Thread 150980841

>Movie to TV Show adaption always focuses on the prequel and everyone being inexperienced rookies and losers
Stop that, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apsm_LcBdcw

>Animation so bad every car chase has to be a static shot
>Every character stands still like it's a cheap Hannah Barbera production
>Rather than make up for the lack of action the dialogue is equally immature and unengaging.
>The arm flaps aren't even animated, they just cut to pose instantly.

>Wolf sounds like little Timmy
>Webs sounds like the cafeteria lady


>We are going to steal video game cabinets, roflmao!
No, executive writer who eats glue for breakfast and stares at paint dry on the wall ... you're not into video games and if you are then people who watch badass Lupin the 3rd & Batman do not want to see Batman eating nachos and gushing over "muh video game /x/ meme about kids shitting their pants while getting addicted to video games"

>Stealing it is going to get our name out there
No criminal wants to get their name out there unless they plan on becoming Napoleon Hitler.
They just want the money and to retire early and to not have to work jobs... what's so hard to understand?

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Huh this place really is filled with bots.

>>150980841 (OP)
>>150980954
>>150981755
Zero replies because fans of the movies all know the show is going to be babyfood and it won't even have Diane because it's a prequel. Even by Dreamworks TV standards the animation is very cheap looking. I feel like they must have went with keyposes only as a "stylistic choice" to try and compensate for it being limited animation, because it looks even worse than the usual floaty limb syndrome we see in cheap 3D cartoons. They could have done a lot better if they had just spent a tiny bit more money but alas, this is Dreamworks. They may be ahead of Disney when it comes to movie production these days but they are still way behind when it comes to TV animation quality.

>>150980841 (OP)
Well they can't set it after the movie because they're good guys now, whoops!!!

>>150980841 (OP)
>awful fart joke immediately

Oh my god fuck you guys for letting this shit get a sequel. (by "you guys" i mean "the human race")

>>150981874
A sign indicating that Dreamworks, was never built for mastering in TV productions without the art style going from high quality film style to some third world sweatshop garbage. 2D should've been an option if they gonna cheapen the quality of every IP that they make films out of. The series being a prequel sans Diane (and possibly Misty, which hopefully she make an appearance, given by her long history on trying to bust the Bad Guys) is a death sentence for the series.

>>150982321
A 2D show could have been really stylish and done on a modest budget. 2D is not necessarily always cheaper than 3D (Tangled was basically a loss leader for Disney), but I think 2D puppets would for the most part be of acceptable quality and would be similarly priced for the studio. Plus, 2D puppet animation allows for some frame by frame animation when creating puppet assets is not practical. So that means we might be seeing the worst case scenario, that DreamWorks went with cheap 3D not because 3D has higher marquee value, but because it was even cheaper than 2D animation.

They had better introduce some new furry waifus to make up for Diane and Kitty not being in it.

The timeline on this show seems to be in conflict with the movies' canon, probably because it started preproduction before the first movie was in theaters. The second movie shows Webs as a teenager doing her first job with The Bad Guys, and the goal of heist was to get Mr. Wolf's car. They have some other random car in the cartoon series and webs is already part of the team, and with all of them being rookies it doesn't really make sense. In the second movie, they were all established career criminals except for webs, who they had just recruited.

I get that these things get locked in pretty early but if Dreamworks TV actually gave a shit they could have tweaked it with a few minor rewrites. Also, doing the show as a prequel was the perfect excuse to have more of Mr. Wolf's iconic car, but they probably wanted an open top convertable because staging scenes around a closed top car required too much creativity and model fexibility for the show's production (Shark barely fits in the back of the car in the movies which is a source of comedy). The easy solution if that was a problem would just be to make the car a hard top convertable, which would easily fit the existing design without anyone asking questions.

>>150984337
And the show production had ended in 2023. It took four years to announce the series

>>150984734
It seems like a kind of bizarre production timeline but weirdly that is within character for Dreamworks. They did Kung Fu Panda Legends of Awesomeness, which came out after Kung Fu Panda 2 but had to take place between the first and second movies and therefore couldn't build off of any of the character development from the second movie. Then that one got mothballed when Dreamworks and Nickelodeon's partnership ended and the final episodes (or "third season") barely came out, and you'd only see them if you caught the show in syndication on whatever random local station might be carrying it. And of course, then they made a completely different show on Netflix years later, from the partnership deal Dreamworks made with Netflix before Universal bought them out. Whether or not it was better or worse than LOA is... a subject for debate.

I would hazard a guess that the Bad Guys cartoon series is part of that deal Dreamworks made with Netflix that still hasn't expired, which is why all the low-budget, made-for-TV Dreamworks content is on Netflix, while the movies are on Peacock Premium. If by some stroke of luck The Bad Guys 3 is a huge hit and ends up propelling the IP to new heights, there's an outside possibility that it makes Universal want to revisit the idea of The Bad Guys on the small screen after Dreamworks' deal with Netflix expires. But just like with Kung Fu Panda I would be dubious as to whether or not the idea would be better or worse on its second go. After all, Dreamworks has done some small screen content for Peacock like Megamind 2, and that is arguably the worst piece of spinoff media they've done for any of their IPs.

A rare example where Dreamworks got it right was with Dragon Riders. It was coordinated with the movie people so that the show could actually move the story along and fill in gaps between the films, so that if you watched the show you were rewarded by seeing how it connects the movies together.

>>150984734
It’s funny how the long devtime is obvious by the fact that it’s premise is already contradicted by the flashback in the second movie

>>150982750
2D will always be cheaper than 3D
because you don't have to rely on render farms and modelers riggers texture painters and all that junk
the only thing that's cheaper is skilled work because you don't need to know how to draw these characters when you can just reuse models

>>150984337
>>150985936
It's odd, it reminds me a bit of how Disney would do cartoon spinoffs of their movies, and once in a while there'd be some weird continuity contradiction just because the writers figured kids weren't playing that close attention. And like, Timone and Pumba was basically one big shitpost of a show that was meant to compete against stuff like Animaniacs, and continuity was basically the last thing the creators were thinking about. I guess modern kids get to experience the same kind of chaos now that it's common for an IP to spread across the big and small screens again.

The Tron Uprising prequel stuff was even more retarded because you already know they lose.
And the way they lose isn't even interesting because "the newbie" constantly gets shit on for not being Batman/Tron and the show revels in making the villains OP pieces of shits who aren't allowed to die yet every other friendly allied "program" that does gets killed on screen immediately or there's some antihero that kills a secondary character that had just revealed he's working for Tron or even that 1 character that gets saved in the first few episodes comes back near the end of the series to get evilified and killed. Really depressing ass series that makes Batman Beyond look like a happy show.
And to add salt to injury you don't even get the finale to see exactly how Clu curbstomps the protagonists, turn Tron into Rinzler and who the fuck sends the message to Flynn's son. Also Flynn is nowhere toe be seen in the series outside of that same flashback that played in the movie. It also got a bunch of its budget cut off. The fact it wasn't a complete slideshow and was a decent 6/10 that was like a weaker brother to Batman Beyond was a miracle. Same for Tangled, but that already started from a crappy movie. I'm surprised Frozen didn't get a TV series.

>>150980841 (OP)
TV show Rico was better than Movie Rico

>>150980841 (OP)
But The Penguins of Madagascar was a Sequel...

>>150986003
Well, there is still a lot of rigging invovled with modern TV animation, but it's a different process to 3D. The on-screen characters of today's cartoons are usually made up of a bunch of different 2D assets that are rigged together in Toonboom Animate so that they have to draw as few unique frames as possible, although the catch is that it gets more expensive any time they need to change something, like showing the character with a significantly different costume or a a facial expression that's off model. They usually save those kinds of shots for the punctuation moments of each scene and then use the puppet rigs for everything in between.

Example of where things went a bit poorly in that regard: the Hulu Animaniacs series was done much cheaper than the original show, and it was all done with puppet rigs. That's why most of the cast was missing, they had to make puppet rigs for each character, whereas if it had been done frame by frame animation like the original they could have had as many characters as they wanted with only a minor cost increase. Just like with 3D, 2D puppet animation has a high initial cost per character but a low overall cost if the puppets get used in every episode, whereas 2D has a low initial startup cost but the cumulative cost the same over every episode, which makes it more expensive in the long run. Puppet rig animation basically incentivizes the production to focus on a small cast of characters in a world of easily remixed "NPC" characters, like The Simpsons and Family Guy. A show about anthropomorphic animals going on a journey through a world full of unique looking animal species is basically the last thing you'd want to try to do with puppet rigs versus frame by fame, though.

>>150985786
According to one of the executive producers of the Bad Guys TV Series, the BG movie people gave them some guidance during the production of the show.

>"It's been such a pleasure making this show, especially with having the film team (director Pierre Perifel, co-director JP Sans, and producer Damon Ross) nearby to give us their guidance.
https://collider.com/the-bad-guys-breaking-in-trailer/

>>150986017
It seems like it would be easier to just not care about that but a lot of them seem to be really invested in having the air of being connected with movies that will never actually acknowledge them.
Hence why it's so popular to make them prequels, so there's less chance for any contradiction, all you gotta do is write a finale that cleans up after itself and removes all the original content to explain why it never comes up in the movie.

>>150984198
the puss in boots series did it so i don't see why not

>>150984734
Wow this show must be really, really good if they didn't bother releasing it for four years!

>>150980841 (OP)
I hate this so much

>>150980841 (OP)
>The Bad Guy
I see at least five of them in that trailer, though...

>>150987311
It don't look good. Hopefully it keeps kids interested in the IP between movies at least, though.

Universal was stupid not putting the first movie on Netflix and HBO Max to build up hype for Bad Guys 3, though. Having the first movie doe the modern equivalent of the cable tour leading up to the sequel would do way more to strengthen the brand than a low-budget kiddy cartoon. Maybe by the time third movie rolls around they'll have learned.

at least it looks better than the Christmas special...
...right guys?

>>150980841 (OP)
This looks bad, guys.

>>150989358
It does, but that's a low bar to hurdle over. Just like the specials the writing is much more childish than the movies, and even though the render quality looks better then the specials the animation itself looks about the same.

Well on the bright side, maybe it'll keep kids interested enough for the third movie...?

The budget is shit because the bad guys stole it.

>>150989667
they're clearly the ones making the show it's a money laundering scheme

>>150989648
Hopefully. That might be why they waited so long before releasing it, and only released the specials between the first two movies.

>>150989723
I really want Bad Guys to succeed, bros. Been a while since I liked something even if its technically kids media.

>>150989748
It hasn't gotten the recognition as some of Dreamworks' other IPs but it's got a passionate fandom, and the movies are profitable enough to keep the series going. If Universal would push harder to make people notice it, it could be an IP that pulls $500m per movie, but that's up to them. I think the IP has a lot of room to grow if they get serious about that.

>>150980841 (OP)
If NBCUniversal weren't so cheap, we could've gotten a 2D Bad Guys series that harkens back to one of Perifel's key inspirations: Lupin III

Just shut it all down

>>150980841 (OP)
awful

>>150990705
for (You)

>>150990035
Indeed