Thread 150989009

>>150989009 (OP)
Norman has a higher body count than me…

>>150989009 (OP)
And also one of the biggest assholes. Great character

>>150989009 (OP)
It's amazing how much he falls off as a villain just by climbing into the stupid costume. He's a far, far better villain simply as Norman then he ever can be as a Wacky flying Halloween freak.

>>150989009 (OP)
I like carnage just a smidge better but hes my second favorite

>>150989009 (OP)
He’s a hero last time I checked. Defending NYC from turds like Hobgoblin and Tombstone.
The Spider-Man we need!

>>150991142
My issue with Carnage is he just mismatched as a villain. His power levels and effects fit a Spider-man villain but his personality isn't anything that compliment Spidey. Most of Spiey's rouge gallery is down on luck villains, and/or one's personally tied to him. Carnage hits none of those, he just likes to kill cause he's crazy, even when they retro fitted he had mommy/daddy issues it didn't really do much to make him work any better as a Spidey foe. I think he work well as a Wolverine villain due to snik bub having a closer understanding of how easy it be just to go feral and kill for fun, but I'm unsure if Carnage's power set and style would translate over.

>>150991224
I like carnage because he is such an edgelord character and i think its good for spider man to have a unique character where there is no motive other then a desire to kill or have no tragic back story to try and make them sympathetic. Carnages lack of sympathy is why i adore him in a way besides just looking cool as fuck

>>150989009 (OP)
The only correct answer for 4chan

>>150991231
I hear you but he already had that prior to Carnage, such as Sin Eater, Kraven the Hunter, Chameleon, etc. If anything Big C was a bit lazy ridding on rule of cool design and little else.

>>150989009 (OP)
Why does Spidey have such a great rogues gallery? It easily outclasses all other marvel characters. Hell the only superhero with a better set of Villains is Batman.

>>150991334
anon >>150991224 hits some of it with how much of it is all in the family with him such as GG being his best friends dad, Lizard was his teacher, but it's also how thematic it stayed with many his enemies being animals too like Rhino, Doc Ock, and Vulture.
The big thing however was most the enemies stayed within his power level of being street threats, this is a big advantage Spider-man and Bat-man have is where they are street rime heroes first and foremost it's hard for their rouge gallery to be grand world ending threats so the writers have to get much more creative with villains motives and why they are acting as they are. Thus they hold in people's minds more because a story about the hero struggling over he fact he has to fight a mentally ill friend and balance between saving them and saving others sticks better than you have to stop the cosmic baddie wanting to take over earth.

>>150991312
Carnage is pure like the Joker, no ulterior motives. Spiderman needs someone like that

>>150991367
>Spiderman needs someone like that
Again, I argue he had several like that, who development much more interestingly. Carnage is not unique in his behavior, it's just boring, outside of how he looks, which is what holds him up. He's basically Vermin, right down to the same mommy/daddy issues, it's just a giant rat monster that kills and eats people for fun doesn't look as cool as Venom but if he was made of blood, it's likely the only reason Carnage out lived the at least four other attempts of making Spiderman have an edge villain that just likes killing, kids look at Carnage and went "coool"

Paul is the only villain. Everyone else is someone else's villain.. Spider-Man has no one else. If anyone suggests otherwise they're wrong and tormenting themselves.

>>150991365
Street level villains are just better and cooler then world ending generic baddies who almost always feel so bland. Especially alot of cosmic villains
>>150991403
>>150991312
His design is kino but i also think being as edgy as he is makes him appealing to me. I also just really like serial killers si theres that too

>>150990587
He's allowed to have hobbies, anon.

>>150989009 (OP)
I'm a newfag has he always had that weird ass hair? What even is it? Nigga waves but for 45 year-old white millionaire?

>>150991142
I used to like him but after reading some of the modern upgrades he has I can't help but feel everything I liked about him is gone.

>>150991770
>millionaire
Bah. His estimated net worth is about $12 billion USD.

Also, Behold the chester.

>>150989009 (OP)
I think Otto is Peter's best villain, but Norman is explicitly the top dog and a force of nature. It actually makes Otto better that he has/had to deal with the Goblin fucking up everything, and seethe over the fact that: while he might be smarter than Norman, the gap isn't wide enough for it to actually matter, and he's so much more successful in so many other ways, specifically fields that Otto has failed in as well

>>150991884
I saw his net worth was around $250 billion and that it’d probably be higher if he didn’t keep torching cash on Spidey projects

>>150991923
>Otto vs Norman
>nerd rage meets varsity psycho.
I like Norman more, but that is exactly why I appreciated their interaction in YFNSM. Otto may be smarter, but that doesn't mean much when Norman's success reaches across so many fields and endures far longer. Otto lives in a world shaped by Norman, and even though they rarely meet directly, that influence builds a bitterness that adds depth to their conflict. The battle is defined by legacy, and like him or hate him, in ASM, Norman's legacy is inarguably the one that stands above the rest.

>>150989009 (OP)
That's not Big Wheel

Paul is gonna be revealed as Torment is this the current decision for Marvel to make?

>>150992479
A bit too on the nose considering they did that with Spine-Tingling Spider-Man

>>150992490
That came out years before

>>150992568
it literally finished last year.

>>150992658
I'm sorry you were beaten by facts and logic.

>>150992646
Spine tingling came out years before the Wells run on a mobile app. There was a continuation that had nothing to do with either

>>150992666
Why would Muse go after Peter Parker?
Did he make a deal with the devil that caused Muse's anguish?

>>150992670
Everywhere I check it shows Spine-Tingling came out in '23 a year after Wells' run and that lines up with the contents of the story

>>150992013
I’m watching the new Iron Man book with cautious optimism because Norman’s involved, and that (should) mean Tony’s going to act up. Their petty back-and-forth was hilarious, and I’m tired of getting on the occasional Oscorp Easter egg or Tony’s occasional smug little comments about how his company is the better investment. He claims Oscorp passed his once, and he’s not too mature to brag his is considered seen as the gold standard. It’s not hard to beat a company run by a goblin-themed terrorist, but Tony treats it like a personal victory when Norman's involved. I don’t care if Norman’s on a redemption arc. I need the writer to let them stay petty. Let them bicker. Let them compete. Let them be ridiculous.

You can tell how many comics someone's read based on the answer

>>150993008
They way he had the gangs and corpos shook was great but then it leads to the first gangland wars which was a too long reset to status quo for Kingpin to be back on top

>>150991237
I must be seeing double!

>150989009
>fucks mysterio

>>150989009 (OP)
Why did you put the new Spider-Man as the best Spidey villain?!

>>150991237
Wtf? Joss Whedon's dad wrote comics?
>looks it up
Ah he wrote for the Electric Company and yeah I forgot Spoiler was from that. Surprised Joss didn't reference that at all.
>>150991403
Isn't it more like, "what if Vermin wasn't scared?" I dunno that's compelling to me in the sense that Carnage is ongoing unlike Vermin and Sin-Eater and also doesn't have any connection to obsessing about Spider-Man. He simply targets anyone except Venom which is special to him. Makes him unpredictable, powerful, and more of a force than character. It's just Carnage also has flavor/personality by being an even more twisted version of Spider-Man who cracks wise while gutting people. Venom did that but Carnage is more overly delighted. That helps in a moment to moment way but Carnage is moreso just a major threat Spider-Man has to be more cautious and decisive about, at the same time. It's another way to push him to the limit and Spidey can't just capitalize on relationships, psychology, or some other more typical answer to stopping a villain. Spidey has to simply be more ruthless, diligent, and tenacious to get past. That's why Carnage should be used more sparingly and they kinda have...for a while.

>>150989009 (OP)
The best Spidey villain is Peter Parker.

>>150993734
An anon without tastes, it seems.

>>150993320
Spider-variants are the enemy.

>>150991403
Carnage doesn't just kill for fun. It's about taking delight in not just the death of a person but to sew madness into everyday life. Burning buildings, shrieks of terror, anarchy and disarray taken to the most destructive of levels. Which is a fine foil to Spider-Man because chaos is the last thing he wants to worry about in his life

>>150992949
Norman's ability to get into petty squabbles with literally everyone everyone in sight might as well be listed on his Marvel fandom resume under “powers.”

>>150992949
Norman's ability to get into petty squabbles with literally everyone everyone in sight might as well be listed on his Marvel fandom resume under “powers.”

>>150989009 (OP)
>The Best Spidey Villain
Makes a deal with mephisto to get power in exchange for his son's soul harry that juast makes him a scumbag and a bad father not a real Villain

>>150995301
>>150995312
Has to kill a innocent person for mephisto in order to obtain power still think norman makes a good Villain retard?

Gets tricked by harry into making think he fucked Gwen but in reality he banged mysterio what a genius huh

>>150989009 (OP)
That's not jackal

Is unable to tell that gabriel and sarah were just clones you are a fucking idiot norman.

Here we have the TRUE best spider-man Villain thanks to him Peter and MJ were never married since he undid it

Maybe not the best Spidey Villain but he is definitely the most memorable here he is now the one who got MJ to leave peter forever our friend paul.

>>150993270
in a way he did really>>150995349

>>150991334
FF's enemies are good too.

>>150989009 (OP)
Venom is better spider-man villain.

>>150995722
I can name probably a dozen spiderman villains, I can't even name 5 FF villains. Who even is there besides Doom, Galactus, and I guess Silver Surfer?

>>150995312
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this story. First of all, it hinges on another story where Norman did something completely out of character. There is no way that karen, who is somehow both neglectful and a possessive helicopter parent, would ever sacrifice Harry. Memory loss or not, Norman treats Harold Theopolis Osborn like his personal brand. Not even Harry gets a say. He cares more about legacy than his entire company and he’s arrogant enough to believe he could make money some other way if he had to. That part makes no sense. On the other hand, I hate that Mephisto is involved again, but Norman tossing some poor employee to the knife and getting cozy with demonic nonsense is exactly the kind of crap he lives for. He eats that up. So yes, it’s weird shit, but it’s his kind of weird shit.

>>150996101
they basically spear-headed all the early villains and events
>Namor
>Blastaar
>Terrax
>Maximus
>Kang being Reed's father / future brother/cousin

>>150993008
You can tell exactly when someone started reading Spider-Man if they think that guy was anything but a placeholder Big Bad. He'll never reach the heights of Norman or Otto because he's the Nothing Personnel, Kid of Spider-Man villains.

>>150995349
>but in reality he banged mysterio
Your Mexican memes are not reality, you Gwenschizo.

>>150995362
>believing everything a cursed AI told you

>>150996562
>Namor: I only know of him as a water based male poison poison Ivy without mind control pheromones but very into ntr and Sue Storm.
>No idea
>No idea
>Is Maximus an inhuman? If so I know him as a really annoying character to go up against if the player has him in combo with a few other types.
>Kang is what? I know who he is because of Marvel puzzle quest again but that sounds mighty consulted and traumatic for Reed.
I also know Molecule man through the occasional crossover with Spider-Man characters and Mole man through USM in addition to the very well known ones listed here >>150996101

>>150997142
>>150996101
*sigh*

>>150995389
>>150995411
These characters are a sign that the villain writing for Spider-Man has gone downhill in favor of outsourcing to Poland and Germany. There will be a price to pay here since Trump is going to tariff outsourcing so we'll see.

>>150997288
You just call it a tax when it's not on an import. We'll see how much his big business buddies like that.

>>150997348
Why would someone who is prepared against a back to back record breaking gov shutdown be friends with people who steal jobs from Americans?

>>150997288
>>150997381
Oh great more sabotaging the economy because hes a fucking idiot. Cant he just die already?

>>150997741
After you for sucking up the current way of electing president candidates.

>>150997762
What? That doesnt even make sense you magatard

>>150997863
You're draft dodger, female prez voter.

>>150997879
>draft dodger
Based, fuck the military and fuck you

>>150997949
Who tells you to vote a female prez to dodge draft?

>>150997183
I am not reading Fantastic Four. I like the four well enough but nothing is worth putting up with Reed and Sue's children.

>>150996232
I enjoyed that Norman was clearly torn, and the writer and artist did a fabulous job showing that tension. He’s conflicted, yet fully committed to the path he’s chosen. The flashbacks of Emily holding baby Harry were almost haunting. They remind readers that Norman once had love in his life, that he wasn’t always this fucked up. Which makes what follows even more twisted. He seriously thought about blowing a hole through a wall just to reach an employee who never wronged him and kill him in front of bro's wife and kids and the worst part is he nearly went through with it. One toss and an innocent mother and her two babies would’ve been scarred forever. He barely stopped himself, and that’s terrifying.

>>150998732
Valeria is a very recent thing and Franklin for a long time is kid background character.
You can ready tons of story withour them around.

>>150989009 (OP)
I don't understand why they still draw his hair with tire marks, it's goofy.

>>150997288
>>150997741
retards

Fantastic fours have many cool villains. The problem is that in their story the major focus is the adventure.
In Spiderman the setting is always New York so the writer's focus is in the enemy of the week.
In FF the setting change every story in a Doctor Who style from New York, space, alien planets, negative zone, different timelines etc so cooler villains are mixed with other that simply exists to fill the wacky plot of the issue.
In other cases, the villains are meh because the issue's purpose is introduce characters that will be new heroes in other comics. See the Inhumans, Black Panther or Adam Warlock (HIM).

>>150999438
* Read

>>150999604
>just ignore the groundwork in my own source

>>150999009
Green Goblin: oh my god yes. let us finally and unapologetically dismantle that pitiful husk of a creature with the full force of our righteous fury. i want every trembling bystander to witness the spectacle and carry the memory like a curse etched into their fragile minds.
Ditko/Modern Norman: no. absolutely not. there are way too many goddamn eyes on us right now. what the actual hell is wrong with you. do you have a single functioning neuron left or did you decide to free-fall into idiocy today.
This Norman/Romita Norman: I gotta admit, fellas, this fills me with considerable discomfort. Let's proceed with the dirty deed swiftly and with utmost discretion. I would prefer there be no witnesses. Especially not my son. He must remain unaware. This is imperative.

>>150989009 (OP)
fuck the retarded faggot who made the thread trashing norman. he made all these parallels to all the villains to peter and he overlooked the most obvious parallel norman has to peter. norman is the first SUPER villain to have a double life just like peter and we get to know his civilian life and how it contrasts to his masked persona just like peter. no other villain in the comic at the time had that. and no frederick foswell doesnt count he didnt have super powers and wasnt a true villain

>>151001150
People love to throw out spicy takes about Norman Osborn. Doesn't stop them from being wrong. Sure, maybe he doesn’t work for everyone and it’s fair to say he's done and said things that make him a polarizing figure. However, writing him off as a lackluster villain just doesn't hold up. At the very least, he's a solid antagonist.

>>150996232
>Norman tossing some poor employee to the knife and getting cozy with demonic nonsense is exactly the kind of crap he lives for.
In the Torn #1 storytime, I said I wanted Evangeline to be secretly working for Norman to retrieve an evil book. With Norman showing up in issue #5, it looks like that twist might be closer to coming together. Boys don’t want girlfriends. They want evil tomes that turn girls into monsters.

A lot of this thread reads like bots.
Very bad, barely coherent bots.