.

>>150910326
sex and jerking off is different. I'm sure you'll understand when you get to sex ed.

>>150908234
>Them owning their storefront doesn't make it authoritarian

Them banning people based purely on whether they like them or not does.

>>150910326
"Controling your urges" is idiotic and damages your mind and body. It's just a meme people use to excuse their mental disorders. Human instincts are what allowed us to survive to this point, and are 100% what we should do at all times including millions of years in the future.

>>150910326
>The internet needs to be real life.

>>150908139
>>150898504
This is the average mindset of anyone from south east asia btw

>>150910387
Spoken like a true internet brain rotted coomer who can't stop fapping his life force away for even a single day
Next you will tell me to stop projecting or stop acting like a "puritan"

>>150910830
Shut the fuck up
Please just shut the fuck up
You're starting to sound like you came out from the sharty

>>150908136>>150909931
>"just make porn!"
lol, don't, and the people who do choose to because they're degenerates
>>150908944
>nonanswer
I accept your concession

>>150910860
Rent-free
>>150909940
>ESL
Either Third-worlder or retard, either way you're subhuman

>>150908944
>>150909940
Hey, I'm not saying don't do it if it keeps a roof over your head, but let's not make out like eking out a living drawing furry porn makes you a fucking folk hero.

Are there any Loli friendly art aggregators that allow payment or is it just Pixiv Fanbox? I dont do hard Loli, just cheesecake and I wanna see if I can make beer money for my doodles.

Patreon dying would be a godsend
I've said it before and will say it again
Artists should not be allowed to make money. This includes the industry
I dream of a world where there is no animation, entertainment, or sports industries
The only jobs that should exist are real jobs.

>>150908045
It's a drawing. Nobody gets harmed in it's production. Literally a victimless crime. But leave it to the cocksuckers of /co/ to immediately lick boot and anus of the big megacorp.

>>150912795
>It's a drawing.
posted it again award

>>150912830
gluck gluck gluck award

>>150912849
posted nothing meaningful award

>>150903518
Amex and Discover?

>>150907620
Patreon has taken down people's pages for less stupid

>>150913659
Such as?

>>150910387
"Do ast tbou whilst" huh?
Well the people banning your shit and setting people on fire for the thing you are saying they should do sre following their ideas.

>>150894100
Anon, people receive something called "money" for performing a service.
You can then use this "money" to exchange for goods and services that you need
And pay government for protection and to prevent being beaten and robbed by either criminals or the government thrmselves.

I can not dumb it down for you any further.

>>150912182
What would be your ideal policy regarding this whole issue?

>>150912830
>>150912849
>>150913060

>>150914275
nta, but tickle fetish artists get shit on by patreon often because it falls under them considering tickling as a nonconsensual act

>>150912236
Obsessed
Either UOL first problem or a gluck glucker fag.

>>150914275
>Female character who is flat chested but is as tall as any grown man but they're flat so it's loli
>Short female character who is clearly an adult but they're short so it's loli

These are the two most consistent reasons I've seen behind why someone's Patreon was shut down or threatened at knife point

>>150912182
confession denied

>>150898504
>no past or future
>only present
brown or pretending to be retarded. next!

>>150898628
I'm pretty sure the case that got CP banned in America was about a VHS of some boys jacking off. It was banned because it was gross, the stuff about protecting children was made up after the fact to justify it.

>>150907752
Well it's probably more like 95% of the audience who won't give any money. Which makes the 5% paypiggies all the more precious, really shuld be a more premium experience for their patrons. Game companies might see some caveins from fomo and social pressure, and of course their installbase is magnitudes bigger so they can burn some goodwill.

>>150914636
Hard to say, I will say that after the law was passed, they immediately did the biggest sting-op in known history up to that point and it got so out of hand that it became the case where the supreme court had to define entrapment.
It were sort of a weird period of time
like that, a lot of what we'd consider the essential laws regarding protecting children were passed but if you actually look at that whole period, it often veered heavily into draconian territory not just over pedophiles but any situation where someone could say "think of the children!"
Remember this is the same period where Bill Clinton passed the "super-predators" bill which basically shuffled armed cops into impoverished neighborhoods over supposed gang fears, only for it to basically be a means of reaching arrest quotas for drug crimes faster

>>150887676 (OP)
as an adult I have too much money to spend and no idea what to do with it all

>>150914578
>"confession denied"
Subhuman gonna subhuman

>>150914959
You are spending it well so far, thank you for supporting the arts. It's what people with money are supposed to do, generates culture.

>>150915394
>still in denial
Subnormal gonna subnormal

>>150914959
I have no idea what any of these are.

>>150915536
true rich chads

>>150915629
Still no idea.

>>150914458
I'm sure the fact they're tied to chairs and stuff wasn't the problem and it was specifically the tickling that caused the indian retard in Trust and Safety to burst a blood vessel.

>>150914959
It's your money. Don't let the retards tell you what to do with it.

>>150914761
Filling prisons with slave labor after the Crack the cia shipped in and media crafted delusions of drug gangster studs amd glory did its job.

>>150909919
Credit card companies are trying to become more authoritarian. It’s all about trying to take more power and more freedoms away from good people. Meanwhile real criminals are being let out of jail. Same shit they did with Steam Games recently. People should try to create or find other options than using these (((big companies))) trying to subject people to their whims.

>>150918414
>Don't let the retards tell you what to do with it.
they will ask you unfortunately, mostly scam hunters.

>>150914461
UOL is a Brazilian news channel, did you know that?

>>150919653
Yes, we know.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/image/M-6tC5ON3CDhi-1ZFDBVWg/

>>150887676 (OP)
I like watching them panic and commission beg when they need something like $80 for dental work, a vet bill, a doctor bill, a new tablet, or auto repair because most of them spend too much time working on single pieces so they don't have time to work on an actual job with guaranteed regular pay, dental insurance, and health insurance. Dumbasses never figured out that their hobby should be side work, while they focus on actual work for financial stability.

>>150920109
How do you get good at art if you have a job?

>>150920380
This.

>>150887676 (OP)
>Why is that site the only way for Western artists to make a living
Why do you feel the need to include the word western in that sentence?

>>150897775
>Steam they were also going after games like Mouthwash and Fear & Hunger,
Yet both games are on Steam and never got removed, so why don't you fuck off with your constant false narrative

>>150921978
>Removed
Never said that, you're coming across like a prissy bitch, stop that

>>150920109
>Every artist focuses on their "real job"
>Industry gets flooded even further with trust fund nepokikes instead
Realjobfags are just angry that they have no ambitions

>>150895272
>and people making racing games mods
makes total sense. its a niche fanbase that throws money at their niche interest. a racing sim setup with a wheel, shifter, pedals can cost thousands, the pc to run it, thousands. and a good chunk of them come from IRL racing fans who dump tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands into racing. a 20 bucks a month patreon fee is literal pocket change.

honestly surprised there isnt more flying sim modders on that list

>>150922640
What flying games do they mod?

Because Western artist think that their art and time is worth hundreds of dollars and they think they are beyond anything.

Eastern artists, especially filipino artists, work for pennies and produce a wide range of high quality commission art. They are literally all over Discord and Reddit.

Patreon is the sign of a retard.

>>150922606
DAMN IT SON YOU'RE 41. I HATE TO DO THIS BUT MIKE ROWE SAYS AMERICAN MEN AREN'T WORKING AND JESSIE WALTERS SAYS YOU'RE ALL SOCIALISTS. PAY RENT OR GET OUT.

>>150887676 (OP)
Because there’s no other way to make income as an artist unless you’re producing pornography aside from:
>>150888857
You need a local art community for that or be close enough in proximity to be worth travel costs. It’s definitely possible but also extremely location dependent.
>>150892985
Selling goods and services is by definition a real job. How about you start learning a skill and learn how to market it so you can stop working minimum wage with high turnover rate?

>>150893924
You are either 55 years old and haven’t had to re-enter the job market ever or are baiting. There’s no demand for any kind of work anywhere especially if you’re born in the country.

>>150894100
As is the case for.. literally every job in existence? No customers means no demand which means no money. Are you 13?

>>150923515
i dunno, i was saying im surprised there wasnt any on the list.

i just took a quick look at microsoft flight sim x: steam edition. theres 234 dlc's. they range from 5 dollars to 49 dollars at a glance. if thats an average of 20 bucks per dlc, thats 4940 dollars. just think about all that cold, clammy neet bucks you could be getting making models for it.

>>150914275
It was several years ago now that they banned art "anime style art". This was their way of saying they were banning loli without saying they were banning loli, but they enforce the rule so arbitrarily that its basically just banning people they don't like, and because the rule is so vague they can just tap the sign, even if there was no loli involved.

>>150909104
I'm not happy with my favorite artist getting removed from Patreon while this retard posts their toddlercon content there without repercussions. So yeah I reported them. And for nothing because I was literally told by the indian retard "oh that picture is bestiality with a dog. We'll investigate it".
Like, bitch the fuck do you need to investigate. It's bestiality so take it down like you did every other. It's not fair these nepotistic shit artist stays when the others get the boot. This retard staying proves everybody was kicked unfairly. Because they have toddler, loli, incest, bestiality, hypnosis, everything.

>>150909535
DaVinci was a STEMfag
>>150920109
They tend to be like >>150914407 and >>150923644 and think it's just wage-slaving without a boss. Check back in a few days and they're melting down and shooting themselves in the foot by insulting all their followers and supporters for not giving them enough money to live off.

>>150923967
DaVinci did art as a business because his true passion (anatomy) had no other practical market application in his time period. All the mechanical inventions he thought of like flying machines never saw any interest. The STEM stuff was his hobby, art was his job.

>>150924009
Post his tax returns.

>>150924032
He didn’t have tax returns because the system of taxation in 1493 Italy wasn’t based on fiat currency.

>>150887676 (OP)
Is there a reason why artists are hated for their work while celebrities are worshipped?

>>150924083
The working class relies on TV and celebrities to keep themselves from committing a murder suicide against their family after working for 12 hours

>>150924092
Is the average person really that miserable?

>>150914458
>>150918327
bdsm & grape enjoyers.... it's ogre...

>>150924083
Anyone who gets paid to do something they enjoy is hated by people who have to do something they don't enjoy to get paid. That's literally it. And the crabs in a bucket mentality stops those people from ever stopping to think
>wait, why aren't I putting my own efforts into getting to a place I can do something I enjoy for money?

>>150924083
Because making art is a skill while being a celebrity is about connections entirely, so the mediocre retards get pissed at their own inferiority and expendability when confronted with artists while simultaneously cope that the celebrities are where they are due to dumb luck and think they could also be in that position if they too were “lucky”. Crabs in a bucket.

>>150924083
I don't like seeing non-hebrew people in entertainment or the arts
Feels wrong, imo

>>150924190
I also think modern celebrity is internet celebrity...so watching millionaire streamers light their farts is sort of selling an obtainable fantasy and a wagie can think "I could do dat, if I really wanted to"

still I don't fully get this normie attitude against artists...no one judges sport athletes the same way

American prudes and unfettered capitalism is killing art. Go back to your ai slop, it's what you deserve

>>150924122
The average person doesn’t have thoughts and drowns their misery out with endless consumerism and overtime at work. They prefer to be unhappy because being happy requires courage.

>>150924244
Normies don’t have skills nor interests. Making art is a skill that requires many years of focus and dedication to cultivate. The existence of artists reminds normies that they’ve wasted their lives following trends and being retarded instead of taking the time to learn marketable skills. It constantly reminds them that they’re inferior and aren’t good at anything.

>>150924083
Celebrities are rich, hot and we all want to fuck/be them and they drive cool cars and go to amazing parties.

Hatred of artists is a long standing American tradition. We have to assume anyone and definitely ANYONE who attaches the term art to their title is a gay little Andy Warhol/Yoko Ono type who sips espresso, talks about their feelings, and duct tapes bananas to a wall and tries to sell that for millions. Americans have been accusing anyone that calls themself an artist a fag and assume they are Jackson Pollock types that splatter paint on a wall or otherwise does shit a 5 year old can do and tried to make money from it if they bitch about their feelings enough.

>>150899993
Regulated stablecoins backed 1:1 by real money isn't. See "USDC" for example.

>>150907786
So.... he's a pedo?

>>150924244
>>150924321
It is a lot of what >>150924326 said. Traditionally for the last several decades, art was gay. It's also not assumed to be a job field to most low class normie Americans.

To them "art" is when their girlfriends glue sequins to a shirt or paint a horse on a purse. Or it's when a kid plays with finger paints. In the 70s and 80s it was considered Art was just a hobby for girls. Never a career choice. It was a juvenile game for little kids or a thing girls did to make things prettier.

At best it was something gay weirdos from New York did which is why it is compared to the 1960's New York art scene so much. But that is also considered to be more of a drug addict weird bullshit thing for rich pampered 20 somethings to waste their parents money and time on. Americans really took to the whole Starving Artist concept a lot since they widely never considered it to be a means of making money, only a hobby for children of rich people. Which is also why Art School was considered a total waste of money and time that gives the world's most useless degree ever.

In short, Artist as a job really clashed with the post WWII hard working American blue collar, nuclear family, football, everyman concept a lot. And the 1960s art scene only made that viewpoint ten times worse. Artist was placed along side beatniks and hippies as a worthless penniless counterculture.

>>150922606
Making doodles is not, and never will be a career faggot. The "ambitions" are scamming someone out of their money.

>>150924428
> Artist was placed along side beatniks and hippies as a worthless penniless counterculture.
Except they are not wrong.

Throwing paint on walls and other shit is not making anything, it's throwing paint on shit. The whole concept of the artist as a job died the minute photography was invented. Now it's an antiquated hobby that was long made defunct by technology almost two centuries ago. There is no career path when the job consists of taping bananas to a wall until eventually there is a millionaire idiot to scam out of their money by wowing them with talk of moods and feelings. It's a long term grift.

>>150924460
What exactly defines a career and why can't drawing be one

>>150887676 (OP)
You can just physically mail money with the united states postal system I don't know why people just act like that's impossible. It's literally insured. And if you are any sort of popular on the internet, you're already doxxed anyway.

>>150887676 (OP)
This is not about artists, this is about pornography and pornographers, who deserve no respect and more than all the malice one can muster against them. Antipathy is the only way to treat them with, and all the degenerates itt who want to cry about censorship, monopolies, or overreach are morons and retards.
>INB4: some smartass thinks he can do a smuggies-tier retort about how interacting in this thread is only making it more important
You graduated from the School of Perpetually Online Morons with a degree in Internet Slapfighting, you have no actual arguments with debating, go back to masturbating to your porn, degenerate

>>150924586
loser faggot opinions

>>150900712
You're a revolting faggot. Complaining about censorship while deliberately inviting censorship.

>>150894618
>Furries are socially acceptable now.
My ass they are. Gen Z knows what they are and are having kids now. You think they're gonna want to expose their kids to that shit? As if.

>>150924762
We don't talk about ourselves here.

>>150924984
why would anon reply that way to his own opinions. That's so silly anon laaaaawwwl

>>150925150
>"I own 399 TBs of child porn and I jack off my amhole in playgrounds."
Why the hell would you admit this, you sick fuck? Kill yourself before someone else does the job for all of us

>>150925528
lol no! actually it is YOU who is the nazi pedo who should be in jail!

>>150924370
It's cartoons.

>>150925613
>It's a pot calling kettle black moment
>It's a "Everyone I don't like is a Nazi" moment
Why are you a pedophile?
>>150925624
>"It's just a drawing" argument
Posted it again award.jpg

>>150925647
>"It's a pot calling kettle black moment"
>calls ppl pedos

>>150925647
>"It's just a drawing" argument
Must be a pretty good argument considering it forms the basis for the legality of lolicon in Brazil, Columbia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Japan, Mexico and Spain.

>>150887676 (OP)
Because 95% of the artists that use Patreon are lazy cunts that just draw 2-3 things a month in the hopes they can make a bazillion dollars instead of just doing regular commissions
They'd literally rather do the bare minimum instead of getting a job or actually developing a work.ethic with their art

>>150924176
>grape
You can say rape on here anon.

>>150887676 (OP)
>patreon bans incest, furry(mainly the art that are borderline zoophilia), loli, shota, and characters that are underage by canon(Velma from Scooby Doo, Raven from Teen Titan, etc)
>mods will go as far as go off-site like Pixiv or Discord to make sure you aren't drawing anything illegal

Even if you are the most vanilla artist, it does not seem very safe doing business with them. Same reason why artists still keep using fucking twitter.

>>150925853
Just out of curiosity how much do you think commissions should cost?

>>150926398
>mods will go as far as go off-site like Pixiv or Discord to make sure you aren't drawing anything illegal
Not illegal, just would violate their terms of service IF they were posted on their platform. Which they aren't. This is the part that seems really fucking dystopian to me. Literal morality policing and denying services to people who draw things they don't approve of even outside of their corporate jurisdiction.

>>150925844
>Third-world shitholes, pozzed liberal shitholes in the process of being "culturally enriched," and a bugman oriental despotisms

>>150926728
So I to take it you think the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ecuador, Poland, Russia and the United Arab Emirates are all great countries and shining examples to the rest of the world?

>>150926515
Not even subscribestar does this shit and they are okay with loli and shota to a certain degree.

On the related note, i hope more artists stop using Paypal because of how toxic they are being these days.

https://bsky.app/profile/stargazerkg.bsky.social/post/3m2ls5ojyds2o

>>150924504
>moving the goal post with a strawman argument
Nta but Modern art is not representative of Art and is clearly not the topic here.
>talk of moods and feelings.
More like money laundering and taxes evasions. If you're going to be a cynical poser, at least be smart about it.

>>150887676 (OP)
>Paypal
Will suspend your account for wrongthink
>Patreon
Will nuke your account for wrongthink

If this these are the best options that artfag have then I might as go crypto. All western art sites because they don't allow any fun & run by Jews.

>>150887676 (OP)
Payment processer Jews want to eliminate the competition. That's why they're tightening the rope. Goyims & golems are not allowed to compete against the Jews

>>150924460
A huge number of "real" jobs are basically adult daycare. Artists are losers but the goon material they provide at least has some actual value.

>>150928418
there's some criminals that still uses paypal

>>150928418
Crypto is a unpopular option but seen artists being interest in using Monero ever since Paypal went batshit.

I just want another universal payment processor besides paypal to exist. I think Japan already made their shit.

>>150924460
>Making doodles is not, and never will be a career faggot
He said on a board dedicated specifically to professionally created doodles. Kill yourself

>>150925853
And they deserve it because that’s what their audience is willing to pay. Read Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell and get back to the thread when you have a rudimentary comprehension of supply and demand. Their audience will donate regardless of output of supply and so they receive supply according to the demand they’ve demonstrated. “Laziness”, “work ethic” and other such kike invented buzzwords are a set of terminology designed to gaslight the talentless mediocre masses into putting in an inordinate amount of labor for the predominant advantage of people above them. You can continue to cope about “muh real job” or whatever other nonsensical metric you’ve deluded yourself into believing somehow diminishes the abject reality that a random patreon artist who draws 2-3 things a month will always earn more money and have a more valuable and irreplaceable economic foothold than whatever meaningless “job” you have going for yourself buddy, but it doesn’t change the facts. You’re a sucker, and you’re talentless.

>>150924460
>what are comic books
>what are murals
>what are tattoos
>what are prints
There are at least 35 different type of jobs that require someone to “doodle” as the primary or secondary component. There aren’t many artists who retire their field in general, and the ones who do usually just go into a different type of creative endeavor like music or film making, so yeah it meets the exact definition of “career” more accurately than whatever wagie job you have of mowing lawns or working retail does. You do the work designed for highschoolers, maybe it’s time to start learning a skill and start producing goods and services for the economy instead of parasitically eating out of a company’s hand? Do you know how much money you’re costing CEO’s by refusing to hand over your job to illegal immigrants? Write down your goals and a five year plan like a functional adult is supposed to.

>>150926398
apparently they clamp down on hypnotism or gore/snuff porn as well, or so i hear

>>150923528
It seems like pennies to western commissioners, but when converted its basically robbery in their own economy

>>150887676 (OP)
>violate TOS
>get mad when it's enforced

>>150928506
>Payment processer Jews want to eliminate the competition.
What competition? Where is this competition in cartoon pornography?

>>150926836
>"If you don't like these, then you must like these!"
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA-WPmqQw7M

>>150929965
If the TOS said "dont draw feet under any circumstance or we will ban you" from the start and they draw feet anyways that would be an argument, but what happens is that they randomly update the TOS to add that feet are a bannable offense with no warning, then enforce it on anyone who drew feet before the fact