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Anonymous No.151134343 [Report] >>151135327 >>151135630 >>151135673 >>151136334 >>151137002 >>151137099 >>151137106 >>151138041 >>151138124 >>151141682 >>151142152 >>151142189 >>151142606 >>151142891 >>151144146 >>151148138 >>151149323 >>151153640 >>151157933 >>151158581 >>151159533 >>151159614 >>151162705
I simultaneously love the Boys and hate the Boys with a burning passion. I utterly adore the premise and characters but I can’t help but feel it’s just a sea of missed opportunities.
I can’t even enjoy fanfic like miraculous fans because it’s 99% smut.
Anonymous No.151135327 [Report] >>151136270
>>151134343 (OP)
You've checked out the cartoon anthology, right anon?
Anonymous No.151135630 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
The Boys and Gen V are so weird cause the shock elements are equally entertaining and invasive. It's also funny how they lean in on representation while most of the gay scenes come off as homophobic, it's always some antagonistic douchey supe doing it before getting mutilated like "haha that FAG got what was coming to him! Anyway please take the Frenchie's boyfriend drama seriously."
Anonymous No.151135673 [Report] >>151135687 >>151135769 >>151145233
>>151134343 (OP)
The Boys is great. That shit is NOT The Boys
Anonymous No.151135687 [Report] >>151145233
>>151135673
THIS is The Boys
Not "MUH WOIFE'S SON"
Anonymous No.151135763 [Report] >>151137137 >>151145282 >>151148387 >>151151760
Remember when Homelander was so fast he could pull butcher out of a suicide bomber vest in the middle of an explosion, saving his life while taking him across half the USA?

Weird how he never uses this super speed to say, win a fight or something,

I guess he forgot about it. Characters have a habit of forgetting shit they did even the episode before in this show
Anonymous No.151135769 [Report] >>151142640 >>151142684 >>151142829 >>151162651 >>151163651
>>151135673
The show is bad but also better than the comic
Anonymous No.151136270 [Report]
>>151135327
Been meaning to. Honestly I like what I’ve seen but I wish there was more.

I really want to see the Seven canonically flounder against a truly powerful supervillain or monster
Anonymous No.151136334 [Report] >>151137038
>>151134343 (OP)
>I utterly adore the premise and characters but I can’t help but feel it’s just a sea of missed opportunities.
You're not wrong in feeling this way, Kripke is a hack
Anonymous No.151137002 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
I like parts of the comic.
If the art was much better and consistent, if Ennis were more passionate about the superhero aspects of the story, and if he did a little more research on the military-industrial complex aspects of the story, it could have been great.
The show is a massive turd with an Antony Starr on top.
Anonymous No.151137038 [Report] >>151139796
>>151136334
What else has he done besides The Boys adaptation?
Anonymous No.151137099 [Report] >>151137182 >>151138065 >>151145321 >>151149887
>>151134343 (OP)
Honestly, The Boys is just Marshal Law but shittier. And Marshal Law wore out its charm really fucking fast after those first few books.
Anonymous No.151137106 [Report] >>151137669
>>151134343 (OP)
The premise really hooked me for some reason, until it focused on everything BUT exploring its themes
Anonymous No.151137137 [Report] >>151137159 >>151148387 >>151151875
>>151135763
Same reason Goku can be hurt by a bullet he should be bajillions of times faster than if you listen to his swarthiest fans. Super speed only works if you ignore it sometimes.
Anonymous No.151137159 [Report]
>>151137137
To be fair, he got shot in the head a bunch as a kid, and the one time he got shot as an adult he immediately concluded he was growing old
Anonymous No.151137182 [Report]
>>151137099
It's an expanded Marshal Law with more focus on the characters and set in a slightly more realistic world. The shittier part is really the art. Marshal Law mostly remains satirical, and any characterization is done for laughs.
Anonymous No.151137669 [Report] >>151139193
>>151137106
Explain.
Anonymous No.151138041 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
no you've got it. you're doing it right
Anonymous No.151138065 [Report]
>>151137099
Kingdom of the Blind was incredible and that was after the initial wave
Anonymous No.151138124 [Report] >>151139193 >>151163380
>>151134343 (OP)
I just can't look past the fact that the initial premise is just so unrealistic. If the military saw a guy that could fly, was immune to bullets, could shoot lasers out of his eyes and clear a house full of people in less than a minute; Vought wouldn't need to advertise them. They would already be in the military. And I get that not every superhero is Homelander, but this is directly addressed in the comic, it's not like Vought would care. Once you have the contract, that's it, and the military would NEVER refuse to give them that contract, for any cost.
You could argue that they would still be psychopaths with no accountability, but even then, you'd have to argue it.
Anonymous No.151139193 [Report] >>151139796
>>151138124
That's one area where the show struggles compared to the comics. The comic exists in a world of parody, poking fun at the very premise of superhero worlds. The show has to ground itself in reality just a bit, and it makes things too grounded for me to believe anything about Vought or that things were allowed to get this far. Like you point out, the DoD would have moved on superhumans the second they emerged.


>>151137669
NTA but season 4 felt it was appropriate to detour onto Hughie's dad and Frenchie's boyfriend right when the plot should be amping up. Completely unforgivable writing.
Anonymous No.151139796 [Report]
>>151137038
He apparently also worked on the first five seasons of Supernatural which I didn't know. Haven't seen it though, I can only attest to how The Boys quality dropped off hard after the first few seasons, particularly in S4. The "Homelander = Drumpf" theme was really hamfisted in S3 and somehow got way worse in S4.

>>151139193
>season 4 felt it was appropriate to detour onto Hughie's dad and Frenchie's boyfriend right when the plot should be amping up
Also one of my biggest complaints about S4. The gratuitous scenes of UE getting raped by Tek Knight, then raped again by the shapeshifter as Annie, just for Annie to get mad at him for it, are absolutely awful
Anonymous No.151140418 [Report] >>151157477
Wow you guys really hate this show
Anonymous No.151140497 [Report] >>151141063
Anytime I think of "the boys" I think of sports coaches saying "let's go boyz" or "alight boyz" so I cant take this show seriously
Anonyrnous No.151141063 [Report] >>151145292
>>151140497
Well luckily you're not MEANT to take The Boys seriously!
Anonymous No.151141682 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
Cut out all the weird sex stuff and it'd go up two points out of 10
Anonymous No.151142152 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
Homelander is a perfect microcosm of what you're talking about. Could they have got a better actor? He's perfect. The costume is great. But then they fuck up the show with stupid garbage.

They get so much right which just makes the stupid shit more painful.

I've hated the splashy piss stream of laser eyes and power beams in general in recent years since CGIfags could overdesign them to high heaven. I was never expecting simple Christopher Reeve thin red lines in the CURRENT YEAR or anything, but they just started looking like absolute shit. With Homelander they actually get it right. Lots of frustrating examples like that or DOING IT RIGHT and DOING IT WRONG.
Anonymous No.151142171 [Report]
It was decent until they went full Trump Derangement Syndrome and then pretended we're too stupid to get that they're making fun of us or some shit.
Anonymous No.151142189 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
>have Frenchie pursue and help Gook Girl for a couple of seasons
>have him suddenly up and decide he's gay for no reason
>she is totally okay with this
No thank you.
>dropped
Anonymous No.151142606 [Report] >>151142836
>>151134343 (OP)
Actually the creators are actively mocking you chuds, you're not the supposed to laugh with us
Anonymous No.151142640 [Report] >>151142684
>>151135769
That stopped being true about 4 seasons ago.
Anonymous No.151142684 [Report]
>>151135769
>>151142640
It was never true.
Anonymous No.151142829 [Report]
>>151135769
Season 2 is actually meritless, and it consequently ruined everything after it
Anonymous No.151142836 [Report]
>>151142606
They have told people to stop watching the shows more than telling people to and qondering why it is a flopping show
Anonymous No.151142891 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
there's plenty of omni-man fucking homelander fap fic (some even includes decent art) for you elsewhere, you don't need to type to strangers on the interwebz to fill your needs, sister
Anonymous No.151143004 [Report] >>151143292 >>151143567 >>151144469 >>151153621 >>151163552
OP here. Just to be clear when I say missed opportunities I am specifically talking about the focus on sex and politics over character development, and the fact that the writers feel the need to directly parallel irl politics instead of making a timeless allegory.
I’m a pretty liberal guy, so the show wasn’t making fun of me according to the creators, but I still felt cheated and made fun of because of how much was wasted.

Tek Knight was wasted
Web Weaver was wasted
Kenji didn’t get enough screen time to make us care.
Sister Sage could’ve been an amazing character if anyone was smart enough to write her being smart instead of just making her bargain bin Tzeentch
The entire supervillain plotline died in its infancy, leaving me feeling like a fool for even caring.
And then Season 4 completely threw out the potentially amazing plotline of Homelander on trial.

Why is it that every time this show has a good idea, they immediately throw it away
Anonymous No.151143292 [Report]
>>151143004
Love Sausage was also wasted.
But to be fair everyone was wasted
Anonymous No.151143567 [Report]
>>151143004
They don't actually care, they just want to use someone elses ip to soapbox. The irl politics angle never worked becuawe they are criticizing things like Amazon, the company theynare working for.
Anonymous No.151144108 [Report]
I dunno, back when the show premiered I thought it would be this episodic series about people without superpowers taking down a bunch of corrupt superheroes by creatively exploiting their weaknesses. Not this weird satire about politics and the media and celebrities and stuff it turned out being.
Anonymous No.151144146 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
Same but I also felt the same with the comic more than a decade ago
Anonymous No.151144469 [Report]
>>151143004
they split James Stillwell into two different characters and neither had the weight or the imporance of the og
Anonymous No.151145233 [Report]
>>151135673
>>151135687
Could have been better honestly
Anonymous No.151145282 [Report]
>>151135763
To be fair, Homelander is a lazy ass faggot who doesn't train how to use his powers. He is a bully with super strenght and laser vision.
Anonymous No.151145292 [Report]
>>151141063
but muh Trump allegories
Anonymous No.151145321 [Report] >>151146856 >>151147058
>>151137099
This shit is gay as fuck
Anonymous No.151145585 [Report] >>151156392 >>151162924
Kripke issue is that he made all characters boring and Homelander too based
Anonymous No.151146856 [Report]
>>151145321
wtf no it isnt
Anonymous No.151147058 [Report]
>>151145321
It's somewhat homoerotic, but that's another "fuck you" to superheroes from Pat Mills.
He says he hates superheroes, though he admits to liking Ditko's Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Returns, and Watchmen
Anonymous No.151147634 [Report] >>151149360
'Supes' is such a stupid colloquialism
Anonymous No.151148138 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
Op is right about there being no fics. The only well written fics for the Boys are the one about them getting curb stomped by DC, the one about them getting curb stomped by Marvel, and the one where a self insert becomes Doctor Eggman.
Everything else is smut
Anonymous No.151148387 [Report]
>>151135763
>>151137137
homelander actually does that twice if you think about it since Butcher wakes up in another town right at the start of S2.
Anonymous No.151149323 [Report] >>151150477
>>151134343 (OP)
I like this guy's supersuit
Anonymous No.151149360 [Report] >>151149685 >>151151431
>>151147634
No worse than "quirks" or "haki"
Anonymous No.151149685 [Report] >>151151431
>>151149360
Much worse, at least "quirk" is a slang for a medical condition and haki is just eastern wizard bullshit
Anonymous No.151149887 [Report] >>151150526
>>151137099
Marshall Law's big problem was

1. Main character was WAY too likable and nice and kept getting nicer with each subsequent story

2. The whole "Toxic Magazine" bullshit, which derailed the series and the crap that is Marshall Law vs Pinhead being lost media due to rights issues as it was the best of the later end ML stories.
Anonymous No.151150477 [Report]
>>151149323
It suits him quite well wouldn't you say?
Anonymous No.151150526 [Report]
>>151149887
>1. Main character was WAY too likable and nice and kept getting nicer with each subsequent story
It's funny you say that, if only because you are 100% right and it's really fucking weird to think that when I know Marshal Law is a self-admitted jackboot loving murder addicted fascist who hunts superheroes mainly because he literally sees all his own worst qualities in them/himself
Anonymous No.151151431 [Report] >>151151601 >>151163583
>>151149360
>>151149685
Every anime uses a different naming convention. Ki, quirk, nen, chakra, haki, saki, faki, etc.
Anonymous No.151151601 [Report] >>151154315
>>151151431
For different things. Or are you the kind who sees a dog and calls it a cat cause they're both mammals?
Anonymous No.151151760 [Report] >>151151836
>>151135763
A better question is why Homelander keeps the Boys alive?. He had no reason to keep them alive after S2. At least in the comics there was a truce + Homelander didn't gave a shit and completely ignored them
Anonymous No.151151836 [Report] >>151151889 >>151156944
>>151151760
This at least to me is excusable. Homelander is le psycho crazy; but moreso than that deep down I think he gets off on being challenged. He lets them live so he has something to think about, basically. Not like he gives a fuck if they kill anyone else, since HL doesn't really care about any other capes or people around him.

What they've been doing is also a great excuse for him to try and change the way they do things at Vaught in ways that benefit him; exerting more control, leaning into the 'supe supremacy' ideal, so on. The violence and deaths caused by 'the boys' manufacture consent for Homelander to push harder. He also lets them live so he has an excuse.

And if we really want to bullshit around, it's not that homelander 'likes' Butcher, but he is pretty much the only person in the world HL can be 'honest' with in any capacity. HL still thinks he can kill him whenever he wants, he doesn't think they're a serious threat to him at all, he likes fucking with him
Anonymous No.151151875 [Report]
>>151137137
He was never hurt by a bullet.
The most that happened was him getting a small cut of arguable canonicity.
Anonymous No.151151889 [Report] >>151152114
>>151151836
Of course, given that the next season is (I think) the final one, we can assume the events that have transpired recently have rapidly shifted Homelander's view on the little gang and now he is much more willing to actually kill Hughie, Butcher, whoever else because they've slowly become more and more of a genuine threat to his worldview and desired way of living, alongside merking one too many of HL's potential stooges probably pisses him off.

But overall he keeps Butcher alive for the same reason he keeps Hughie alive; he can be 'honest' with both of them, and genuinely enjoys tormenting them. I don't think he really gives a fuck if the other 4 die, but he's not intent on killing Hughie or Butcher outright because he needs someone he can gloat honestly to.

Either way i'm expecting a lot of named characters to die in the last season
Anonymous No.151152114 [Report] >>151154386
>>151151889
Only Butcher and Homelander are dying, they probably bring back Soldier Boy to kill him too, the rest are fine. Kripke has an aversion to permanently kill off characters, that's why Supernatural became Dragon Ball with the multiple deaths and resurrections of the cast
Anonymous No.151153621 [Report]
>>151143004
dont care about any of those bums, but the way they got rid of soldier boy was retarded
it was the perfect opportunity to kill homelander but they focused on taking down the smaller fish because...
Anonymous No.151153640 [Report] >>151155149
>>151134343 (OP)
How many times do you think they'll say 'fuck' this season? Last season broke 400, maybe they'll break 500 this time!
Anonymous No.151154315 [Report]
>>151151601
They also call the same things different names.
Anonymous No.151154386 [Report]
>>151152114
I feel like Frenchie and MM both have a 50/50, probably not both of them, but Frenchie is an easy out.

If A-Train comes back in any way for the last season he's probably dead too, at least since everyone thought he was gonna die in the finale of the last one with all the death flags they were raising for him.

Firecracker is 100% dead, Sister Sage is low but possible.

I can kinda see Soldier Boy making it to the end but I have no idea what they'd do with the character, assuming they want to keep him around. Hasn't he already established himself as a major villain in the eyes of our protagonists and the general public?
Anonymous No.151155149 [Report]
>>151153640
I don't fuckin know
Anonymous No.151156392 [Report]
>>151145585
That's not his only issue
Anonymous No.151156944 [Report]
>>151151836
>Vaught
Anonymous No.151157477 [Report]
>>151140418
This can be said in just about any /co/ thread to be fair
Anonymous No.151157933 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
"Burning passion" is QUITE the description! Anon, it's just a TV show lol
Anonymous No.151158581 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
Did Starr already pay off those assault charges?
Anonymous No.151159533 [Report] >>151159774 >>151160387 >>151161646
>>151134343 (OP)
Honestly you should just read the parahuman series if you want the better experience, it does everything right
Anonymous No.151159614 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
It’s about how gay and retarded america is. I dont know why people pretend like it ever fails at its premise.
Anonymous No.151159774 [Report]
>>151159533
based
Anonymous No.151160387 [Report]
>>151159533
I fucking loooove Bees
Anonymous No.151161646 [Report] >>151161726
>>151159533
This is terrible, tho.
Anonymous No.151161726 [Report] >>151162624
>>151161646
(you)
Anonymous No.151162624 [Report]
>>151161726
Keep crying.
Anonymous No.151162651 [Report]
>>151135769
You have it backwards
Anonymous No.151162705 [Report]
>>151134343 (OP)
The boys had one of the best hooks with the first 2(3? Whenever invisidude gets blown up) episodes and everything after that is just garbage. Especially after season 1 the writers were insanely butthurt over Trump winning and let that seethe take over this show. It's pretty funny really.
Anonymous No.151162924 [Report] >>151163621
>>151145585
If you wanted to ruin homelnder for the chuds show his vulnerabilities and how messed up he actually is. He pays prostitutes to hold his hand while he sleeps, wets the bed, and has had every pet he ever had murdered by Vought employees as part of a stupid scheme to “teach him empathy”. Show him sobbing over the people he’s killed and having nightmares about it. If you want people to think he’s not cool show him as what he is : a victim of an ongoing abuse and grooming campaign. He was never really in control
Anonymous No.151163380 [Report]
>>151138124
Its like AI, it doesn't matter that it doesn't always work properly or that its inefficient. Or totally unsuited for many tasks its being assigned. Its a bubble and a boondoggle. The horror is how shoddy it would be and the money made off it. Superheroes wouldn't be reality stars, they'd be like...sherrifs at home, special forces abroad. And almost uniformly awful at it.

Thats why the airplane with Homelander worked so well, it was a great intersection between incompetence, corporate greed and overly powerful individuals. Someone like Sistah Sage would be a lot more believable and scary if she genuinely sucked at manipulating and reading people, so she relied more on enforcement and disabling people. Butcher and his team are more sympathetic and iconic if they're being replaced by superheroes, they're the discarded soldiers. Obsolete military equipment.
Anonymous No.151163552 [Report] >>151163713
>>151143004
I think youre putting the cart before the horse here, The Boys as a concept is really rooted in this idea of juxtaposing comic book concepts with real world structures. Right? That's Butcher being the Punisher, and also a government tool. It's Homelander being as strong as Superman but also as emotionally weak as any man. Its even Starlight being the archetypal superheroine redeemer; while also being a micromanaged celebrity and token resistance icon.

If we want to develop these characters we need to get "more political", we need to mesh them in more with real world structures. Tek Knight, you know how does he feel about intersections of money and race within superheroes? Is he an elitist among elitists, does he believe in some singsong rags-to-riches will-to-power meritocracy, why? Sistah Sage, what the hell is her ideology? Why do anything she does? "Boredom" isnt really compelling and neither is nihilism. And its a shame because she's in a great position to be a patronizing technocrat, telling people she knows what's best. Even Kimiko deserves this treatment, maybe especially Kimiko. She could have been an excellent window into a world of supervillainy and terrorism intersecting.

It'd also help to expand the world. Supervillains are wasted because theyre "just" controlled opposition. Thats great as an intention by the US government, but you know what happened with the Taliban right? The Mexican Cartels? Many, many European organized crime outfits? They go rogue, they take what you give them and use it to take more. There was a lot more meat on the supervillain bone. We needed to see some of these guys taking up real causes, causing real damage, and generally getting way farther with what they were given than expected.

Everything as it is is just so sanitized and clean. Everyone is so controlled and formulaic. There's broad gestures to pop culture but they dont take advantage of any real social or economic trends to establish their characters.
Anonymous No.151163583 [Report]
>>151151431
The thing is, its generally worth having a unique name for your power system in shonen manga because the *specific rules* of your battle system tend to be important to the story or the outcomes of fights.

The boys will never give a shit about how Homelander's flying work. Thats not something that western superhero settings care about. He can just fly, don't think too hard about it.
But in battle shonen, the details matter. Yes you can fly, but how? Oh, you do it by controlling the air around you? That means that by scattering these particles in the air, I can see the air currents moving around you in response to your power and know where you are about to move to before you even do it, etc etc.
The specific rules that shonen battle powers work off of get codified, explained, and then exploited. Quirks don't work like Nen don't work like Ki don't work like Devil Contracts don't work like Newtype abilities don't work like First Phases don't work like...
If they all were just called the same thing but worked under completely different rules, like calling every power system just "magic", it would unrionically be harder for the reader to keep track of how everything works.
Anonymous No.151163621 [Report]
>>151162924
We could also stand to have seen suck up a bit more. Thats something I always found weird about him. Narcissists with wounded egos dont just lash out and dominate, they also crave validation. We get some of that with him pandering to the civilian audiences he has but I mean one on one.

Not to harp on it, but this would've been a great spot for a supervillain to occupy. Some Homelander-lite tier character, maybe he leads some revolutionary radical cause and makes pretty speeches. He's a patriotic nationalist for a 3rd world country eager for that.

Then when Homelander and Captain Venezuela meet up, there's an air of admiration. A sense that Homelander wants Captain Venezuela to recognize him as his rival. Gives us a lot of opportunities for Homelander to act sort of pathetic as he tries to impress this guy, maybe slipping up during interviews and calling him a great man.
Anonymous No.151163651 [Report] >>151163679
>>151135769
The comic is kind of retarded but it's just classic Ennis. You know what to expect. The show started off okay but went to complete shit because the producers care more about their faggot ass culture war politics than about entertaining the audience.
Anonymous No.151163679 [Report]
>>151163651
The show would be 100% worse and unrecognizable if it had absolutely no connection to the real world. Just watch Invincible or something.
Anonymous No.151163713 [Report]
>>151163552
I agree completely.
Personal take, Tek Knight and Sage should’ve been competing technocrats who both want effectively the same thing but with themselves on top.
They should’ve been the reason for season 4 being drawn out as they both attempt to slow everything down to ensure they have enough time to get control of Homelander.

As for the villains I completely agree. The show would be a lot better if Homelander accidentally created his version of Doomsday and had to deal with the consequences
Anonymous No.151165110 [Report]
Milklander