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New History of the DC Universe #4 Storytime
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Bump if you're reading.
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And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
Anonymous No.150950280 [Report]
>>150950256
I am going to fart and it's really stinky
Anonymous No.150950440 [Report]
>>150950162
Huh so they just combined the two outlaw teams into one?
Anonymous No.150950473 [Report] >>150958707 >>150959116
>>150950184
I fucking love the batman who laughs bros
Anonymous No.150950529 [Report] >>150950981
>>150950170
wonder why Waid even bothered mentioning the original Batwing.
It's not like DC has ever used him since the original book ended
Anonymous No.150950546 [Report] >>150950603
>>150950188
I guess all the other characters besides Sideways made after Dark Knight Metal were so insignificant that they didn't even warrant a mention
El Barto No.150950588 [Report]
>>150950150
i can't believe the new 52 publishing initative is a pivotal point in DC history

you'd think they'd sweep it under a rug but honestly they got some major guts there
Anonymous No.150950589 [Report] >>150950638
>>150950254
Are some of these meant to be teasers for future books or just a general random Futures like Batman Beyond or Justice League Millennium
Anonymous No.150950593 [Report]
>>150950154
Sex with Zatanna and Madame Xanadu right fucking NOW
Anonymous No.150950603 [Report]
>>150950546
I'd personally add Silencer
Anonymous No.150950638 [Report]
>>150950589
Just general random futures. In the appendix at the end of the issue (which DC forgot to include in the digital section) there is a few pages at the very end dedicated just to the possible futures of the DCU.
Anonymous No.150950650 [Report]
>>150950184
Can’t believe this shit is teally canon
Anonymous No.150950717 [Report]
This issue pretty much shows everything wrong with DC’s timeline.
Anonymous No.150950725 [Report]
It seems like DC removed Percy's Rebirth Teen Titans from canon? (The one with Damian hanging out with Raven/Starfire/Beast Boy).

It's not shown in the issue nor mentioned in the index, while Abnett's Rebirth Titans and Adam Glass's Teen Titans were.

I suppose it's not too surprising. That run wouldn't have made sense in current continuity with Beast Boy and Raven's ages.
Anonymous No.150950737 [Report] >>150950768
It seems like DC removed Percy's Rebirth Teen Titans from canon? (The one with Damian hanging out with Raven/Starfire/Beast Boy).

It's not shown in the issue nor mentioned in the index, while Abnett's Rebirth Titans and Adam Glass's Teen Titans were.

I suppose it's not too surprising. That run wouldn't have made sense in current continuity with Beast Boy and Raven's ages
Anonymous No.150950768 [Report]
>>150950737
Don't take this new history in the DC universe too seriously. It's a lazy and often pointless setup.
Anonymous No.150950923 [Report]
>>150950166
Why the fuck does the Forever Evil recap remove Sinestro, Black Adam, and Batman?
Anonymous No.150950932 [Report]
>>150950226
So it’s now canon any character from Wildstorm is just visiting main Earth from Wildstorm Earth
Anonymous No.150950969 [Report] >>150951317
>>150950226
So the Wildstorm characters are no longer part of the DC universe?
Anonymous No.150950981 [Report] >>150951068 >>150963008 >>150973364
>>150950529
Even Clown Hunter was mentioned. But nothing for our girl Harper Row.
Sadge.
Anonymous No.150951030 [Report] >>150951050
>>150950162
>Starfire being in the Outlaws is still canon
grim
Anonymous No.150951040 [Report]
>>150950166
sex with Earth-3 Superwoman
Anonymous No.150951050 [Report] >>150951364
>>150951030
Look on the bright side, this time DC didn't name Roy as Red Hood's sidekick.
Anonymous No.150951063 [Report]
>>150950145 (OP)
Helena is on the cover but there is no mention of her, even though she is one of the main characters of Grayson who is mentioned in this comic.
Anonymous No.150951064 [Report]
>>150950177
is this the second or third time that New 52 Diana's origin being retconned was mentioned in-universe like this?
Anonymous No.150951068 [Report] >>150951080
>>150950981
Harperbros, is she no longer a fan-favorite?
Anonymous No.150951080 [Report] >>150951104 >>150956631
>>150951068
Nothing on Gotham and Gotham Girl either.
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>>150951080
Nothing about Steph's time as a solo Batgirl either, though the Batman Reborn era only got like 1/3 of a page.
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>>150950197
fuck you Tom King
Anonymous No.150951145 [Report] >>150951239
>>150950254
>Mentions "an entire Legion"
>Doesn't actually show the Legion of Super-Heroes in this 2-page spread despite being DC's most iconic future characters
>Clearly Abra Kadabra and Gold Beetle are more important
Why? I thought Mark Waid loved the Legion.
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>>150950256
>History is written by the winners
Leaving aside how self-congragulatory this is, I have always hated this expression. History is not always written by the winners, the losers also often write history because they have a vested interest in trying to make themselves look better and their enemies worse. How else would the Lost Cause of the Confederacy gained so much traction in America if the South lost?
Anonymous No.150951239 [Report]
>>150951145
They’re still sorting out what they want the upcoming Legion look like.
Anonymous No.150951278 [Report]
>>150950228
that's not where Yara's mole is
Anonymous No.150951313 [Report]
>>150950248
"following a clash with Hush" wow I wonder what the story might've been
Anonymous No.150951317 [Report] >>150951583
>>150950969
It said Earth not universe its like Earth 2 type situation, but still makes no sense since Zealot is literally apart of the Justice League in Waid's JLU.
Anonymous No.150951364 [Report]
>>150951050
it doesn't matter when it still implies Starfire and Red Hood hooked up
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>>150950214
I really don't think that Event Leviathan was relevant enough to be worth mentioning.
Anonymous No.150951436 [Report] >>150951473
>>150950226
>retcon all of the Prime Earth counterparts of StormWatch to have been the original StormWatch characters that traveled to the main universe all along
…does Waid not know realize that there’s like, 2 separate continuities that exist for both versions of them? Why not just have them exist in main continuity?
Anonymous No.150951473 [Report]
>>150951436
It might still have some licensing issues left over from when DC originally acquired them years ago that haven’t been totally resolved. It does explain why Gunn scrapped their solo movie altogether for a tv series instead.
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>>150950188
I am both pleased and confused on why DC hasn't given up on Sideways yet.
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>>150951368
I guess it needs to be said why we don’t see DEO, ARGUS, etc anymore.
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>>150951317
>Travelling the multiverse they periodically visit our earth
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>>150950184
>>150950218
I miss you
Anonymous No.150951603 [Report] >>150951626
Why didn't they mention Pandora
Anonymous No.150951622 [Report] >>150967001
>>150950248
>clash with Hush that reshaped the entire Bat-Family

lol, lmao at Jim Lee fucking up the entire Batman line by being so slow
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>>150951603
Didn’t Barry hint at her without saying her name on this page >>150950150
Anonymous No.150952136 [Report]
>>150950184
I really hate that, is even worse than a poochie I would rather have 9 cry of justice, 98 indentity crisis.

Also covers for this issue:
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover B Dan Mora Variant
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover C Jenny Frison Variant
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover D Scott Koblish Legacy Wraparound Variant
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover E Ryan Sook Foil Variant
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover F Blank Variant
New History of the DC Universe #4 Cover G 1:25 Jamal Campbell Variant
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>>150950147
bump
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>>150950147
bump
Anonymous No.150952544 [Report]
>>150950154
why is he framing the Suicide Squad as a good thing?
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>>150950172
Controversial opinion.

Sex with Grail.
Anonymous No.150953006 [Report] >>150953132 >>150953182
So between this one and Marvel’s, which was the better one?
Anonymous No.150953132 [Report] >>150953151 >>150953203 >>150953369
>>150953006
Marvel automatically wins because it's all in one timeline, this is covering several reboots and ends up having to skip a bunch of shit as well
Anonymous No.150953151 [Report] >>150954158
>>150953132
Having only one artist helped the Marvel one as well
Anonymous No.150953163 [Report]
>>150950154
Amanda was nowhere this thicc during that time
Anonymous No.150953173 [Report]
>>150950256
I hate Mark Waid
Anonymous No.150953182 [Report] >>150953213
>>150953006
I forgot, but did the marvel one have history erasure too?
Anonymous No.150953203 [Report] >>150953530 >>150953591
>>150953132
>it's all in one timeline
Remind me again, what decade did Cap wake up in? What war did Flash Thompson fight in? Who wounded Tony?
Anonymous No.150953213 [Report]
>>150953182
outside of not mentioning the Conan Hyborian age stuff outside of the Appendix I can't really think of anything
Anonymous No.150953369 [Report]
>>150953132
DC is now all one timeline as well, but the reboots are part of the canon unlike Marvel where the retcons just erase what happened earlier.
Anonymous No.150953530 [Report] >>150957242
>>150953203
WW2, Afghanistan, Random Middle eastern Terrorists.
Anonymous No.150953591 [Report] >>150958361
>>150953203
>what decade did Cap wake up in?
right now the 2010s
>What war did Flash Thompson fight in? Who wounded Tony?
explained in the Marvel History Book, they both happened in the Siancong War a floating timeline war
Anonymous No.150953608 [Report]
>>150950233
>>150950239
>>150950245
Lol, get fucked Knight Terrors.
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>>150950226
Thanks for making things more convoluted for Wildstorm characters Waid
Anonymous No.150953901 [Report]
Has Waid explained the Air Wave discrepancies anywhere yet?
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>>150950226
Fuck you Waid
Anonymous No.150954151 [Report]
>>150950226
Isn't Lightray from a different universe?
Anonymous No.150954158 [Report]
>>150953151
Really? Cause it looked kind of bland
Anonymous No.150954241 [Report] >>150954327 >>150958312
>Milestone is part of the main DC Universe
>Wildstorm is just an alternate world where the characters come over and visit a lot
Whack.
Anonymous No.150954281 [Report]
Kinda weird Barry writes about Starfire being on a team with Red Hood but not about the time Atlantis attacked the entire east coast because of a pro-Aquaman terrorist's false flag operation.
Anonymous No.150954327 [Report] >>150956100
>>150954241
Not even alternate universe but world
Anonymous No.150954721 [Report] >>150967018
>>150951122
To be fair, didn't Waid also erase Heroes In Crisis from canon? Which would h be a huge dick you to King...
Anonymous No.150954789 [Report] >>150956887 >>150957245
>>150950256
Does this mean that Barry is currently on our earth now that he’s retired?
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>>150950150
Shitting on New 52 Lobo is always welcome
Anonymous No.150955452 [Report] >>150956076
>>150950166
When did Pandora's box become a mother box?
Anonymous No.150956076 [Report]
>>150955452
Starting today
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>>150954327
The same thing in practice.
Anonymous No.150956515 [Report] >>150956536
>>150950256
What happened to the appendixes in the back?
Anonymous No.150956536 [Report]
>>150956515
DC editors forgot to add it for the digital edition
Anonymous No.150956538 [Report]
>>150951626
I thought that was referencing Manhattan since there's a blue hand
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>>150950192
Guys I think I actually really liked Justice League Odyssey
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>>150951080
Gotham Girl on this page at least even if she isn't named >>150950197
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>>150950177
good times
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>>150954789
I'm actually unsure what the hell the last page was trying to imply come to think of it.
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>>150950188
Terrifics my beloved
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>>150950184
>batmanium
Anonymous No.150957242 [Report] >>150958220
>>150953530
>Cap woke up in WW2
Anonymous No.150957245 [Report]
>>150954789
Yes, and if you find him and ask nicely he'll take you to DC Earth so that you can die in the next Crisis.
He's a swell guy like that.
Anonymous No.150957311 [Report]
>>150950184
>>150950202
>>150950210
>>150950214
>>150950218
You can really tell when DC went to shit
Anonymous No.150957358 [Report]
>>150950226
>>150950228
>>150950245
Worst era of DC
Anonymous No.150957401 [Report]
>>150952142
I like how they have Kid Jon for memberberries and adult Jon in the background.
Anonymous No.150957478 [Report] >>150957687
>>150950206
i forgot about nigger-wally what happened to him?
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>>150956574
Same here it was the last hyperhype book ever. All those reveals and that team chemistry was superb.
One of the most underrated team book ever.
Anonymous No.150957657 [Report] >>150957856
>>150950256
Motherfuckers, you’re second place to Marvel and have been since the 1970s.
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>>150957478
He's still around
Anonymous No.150957711 [Report] >>150957772
>>150950166
Sex with Jessica Cruz
Anonymous No.150957772 [Report]
>>150957711
too controversial
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>>150957657
Waid's just flexing that he gets to reign in hell now that nobody is around who cares enough to stop him.
Anonymous No.150957865 [Report] >>150957920
>>150950206
When the fuck did this happen? I don't remember a Damian-led Titans, a revived Young Justice, or a non-edgy version of the Wonder Twins coming back.
Anonymous No.150957920 [Report] >>150958326
>>150957865

Young Justice was Bendis and the Wonder Twins thing was under the same imprint by Mark Russell and Stephen Byrne. The Dial H book there was also under that imprint
Anonymous No.150958175 [Report] >>150958566 >>150962717 >>150968093
>>150950218
Remember when the Hand at the Beginning of Time was just the Anti-Monitor during the COIE? I bet DC doesn't even acknowledge the loop-hole they made in that issue.
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>>150957242
Does Cap not sleep?
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>>150954241
They literally could have stated that they're from Earth (insert unused number here) and a rift opens between them and Earth-0 every now and then because it got stapled on to it by Pandora during Flashpoint.
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>>150957920
No wonder; I avoid the Bendis stuff like the plague.
Anonymous No.150958361 [Report] >>150960542
>>150953591
>Siancong War
Literally only exists because Stan Lee publicly said that doing Golden Age style comics with the Avengers punching caricatured Arabs would be distasteful now. America has always been at war with someone to still make all their origins still make sense.
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>>150950254
It's weird how Marvel works on a "tons of possible alternate futures" premise, while DC works on a "all of these future stories take place in the same future" premise, although things change with every reboot." So like somehow the Great Disaster in Kamandi happened and in just a few centuries everything is fine and the Reverse Flash and Legion of Super-Heroes future happen.
Anonymous No.150958400 [Report]
Post the appendices!
Anonymous No.150958566 [Report] >>150958611
>>150958175
but bro we gotta up the stakes now the anti monitor is a fucking JOBBER
Anonymous No.150958611 [Report] >>150958703
>>150958566
I'm now remembering that one page during Sinestro Corp War when Sinestro and a Parallax-possessed Kyle were bowing before Cyborg Superman, Superboy Prime, and the Anti-Montior being one of the best "Oh Christ, we're FUCKED" moments pre-Flashpoint.

Continuous "DA UNIVERSE'LL NEVAR BE DA SAME!!!!11!" events have made jobbers out of everyone.
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>>150958326

The stuff he didn't write in that imprint did range from good to great (Wonder Twins, Dial H, Amythest)

>>150958378

There was actually a miniseries a couple of years ago by Orlando that was about the transition from Kamandish era to setting up the Legion that I liked but I don't think anyone else did or read it. And then that Bendis book hyping his Legion that was about What's her name living from the present to Legion time soft retconned it by ignoring it.
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>>150958378
Side effect of Post-Crisis Earth. With no alternate Earths to be where these futures take place, they all had to suddenly become the semi-canonical futures for a lot of characters.

They tried to remedy that during Countdown and Multiversity (Batman Beyond, Kamandi, and Armageddon 2001 all happen on different Earths now), but DC doesn't give a flying fuck about the Multiverse, so most people don't notice. Like, the current implication is that Batman Beyond won't happen on Earth-0 because Damian, Jon, and Wondie's kid will be the new Trinity in 15ish years.
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>>150958611
I love that dark crisis had all villains even the most badass multiversal ones like the empty hand or mandrakk bow to pariah and job to a few league members for no reason other than to up the stakes and "please take this event seriously guys things will never be the same we swear"
at least this recap had the decency of not mentionning or showing the ones that made no sense because what the fuck lmao >>150950233
Anonymous No.150958707 [Report] >>150958735
>>150950473
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>>150958707
He's one of the few people who understands that Batkek is a parody of Preptime Batman. He basically reveals how fucking stupid and obnoxious all of his 'By losing, I've already won!' bullshit is
Anonymous No.150959062 [Report] >>150959135
>>150958676
>but DC doesn't give a flying fuck about the Multiverse
I'm sorry, but what? DC if anything uses the multiverse way too much.
Anonymous No.150959116 [Report] >>150960561
>>150958676

>Like, the current implication is that Batman Beyond won't happen on Earth-0 because Damian, Jon, and Wondie's kid will be the new Trinity in 15ish years.

Morrison did have that one future story implying Batman Beyond happens just with Damian instead of Bruce

>>150958735
>>150950473

finally other people who get it
Anonymous No.150959135 [Report]
>>150959062
52+1 Earths and only TWO of them have ongoing series.
The multiverse is only used for events and that's it. It's not even used as a setting until itself; its the backdrop of a fighting game level. Hell, one of the two previously mentioned Earths is only around for an event and will most likely being shown the door once DC KO is finished.
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>>150950228
Why would I care about a tranny and a psychotic fag? How does this effect DC's overall history?
Anonymous No.150959545 [Report] >>150959929 >>150960167
>>150959440
Same reason why this page existed the first time they did this. They're hoping that the newest characters will eventually have a big impact on the future of the setting.
Anonymous No.150959929 [Report]
>>150959545
True, but at least those characters were there own being that anyone could like instead a mouthpiece for an overindulged demographic.
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>>150958378
>So like somehow the Great Disaster in Kamandi happened and in just a few centuries everything is fine and the Reverse Flash and Legion of Super-Heroes future happen.
Could say most of humanity left earth to start a new life on an off world colony during the great disaster and after things went back to normal they all came back
Anonymous No.150960167 [Report]
>>150950228
>>150959545
Monkey Prince deserved better
Anonymous No.150960542 [Report] >>150961215
>>150958361
It exists because of a floating timeline. After 9/11, Captain America did go after a terrorist group led by Faysal Al-Tariq. The Punisher did a bit of fighting in MAX as well. That attack had New Yorkers understandably heated.
Anonymous No.150960561 [Report]
>>150958735
>>150959116
Snyder is not subversive. He's a shallow horror movie-loving meathead. Batkek is genuine, not making fun of anything.
Anonymous No.150961215 [Report]
>>150960542
They obvious did shit at the time. But once it was time to do History of Marvel, they couldn't have Frank blasting out a hill of dead Al Qeada thugs or Tony having his MCU origin.
Anonymous No.150961259 [Report] >>150961598
>>150950256
insanity truth nuke
Anonymous No.150961598 [Report]
>>150961259
Waid…
Anonymous No.150962717 [Report] >>150966858
>>150950172
No Multiversity? Waid, you fucking donkey.
>>150958175
It wasn't, the Anti Monitor meant to replace it but couldn't.
Anonymous No.150962949 [Report]
>>150950184
Sex with Bryce Wayne
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>>150950218
>darkest knight
kek
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>>150950981
At least her wife Punchline was mentioned
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>>150951160
You are been really literal.
The winners always force their will, this is the history that they are writting the reality
Anonymous No.150963234 [Report] >>150964468
>>150950145 (OP)
Did this one not have a timeline like the previous issues?
Anonymous No.150964020 [Report]
bump
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>>150950202
>Color darkened Jon's hip area to look like trunks just in case the convenient light beam wasn't enough censorship
Perfectly sums up why even with all the means and opportunity DC can't reach any further than middling.
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>>150963234
The digital edition is lacking it for some reason.
Anonymous No.150964720 [Report] >>150965272
>>150950214
>punchline
is this character still alive? she hasn't been in anything in almost a year
Anonymous No.150965158 [Report]
>>150950226
All wildstorm characters being Multiverse travelers who just pop in from time to time makes no fucking sense considering how much they tried to tie them into the DCU. I mean fucking Demon Knights and the island of Gamorra is mentioned in this very book.
Anonymous No.150965272 [Report] >>150966974
>>150964720
I don't think they have a great idea of what to do with her.
It's a shame, I like her infinitely more than Harley.
Anonymous No.150965973 [Report]
hatebump
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>>150962717
I don't think they ever explicitly state WHOSE hand it is if it wasn't the Anti-Monitor's. That being said, it's not like they ever show someone staying long enough to see another big ass hand push it back. It's funny to think that it was simply Krona looking at whatever hand pops out at the beginning of time that determines how existence shapes out and not... you know. The Anti-Monitor using the power of all superheroes to just stick is fingers in the vortex to effect everything.
Anonymous No.150966974 [Report]
>>150965272
Primarily because she's literally just a 2020s reboot of Joker's Daughter and not a real replacement for Harley. An eThot who livestreams herself twerking while preaching about how cool chaos is doesn't not a moll make.

I'd tolerate her much more if she was treated as the stated historical founder of The Jokerz from the Batman Beyond timeline.
Anonymous No.150967001 [Report]
>>150951622
are we sure it's his tardiness alone or is Loeb huffing some shit too
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>>150954721
I think he did, but I'll never pass up an opportunity to shit on King
Anonymous No.150967020 [Report] >>150967055 >>150967089 >>150967509
>>150950145 (OP)

All this series has really done is highlight how much trash DC has collected over the years. A clean slate reboot feels more necessary now than ever.
Anonymous No.150967055 [Report] >>150967081
>>150967020
That’s what Absolute Comics exactly are you fucking casual zoomer.
Anonymous No.150967081 [Report]
>>150967055
No they're not you retard. Absolute line doesn't make the main line any clearer or cleaner. If anything it's going to fuck it up further through crossovers.
Anonymous No.150967088 [Report]
>>150950180
it's nice seeing Kenan with his team
Anonymous No.150967089 [Report] >>150967116 >>150967166
>>150967020
>doesheknow.jpg
more than half of this "trash" you're criticizing is precisely the end result of DC's obsession with "clean slate reboots" over the decades
Anonymous No.150967116 [Report] >>150967787 >>150967956
>>150967089

Reboots are not the cause of this, bringing the past back and acknowledging the past is.
Once you reboot, the past should be gone. Just gone. Erased. Foreverially delitized.
Anonymous No.150967166 [Report] >>150967428
>>150967089
It seems more that DC can never actually commit to a completely clean slate reboot across the board and keep some parts intact while others are reset. This goes all the way back to Crisis on Infinite Earths and was really noticeable in N52.
Anonymous No.150967240 [Report]
>>150950248
>hush
Ah I see

Where I can read this?
this story doesnt exist, but we pretend we all read it, right?
Anonymous No.150967428 [Report] >>150967826
>>150967166
>and was really noticeable in N52.
Post-Brightest Day was a set up for a line refresh, no different to things like the current DC line refresh (All In). You have an event, set up some stuff for future books. Brightest Day's ending brought in Vertigo characters like Swamp Thing and Constantine. Other characters like Aquaman were resurrected. (Animal Man was originally a White Lantern too but cut.) So yeah, the actual reboot stuff was done in an incredibly short turn around, and that's mostly stuff like Justice League, Superman etc. The Scott Snyder Batman Court of Owls storyline was originally a Dick Grayson (Dickbats) story, similar to Black Mirror (another Dickbats Snyder story), but then adapted for Bruce Wayne, which actually majorly weakened the story (the Talons/Lincoln Marsh were all connected to Grayson). Batwoman, Batman Inc, Green Lantern, etc, all carried on like nothing had happened. Aquaman, Swamp Thing etc were all part of that already planned line refresh and had been set up in Brightest Day. The New 52 did have a sales boost, it did have wider exposure in mainstream news and some people now are nostalgic for it. But ultimately it was just a line refresh given a different name and when the boost diminished they just went to Rebirth.

The thing is, it is always done for sales and peaks/troughs have happened before. Prior to Batman Year One, Batman sales in the 80s had slumped to 75,000, figures not seen since the 70s. They repeat reboots and refreshes because ultimately it works, even if it becomes a case of diminishing returns. The Absolute line is just another Elseworlds that people treat like a quasi reboot and that saw a big boost to sales (Absolute Batman #1 sold like 400,000 issues, and since then the title is still holding a good chunk of audience in the hundreds of thousands). Comics always have the same entrenched tricks and quality gets lost along the way.
Anonymous No.150967509 [Report]
>>150967020
>All this series has really done is highlight how much trash DC has collected over the years.
This series is just an encyclopedia with pictures. Any universe going for that many decades is going to accumulate stuff. The problem is seeing all that stuff doesn't make for interesting reading. This series is more like a repeat of the Official Handbook of Marvel Universe or DC's Who's Who. It's just stuff. I preferred the art in the Marvel's History of the Marvel Universe series. A better format is something like Grand Design. X-Men Grand Design by Ed Piskor actually felt interesting and like a narrative whilst also giving you a good deal of X-Men history (the Hulk one was weaker and I never read the FF one).

The problem as always is based on people's weird perception that these stories need constant reboot. The problem with comics is most stories are meh, poor art and bad writing. The truth is most comic books are not impenetrable to read continuity wise and people in the past picked up comics even when there were no collected editions, they just got context as they went along. But nowadays people build all these perceptions that make it seem impossible to read a series when it's not. A new creative team or line refresh is an easy and accessible jumping on point. But then that extreme issue of perceptions raises it's head again.
Anonymous No.150967721 [Report] >>150967899
They mentioned Batman Who Keks but not Superboy Prime fisting him to death and getting his redemption?
Anonymous No.150967787 [Report] >>150968075 >>150968644
>>150967116
Post-crisis DC was chugging along fine until Didio came along and had a hissy fit that Barry Allen was no longer Flash and decided to destroy everything to restore the pre-crisis DC that he grew up with.
Anonymous No.150967826 [Report] >>150968975
>>150967428
If New 52 was just a temporary refresh, it shouldn't should have been line wide. It should have been a core number of books like Abs/Earth One or even Heroes Reborn.

Applying it line wide without a backdoor reset really destroyed the DC continuity and left us with the current mess.
Anonymous No.150967899 [Report] >>150968222
>>150967721
There's a lot of shit that doesn't make sense. The whole "everything is canon" thing at the end of Dark Knights/Metal/Whatever was suppose to mean that everyone remembers history as it played out for us readers. I.E., Barry should remember that Earth 0 was originally the Silver Age Earth-1 that survived COIE as New Earth, then got turned into Earth 0 after Infinite Crisis when the Multiverse came back. Hell, they're even leaving out Convergence, which was suppose to explain that all the other Earths are actually survivors of COIE instead of weird imitations like they were after 52. It's a moot point post-Doomsday Clock, but Barry should have explained that their memories of meeting the JSA were of them originally being from Earth-2, but then they merged. This is a have your cake and eat it, too moment.

Then again, I don't think they ever explained why the whole "If you were there at the beginning of time with Anti-Monitor, you remember the OG Multiverse" thing went away.
Anonymous No.150967956 [Report]
>>150967116
The problem with that is that you have characters that people love BECAUSE of that past who suddenly become stolen valor literal-whose to the audience thanks to the reboot, so they have to do rush jobs to fix it.

The biggest example of this is Cyborg.
>Post-Crisis Cy finally getting a seat at the JLA's big boy table due to his years of being a notable Titan?
Makes sense.
>Post nu52 Cy being a fucking FOUNDING member of the JLA because some hackneyed bullshit about his cybernetics actually being made of New Gods tech?
Dumb as fuck; get this "I love TT03" diversity hire outta here.
Anonymous No.150967960 [Report]
>>150950256
All that for all of this to have less impact and recognition than your average "One Piece lore explained" video.
Anonymous No.150968010 [Report]
>>150950184
>>150950218
We still talk about you Batkek. Come home please.
Anonymous No.150968075 [Report]
>>150967787
Didio did nothing wrong
Anonymous No.150968093 [Report] >>150968159
>>150958175
What loophole?
Anonymous No.150968159 [Report]
>>150968093
Every pre-Crisis superhero is stored right before the start of the universe; a place specifically stated to be shielded from changes to the timeline. If you ever wanted to bring any of them back, you just send someone to that point, pluck them out, and you're good. Just put them back before Spectre pushes the Anti-Monitor's shit in.
Anonymous No.150968222 [Report] >>150968408
>>150967899
You also have Grant Morrison reintroducing Hal Jr. AirWave as alive, but now everyone's ignoring that to shill the one Johns made for the Lost Children with no commentary if the previous still died in IC or not.
Anonymous No.150968408 [Report] >>150968725
>>150968222
Looks like he just turned into a bunch of energy and scattered everywhere. You can easily handwave Hal Jr. coming back by saying he just relayed himself back to the original point in space where he exploded and then flew back home.
Anonymous No.150968644 [Report] >>150969021
>>150967787
That's not accurate. There were a ton of issues with post-crisis DC not entirely erasing all pre-crisis continuity and their many attempts to try to reconcile different backstories.
Anonymous No.150968717 [Report] >>150968963 >>150968996
>>150951160
Winners force their versions. Lost cause of confederacy or WWII revisionism get so much tractions, because the power of the winning version diminishes with time and truth gets out
Anonymous No.150968725 [Report]
>>150968408
Yeah, Cereal Lord was firm back in the day that he wasn't dead but DiDio kek'd and said he'd never be back. They had him among the dead in Blackest Night later, but then Rebirth rebooted him.
Anonymous No.150968963 [Report]
>>150968717
/pol/ please
Anonymous No.150968975 [Report] >>150969017
>>150967826
I mean that's what I'm saying it was a basic line refresh which the powers that be, Dan especially, mutated into a faux reboot.
Anonymous No.150968996 [Report]
>>150968717
Hitler lost.
The Confederates lost.
That's the truth.
Anonymous No.150969017 [Report] >>150970473
>>150968975
What's really funny is that people just wanted The World of Flashpoint as its own continuing series and not "Let's change everything in the regular timeline into something completely different from what's going on now OR what was going on in the Flashpoint timeline". They set up a neat alt-world that was barely touched.
Anonymous No.150969021 [Report]
>>150968644
Like everything with the Legion, Donna Troy, Power Girl, Hawkman and the resulting Zero Hour.
Anonymous No.150969065 [Report]
>>150950197
>>150950201
Haha, just going to gloss over Flashpoint Batman being the final boss of King's run by putting him in the back of that group shot and half obscured by Bruce, huh?
Anonymous No.150969072 [Report]
>>150950145 (OP)
Can someone please post the Chris Samnee wraparound/double page covers?
Anonymous No.150969182 [Report]
>>150950248
Shouldn't new-look Batman be blue instead of black for Fraction's run?

Hush 2 is the dumpster fire that keeps on giving!
Anonymous No.150970331 [Report] >>150971648
>>150958378
I think that the only time Marvel tried to reconcile two futures together was when it was established that Killraven and Guardians of the Galaxy happened in the same future.
Anonymous No.150970473 [Report]
>>150969017
>What's really funny is that people just wanted The World of Flashpoint as its own continuing series
Like I said in my main post, people like Elseworlds, hence why Absolute has been doing the rounds.

>"Let's change everything in the regular timeline into something completely different from what's going on now"
The stupid thing is how little change there really was. With all the books carrying on the dumb conceit they had is that nu canon was basically everything happening in 5 years. The new 52 is weird because, there were some alright books and stories. I just think the entrenched issues and ideas will always hold things back.
Anonymous No.150971323 [Report] >>150971745
>>150950145 (OP)
I just realized that Waid skipped over the entirety of the Milk Wars event crossover they had with their Young Animal imprint lmao
Anonymous No.150971648 [Report]
>>150970331
I think it's because that was before Marvel had so many futures that they decided to just pull a multiverse and say they're all alternate timelines. But because Killraven and the Martians had already been established as part of the past of the OG Guardians of the Galaxy, they just kept them in the same timeline.
Anonymous No.150971745 [Report] >>150973009 >>150975307
>>150971323
He also didnt cover JLA Avengers mostly because it is obvious that disney or better yet, the fucking OMD KLIQ didnt let DC post that event first until the sales of both batman crossovers are out.
Which is funny because Barry and Wally were the main actors in this and Barry has memories of the event as Bruce, Diana and Clark.
Anonymous No.150972374 [Report]
>>150950228
>Jon Kent’s lame ass ex-boyfriend
Why? He’s not important and no one fucking likes him.
Anonymous No.150973009 [Report] >>150974481
>>150971745
Pretty sure it’s DC waiting for that. Either that or he’s salty over how it panned out,
Anonymous No.150973364 [Report]
>>150950981
Okay I read the appendix pages now. Harper and her brother are mentioned.
Anonymous No.150974481 [Report] >>150974512
>>150973009
the thing is that waid loves the canon crossover, so is obviously the OMDfags in power
Anonymous No.150974512 [Report] >>150975178
>>150974481
Are OMDfags in the room with us now
Anonymous No.150975178 [Report] >>150975263
>>150974512
you first brevoort
Anonymous No.150975263 [Report]
>>150975178
OMDfags are in your walls
Anonymous No.150975294 [Report]
>Spiderfags are spreading their autism into a thread unrelated to Marvel
Pain.
Anonymous No.150975307 [Report]
>>150971745
Kys spidercuck
Anonymous No.150977276 [Report] >>150978445
So, uh...anyone got the appendix?
Anonymous No.150977552 [Report]
>>150950147
>>150950150
Bump
This era gives me nostalgia, this was during middle school when I started really reading more DC
Anonymous No.150978445 [Report]
>>150977276
Yes.
Ask me questions