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when did /co/ losers and girlfailure/boyfailure type characters become so popular and why? did a specific character or characters start this?

>>150960791 (OP)
>when did /co/ losers and girlfailure/boyfailure type characters become so popular and why?
When Zoomers started aging out of the teenager bracket.

>>150960791 (OP)
>when did /co/ losers and girlfailure/boyfailure type characters become so popular and why
when the last generation grew up and realised were all fucking smelly losers. draw what you know.

>>150960791 (OP)
When men started becoming submissive and yearning for "dom mommies"
This generation is so fucking cooked man

>>150960791 (OP)
when all you have to eat is girlboss, a failgirl is a refreshing treat

>>150960791 (OP)
pomni

>>150960791 (OP)
Self-inserters who need to project onto a piece of fiction's characters to enjoy it

>>150960791 (OP)
She-Hulk always comes to mind.

>>150960791 (OP)
gross

>>150960855
can they really dom anyone though when they can barely get control of their own lives?

>>150960791 (OP)
>sweat stains
Those are piss stains

>>150960791 (OP)
artist?

>>150960855
what if you just want a cute girl who is in your league?

>>150960791 (OP)
I don't like failures who wallow. I want someone like Pomni or Kobeni. Girl failures who still keep trying but suffer in agony. The endearing aspect is their spirit trying and dialing but still trying. It makes me want to pat them on the head and tell them they are doing a good job. If the girl is a failure but is just whatever about it, then they are disgusting!

>>150962694
Mimiyori

>>150962729
Yeah, I think part of the appeal is this, also the 'I can fix her' thing.
Basically people can either relate to the character because they have similar lifestyles, or because they sympathize and want to take care of them.

>>150962632
>piss
perhaps it's another bodily fluid from around the same area.

>>150960956
is Pomni like the first "mainstream" one? or would that be more Reagan from Inside Job?

>>150962730
>Pomni or Kobeni
both good choices

>>150962777
I just want a cute girl who might actually be happy with me.

>>150962869
Same, man, same...

>>150960791 (OP)
popular? isn't this a literally who OC?
>>150962729
same here
>>150962746
and here

>>150962936
>said "refined taste" is just the universal desire for human connection

>>150962746
>Mimiyori
Oh, the among us girl artist.

Girl failures are not especially new but I don’t think most people in animation know what makes them endearing so they end up trying to capitalize off of a desire for more nuanced female characters and end up making slop

>>150960791 (OP)
everyone feels like a loser now since jobs don't hire people anymore therefore it has become relatable and normie to be a loser

>>150960791 (OP)
>Ohhhh my shayla... my shayla...

>>150964238
Everyone who’s actually normie wants to be an influencer

>>150960791 (OP)
I would say Tomoko set it off.

>>150960855
Girlfailures aren't dom at all, so i'm trying to figure out where the hell this take came from

>>150964586
We’re all trying to figure this out because it makes no sense

>>150964277
contemptuous little bitch, how i love her so

>>150960791 (OP)
Because they seem more acessible to low self-esteem men, that's it. Desperation.

>>150960791 (OP)
I'm tired of eternal teens who refuse to grow.

You can enjoy childish media and yet want to become a functional adult.

Most children media are invented by functionnal adults.

>>150964238
Just go into trade to escape the loser plantation.

>>150964591
>Zoomers born in a world with a failing economy, unaffordable housing market, and various other stuff that makes having a good future where they're well off a seemingly impossible goal
>"Durr where did zoomies get their fetish for authority figure/lover that guides them, helps them, and comforts them"

>>150960791 (OP)
>overgrown eyebrows
they probably meant "normal"

>>150960791 (OP)
>did a specific character or characters start this?
yes

>>150963539
This format is way more elegant.

>>150962777
>also the 'I can fix her' thing.
You can't.
>t. dated a girl like this

>>150965462
why is tomoko so hot?

>>150964591
Read Freud

>>150960791 (OP)
Watamote popularised it, then the lockdown made it more mainstream since it was now relatable to a lot of people.

>>150965724
>i smoke cigarettes, ergo, i wanna fuck my mom and suck fat cocks also something about ego and id and superego whatever the fuck because i forgotten everything i learned in one semester of psychology

>>150962782
Women will obliterate their sensitivity with vibrators and wonder why they can't feel anything from actual sex.

>>150963539
>>150965540
I miss these silly comics

>>150964586
some of them want to be dom but probably couldn't even raise their voices at a guy without panicking

>>150962729
This seems like a different thing. That's just being mean to a nice person's face. >>150962729

>>150965779
is this true or just a myth?

>>150965879
this is like asking if a guy gorilla gripping his cock every day will mess with his ability to cum.

>>150965898
been treating my meat to a daily vulcan death grip. i should probably stop before i require the rhino pill just to get it up

>>150965898
I spent years jacking off and I still prematurely came during my first time, so I guess women don't fry their sensitivity with vibrators, you just suck at sex, or some women have better cunt nerves than others and you just have shit luck at picking them.
Sounds like a skill issue to me

>>150965879
It's true, but not in the way you think.
At least with girls, sex is mostly about the connection to their partner and is very much in the head.
Broads like that are generally broken goods, are unable to form a genuine bond to their partners, and are therefore unable to enjoy real sex.

>>150966197
ey we got romeo over here

>>150966197
>At least with girls, sex is mostly about the connection to their partner and is very much in the head.
Can you elaborate on this?

>>150966421
No because it's bullshit.

>>150960855
Anon, it's the exact opposite. Girl Failures hit the opposite itch of Dommy Mommies, where YOU have to take care of her. It's the same sense of a man wanting to be the bread winner, take care of his wife and kids.
It's literally just a trad wife with a different coat of paint.

>>150960791 (OP)
I wish girls like this were real.

>>150966793
They exist anon, the problem is finding them. Where are you supposed to find a woman who doesn't go outside?

>>150966793
They are but they don't leave the house very often.

>>150966614
Virgin detected.

>>150966421
Elaborate on what exactly?
How to connect to women?
You can't teach that, only learn from experience.

>>150966793
I used to be like this, it’s not a good life.
I barely left my room because I lived with my parents during college and my mom is a hoarder. All I did was cope, draw fanart, and argue online. I have autism and I didn’t get diagnosed until I was an adult because my parents neglected obvious signs when I was a child.

I feel like you can be a regular nerd and social outcast without being a failgirl and that being a failure is usually a symptom of something more going on.

>>150962746
She's perfect

>>150965779
No man. You're just not fucking good.

>>150966978
>I have autism and I didn’t get diagnosed until I was an adult because my parents neglected obvious signs when I was a child.
Did getting a diagnosis later in life help? I always debate the pros and cons. Its been obvious to everyone in my life besides my parents who have been in denial. But you know at almost 30 its like why bother? The diagnosis doesn't make autistic, being autistic does.

>>150967056
I originally went for an ADHD diagnosis since the symptoms have a lot of overlap and I was struggling in school. Once I got diagnosed, I tried to apply for disability accommodations and that’s when I got kicked out of the dorms and had to go back with my parents.

I probably should have sued but I didn’t have the time or money.

In terms of material benefit, it hasn’t helped much but in terms of knowing my coping mechanisms and when to advocate for breaks or whatever, it’s helped a lot. I started making irl friends who accept me, got married and got my dream job all because I was able to push through and accept myself.

>>150965879
dudes use death grip
chicks go belt sander

>>150963117
>pic
All you need is a goth girl who plays tennis and believes in her rights

>>150967164
This is why I watch solo male with no faces in it

>girl failures are highly desired
>guy failures die virgins alone
cool. cool. love all this male privilege i definitely have.

>>150960791 (OP)
autists like to imagine banging a reflection of themselves

>>150967613
Stop whining pussy

>>150965868
Bring me the big bunny.

>>150967639
uh huh. just gotta man up. suffering builds character right.

>>150966813
Breaking and entering?

>>150960791 (OP)
Still would.

>>150967164
Must be an asexual retard

>>150967651
Unfortunately that only works with a very specific kind of girl failure.

>>150967675
She loves getting fucked.

>>150967675
>>150967581
the vast majority of porn is god awful. nowadays more than ever since everything decent has been scrubbed from the internet three times over. i don't know how people can still get off multiple times a day when so much of the content out there nowadays is unwatchable, i maybe find one video every couple of months i like if i'm lucky. i guess they use their imagination but i can't do that as a permavirgin and have always had a shitty imagination anyways.

>>150967651
>Kicks door in
>"Hey there's a nice dumplings place down by the Riverwalk, would you like to go with me?"

Because it’s cute-ish

>>150960791 (OP)
Some relate to them
Some like it for humour
Others just like the aesthetic
But in my opinion it has to do with how refreshing it is. Of course that does mean that it will become stale later on... which means that girlbosses will be back in style before it repeats again!

>>150967650
Envying women is weak, I love being a man

>>150967743
it's just the women are wonderful effect again. except with fuckups instead of successful women.

>>150967743
It all comes down to uniqueness

>>150967761
the top 20% of men live better than all women and men, they're basically gods, but the bottom 80% of men live worse than all women. at least in the west.

>just get into the top 20%
not that simple considering most of the things that put you into that top 20% as a man are immutable.

>>150967793
Or just stop being a pussy bitch comparing yourself to everyone else
I'm a khhv before you accuse me of being a chad

>>150967820
ah so you're still in the denial stage. my condolences.

>>150965898
I do this and now I have weird spongy swelling around my circumcision scar

>>150967718
3dpd

>>150968078
i didn't get the autism that makes me obsess over 2d characters unfortunately.

What does it say about a girlfailue so desperate for attention that people hate her in canon and by the readers?

>>150967829
Better than giving up and acting like you're doomed to a shit life because of things out of your control
Sounds like you need some accountability

>>150967952
>tfw have this also
We're all gonna make it bro... don't give up yet...

>>150968152
unfortunately i'm not capable of separating myself from the reality i live in and becoming delusional like you. you do you though.

>>150968256
More helpless bitch talk, no wonder you envy women, you act like one

Girlfailures and femcels don’t exist. It’s impossible for women to be losers and undesirable. Even the ugliest, most fucked up woman can date and fuck out of her league. Women can also easily get out of poverty by finding a wealthier man.

>>150968271
it's really not too far out of the realm of possibility to just accept that some men are going to go through life alone virgins because of circumstances out of their control. in fact it's more believable now than ever before.

>>150968100
you just need the tism that lets you fap to them

>>150968312
I never denied that

>>150968374
don't have it. got bored of 2d stuff ages ago and was never super into it to begin with. both 2d and 3d porn are just grim reminders of stuff i'll never experience in my lifetime nowadays.

>>150968410
well there's no cure for doomerism

>>150968442
hopecels be seething and coping

>>150968310
Look, I don’t have the best opinion of normie women and I certainly don’t like BPD chicks but this is ridiculous. Of course some women are just losers, it has nothing to do with being women just their personality and circumstances. Normies are just immune to that.

>>150968787
A loser is just a winner in training.

>>150968787
>Of course some women are just losers
yeah we call them single mothers.

>>150968828
Some people don’t want to win the game, they heavily identify with being losers as a core of their personal identity or even branding. It’s frustrating when I see men like that, but I will admit that when girls do the whole “loser girl” identity, it’s usually as a sex appeal thing.

I have a fetish of a giant woman using me for a dildo and then swallowing me. I'm posting this here so I won't come back to the thread and slide further into doomerism, wish me luck.

>>150968849
when the world constantly treats you like something inherently undesirable to be thrown away and forgotten you tend to start believing it. men are disposable, always have been. we just have more avenues to complain about being left behind and ostracized nowadays. well those of us who ended up losers.

>>150962800
nobody gives a hoot about inside job

>>150968873
Have you heard of unbirth

This thread has me all melancholy, not gonna lie.

>>150968833
bazinga

>>150969022
I have sympathy for loser men, because some stuff is legitimately outside your control; the economy is terrible, jobs aren't hiring, it's harder and harder to find someone in an increasingly socially isolated world.

But do you honestly think women don't struggle with that too? I mean, your best options for men are screeching zoomer idiots going "67 67!" or a guy who sees you as his mom.

>>150960827
>>150965732
not gonna lie, I think the lockdown thing and zoomers getting older probably does have a lot to do with it. but i think it also impacted a lot of other romance and sex stuff, particularly for that generation.

>>150965462
I like that she's into audio stuff, I can appreciate that

>>150971247
>67 67
What?

>>150971247
>But do you honestly think women don't struggle with that too?
i think a lot of the blame is on women for either wanting someone out of their league or letting shitty men put a baby in them because they're desperate. women in the west hold all the power when it comes to dating dynamics. so the blame ultimately is on them. saying
>all men are shit and i don't want any of them even if they're my personality and looksmatch

is ultimately just admitting you're chadsexual. plenty of men go almost their entire lives without a single crumb of female attention or validation simply because they don't give women pussy tingles. whether it be because of their looks or personality or status.

>>150960791 (OP)
>when did /co/ losers and girlfailure/boyfailure type characters become so popular
'70s underground comix. They're either about loser stoners getting into hi jinks, or a character who's a thinly-veiled "cool version" of a loser stoner.

>>150966133
>some women have better cunt nerves than others and you just have shit luck at picking them.
this is kinda true sometimes, a lot of women go years not knowing how to even get themselves off. even getting past the guilt and shame, they find it really difficult to get off even under good circumstances.

>>150972058
unfortunately not all women can have a kind chad teach them the ways of having sex.

>>150971221
I hope they make a bigger mess this season

>>150960791 (OP)
And why am I still not popular? I've been a fucking boyloser all my life.

>>150972083
I don't buy Fionna being a loser because at the end of the day, she's a curvy white woman living in New York with her own place, and who has the ability to make friends on a dime. The sky is the limit for her.

>>150972098
you could be getting fetishized right now, anon!

>>150972177
>2d
well unfortunately anon isn't a drawing or fictional character.

>>150972307
he's cooked

>>150960791 (OP)
Nobody likes boyfailures.
Girlfailures are cope for narcissistic men who want to see themselves in women instead of fantasizing about actually hot girls like normal guys do

>>150965868
>>150971728
>>150972177
>>150972340
I see you guys seem to like my stupid girls. But to be fair, they weren't intended to be like, girlfailures or anything just to make fun of the girl parts of nerdy fandom culture.

>>150972473
people generally find people who are similar to them attractive, most couples are looksmatched at the end of the day. well at least when a woman realizes she can't land a chad, must be one of the most harrowing moments of a woman's life. if not the most harrowing.

>>150972509
>I see you guys seem to like my stupid girls.
we do
>they weren't intended to be like, girlfailures or anything just to make fun of the girl parts of nerdy fandom culture.
Gwen seems like the least fail of all of them but Billie, Aggie, and Liz seem to be moderate girlfailures at the least
Quinn is neat too

>>150971221
who's the dude on the poster?

>>150972058
>even getting past the guilt and shame
In Saudi Arabia?

>>150972615
lol

is this someone thirsting over ftms? fucking hell man. women even prefer other women pretending to be men over nonchads.

>>150971247
what the fuck is 67 67?
>guy who sees you as his mom
ah, one of these types.

>>150972615
Quinn is fun, I haven't done a thing with her in a while
>>150972681
They weren't ALL meant to be ftm but it's funny, I got a lot of backlash for even including one? I don't know why, I was just trying to be inclusive but I guess I don't know a lot about trans stuff and now, I don't ever want to tackle it again.

>>150971221
imagining the aroma

>>150972681
to be fair, Quinn is bi but probably wouldn't be getting pussy either. i think she'd take a chance on a nonchad but one would have to choose her

>>150973064
>I can't see myself with a fat chick
is it 1980?

>>150973091
I guarantee guys are still like that Anon, even here

>>150966793
they are, they're just not leaving their house

>>150973064
the art style just makes this person look cute and chubby. women having issues dating irl like this would have to be obese burn victims or something.

>>150973264
there's a biiiig difference between chubby/overweight/skinnyfat and obese. this character doesn't look obese, and people are right to avoid and shame obese men and women into losing weight.

I hate my social autism where i dont' know how to talk or converse with people and make friends and have a gf. at least i can give onlyfans girls money to act like they like me

Why are girlfailures so cute?

>>150973335
>I hate my social autism where i dont' know how to talk or converse with people and make friends and have a gf.
Yeah I just don't understand it, I never realized while I was in school how much I depended on a forced social structure to keep my head above water.
>at least i can give onlyfans girls money to act like they like me
Don't do that.

>>150967164
>which way, Everest Ning?

>>150973264
good.

>>150973264
Don't make me pull out my "fat girls with guys out of their league" folder.

>>150973365
Because you keep choosing to depict them that way.

>>150968310
Feel like it'd be more accurate to say any woman can get casual sex but some are legit too messy to hold down a relationship and I don't think that's really the same thing as being desirable. Moreso just guys will fuck whatever for the most part

>>150967675
>>150967688
canonically, she would've just gotten through the unpleasantness and jerked it out regardless. the author said she played it up for the gag. Eve also does like sex, especially with the guy she ended up with in the end.

>>150973452
that's a dude

>>150973446
Why do you have that folder? Also it doesn't actually mean there's no guys that still don't prefer fat chicks nor that every one lucks her way into a guy out of her league. It's the same confirmation bias that makes it so every guy who has a friend built like Danny Devito with several supermodel girlfriends.

>>150973493
Can't be more of a girlfailure than failing to be a girl.

>>150969275
I do

>>150973365
>>150973452
>they're either gigastacies or disgusting trash goblins

>>150973365
I think it's funny that people got so mad over this when she's like Misato-tier, which I'd consider being under the girlfailure umbrella

>>150973551
yo, is that cheers?

>>150973564
yes, it factors quite a bit in the show

>>150965868
there's art of this one fingering herself

>>150973512
Still a guyfailure.

>>150973570
the mailman is a bit of a failure, huh? I'd say Norm too since his life sucks.

>>150973576
good. i hope there's art of all of them fingering themselves, though i'll admit the short one is my favorite.

>>150966752
You mean trash wife, not trad wife.

>>150973540
The issue is Misato is an incidental Girlfailure as well as nowhere near that much of a bombshell. Misato's girlfail traits are a superficial part of a larger character what might initially seem like a flirty messy drunk anime cliche is a genuine alcoholic masking her issues with intimacy and self-love. Meanwhile Girlfailure is JUST the cliche and just very obvious and uninteresting. She's just a hot chick who's fake dirty. And I guess it's dumb to complain because duh that's what they're selling but I'm the kind of autist who gets pissy when I watch cop porn and it looks like they bought their uniforms at Spirit Halloween. So I get it.

>>150973453
>demonize men and tell them not to approach or bother women under any circumstances
>all the decent guys are too anxious and afraid to shoot their shot
>all the assholes with confidence coming out the wazoo pump and dump
not my problem. actions have consequences.

>>150973659
>tell them not to approach or bother women under any circumstances
Nobody has actually said this.

>>150972721
>Quinn is fun, I haven't done a thing with her in a while
you should do more stuff with her

>>150973689
women did. to millennials and zoomers.
>if a woman is interested she'll let you know
>don't be a creep she's just here to have fun with her friends
etc

>>150973659
You listen to women?

>>150973091
I don't even think people were "fat friendly" until like 2017-2018, maybe? even then, people have been pushing those weight loss drugs so much, it seems like the pendulum is swinging hard back

>>150973712
women told me to sit quiet and listen when a proud, independent, empowered modern woman is speaking yes.

>>150973689
Are we rewriting history?

>>150973711
can you point to actual examples?

>>150973713
good, maybe we can have fewer people dying from avoidable illnesses

>>150973752
no. a woman has never been interested in me and "shown signs" since i am ugly so i have never been able to "shoot my shot" so to speak.

>>150973452
I feel like that toy is for display purposes, even if it was initially bought for sex reasons I can't imagine she took more than one look, decided it was too aspirational and just continues jerking it the way she always does.

>>150973659
>>150973711
>>150973730
thank God, I never had to worry about that crap with my OC waifu.

>>150973499
>It's the same confirmation bias that makes it so every guy who has a friend built like Danny Devito with several supermodel girlfriends
I have maybe once in my entire life seen a shorter man date a taller woman. Not Danny devito looking. I have no clue what the fuck you're on about here. This a baby boomer and before thing at most.

>>150973787
emphasis on "jerking". lmao.

>>150973786
>it's womens fault i'm alone because i never had the balls to actually approach and chat one up
lmao

>>150973820
why would i cold approach a woman who's giving zero signs as a nonchad? why would i do that? i am not an insane person.

>>150973820
Nta but every woman I ever asked out said no. Why bother when statistically the trend will continue?

>>150960791 (OP)
I don't like being hit on by women, it always annoys for personal reasons, I kind of take it as an insult.

>>150964277
>>150964594
Too bad she got ruined in the manga later on

>>150973895
vast majority of men have never been hit on by a woman. ever.

>>150973890
>>150973880
Whoever you are, I am going to find you, not the girl in this comic, YOU, and I WILL make you PREGNANT.
>But I am a man
Even better.
You have 6 days. Enjoy them. They're the last time you will ever be unfertilized.

>>150973909
You're not missing much.

>mutts are now ripping off of depressed femcel manga
grim

>>150973799
I'm talking about how online has a million anecdotes saying that shit because it's the narrative they want to push same way you have a folder of ugly chicks with good looking boyfriends because the narrative you want to push despite never encountering that shit in the wild.

>>150973938
So far, none of these are femcels, they're sluts. Different categories.

>>150973954
I did encounter it though. A few times even. I have yet to encounter what you describe.

>>150967793
I think black women have it the worst though.

>>150973920
i'm sure it's normal for chads such as yourself to get annoyed at undesirable women wanting you. similar to a woman getting tired of rejecting nonchads. you forget though that a large amount of men will never be desired period and will live a lifetime of sexless isolation and loneliness. you take your good fortunes for granted i guess. many such cases.

>>150973841
>>150973870
Alright whatever. It's your guys' choice to stay single, not mine. Thanks for limiting the competition.

>>150973993
Nah, I hate it because I already went through no woman ever giving a shit about me, even being called wierd and ugly for just existing. So now it all feels hollow.

>>150974006
It's not us you need to worry about nigga it's Chad an Tyrone we were never competition to begin. They're the reason you're online right now on fucking 4chan arguing with us instead of fucking bitches. We aren't.

>>150974011
oh okay. i got fit and lost a lot of weight and am still ugly and invisible to women so i cannot relate unfortunately.

>>150974006
go on chad. it's your birthright after all.

>>150973697
Someday when I’m not doing other stuff! Right now I’m just working on my main comic, which ironically is about an incel guy.

>>150974030
yikes

>>150973672
that's a man

>>150974055
you're thinking about the other one

>>150974040
Oh no! Im appropriating your culture!
Maybe this is the boyfailure revolution, though. Who knows? I like boyfailures though.

>>150974018
>>150974021
Look, this whole "woe is me" thing is pathetic and ugly. You both have been poisoned by this website into thinking you need to be perfect to even talk to women. It's a meme but seriously, touch grass. Men and women looksmatch all the time. Climb out that self-hate hole before you dig yourself too deep.

>>150974158
>Touch Grass
Terrible advice for a shut-in who's afraid of people. They need better structured social events if they're going to break out of their isolation. "Touching Grass" usually just amounts to being alone outside and even more lonely and resentful

>>150974111
>I like boyfailures though.
who are your top 3?

>>150974111
I'll start my book on quantum physics then.

>>150974111
women like 2d fuckups sure. irl it's a different story and the man needs to be confident and put together and the breadwinner, because we all know women are the prize men strive towards. even if the woman makes good money the majority of the time they still want a man who makes more than them. only chads can get supported by a career woman. every other man MUST prove his worth and be successful and self sufficient with his own place and career and goals to even get a whiff of pussy.

>>150974021
yeah, but you're fit now. Doesn't It feel good not to feel like shit all the time?

>>150960791 (OP)
why are you people so hung up on 3d shit?

>>150974158
>this whole "woe is me" thing is pathetic and ugly.
only because i am ugly. would probably be a turn on for women and induce a "i can fix him" mindset if i was attractive.

>You both have been poisoned by this website
my entire life and lived irl experience up to this point has told me women across the board find me unfuckable. i am convinced a woman has never been attracted to me in 30+ years.

>>150974183
Top 3 cartoon boyfailures?
Probably Dexter Douglas from Freakazoid, Jack Spicer and Peter B Parker from Spiderverse.
Though I'm friends with a lot of people that consider themselves boyfailures, I don't consider them "failure" material because growth isn't always linear or set in stone.

>>150974203
I think you're being too harsh but I understand what you're saying comes from a real place of unfair expectations and pain.

i'm 25 years old and never kissed a girl

>>150974206
physically it feels better sure but mentally and emotionally it feels worse knowing fat or not you're still unattractive.

>>150974174
Yeah that makes sense.
>>150974250
Have you ever tried asking a girl out?

>>150974295
>Have you ever tried asking a girl out?
why would i do that when none have ever flirted with me?

>>150973711
Every other single piece of media where "insert cool female/female friend here" has given "good advice" to the nice guy.

It's always bullshit.
If the nice guy shot his shot with the cute to average girl eyeing him or blushes when I look at her he would have at least smashed or hooked up.

It was retarded advice put out by loser women who grew out of the "these darned guys won't stop hitting on me and that's bad" mindset at 30 when the guys acted like she was invisible.
Now the entire world has to pay.
And they are the ones making "advice" for women and running the media circus.

>>150973796
Escorts, girls who need a bill paid, and horny milfs/housewives who want to get their back broken and no relationship are easier and less complicated.

I've heard somethings about the 20lbs of tits and ass toy. But I'll be damned if I get it and it's another one of those made for normal sized guys toys that I can't even fit the head in or even go half way into. I'll be damned if I spend another 200 bucks on that crap and have to throw it away without using it.

>>150974256
I kissed a prostitute once

>>150974358
what the hell does a waifu have to do with any of that?

>>150974256
Not that uncommon.

>>150974304
So you haven't. And that hasn't stopped other men from flirting first. Like that other anon said you need to learn to be less afraid of people in general. Start by finding friends through family or going to social events and forcing yourself to interact.

>>150974419
why would i flirt with a woman who isn't interested or attracted to me? that's ridiculous.

>>150974401
she was a hot and expensive one if that makes it better

>>150974389
Nevermind
None of this matters

>>150972137
I wouldn't call wherever she lives NYC, theres not nearly enough garbage and niggers and horrid architecture to be NYC, it looks like like some cheap second rate midwest city to me

>>150973512
I want to impregnate that

>>150972615
>the same people who bitch about rape culture and objectification of women also think women cutting their tits off is hot
We live in the gayest timeline possible

>>150975153
You can't impregnate "her" but I'm sure the science will be common place soon enough to that you can have a weird chimera baby.

Remember /co/ no matter how much of a loser she is, she'll eventually develop enough sense to realize she's still too good for you and your bullshit.

>>150975306
who is she? women don't know i exist.

>>150962729
ew, i'm not dating a christfag no matter how much my type she is. It's an automatic disqualification.

>>150975265
Yeah I don't think I've ever bitched about that in any of my comics? Also fun fact: this character is not me! She's fictional!

>>150965879
Only if they use it too much in a short succession, like over the course of a couple of days.

>>150967650
>>150967793
>just gotta man up
For yourself, not whores.

>>150973730
Well, don't listen to those types of women.

>>150973712
You're supposed to listen to your parents growing up. And who doesn't like listening to sincere compliments and praises?

>>150973870
Is it where you live?

>>150974011
>even being called wierd and ugly for just existing
What happened? Is there more context to this situation than what you described?

>>150973452
Why is SIR not short and fat in this comic?

>>150975367
No one gives a fuck what you want or if you live or die.

>>150975492
congratulations, cuck

>>150973629
No anon, I mean trad wife. It's just the low energy form.
>Both stay at home wife
>Both need you to provide for her
>Trad wife keeps the house tidy
>Failure wife keeps the house comfy
>Both spend time with the kids

>>150960940
>kills herself(with a younger version of herself)
Ultimate failure. Also fuck that shit they had a good thing going

>>150973890
what completely different life then mine
but similar thought
however its about my truck and I had to disassemble my dryer

>>150974610
It be more insulting if you tried to kiss her and she was one of those bitches that doesnt kiss on the job. Take what you can get I suppose

>>150960791 (OP)
>>150960827
I always thought it was a culmimation of 3 things
>Already existing wagie job market that influenced muh millenial humor
>The lockdown turning half the population into neets for 2 yeara
>a large portion of people starting to lack social skills, and becoming what one would call neets as well
>etc.
Also the art kids are the ones making this shit, so it always reflects them.

>>150964277
>>150965462
I think it goes without saying, but Tomoko has pretty much become the archetype loser character, not just in anime but in general.

>>150975596
current r9k is mostly teenagers from tiktok who will grow up to be sex havers, and literal sex havers or volcels. it's pointless to go there nowadays as a truecel wizard you'll just get bullied.

>>150966793
they do exist
but they are not cute and pleasant to look at like these drawings
cartoons are always better

>>150975668
didn't the mangaka turn her into a normalfag with a lesbian harem or something.

>>150975546
I still dislike that writing decisionand how Happy End Game utterly wastes her a lot but it's been almost 20 issues, it's time to move on.

>>150975367
she just wanted to save your soul

>>150960791 (OP)
Shes gross. Too real. Post cute failures.

>>150975795
cringe and gay image.

>>150975804
Nooo, shes cute, shes just really bad at people and needs her bf to take care of/rough her up.

>>150975684
Everything after Chapter 70 or so is better off ignored. I read to about chapter 100 and found the drastic change in character a bit unrealistic.

>>150975795
For once my cock and my heart are in complete agreement.

>>150975856
yeah, i think she would definitely count

>>150974255
>I don't consider them "failure" material because growth isn't always linear or set in stone.
do they know that there's hope for them?

>>150976475
I feel like I’m slowly convincing them there’s hope and encouraging them to go after what they want in life.

>>150972721
>I was just trying to be inclusive
Where the hell do you think you are?
We hate this shit here.

>>150976843
>/co/ is a hivemind

>>150976843
>>150976912
I actually didn’t initially post it here, people just found it

>>150976912
>a couple of degenerates means you cannot make a generalizing statement like that
>i am very smart
Fuck you.
>>150976923
I can't say that it makes it better, but it is at very least understandable.

>>150977132
I like to occasionally draw stuff here though it’s usually draw thread stuff

>>150967164
[literally anything]happy sex(also works without but add it if you want extra sweet) -rape -drugs -ryona/guro -bestiality -niggers -asphyxiation

There, all feel good sex to your liking!
meatspace porn fell fucking hard after the 10s thanks to HQ porn, wanting to be like some sort of Hollywood XXX, nepotism and doing everything in your power to dodge health laws and test.

>>150965213
Hahahaha this nigger has even been within 100 feet of a jobsite. You got soft hands boy

>>150971703
>>150972695
Dont you need to work on your bills unc? Hows your backpain

>>150971703
Its a meme about memes.
No im not kidding.
Theur fucking playing telephone with the objectively flawed concept of a may may.
This is bad. Very very bad.


I wish I had fought Dawkins and his little faggot cultists harder to protect 4chan when they came here...but...I just failed.

>>150975368
I dont talk to ugly dykes

>>150960791 (OP)
This has been the case for probably 15 years, it's not some recent development by any means. Don't you know why Velma is the one everybody waifufags over instead of Daphne? Maybe some people are legitimately attracted to the idea of a schlubby unkempt nerd, but for half it's just the notion that the girl herself would be desperate, would thus not have any standards, and so would be an attainable goal.

>>150977404
You make up people in your head to hate

>>150977404
Ugly is a questionable term but she's married to a man. Of course you already knew that or you wouldn't have replied. Right?

>>150978048
I can be ugly and still married to a man, lol it’s fine. Sometimes people get a weird impression of me based on what fictional stuff I make.

>>150975424
>just standing around
>some girl with her friends"Hey, you see that ugly guy- I mean"
Friend told me that, told they tried to play it off because they thought I heard. To this day, I have no idea why they would say shit like that about someone they didn't know.

>>150972662
a lot of western women from pretty normal backgrounds are embarrassed by it, for any variety of reasons that don't have to involve religion. but the religious side is there too, so that does play a factor as well

>>150974030
>is about an incel guy
if he's a loser, he can go in this loser characters thread if you've got new art about him

>>150973835
I actually chuckled with this one.

>>150974256
33, my wizardom shall reign forever.

More people should look into the economic and social ruin inflicted on Russia in the 1990s and understand how this type of organized decline is what America has been entering for years now.

>>150960791 (OP)
Relatability

>>150976976
oh my god I want her so bad

>>150978467
Yeesh

>>150978467
exactly, the collapse of the soviet union was the greatest tragedy in living memory, since most people who experienced the holocaust are now dead.

>>150960791 (OP)
>>150971590
Stop pretending you don't know. Gen-Zers and even millennials stay indoors at their PCs or smartphones all day long and they're afraid of going outside, hence the "go outside and touch grass" joke.
Also a lot of disgenics started breeding and yelling out loud how it's normal to be a disgenic: SJWs, Tumblrinas, landwhales, etc. truly the worst generation in all of history even by pajeet standards. Pajeetas and turkish women aren't fat cause they starve half to death due to being poor, but the arab and turkish man's "ideal" is women with hair and
browns and NEETs found one another and started breeding, the rest is the future of your kind.

>>150973091
No, it's just that only browns like fat women and browns are extremely vocal and many and outvocalizing whites because they're invading the goddamn countries and the goddamn internet.

>>150967164
Why do girls need porn to masturbate? Can't they just look at themselves

>>150979256
Regardless of what Hollywood jews tell you women find women's bodies just as disgusting as men do with gay people.
>But but women in clubs do it all the -
18-22 skank whores who are mentally unwell just like 2 guys grabbing one another in a friendship kinda way.

>>150979205
You'd fuck a sandwich if it identified as female.

>>150975306
Who are you talking to, jew? Don't make me teach all these NEETs how to reject women, besides they already do.

>>150975795
>you're too nervous to order "its" okay "," "i"ll order for us(.)
Who wrote this? some Mexican? Also how the fuck can you be nervous to order food on the phone?

This generation could easily be convinced to commit suicide if it taught them they'll revive as a normal human being or worse ... in their selfishness they'd choose to turn the whole planet into disgenics.

Programmers don't have time for relationshits unless they're retarded codemonkeys.

>>150979295
I think the reality is that I have such low self-esteem that I aim low because she would be less likely to recognize my failings and leave me

>>150979851
it is like that

>>150972509
obsessive fangirl who fantasizes about hot anime men/boy bands/actors is part of the girlfailure stereotype so it’s kinda unavoidable

>>150979288
> aim low because she would be less likely to recognize my failings and leave me
Ohhhh wait till you realize the reality of geek and low standard relationships.

>>150980717
that pic is my experience on 4chan every fucking day except i'm not even autistic. just mentally stunted and stupid. maybe this place would be more tolerable if i was a legit sperg.

>>150972615
wait, those are mastectomy scars?
I thought those were just an effect to highlight manboobs

>>150978019
Wym she's right here, let me get mad

>>150981330
What if you were mad at the real issue with her and not a version of her you made up in your head?

>>150976976
>smashing bugs against a white wall
Urge to kill rising

>>150960855
dommy mommies are sooooo 2023

>>150979295
Already have

>>150982114
Everyone you perceive is actually a version if them made up in your head.

>>150983866
>5'5" hyper manlet
chances are all the men at best buy will be a lot taller too.

>>150983866
didn't realize gymnastics was a skill of best buy employees

>>150982114
Right now im imagining a version of you in my head absolutely going to town on my dick just slobbering till you cry here comes the cum

>>150979256
they like to engage in a little fantasy before "taking the plunge".

>>150981179
could be both, Quinn's standards don't seem to be very high

>>150979851
i'd count him as one, though that six pack would have to be made of a little bit of chub, maybe some hair on it.

>>150984566
Tranny

>>150982412
then why are people talking about them all over youtube comments?

>>150985505
nonchad men are only allowed to express their sexuality when the hypothetical woman is dominant and in charge and the man is feminine and submissive. otherwise women get le ick and the fantasy is too rapey.

>>150985505
youtube commenters are mostly bots

>>150985565
so is 4chud.

>>150985100
no, I'm pretty sure she's a biological female, just an intentionally gross one.

>>150986116
the artist is a tranny and the character is his self insert.

>>150986127
I thought that was her roommate, the big burly tran

>>150986139
probably both are. trannies can only make self inserts they are inherently narcissistic.

>>150975153
It's an ugly man.

>>150975306
The point of the video: This one man was abusive and I had poor self esteem so I didn’t leave
What you heard: I’m too good for this loser manchild

Bro, that says more about you than her

>>150965779
You're just 4" lol

>>150983866
>Hey all! Stephen here!

>>150980717
This. As someone with an ugly face, dating is literally hell on earth.

>>150986565
jus b urself :)

>>150986510
wait, someone with sense is on 4chan? I feel like if Jane Goodall randomly bumped into another nature researcher while hanging out with the gorillas.

>>150960791 (OP)
Girlfailure is like one step away from tradwife.

>>150986822
And that step is "showering"

>>150986822
they're both leeches. Maybe they aren't so different.

>>150986510
I don't know why you assumed that was my take away, I said "developed enough sense".
That being said where does she find these guys? Her fiancé sounded like a mess too

>>150986814
>He doesn't realize he's just a chimp who found a pith hat.

I wish Mimiyori would do a girlfailure video for /co/ characters
https://youtu.be/UdLMcq--Xrg?si=RPlEcQG3vBpePvMq

>>150975768
i stopped reading it after book 3. the flowery swear words gets old and overused. What the fuck happened?

Wanda Maximoff

>>150987300
she's way too pretty and her skin is too unblemished to be a true girlfailure, she looks like a model dolled up to present as a girlfailure in a movie. If she was properly grimed, I would want to suffocate in her musky bush.

>>150960791 (OP)
>girlfailure
No such thing. They can fall back on being a house wife or better yet sell themselves to gooners on OnlyFucks. Men need to provide as we see now in reality with AI taking all technical jobs away soon. All the real jobs that provide value for real pay are labor intensive. Even automation cannot do many things you need an engineer, electrician, mechanics, and even in science field for physicians, surgeons, and nurses.

They need to stop pay walling talent, and intelligence.

>All these pics
>none of them show and peeking bush
Gay. #notmygirlfailures

I wonder how deep her fail streak is gonna go

>>150987548
I like them hairy too, anon

>>150987153
I'll go issue by issue for the rest of the Brett Bean run since I haven't read the current run.
1/2
>#11
Cloudia goes to the real world, a lot of unfunny jokes, Duncan disappears for some reason for the rest of the run, and some of the worst meta humor I have ever seen
>#12
100% filler issue of traditional fairytale story but Gert is in it, this could have worked better as an untold tales story
>#13
Hollywood parody issue
>#14
The Gertlings return, they cause chaos on Fairyland
>#15
Vergil (The demon goat that helped Adult Gert to return to Fairyland) returns now to help nuGert, this and #14 are the only issues that acknowledge that nuGert and Adult Gert are different characters, nuGert becomes Gertzilla and kills all the Gertlings
>#16
Fairyland celebrates that nuGert saved them, then a wizard who has a grudge against her (technically OG Gert) tries to kill her and fails, then the final pages reveal that Happy is amassing an army in Hell to kill nuGert
>#17
We get a character's backstory about how Gert killed him but then he does not appear ever again, Happy goes to Fairyland, then Gert is told by Cloudia's brother and the Council to recruit Fairytale protagonists to stop Happy
>#18
Happy invades the pillow people with the other Gerts, then nuGert tries to convince Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz to help her, she says no so nuGert leaves, then Happy absorbs all of the other Gerts (Including Adult Gert, who was not on the pillow people invasion but apparently works for Happy) and becomes MegaHappy who is just Evil Happy with yellow ribbons
>#19
Dorothy is convinced by bootleg female Johnny Test to help nuGert so she contacts the other Fairytale characters, then Gert and Happy's armies start their battle, then the issue ends with the fairytale characters coming to help nuGert.

>>150987153
>>150987766
2/2
>#20
nuGert and Happy fight, then Happy pukes the other Gerts, the other Gerts want to kill her but nuGert suddenly wants them to spare Happy and kill her instead since she is now taking responsibility for what she did, then a new key appears because she a selfless act, so nuGert says goodbye to everyone, but the key disappears since new key equals new quest so nuGert screams I Hate Fairyland and that is how this second run ends, by the way did I mention that despite appearing in this issue Adult Gert has absolutely no speaking lines?

If you ask me, the only advantage Happy End Game has over Sadly Never After as a final volume of its respective run is that it has more time to set up its main antagonist.

The biggest problem with Happy end game for me is that it does nothing with Adult Gert, she is a glorified background character despite her technically being the entire reason Happy wants revenge.

TLDR: Getting rid of a core selling point of a continuation, making the original run retroactively pointless and having the flaws of the series now being more obvious since Skottie is no longer the artist. That's what went wrong.

>>150966421
He's saying for women sex is more of a psychological than physical experience. Ever wonder why men mostly goon to pictures and women goon to literature? Go look at romance novels, nigga

>>150960791 (OP)
what do you call the boyfailure/girlfailure type that's like the character seen in the 18 and life music video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghd2bkIadG4

They're both failures, but it's distinctly different

>>150985549
Have both sides tried compromising with power bottoms?

like the OP image and images ITT most of the girl failure Characters are OCs and memes.

>>150987572
I instantly fell in love with this girlfailure, she's just trying her best

>>150985549
I think this is just your fetish

>>150965779
No, it's because you're selfish

>>150960855
Trvth nvke

>>150977730
Having had an unkempt nerd girlfailure gf once before, what I found most attractive in her was that she was honest and straightforward in a way that most normies simply aren't.
Normoids are constantly engaged in some degree of performative social display that I find exhausting to have to deal with and would find unbearably obnoxious in a relationship.

>>150988465
>""""romance"""" novels

>>150960791 (OP)
Bart Simpson is a loser. People like you think the earth started to spin the moment they were born.

>>150986894
Yeah that's the point. That's why girlfailures are attractive, they're the "i can fix her" version of a tradwife. They'll still stay at home and be loyal to you, they just smell and don't housekeep.

>>150965868
From left to right
Alphys
Catty
Noelle
Susie

>>150991260
>They'll still stay at home and be loyal to you
bwahahahaha. In the digital era?

>>150971221
Simon taps that?

>>150991269
where are they going to go?

>>150971728
Wish fat women had this build instead of 7 layers of chins on their face

>>150991275
They don't need to go anywhere to be unloyal.

>>150973365
>>150979851
>Guy/girl failure is just Chad/Stacy but with unkept shirt

>>150975877
>>150975684
Nothing unrealistic about it, on the contrary its very realistic. She finally found a group of friends she belongs in and both her friends and her new-found self-esteem teach her to be less awkward. Human beings have a natural desire and proclivity to please people around them in real life conversations so learning how to behave in public and appear more self-confident and friendly than you really are comes naturally when you just get more exposed to social situations.

The reason why later chapters are less popular is because Tomoko became more of a normal person so the fanbase made of awkward self-pitying losers don't find her to be their soulmate anymore.

>>150991298
A good author would have ended it when the conflict was resolved.

>>150973365
This is lame and cowardly. Too pretty to be a failure.

>>150991300
Thats true, its the same problem as with romance novels and comics, they have to stretch the awkward romance situations as far as possible to a point of frustration because the moment the couple pairs up the story is over. Love hungry fujoshit hippos won't get their fix anymore.

>imagine a girl failure gf
>she would be a completet slut
>finally having a man to use
>use all my holes, fill me up, daddy
>sucks the soul out me, die a happy man

>actually get a girl failure gf
>she just lies on the bed and looks pathetic
>not in the mood at all
>she crawls away to her phone

>>150991345
I had an ex who was a sex addicted girl failure. Sex was great but the constant bipolar
>I love you
>I'm killing myself
>I want to be alone today.
>Skip the school come back or I throw your stuff from the window
-got tiresome. Its not worth it.

>>150991292
>That's the joke McBain.webm
Niggas say failure and mean unkempt, unwashed, Chad/Stacy with "subculture" habits like playing surface level vidya and surface level anime.

>>150967056
I got diagnosed at 24 and it helped me at least know solidly for sure what was up with me. Subconsciously i think i needed the solid answer, since i felt a huge relief after finding out.

>>150991345
That's what people don't understand

>>150991442
I got diagnosed for autism later in life because my older sister noticed her son who has autism acted a lot like me when I was younger. So she went through the trouble of finding a doctor to diagnose me. Well knowing I have it does explain a lot about myself. I think it also explains why I follow Chris Chan. At least, I know it could've a lot worse for me.

>>150966793
Girlfailures are very much real. You're just not lookin'

>>150974419
You're a clown

>>150974610
it doesn't

>>150991742
just looks like the chud meme with long hair

>>150960791 (OP)
Literally me

>>150991320
Yeah see this is one of the things I think the Slayers anime did really well. Lina and Gourry "got together" by the end of the second season more or less, but they're allowed to STAY together because the actual story isn't entirely about them getting together.

>>150960791 (OP)
Cute

>>150991742
Where does one even look?
>>150991867
We've come to the conclusion that Chud actually makes a very cute girl.

>>150993250
>Where does one even look?
chad's house probably.

>We've come to the conclusion that Chud actually makes a very cute girl.
>when you turn men into women they're then attractive to straight men
fucking genius over here.

>>150993274
But if she's at chad's house, can you really call her a failure?

>>150993284
femcels can get sex just not relationships. that's the point. chad calls them up for easy sex.

>>150993298
but that's not celibate at all.

>>150993309
women call men in relationships incels too anon. the words have lost all meaning. femcel basically means "can't get a man to commit".

>>150993321
Isn't that literally the most common complaint about dating from everyone ever for the last couple thousand years?

>>150993454
the point is the men who would commit are not the same men women want to have sex with.

>>150993454
Just since the sexual revolution

>>150962746
Kek this and the hello kitty girls
Men are better off falling from a CLIFF

>>150988534

>tequila in his heartbeat
>his veins burnt gasoline

are loser characters often depicted as on drugs?

>>150975795
>"step on my face"
>4'11
>slapping
nah
>you're too nervous to order?
clashes with the rest of this image

>>150983866
Is that Scott The Woz?

>>150960791 (OP)
bully them into being normal

>>150986822
I think some aspire to that, for the sake of having some sense of normalcy and direction, but are incapable of actually being "trad" because they're unable to run a household any better than they can run their own lives.

>>150986822
*tardwife

>>150990541
she deserves to be lovingly eaten out while she bitches about work and her inability to sleep more than 5 hours a night.

>>150960791 (OP)
Because Millennials and Zoomers are two generations of depressed losers locked out of the capitalist dream, so naturally they relate to characters who are in a similar position.

>>150988465
>Go look at romance novels, nigga
or even just fanfiction, it's not too far off

>>150993511
The men that would commit to them you mean.
WAY to many women going after and cheating with men in committed relationships for that to be true.

>>150991265
kek I wish there was a Dashr U edit of them being the Deltarune characters. I'm a little surprised it doesn't exist already.

>>150991279
Gwen is good

>>150993803
>hello kitty girls
https://youtu.be/GB3sRlmTt9Q?si=9vf7My7cJLWdN24P

>>150960791 (OP)
I deal with this, but in JP X.

>>150993617
hmm

>>150995478
Yeah but do modern men even WANT a woman running their household, really? Like maybe i put that thing there for a reason.

>>150995832
rather not have my house getting fucked up

>>150995832
unironically my life has improved dramatically since I got divorced and I don't even want a new relationship, for like three full years I thought that feeling was cope but now it's been five and I don't even miss having a warm body in bed with me, being able to sprawl out and keep my own schedule is unironically superior and women offer literally nothing of value to me that is even remotely worth the effort

>>150996187
Yeah this has nothing to do with the fact that your wife turned you gay.

>>150996331
Oh not at all, I'm still very much straight, I just can't bother with any of that shit anymore and no longer pursuing it has genuinely improved my life

>>150995549
I love her so muchhh

>>150995832
I think some would like essentially someone running their house like their mom but that they could have sex with, which is part of the trad fantasy. But not everyone is prepared for the downsides or the expectations of the male in a trad type of relationship.

>>150997923
nah, they don't need that much free time, they need to get a job and contribute. Appliances have made keeping the home easy enough for one person to do, even with a full-time job. The only reason to be in a relationship is to help pay bills.

>>150998333
The dual income household is an abomination. It's just another way the rich bourgeois treat us like chattel.

>>150998390
Good point, we can stand on principle and starve.

It is kind of bananas how much dual income increased the amount of money the fed government makes. And now the economy is so bad a one income household can't survive

>>150999818
Hm yes, the federal government was surely the one to benefit.

>>150999758
Why would man want a bitch like this?

>>151000891
At best desperation, at worst angry boner.

>>151000891
Because I find her hot faggot.

>>150967650
suffering builds character only if its not self-inflicted
being a self-despising manfailure neet for 10 years won't temper you into a normal human
self-evidently

>>150979256
>AGP post in the wild

>>150996187
Glad more people are realizing that being in a relationship isn't for everyone, and unless the other person actually adds positives to your life then it isn't worth the hassle even if you want one. Usually I only see women making posts like this, so it spreading to other demographics is promising.

So do I have to stalk random chicks at a local library/bookstore or lurk in fandom discords for a naive barely legal high schooler shutin for a chance to get with someone like this

>>151001776
ew

>>151001787
And by "ew" you mean "easy win" so that's a yes right?

>>151001827
ur gross

>>151001832
thanks babe, I try

>>151001887
stop trying

>>150973452
>>150973787
remind me of picrel