Thread 150994938

Hey /co/ give me some writing advice will ya?

>>150994938 (OP)
Write what you know.

>>150994938 (OP)
Don't treat "being subtle" or "being blunt" as opposites and use them as tools that compliments to each other and for whatever scene you are writing at the moment, sometimes shit needs to be subtle other times it can be blunt as fuck, specially if you got a message you want the retarded audience watching to "get" or at least understand that's the driving force behind whatever works you are doing.

>>150994988
Isn't that crux of writing itself? That kinda advice is basically saying to git gud at writing.

>>150994938 (OP)
kill your darlings

>>150994979
please tell there's a cover out there with all these things in it

>>150994938 (OP)
Always plan if the story demands it such as a detective mystery episode unless you want to be like those poorly done cartoon writers who forget their characters motivations 5 minutes ago and pull off some retarded excuse twist like "I was menacingly carrying this knife to give you a piece of cake, lol, not to stab you with it."

Do you know when to write balls to the walls improvisation? sex scenes! scenes that have nothing to do with the plot. Out of order scenes>

Always write a summary and organize your events.
Write a bunch of summaries/events so you can mix and match and remove and replace them accordingly instead of being stuck on 1 plot or 1 scene that doesn't work.
Don't write just 1 skeleton for the story, write 7 skeletons for the same story, figure out how each scene connects together without requiring a total rewrite of each scene and figure out the fillings later.

>>150995005
Not really, like just think what is your scene suppose to be, is it your main guy in a heated argument with the antagonist/some other dude? I think it's fine if you are blunt with the writing, make it clear what your guy believes or at least give a guide line of the thought process behind him so you can "corrupt it" if you wanna write some fall from grace thing. You have a guy that's getting depressed or falling for someone? Then make it subtle if you want, like a slowburn thing and stuff.
Kinda like the songs "The Ventriloquist" by Ruby Throat and "Points of Authority" by Linkin Park, both songs talk about being used by someone and getting hurt but one is more somber subtle and the other is more explosive and blunt with the message, both work for different people and audience.

Just have life experience, its that simple in terms of putting it together. Its something modern young men dont have, majority of them. Its not an attack on you OP, but its the fundamental rule of life itself, is that you need to experience it to truly translate it into written works in various and unique ways. Besides that, you only have child`s imagination, but thats not always the answer to "good writing".

Whatever you feel personally about anything is the law and everybody will agree with you or they're stupid

>>150994938 (OP)
Actually write.
Don't fall for the 'eternal planning' pitfal. It's cool to have an outline and an idea of what you want to do, and even some key moments set in stone you want to have, but at the end of the day, the outline is not the story. So don't be afraid to come up with stuff as the story develops.
Golden Age Berserk was written mostly as it was being published and we all know the general opinion of that arc.
You might also want to write 'lesser' works first to get a feel of what you want to do. Try writing short stories or oneshots befores tackling whatever masterpiece you want to make.
And obviously, interact with the stories you like. Analyze them, disect them, find out what makes them great for you. A teacher once told me that a great writer is usually a great reader too, so yeah.
>Tldr
Actually write.

>>150995128
>Modern writing in a nuttshell.

>>150994938 (OP)
Read picrel and every other instructional book by this guy.
And like this book discusses, know the midpoint of your story. The midpoint *is* the story. The midpoint is the movie poster.

>>150995062
The man knew what he was doing.

>>150994938 (OP)
Who's the blonde?

>>150994938 (OP)
No matter how bad your story is, I will read it if you tease that the two characters might fuck down the line

Apparently the best advice is "don't ask for writing advice on /co/, the jannies will nuke it for no reason"

>>150995205
some Dr Who character

>>150995117
What different life experiences did George Lucas and his wife have that his wife ended up writing far better than him and George still writes like a mentally challenged manchild that treats everyone like a stupid 8 year old child?

>>150994938 (OP)
Avoid big walls of texto, comics are a visual medium first and literary second.

>>150995326
What stories did his wife write?

>>150995203
Fucking beautiful

>>150995117
>Just have life experience
You can have all the life experience in the world and your script can still end up garbage. Writing is a skill that needs to be practiced and studied.

>>150994938 (OP)
Shut up. Leave. Go write.

>>150995117
>Go outside
>Country is a degenerating shithole
>Plandemic has stunted many young people to the point of near retardation
>Friendships are getting rarer and rarer
>People barely go outside anymore, prefer to text nonstop
>Social gatherings are full of boomers and Xers
There is no life to experience anymore. Plus, most modern renowned writers are sheltered rich kids from Harvard

>>150995350
The first 3 Star Wars movies.

>>150995192
>Read picrel and every other instructional book by this guy.
hrm?

>>150994938 (OP)
Ignore this shit >>150995117
The best stories come from hermit weirdos

>>150995466
All Marcia did was help edit the first and third Star Wars movie. She didn't do any rewrites to any of the scripts and had nothing to do with Empire Strikes back. The Whole Marcia saved Star Wars in the edit is a bullshit narrative people came up with because they don't want to give George credit for writing and directing a Star Wars movie they like. Hell George was the one who saw that John Jympson was doing a shit job, so he got his wife, Richard Chew, and Paul Hirsch to edit it to his liking. Like people forget George worked with the editors, and got final say to any edits the film went through.

>>150995466
Marcia only edited the first movie.
Leigh Brackett might potentially have been a ghost writer for the first movie, and might have written material that was used as a foundation for the rest of the movies after ESB.

>>150994938 (OP)
Do the opposite of every modern show. Keep the dialogue terse. Eschew interpersonal melodrama. Respect continuity and consistency instead of demanding the audience consume dadaist nonsense without critique. Ensure your characters have photogenic designs. Take your work seriously rather than fill it with subversive unfunny insecure humor.

What's the best AI for writing and how do you teach your LLM to stop writing that retarded purple prose that's very typical of AI?

>>150995162
>Don't fall for the 'eternal planning' pitfal. It's cool to have an outline and an idea of what you want to do, and even some key moments set in stone you want to have, but at the end of the day, the outline is not the story.
But I hate what I wrote three chapters into the story, and I feel angry that I even put them online in the first place, and now I can't go back and fix the direction, so I give up on the plan.

If I don't plan for every single turn and twist of the story I'm inevitably disgusted with what I make and burned out of wanting to finish it. I have to plan, or it will all go to shit.

>>150994938 (OP)
Insert your barely disguised fetishes into everything. The more subtle, the better.

>>150996015
maybe try writing something with a smaller scale? a short story

>>150994938 (OP)
The secret ingredient to a compelling story is contrast.
If you want the impact of a place being abandoned to really hit the audience, first show it, or a similar place, being lively and packed with people. If you want to emphasize how mechanical and lifeless a location is, first show a place that’s filled with plant life. If you want to have a character’s fall from grace hit the audience, show them being noble and heroic first.
You need a baseline to start from in order for the audience to really understand the gravity of what’s changed.

>>150996015
Write nonlinear then.

>>150996051
I can't think of anything short to write about.
>>150996171
Don't those REALLY need plans? Dark didn't have one and that mess went to pot really quick.

The best advice I can give you is to read stories you want to write and see how you can improve on existing stories because hindsight is 20/20. Most people suck at writing cause they start ignoring their own advice and get lost what they're supposed to do. Editing stories by removing and adding existing scenes and characters is the easiest way to do it even if it's cheapskate , gimmicky and fanfiction as shit ... that's why you read A LOT and strip off the atmosphere and structure separately and see how they fit in with your own characters and story that's similar to what you read.

>>150994938 (OP)
Be honest about your premise. Don't try to trick your audience with a cool premise only to sideline it for the sake of interpersonal drama.
Also don't try to mock your audience unless you're making something like South Park.

>>150995074
Do you happen to be into Deltarune or am I crazy? Because the knife thing happened there almost beat by beat.

>>150996507
>Do you happen to be into Deltarune or am I crazy? Because the knife thing happened there almost beat by beat.
No Zoomer, we all just had a childhood watching cartoons and recognize cliches as old as father time himself. Bet you don't know who father time is either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oySZS9zm3jw

Homer does it because he's stupid. Writers do it without any self awareness because they are stupid and think their audience is stupid too.

>>150995218
>t.