Thread 151093678

Are they just that irony poisoned they can't enjoy things genuinely and just generalize everything? Why do late millennials/early zoomers embrace and appreciating the stuff they complain about now? Is it the realization that lot of it was exaggerated or lies?

they’re insecure about it because everything they’ve ever made pales in comparison, but they’ll die before they ever admit their parents did something better than they could

>>151093678 (OP)
Millennials are spiteful creatures underneath all the layers of irony and troll's remorse.

>>151093678 (OP)
>shooter screen cap about some faggy E-celeb

>>151093678 (OP)
>giving a shit about Razorfist's opinion

everyone under the age of 35 is an insecure faggot who mentally crumbles at the thought of some broccoli hair calling him "cringe" so nothing is allowed to be sincere or fun anymore

>>151093678 (OP)
Enjoyment often involves context and expectation and things don't exist in a vacuum. They generalise because they have reason to, the 90s context was the speculator boom where the market was crazy, so much copying what's popular and chasing the trends. Then the market crashed. So a lot of these comics blended together, expectations were high because the market was full of contenders, high expectations are hard to meet meaning something feels bad. But when they read them without the pressure of the context or super high expectations they find them to be alright.

Basically most media conversations are people ignoring the context and expectations. Many of those "great comics" that people feel are overrated, felt great because compared to what else was put they felt different.

>>151093678 (OP)
This guys a faggot who never grew out of his edgy contrarian teenager phase

>>151093780
Anon, the oldest millennials are past 40.

>Bright colorful artwork that looks detailed with nothing really extremely violent or dark.
>90'S COMICS WHERE GRIM AND GRITTY AND EDGY!
Carnage kill most people off screen, this stuff is harmless PG-13 stuff at worst, it's not like the indie/underground stuff at all or even like Vertigo titles

>>151093678 (OP)
>Acting like a right wing Linkara
Left or right, they're all the same huh?

>>151093678 (OP)
Zoomers seem to hate millennials the most though

>>151093812
and the oldest gen z almost 30.

>>151093678 (OP)
You'd think Razorfist would be more appreciative of 90s comics considering they were a return to capeshit being more pulpy and getting in touch with their roots.

>hyper-violence
>sex appeal
>very Gothic
>classic unambiguous heroism vs villainy

Spawn is basically just Ghost Rider mashed up with Venom and Batman...but The Shadow and The Spider are what inspired THOSE characters (directly or indirectly).

>>151093841
One is performatively aggressive, the other is passive aggressive. Either way both are being insincere.

>>151093859
>classic unambiguous heroism vs villainy
Anti heroes were the cool thing back then.
Cable, Wolverine, Punisher, etc.

>>151093678 (OP)
Late Gen X’er here.
Just what the fuck are you talking about?
What do we hate?

>>151093902
Lot of you seem to hate what you grew up with, at least the loud vocal ones online.

>>151093860
>>151093841
Razorfist always reminded me of Howard Stern or Bill Maher. That sort of ego-personality that punches down and goes "heh, I'm a REAL man" while being the most immature faggoty manchild in the room who really isn't all that well-read or has any conviction or passion behind their beliefs or interests. They can still make something and have it not be trash, but their own selfishness gets in the way.

It's like there's a spectrum of manliness, and you have Linkara/Woody Allen on one side, and then you got Razorfist/Howard Stern on the other.

My idol is Orson Welles. He could be a real dick but he didn't care about what others thought of him. That kind of trait is absent in so many men these days.

comic oldheads were telling teenagers that Image sucked and the Image style was stupid and badly written and what really mattered was how well written a comic was. a lot of those teenagers got so brow beaten by this that they eventually recanted any love for Omage they had(except for Jim Lee, who was purified in the Holy Waters of DC comics and repented for going stray
The other side of the coin doubled down and are keeping Rob Liefeld fed to this day.

>>151093678 (OP)
Who the fuck is this and why should I care about his opinion?

Making fun of 90's comics in 2025 is like making a Mario using drugs joke nowadays.

>>151093678 (OP)
This has to be ironic, and every single person here must be pretending to be retarded. This mutherfucker really said:
>they can't enjoy things genuinely and just generalize everything.
While generalizing and complaining about every single person of two generations, all on the basis of some ironic shitposting of some fucker on twitter.

How fucking shitty does this board has to get?

>>151093914
The fuck?
How many times have you heard that the 70s, the 80s, or the 90s was the best time to grow up in?
That’s us.

>>151093678 (OP)
I like part where he got shit on by everyone, even i dustry vets from the 90s for atracking travest charest of all people. Razorfaggot is a tourist of highest order. How the pedo groomer still has a life is a damn shame.

>>151093914
the vast majority of gen Xers don't really keep an online presence. Mid-Late Millenials and Zoomers feel like they can only comprehend generations by what online footprint is left behind. It's like zoomers who seem to think Scott Pilgrim was a way bigger deal than it was because it was popular online, when the movie itself bombed hard and most millenials didn't read comics.

>>151093983
Cont’d
The Internet fucked up your generation and will continue to fuck up the minds of generations after you

>>151093965
Ironic because those old head writers like Peter David worked with those artists.

>>151093983
Yeah but no one seems to complain about old comics, video games, movies and music more than your gen.
>>151093993
your gen made the Internet this way.

>>151093956
he's basically just ripping off dennis miller. but with a heavy metal gimmick

>>151094002
Peter David worked with Todd McFarlane on Hulk, then the two had a spat which resulted in a formal debate. A complete waste of time imo.

>>151093678 (OP)
>irony poisoned
Is this the new buzzword faggotry, or is it just one dipshit?

>>151093678 (OP)
I like what I grew up with. But it helps that I didn't grow up reading either FF or Robin books (though I did read some Batman comics but not too much). And I wouldn't call that Robin art bad except maybe Joker's face.

That Sue anatomy is just totally wrong.

>>151093986
to be fair to them the internet is a "way bigger deal" now so it makes sense they would assume a bunch of subcultures were bigger then than they really were

>>151094027
I feel like most of that spat was kayfabe because you watch it and they don't really seem actually angry with each other but I agree.

>>151094042
The F4 art is bad, the Robin art is fine.

Well lot of early zoomers who got into comics grew up with cheap back issues of 90's/00's books while the late millennials likely grew up with cheap back issues of 80's/70's books. People forget that back issues have lot to do with people's taste in comics. I'm 29 and I grew up with 90's era Batman because of a box of back issues my grandma bought.

>>151093874
Yeah, but Cable and Punisher and Wolverine aren't all that different from The Shadow or The Spider. 90s anti-heroes are defined by being what the traditional capeshit heroes aren't (erm, heroes avoid killing, aren't hyper-violent, and carry themselves in a friendly manner), and the traditional capeshit heroes ultimately carved out their own niche that separated them from their hero pulp roots.

Any foe who saw The Shadow's true face would die. If he wasn't recruiting and reforming criminals to be his allies, he'd either brainwash them, blackmail them, or straight up hand them a gun to off themselves after confessing their sins. The Spider literally cut off a man's head and stuffed a bomb in it, then dressed it up in his hat and gift-wrapped that sucker to a mob boss so he could claim his own bounty. Moon Knight doesn't have shit on half the crazy shit The Spider does.

>>151094090
Which would you recommend between them? Shadow or Spider?

90's was the best era of comic art just due to all the variety before everything kinda settled down to Brian Hitch type stuff in the 2000's to 2010's with few exceptions and now we're in kind of the Dan Mora era.

>>151094144
If you want your urban Gothic pulp to be more like an exciting dream or fairy tale fantasy, check out The Shadow. The Shadow can be spooky and fearsome, but underneath his dark exterior is a kind and heroic heart. He's a heroic Dracula.

If you want things to play out more like a nightmare where thousands die every other story and the villains are some of the most depraved bastards put on paper, try The Spider. Deranged crackhead energy who fucks his hot girlfriend.

>>151094169
There was always a house style before, but these days it feels like the house style is determined by an esoteric popularity contest, rather than influence or reader approval.

>>151094194
Shit, both sound great. Guess I'll give each a shot. I know the serial is likely different, but I'll also try the Spider movie from the 40s.

>>151094214
I still feel like late 80's to late 90's (most the late 90's and start of the 00's) was the most variety in comic art for the mainstream, you could have an issue of Batman drawn by Graham Nolan and one drawn by Kelley Jones at the same time, it felt like the house styles barely exist, have an issue of Spider-Man drawn by like Paul Pope and later JRJR. It was the embrace of indie art even if lot of fans hated it and wanted the standard looking Neal Adams class of comic art.

>>151094228
The Shadow and Spider serials are hokey, but they're a lot of fun. If you like The Shadow and wish there was an anime, try The Big O. If you like The Spider and wish there was an anime, try Hellsing.

Be sure to familiarize yourself with the Shadow comics and pulps before you watch the 90s movie with Alec Baldwin, the movie is a stark departure from the source material in terms of The Shadow's characterization.

>>151094277
Legends of The Dark Knight and late Spider-Man's Tangled Web with how wild the art looks feel like books that couldn't have came out any later than like 2005 because of how unique the artstyles where on those titles. I mean lot of variety now sure but it all seem to come from the same class of drawing.

>>151094302
I actually watched Hellsing way back when it was still an ongoing OVA. Good to know what I'm in for.
Hopefully I can find some of the original pulps of both series and read them on my commute to work.

>>151094354
The Spider has got a LOT of recent reprints that are still ongoing, you can pick them off from Amazon. The Shadow's big magazine reprints are a bit more expensive, but you're better off with the paperbacks, they're more portable.