Thread 151036755

It is perfect in every way and no adaptation can do it justice. What do you think of the works of Charles Burns?

>>151036755 (OP)
I have to read it again. I only remember tiny pieces of it, and I remember thinking it was just okay.
I recently read Final Cut and thought it was just okay as well.

>>151036755 (OP)
I think I gotta fart

>>151036755 (OP)
>I think I gotta shit

>>151036755 (OP)
meh

>>151036755 (OP)
i think i need to piss

>>151036755 (OP)
Everyone who read and liked this has abandoned /co/.

>>151036755 (OP)
>What do you think of the works of Charles Burns?
A style/aesthetic pretending to be an artistic statement, beloved by Fantagraphics
Yes Charles you made everything use the same record-grooves shading, you are a BIG BOY

>>151036755 (OP)
>artstyle clearly suited for an animated adaptation
>animation has such a bad reputation in the west that it’s being made as boring live action

Black Hole was bad and I think Charles Burns is gay

>>151036755 (OP)
>no adaptation can do it justice
I believe you, but if it has to happen Jane Schoenbrun is a pretty great choice imo.

would rather see an el borbah movie

>>151036755 (OP)
Is this the one where everybody is ugly and growing vaginas?

>>151036755 (OP)
i've seen it in stores a few times, it doesn't catch my interest

>>151036755 (OP)
Pretty average, Ito made this totally obsolete

>>151039356
In what way?

>>151036755 (OP)
Lame ending. Nice inks.

>>151039415
Having dozens of black and white body horror comics that are better drawn and more effective than it

>>151037222
What do you consider masterpieces?

>>151039584
More effective at what?

>>151039690
Here are some recent comics I enjoyed more than Final Cut.

>>151039910
I see. Only read Stages of Rot and Sunday from those. Not impressed at all.

>>151039922
They were a welcome breath of fresh air to me. Sunday is the best western comic I've read from the past 5 years, maybe 10. Not quite a masterpiece, but enjoyable.
Blood of the Virgin is also about making movies.

>>151039922
Incidentally, what are some of your recent favorites?

>>151040008
>>151040085
I see. He's no Joyce, I found it remarkably unremarkable as a work. I haven't been all that impressed with any recent comic book, I liked Final Cut. Other than that I read manga, books and watched some films.

>>151040241
What comics have impressed you?
I don't think I've ever been impressed by one, though I like plenty.

>>151040425
>What comics have impressed you?
Well that's sad. Maybe the medium is just not for you, you should try some other hobbies, maybe you'll find something that sparks more passion in you.

>>151040490
I love the medium.
Why are you dodging the question?

>>151040715
I'm not dodging the question, I'm being sincere. If the medium never impressed you then why not diverting your attention to something else? Comics and manga have impressed me, music has impressed me, film has impressed me, books have impressed me.

>>151036755 (OP)
>"Wuh eff…STDs turn you into a monster as a metaphor for how society treats people with STDs, but with high-school teenagers?"
Such brilliant! So bravery! Wow!

>>151041353
Move along, capeshitter.

>>151041467
>"you don't like bullshit, well then you must like horseshit!"
>t.smuggie tier response

>>151041559
Don't make me repeat myself, capeshitter.

>>151041693
lol:
>"Wuh eff…STDs turn you into a monster as a metaphor for how society treats people with STDs, but with high-school teenagers?"
>Such brilliant! So bravery! Wow!

>>151041733
Your brain broke, huh?

>>151041790
Say the line, Bart.

>>151041467
Your pretentiousfags getting high sniffing your own farts are cancer. You're embarrassed to be liking comic books so you shit on 99% of them in an effort to seem superior but you just look like midwits that can't have fun. Your garbage "true indie" creators could never write like Gerber and Starlin, they could never draw like Daniel Warren Johnson and Tradd Moore, and they could never do both like Walt Simonson and Frank Miller.

>>151036755 (OP)
Wrong

>>151041215
I asked you which comics, and you just turned around and dismissed me.
I find comics intriguing and entertaining, and the medium has a lot of potential. But impressive? Not yet, at least not since I was a kid.

>>151042544
And vice versa.

>>151042544
Those guys couldn't do what Burns does either.
>>151044760
Exactly.

>>151040241
>He's no Joyce
You being serious?

>>151042544
I like both, asshole

>>151036755 (OP)
I like how Black Hole doesn't end. It just stops. Interesting book to say the least.

>>151039695
At being better

>>151039356
They're different beasts. They have similarities but I love both.

>body horror as a metaphor for the changes of adolescence
Yeah I think I got the point
I do like the uncredited art assists by Don Simpson though, Burns must have really fucked up trying to draw sexy girls. It's not even gradual, it goes from his usual high-contrast shadowed monster faces with the groove shading to flat "Anton Drek" style from physiognomy to Simpson's linework, only the hair looking like Burns.

>finished it
This is one of those things where you have to have lived something similar to it to really give a fuck. I belong to jusst after that generation but outside of the buying weed part (very accurate) I don't relate too closely and honestly Burns could have done this without any need for metaphor except then no one would have paid money to read an account that goes nowhere and he knew this.It's creepy mainly to keep you interested and after Twin Peaks I lost my taste for "weird makes it cool." It's not bad, it's just not a masterwork either and as I mentioned earlier him relying on another artist to compensate for being unable to draw attractive women lowers my opinion of the book. Either Simpson redrew the womens' faces or Burns copied his work REAL hard, not sure which.

>>151039356
>Ito made this totally obsolete
They're pretty similar in their goals, I wouldn't go all fucking weeb with the "GRORIOUS NIHON DO IT BETTER" bullshit. You can enjoy both.

>>151039356
>Ito made this totally obsolete
Not possible.

It's funny to see the extremes.
For some, a comic that isn't about good guys punching bad guys is pretentious garbage. For others, any comic that's not on the literary level of Joyce or Shakespeare is not worth reading.

>>151048306
If anything comics could learn from both that black and white still has room to exist. I love color stuff just as much but with some of the iffy color jobs we see nowadays maybe some books are better in black and white

>>151051432
Definitely.

Your favorite indie creator has a box of X-Men comics hidden away somewhere.

>>151039356
Yeah, and Tim Buckley made X'ed Out obsolete before Burns even drew it.

>>151039690
I'm a different anon who also was not overly impressed by Black Hole.
I felt that Jimmy Corrigan and Day Tripper were both better 'mature' graphic novels than Black Hole. There's also a lot of capeshit (Gotham Central, 52, etc...) that I enjoyed more as well.
Also any given Tintin book.

>>151042544
>and Tradd Moore
Thank fuck, he's still mentally 12

>>151053948
>Gotham Central, 52
Really? I couldn't get into those.

>>151054391
Mentally older than you, then.

>>151036755 (OP)
its shit

>>151053948
Ware is so shallow and shit.

>>151036755 (OP)
>What do you think of the works of Charles Burns?
I'm unfamiliar.

>>151057825
Burns is shallower.

>>151060249
No.

>>151060272
Yes.

>>151061976
Hell nah.

>>151062028
Yes. Ware is much better.

>>151062054
No. Ware is much worse.

>>151062028
>>151061976
They're both kind of boring.

>>151062383
You're just naysaying. Ware is better.
>>151062537
Burns is more boring.

>>151063554
Nah, Ware is far worse.

>>151047309
Better at what?

>>151053948
Jimmy Corrigan is awful, Ware is a crummy writer and a mediocre artist hiding behind gimmicks.

>>151064163
Jimmy Corrigan is good. Ware spins decent yarn, and Jimmy Corrigan unfolds as a downbeat adventure that incorporates places and people like almost nothing else in comics.
Ware is a terrific artist, but he chose a style that may not be to everyone's taste.
Black Hole is dull, terribly-written shit. Milquetoast angst and a heavy reliance on off-putting visuals.

>>151053948
>Day Tripper
Daytripper

>>151065367
Date Ripper

>>151064276
>Jimmy Corrigan is good
Hell fucking no. His characters are a bad parody of uninterestingness, his drawings are dull and he gimmicks it up to seem more interesting but it's just that, a gimmick. Chris Ware is a good example why american comic books are never second rate.

>Jimmy Corrigan is good
Hell fucking no. His characters are a bad parody of uninterestingness, his drawings are dull and he gimmicks it up to seem more interesting but it's just that, a gimmick. Chris Ware is a good example why american comic books are always going to be second rate.

>>151055338
Fair enough. I like police/detective stories and Gotham Central hits a lot of the same beats as classic Golden Era detective fiction/noir so I enjoyed it. 52 is neat to me because of how many different plates are spinning and how nicely they all end up connecting. The characterization of Renee + Vic in particular is my favorite but Booster Gold's story arc, Ray Dibny going crazy, and honestly most of the other plotlines are quite entertaining too.
>>151057825
Sure. I don't think the writing is particularly profound but I enjoy the visual style even if it is gimmicky.
>>151064163
Style is more important than talent. If Ware's gimmicks lead to interesting/good looking pages I don't actually care whether or not he is a good artist, just whether he can make pages I find good.
>>151065367
My miss take.

I'm glad that no one tried to shit on my main man Tintin.

>>151067139
>If Ware's gimmicks lead to interesting/good looking pages
They don't.

>>151067162
We disagree on a fundamental level and likely will not reach a compromise. There is no value to continuing discussion of this particular point.

>>151067172
True, but you I can't agree that Ware has style (or talent). You are free to be enamored by his gimmicks, but he's too shallow for me.

>>151067172
>>151067297
I don't get why you're fighting about this petty shit. You only have each other. Nobody else gives a fuck about comics, especially not these types of comics.
If supposed fans stepped down from their high horses, stopped undermining good comics while propping up bad ones, maybe comics could have a chance at improving, maybe even competing.

>>151067297
NTA, it all looks like airplane safety brochures to me.

>>151067446
Not fighting. It's fine to have different taste, but he's gimmicky.

>>151067139
Tintin is le gay.

>>151069167
You and I are enemies now.

>>151041215
You still haven't answered.

>>151069167
wtf no it isnt

>>151067139
Tintin is for retards. Didn't Burns do some Tintin ripp off or homage? Proves my point.

bumpe

>>151073245
Fuck off, diplodocus

>>151074427
Don't reply to me you retard.

>>151073245
Last Look. It was supposed to be inspired by Tintin and the work of William S. Burroughs, two things I enjoy. I did not enjoy Last Look.

>>151074806
You're still a retard just like Burns.

>>151074867
Why?

>>151036755 (OP)
Cool cover.

>>151075783
No it's not. You have shit taste.

>>151076511
It's a really good cover.

>>151036755 (OP)
It's mid.

>>151067620
What gimmicks?

Chris Ware amd Dan Clowes are superior.

>>151081132
Nah.

>>151081681
Yah

>>151081681
Yes.

S'cool.

This comic and a few others colored my perception of indies when I was a kid, I thought they were all black and white and about normal people doign drugs and saying "Fuck" a lot.

Pretentiousness.

>>151086664
It's not. It's stupidly simple. You're just enormously retarded.

>>151081132
They're hacks.

>>151086664
dumbass

The comic is terrible. Surprised to see this thread still alive. Someone really cares.

Anyweay, the only good work by Burns is El Borbah. Not because it's capey, but because it has heart. This shit? It doesn't

>>151088174
stop samefagging, it's embarrassing

>>151081132
Clowes is ok, but just ok. Ware is terrible.

>>151037242
How'd it feel? Are you a little more at ease now?

>>151081681
>>151087514
>>151088231
All wrong!
Ware > Clowes > Burns

>>151089938
Nope.
Campbell>Burns>Clowes>Chester Brown>>>>>Ware

>>151090172
Which Campbell?

>>151090512
Eddie, obviously. What other Campbell could there be?

>>151090638
Sophie Campbell, J. Scott Campbell, Jim Campbell, Jamal Campbell, Jessica Campbell, Aaron Campbell, April Campbell, Bill Campbell, Josie Campbell, Laurence Campbell, Ross Campbell

>>151090806
If you thought any of these could've been the Campbell in this context you are a shitposter. Good day.

Did your favorite indie comic make a cameo in a million dollar movie franchise? I think not. Checkmate.