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Anonymous No.151137300 [Report] >>151137317 >>151137318 >>151137326 >>151137342 >>151137356 >>151137386 >>151137477 >>151137495 >>151137513 >>151137608 >>151137725 >>151137836 >>151137930 >>151138368 >>151138372 >>151138382 >>151138480 >>151138812 >>151138959 >>151139050 >>151139168 >>151139440 >>151140697 >>151141299 >>151141923 >>151142041 >>151142311 >>151142605 >>151143750 >>151143978 >>151144241 >>151145060 >>151146379
>*has become extremely culturally irrelevant in the last 10 years*
What in the actual hell went wrong?
Anonymous No.151137317 [Report] >>151137608 >>151137983 >>151139381 >>151141019
>>151137300 (OP)
All the good talent was replaced with feminists and checkmarks.
Anonymous No.151137318 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Too many bad movies starting around Cars and Brave
Anonymous No.151137326 [Report] >>151139381
>>151137300 (OP)
Everyone that built it and made it relevant is no longer there, it's all corpo slop now.
Anonymous No.151137342 [Report] >>151137439 >>151141917
>>151137300 (OP)
>Fires the guy who led your company to become relevant because he hugged a few females
Yeah that will do it
Anonymous No.151137356 [Report] >>151139076 >>151139381
>>151137300 (OP)
Times changed and the creative minds that formed the studio either left, got kicked out, or died and eventually got replaced by people who only ever watched Pixar movies.
Anonymous No.151137386 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
When they doubled down on feminism.
Anonymous No.151137409 [Report] >>151144315
Everything has to end eventually. The fact we have companies like Disney that have been going for like 95 years is kinda incredible.
Anonymous No.151137439 [Report]
>>151137342
it wasn’t lasseter.
his big solo movie also sucked ass
Anonymous No.151137477 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Steve left
Anonymous No.151137495 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
inside out
Anonymous No.151137513 [Report] >>151137608
>>151137300 (OP)
Instead of creating whimsical stories it became a ground for the directors’ trauma.
Anonymous No.151137608 [Report] >>151138550 >>151140515
>>151137300 (OP)
Being bought by Disney to train 3D artists while also doing sequels hurt their credibility, 3D animation studios getting competitive for work (Dreamworks, Illumination, Sony Animation), still can't compete with video games.

>>151137317
>>151137513
Ignorance is no excuse for low-quality posting here.
Anonymous No.151137725 [Report] >>151138318 >>151138743 >>151141471 >>151143958 >>151144339
>>151137300 (OP)
Good. Pixar was always overrated trash. Specially Ratatouille.
Anonymous No.151137836 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Where have you been anon, so many of the juggernauts have lost cultural relevance and not just in the world of comics and animation, just look at Halo and Terminator. Corporate mismanagement and blunders lead to points like this. It got to a point after Disney started doing non Pixar 3D movies that they became indistinguishable, and I say this as someone who likes some of the new Pixar stuff.
Anonymous No.151137907 [Report] >>151137997 >>151138014 >>151138034 >>151138097 >>151138297 >>151138318 >>151138361 >>151138474 >>151140799 >>151141471 >>151143797
Ratatouille fucking sucks. There, I said it. Completely overrated. Doofus shit main character.
truteal !!r6dgSKY2bVh No.151137916 [Report] >>151137965 >>151137986
>They stopped doing hilarious end credit outtakes
>How to Train Your Dragon
>Minions
Anonymous No.151137930 [Report] >>151145083
>>151137300 (OP)
Hate to say it, but Lasseter was carrying the company
Anonymous No.151137965 [Report]
>>151137916
>They stopped doing hilarious end credit outtakes
Those were always a sign of the times. These days, you can look up a blooper/outtake/gag reel for free or find it in the Extras feature of any DVD/BR.

>hilarious
Subjective, but okay.
Anonymous No.151137983 [Report]
>>151137317
fpbp
Anonymous No.151137986 [Report]
>>151137916
All hail Minions!
Anonymous No.151137997 [Report] >>151138318 >>151139402
>>151137907
I was so disappointed with it with all the lasting praise it got, I thought I'd be getting something on par with WALL-E.
Anonymous No.151138014 [Report] >>151138318
>>151137907
Based, idk why it's so praised here and in general.
Anonymous No.151138034 [Report] >>151138318 >>151144352
>>151137907
Agreed. The movie itself is boring as fuck. The idea of making food tasting an orgasmic sensation is cringy. The rat is annoying as fuck. The lanky loser is an outright scumbag that goes gaga with the slightest taste of money. The romance between him and the tsundere tomboy is terribly unrealistic. The Jafar midget is just a moustsche twirling baddie with the character depth of a piss stain. The only thing good was the soundtrack, very relaxing although maybe too much stereotipically french for my taste.
Anonymous No.151138097 [Report] >>151138254 >>151138318 >>151138391
>>151137907
>moral of the story is "anyone can cook"
>MC can't cook
Anonymous No.151138254 [Report] >>151138318
>>151138097
Moral of the story is "give up on your dreams because talent can't be learned"
Anonymous No.151138297 [Report]
>>151137907
Ratatouille sucks indeed. Boring, pretentious and mostly charmless. Then again, what did you expect from the producer of Antz?
Anonymous No.151138318 [Report] >>151138361
>>151137725
>>151137907
>>151137997
>>151138014
>>151138034
>>151138097
>>151138254
Schizo
Anonymous No.151138361 [Report] >>151138562
>>151138318
I am >>151137907 anon. Most of the negative posts from 30 mins ago aren't mine. There are other people who dislike Ratatouille too.
Anonymous No.151138368 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Disney
Anonymous No.151138372 [Report] >>151138415
>>151137300 (OP)
Other animation studios caught up in terms of 3D.
Anonymous No.151138382 [Report] >>151142268
>>151137300 (OP)
they used up all the ideas on that napkin
Anonymous No.151138388 [Report] >>151138417
>Doesn't care that his long speech meant to inspire his employees is only boring and demoralizing them, on top of wasting valuable work time
Anonymous No.151138391 [Report]
>>151138097
The main character is a rat who dreams of cooking, has studied food in a way his fellow rats don't even think of studying food, and has turned that into a talent for cooking what people like to taste. The secondary character (the human) is wage slaving in a kitchen to pay for his groceries and rent, and admires the whole restaurant scene, but is young, inexperienced and a bit hapless. He hasn't put his heart into it like the rat or Colette has. Thus he isn't going toi be a great cook.
Anonymous No.151138415 [Report] >>151138468 >>151142130
>>151138372
This is the only valid answer. Case in point: Across the Spiderverse. Absolute masterpiece. Even Blue Sky at their time and sometimes Dreamworks offered more variety than Pixar.
Anonymous No.151138417 [Report]
>>151138388
He's a nice guy, but he's a kid fresh out of school, with no life experience nor a lot of restaurant experience to judge him by. Everyone in that room is substantially older than he is, far more experienced at what they are doing than he is. You are complaining that Alfredo there isn't a Gary Stu.
Anonymous No.151138468 [Report] >>151138482
>>151138415
Pixar didn't become big on animation fidelity. Pixar became big on compelling characters, and when the characters weren't compelling, that movie didn't sell. Same as Disney. Studios were able to do hand drawn animation to rival Disney for ages, and Pixar's 3D skill had plenty of technical rivals very soon.
Anonymous No.151138474 [Report]
>>151137907
I stand with you.
Anonymous No.151138480 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
>What in the actual hell went wrong?
Remember when Pixar used to make characters with detailed designs, with angles, straight lines, and curves?

Well, they don't do that anymore. All the characters are round, without detail, and with bean-like mouths.
Anonymous No.151138482 [Report] >>151138574
>>151138468
Cope tard.
Anonymous No.151138550 [Report]
>>151137608
Cope
Anonymous No.151138562 [Report] >>151138611
>>151138361
You are a faggot
Anonymous No.151138569 [Report] >>151138591 >>151142253
Pixar film
>Let's put an animal in a human role that is symbolically disapproved of in [job].
>Then, let's make the story about overcoming [bias].
>Let's subvert expectations by making another animal that is symbolically approved of in [job] the VILLAN.
Anonymous No.151138574 [Report]
>>151138482
Anonymous No.151138591 [Report]
>>151138569
Stfu, subhuman faggot
Anonymous No.151138611 [Report] >>151138681
>>151138562
Why? Because people don't like your favourite overrated Pixar flick? Finding Nemo and WALL-E are miles away better than this joyless and pretentious slog to sit trough.
Anonymous No.151138673 [Report]
Ratatouille is a hard movie to like. It's got too much of a high opinion of itself, yet it's a heavily flawed movie. This is why humble writing is important in animation. Audiences embrace and connect more with humble films. They don't like that feel of pretentiousness while at the cinema
Anonymous No.151138681 [Report] >>151138722
>>151138611
You are a retarded faggot
Anonymous No.151138722 [Report]
>>151138681
>No argument
Anonymous No.151138743 [Report]
>>151137725
I hated that particular film personally, I hate how people think it was some big awesome thing, but they did some good shit in the old days.
Anonymous No.151138752 [Report]
Ratatouille is sadly not the movie it could've been. It's let down by a tepid story, not very interesting characters, slow pacing and a lack of warmth. I think it's Pixar's weakest 2000s movie (besides Cars), being the only one that doesn't work as a whole
Anonymous No.151138812 [Report] >>151138847 >>151140780 >>151142059
>>151137300 (OP)
The long answer is that these two films happened.

Both of these are good films, don’t get me wrong, but they’ve both done heavy damage to the studio writing-wise.

Up had an amazing opening, but it’s what gave Pixar the reputation for making people sad and tugging on heartstrings, this resulted in most emotional moments from the films that came after feeling forced or sappy as a result rather than natural.

Toy Story 3 is a great film and an amazing ending to the Toy Story series, but it’s what caused Pixar to realize how profitable sequels are, and give sequels to films that don’t need them, the drop in quality from Toy Story 3 to Cars 2 is jarring and that’s cause you can tell the latter was made only to sell toys and make money.

The biggest problem with modern Pixar is how much they gear their films towards children, most new films either have a child protagonist or a sappy message, compare that to golden age Pixar which had adult protagonists and messages that can actually resonate with adults, it made those films feel like they were made for everyone rather than just kids, but now many people see as a kiddie studio. Keep in mind that Pixar was also always hit, never miss throughout every film from Toy Story to Toy Story 3, even the least liked of that era like A Bugs Life and Cars had tons of things to appreciate about them, after that golden age it’s been a mixed bag, and thus, the studio isn’t special anymore, its a mixed bag just like every other studio like Sony and Dreamworks. The animation itself isn’t special either, they’ve used to be known for having the best 3D animation out of any animation studio, but nowadays you got studios like goddamn Illumination having Pixar-level rendering quality, not helping is the fact that they’ve had the habit of making their new films shitty beanmouth slop.
Anonymous No.151138847 [Report] >>151139500
>>151138812
TS3 wasn’t that good either and was largely carried by that one scene that made all the nostalgia millenoids cry. Prior two movies are the great ones.
Anonymous No.151138856 [Report] >>151138904 >>151140780
Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, and Elemental are good and I'm tired of pretending they're not.
But because they were released during the pandemic they didn't make money so now Disney is forcing them to go back to making shitty sequels like they did the entire previous decade
Anonymous No.151138904 [Report] >>151140600
>>151138856
>Calling all that shit "good"
Well, Elemental is kinda underrated, at the very least I give you that.
Anonymous No.151138947 [Report]
Ratatouille needed more time in the oven, pun intended. There are writing problems here : Linguini and Skinner feel too much like cartoon characters, romance is underdeveloped, friendship between Remy and Linguini is unconvincing and not as touching as you'd expect, Remy's dad is never mentioned by name, Emile is kinda unlikeable, Linguini lacks dignity and the whole inheritance subplot fails to muster interest. There's also a 26 mins section of the film in which Remy only has 1 single line, being silent otherwise while the humans do the talking. It also has too many dead spots, especially in the second half (Skinner and lawyer scenes are dull). There's also a lack of funny jokes and that trademark Pixar warmth. It's as if Bird wasn't as invested here as in previous works. He tried to salvage the project after Pinkava left, but his heart didn't seem to be there.
Anonymous No.151138959 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
John Lasseter hugged someone
Anonymous No.151139021 [Report]
>Burts into the kitchen demanding to know who cooked the Ratatouille despite not having any more authority over the place. He expects it to be filled with his old human employees, unaware that all of them have left and been replaced by rats. He freezes, and somehow the rats ( which were quite a distance away ) end up tying him up, gagging him and locking him. It all happens in less than 5 mins, Skinner doesn't try to run away despite the door being behind him, and Colette is nowhere to be found despite supposedly being at the kitchen helping the rats. Skinner is never seen again for the rest of the movie

This movie's writing is unpolished. Troubled development issues are evident
Anonymous No.151139050 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)

How many “Pixar is dead” threads are you going to make?
Anonymous No.151139055 [Report]
One of the worst Pixar movies. Pinkava wrote a dull story with boring characters and an unappealing premise. Bird was brought late in development so he could salvage it, but he was unable to. Lasseter was too busy taking over WDAS and trying to save Meet the Robinsons, so he was unable to do much for Ratatouille either. This was made right during Disney's adquisition of Pixar, so development was a bit of a mess. It shows, cause there's a lack of polish to the writing, pacing and characterization here that you didn't find in other Pixar films at the time.
Anonymous No.151139076 [Report] >>151143644
>>151137356

This is complete bullshit

Pixar’s golden age ended long before he left. In fact, he directed the very film that ended it.

Also, I hate him for spearheading the Tinker Bell franchise and then letting it die before doing a film on how she met Peter Pan
Anonymous No.151139102 [Report]
Looks like Sharkfag found a new film to shit on 24/7
Anonymous No.151139110 [Report]
>Ratatouille wasn't for kids
It wasn't for adults either. Not much of a compelling story for adults (sewer rat befriending a dishwasher and controlling like him like a puppet so he becomes a great cook. No explanation as to why the rat goes through the trouble of helping him).
Anonymous No.151139132 [Report]
Ratatouille is definitely a Twilight Princess era movie. Another 2007 animated film that looks just as dated is TMNT.
Anonymous No.151139168 [Report] >>151141270
>>151137300 (OP)
If you understand how capitalists build and commies destroy, then you have your answer.

It's not just capitalism is 'le good' so much as it's sensical and as merit-based as humans are ever going to get, while commies pretending to care about everyone's feelings, (when of course they actually don't), is obviously a dysfunctional and counterproductive environment.

Picrel is worth a look, though it's unnecessarily long-winded, even this guy in the can tell you in 1988 why you don't hire 50% women or a pack of commies, (avoid more recent editions because I noticed some post-90's cucked language on his website).

tl;dr: An imbalance or excess of certain personality types at different stages of a companies growth cycle will fuck shit up royal. Even the founder themselves can easily screw shit up with their own brand of bullshit, and you're familiar with that if you've ever worked in a small business where the boss keeps most of the necessary day-to-day operating information in his own head.

This is just one faggot's model of shit people have been noticing in business and human organisations since day dot. That whenever you build shit it will tend to attract the wrong kind of people, ('people-people'), who only care about social status, looking important/virtuous, being in charge of other people, (ie. jannies and various other fuckwits), instead of actual productivity, whether it be manufacturing widgets or movie production, and what happens if you let the inmates run the asylum.

Worth reading since it helps you pick stonks and predict trends. Like I could see the rot creeping into both Disney and Marvel before they got to their peak and were earning billions per film, and was able to accurately predict it's decline and demise, (also why it can't recover and keeps spiraling), long before everyone else even knew there was a problem and failure seemed impossible or very far away, (so not just generalised shit like 'muh superhero fatigue').
Anonymous No.151139372 [Report]
>Ratatouille
>Really strong plot
Pick one. Inheritance subplot and Skinner wanting to start a frozen food line were boring.
Anonymous No.151139381 [Report]
>>151137317
>>151137326
>>151137356
>Studio becomes bad because the old talent left to do new things.
This is something that happens very often.
What happens to the old writers when they leave the studio? How often do they find success with their new projects after leaving a studio for another one?
Anonymous No.151139402 [Report] >>151139478
>>151137997
Everything after the first act of Wall-E was mid, and the ending was insulting to the audience's intelligence. Its a cool pixar short painfully stretched out to feature length

I understand criticisms with Rataouille, maybe its less than the sum of its parts idk, but I like it anyway. Remy himself is a likeable character
Anonymous No.151139440 [Report] >>151140486
>>151137300 (OP)
>What in the actual hell went wrong?

Look at how they couldn't quite land the movie "Soul".

I wish they made the spirit world in Soul more esoteric and cosmic; I liked the wiggly line depiction of the different divine beings, and then they had to ruin it with cliche cartoon heaven, Tina Fey bullshit, and pirate ships.

The scenes on Earth and the main character were good though.
Anonymous No.151139452 [Report]
tl;dr. Go back to /pol/.
Anonymous No.151139478 [Report]
>>151139402
>less than the sum of its parts idk
Ratatouille is perfect, don't apologize for it.
Anonymous No.151139500 [Report]
>>151138847
I'd say 3 can still be considered a good movie, not as good as the previous 2 but is still enjoyable. The only major problem was that it feels too similar with 2 especially with Lotso being a mix of Jessie and Pete and with an antagonistic comic relief Buzz.
The toys' dilemma at the start were grounded since they were mostly stored in a toy box without ever being played since Andy was a child. The daycare setting was nice and provided a great backdrop for the prison break. The ending would've been a nice way to end the series, but they decided to make Bonnie retarded in the next movie which ruins it.
Anonymous No.151140486 [Report]
>>151139440
I should watch Soul again, might appreciate it more on the second viewing
Anonymous No.151140515 [Report]
>>151137608
Nigga you lost to kpop and anime. Your fat black tranny hires did nothing.

Cry to janny little nigga
Anonymous No.151140600 [Report] >>151144175
>>151138904
Onward and Turning Red are both in my top 5 favorite Pixar films
Anonymous No.151140697 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Arguably nothing. Pixar has always coasted by on the rep of handful of quality films spiking interest between mediocre or even bad films. They simply couldn't keep up the ratio to stop people from losing interest and, even worse, starting to look at the films objectively beyond buying into Pixar's rep.
Anonymous No.151140780 [Report]
>>151138812
>>151138856
I think a major issue is people think in terms of "golden age" and somehow it always translates into older stuff. Disney's Golden Age is actually one of its most financially unsuccessful and critically panned eras while its Dark Age was both a critical darling and financial windfall for the company.
Anonymous No.151140799 [Report] >>151142002
>>151137907
Holy fucking based, Ratatouille is Cars-tier garbage.
Anonymous No.151141019 [Report]
>>151137317
Flippy bippy
Anonymous No.151141270 [Report] >>151141417
>>151139168
>so much as it's sensical and as merit-based
Stopped reading right there. Corporations have been fucking over competitors without ever improving their products since before bank notes began entering circulation. Capitalism and Communism both fail to understand just how much greed and pettiness influence human behaviour.
Anonymous No.151141299 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
They let Lassiter go
Anonymous No.151141417 [Report]
>>151141270
>Stopped reading
I bet you've done that a lot in your life. Explains why you're so fucking retarded. Congratulations.
Anonymous No.151141471 [Report]
>>151137725
>>151137907
You guys could have just said trash, overrated makes it sounds you are insecure at the fact the majority of people like it.
Anonymous No.151141917 [Report] >>151146485
>>151137342
Joe Ranft died in a car crash while Cars was in production. He was the real brains of their story department and the only one who could tardwrangle Lasseter.
Anonymous No.151141923 [Report] >>151142016
>>151137300 (OP)
Normies retardedly bought into the "bean mouth=bad" meme that originated from here because theyre retarded lemmings
Anonymous No.151142002 [Report] >>151142960
>>151140799
Disingenuous fag
Anonymous No.151142016 [Report]
>>151141923
Cope
Anonymous No.151142041 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
All their early movies had comedians or comic actors in lead roles, it seems like they don't really do that anymore. Not saying it's the cause, just a symptom
Anonymous No.151142059 [Report]
>>151138812
Astute observations.
Anonymous No.151142130 [Report]
>>151138415
This poster is a nigger.
When you see him,
pull the trigger.
Anonymous No.151142253 [Report] >>151142278
>>151138569
Pixar doesn't have a single movie that follows that formula. The closest is Ratatouille, but that movie doesn't have an evil animal chef for Remy to overcome.
Pixar's formula is, and always has been, 'what if X had feelings?' And they went downhill when the answer to that question became boring.
Anonymous No.151142268 [Report]
>>151138382
/thread
Anonymous No.151142278 [Report] >>151144202
>>151142253
No, it's "What if X lived in a society?" and every movie involves some kind of city and shoves in some variant on a car chase.
What kind of society do toys live in?
What kind of society do bugs live in?
What kind of society do monsters live in?
What are the social ramifications of being a superhero?
Suburban fish goes to the scary big city to find his son.
What if Cars ruled the world?
What if fairy tale creatures lived in suburbia?

Brave is the outlier just for being an attempt at doing a normal fairy tale.
Anonymous No.151142297 [Report]
Pixar didn't get bad. You just got old and bitter. They're not putting out as many masterpieces as they did in their early years anymore, but most of their movies are still really good.
Anonymous No.151142311 [Report] >>151142321
Why is half of this thread arguing about Ratatouille specifically?

Anyway, >>151137300 (OP) the answer is just that they became much more inconsistent. They can still do a genuinely great movie every once a in a while, but stuff like Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Cars 2, The Good Dinosaur, Brave or Lightyear simply isn't up to the same level as their 2000s stuff.
Anonymous No.151142321 [Report]
>>151142311
>Why is half of this thread arguing about Ratatouille specifically?
Give the autists their hyper-fixations, you KNOW there's nowhere else they can talk about them.
Anonymous No.151142605 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Internet made movies irrelevant except where they feed into influencer psych war and corporate hedge mazes.
Anonymous No.151142616 [Report]
I highly respect Pete Docter
By all accounts he seems like a genuinely great guy to work with and I love the films he directed but he's too nice to be a leader
Anonymous No.151142960 [Report]
>>151142002
You don't know the meaning of that word, retard.
Anonymous No.151143343 [Report] >>151143466
>Dreamworks in the mid 00s became known for making silly pop culture / celebrity heavy CG comedies ( Shrek 2, Shark Tale, Madagascar ) which were huge hits with the public
>Other lesser studios like Blue Sky and Vanguard tried to copy that successful formula, resulting in garbage like Robots and Happily N'ever After
>Critics loathed this formula and made it very clear everytime they got the chance
>Pixar was the only american studio that didn't follow that formula, staying true to their roots
It's obvious why movies like Incredibles and Ratatouille were treated as flawless masterpieces by critics. The simple fact that they didn't follow that formula found everywhere else was enough for critics to ignore all of their many problems. This is unfair and shouldn't be the case. Just because Pixar didn't try to copy Dreamworks doesn't mean they should be immune from criticism.
Anonymous No.151143466 [Report]
>>151143343
>Happily N'ever After
>never heard of it
>some google-fu later
dear god what in the fuck
Anonymous No.151143491 [Report] >>151143686
Can i just say that i don't really like Ratatouille's animation? It looks very mid 2000s. Back when bloom was popular in animation and games. It's a Twilight Princess era movie.
Anonymous No.151143644 [Report] >>151144597
>>151139076
Oh my god I will die with that anger in my heart, how in the fuck do you make 6 MOVIES and never get to Peter!?
Anonymous No.151143686 [Report]
>>151143491
>the mid 2000s movie looks very mid 2000s
Anonymous No.151143750 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
More like the last 15 years
Anonymous No.151143797 [Report] >>151146492
>>151137907
It was visually stunning, but I never understood the hype and the appraise. I thought it was boring, and you could smell the plot from a mile away. "Le rat gets found out ~~ le love interest betrayal misunderstanding, etc, etc." Now Ratatoing is a fucking masterpiece!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfAN8JRjdm0
Anonymous No.151143958 [Report]
>>151137725
The movie needed more slapstick like that poster suggests.
Frosch !!Tiq3ooE+FDE No.151143978 [Report]
>>151137300 (OP)
Weren't able to recreate that magical lunch. Also John Lasseter liked to touch and kiss people and got fired for it.
Anonymous No.151144175 [Report]
>>151140600
>2 generic slop movies on top 5 pixar movies
You desperately need to watch more stuff if you think these two films are doing anything noteworthy. Your taste is horrid.
Anonymous No.151144202 [Report]
>>151142278
>Brave is the outlier just for being an attempt at a Disney princess
FTFY.
Anonymous No.151144241 [Report] >>151144273
>>151137300 (OP)
You want to know what went wrong? My take is that Pixar without the novelty of how revolutionary CG Animation was would have never become iconic.

Its that CG animation novelty what carried them. I said it once and I'll say it again if Pixar's famous movies were hand drawn they would be failures. No one actually cares about things such as...

The lives of toys.

In fact toys as merchandise were DYING when Pixar made the first Toy Story. Bugs Life is considered a blunder. Monsters Inc is stupid, what if monsters are the ones scared of human children. Wall E is straight up propaganda. Think the only movie that Pixar made that holds up is Ratatouille.

Anyway once other studios could rival Pixar's CG quality like Dreamworks and more importantly illumination it was game over for Pixar. Pixar dealt with rival animation studios by claiming that theirs is the highest quality of CG animation itself. But once illumination became successful with their cheap formula for CG and normies ate it up it ensured Pixar was doomed. Turns out humans don't give a shit about quality animation for CG, they just want something that will shut their brats. And in a world where cheap CG is king, Pixar is worthless especially since their stories and characters are mostly lame.
Anonymous No.151144273 [Report] >>151144288
>>151144241
you might have one of the worst takes in the history of /co/
Anonymous No.151144288 [Report]
>>151144273
Thank for agreeing with the truth.
Anonymous No.151144315 [Report]
>>151137409
Disney is one hundred and one years old by now. But don't worry the Jews that infiltrated Disney are doing stellar working poisoning the company from the inside out. Iger will be known as the Jew who killed Disney.
Anonymous No.151144339 [Report] >>151144367
>>151137725
To me the most overrated Pixar film is The Incredibles. Terrible movie. The super heroes act like rotten celebrity primadonas and are "shocked" that it inspires criminals to swear lifelong vendettas against the heroes. And Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl are terrible parents, they permit their children to fight criminal psychos. No parent worth their salt would ever allow that. Its one thing that the kids helped their family at f irst but after Syndrome was defeated allowing their kids to fight consistently all kinds of evil criminals is horrid.

Hate how this bad movie is celebrated.
Anonymous No.151144352 [Report]
>>151138034
The hilarious thing about Ratatouille is try going to France in modern day and see how that country looks nothing like the movie.
Anonymous No.151144367 [Report]
>>151144339
weak bait
Anonymous No.151144597 [Report] >>151145164
>>151143644
What the fuck do the little girls watching fairy movies care about Peter Pan?
Anonymous No.151144968 [Report] >>151144991 >>151145047 >>151145202
>Classic Pixar
>Make movies because you wanted to
>NuPixar
>Make movies because you were hired to
Anonymous No.151144991 [Report]
>>151144968
Even Nelvanna's Hail Mary at Rock n' Rule was an attempt to get rich and famous.
You don't amass millions from investors to fool around in your garage.
Stop being naive.
Anonymous No.151145047 [Report]
>>151144968
At the end of the day man it’s a business, it’s not like they were ever making little indie passion projects.
Lovecraft’s cat No.151145060 [Report] >>151145227
>>151137300 (OP)
Political correctness
Anonymous No.151145083 [Report]
>>151137930
He wasn’t. Pixar’s decline began with a movie he directed
Anonymous No.151145164 [Report]
>>151144597

When you make a franchise about the early life of TINKER BELL, you’d think they’d eventually get to how she met Peter. Not to mention each movie referenced the 1953 film in some way

In fact, they WERE gonna make a movie about it. The working title was “Tink Meets Peter”

The director of “Meet the Robinsons” was directing it. Would’ve been a finale to the franchise and directly prelude the 1953 movie. It was canned since DVD sales were declining and for some reason, Lasseter didn’t want Peter Pan in them.

In that case, he should’ve just canned the original Tinker Bell film instead of demanding heavy reworks. The original draft was gonna have Peter Pan and ended where his film begin
Anonymous No.151145202 [Report] >>151146290 >>151146361
>>151144968

Onward, Luca, Turning Red and Elemental were all movies that were personal to their directors. Most people liked them.

Last year, a Pixar article came out which announced that they were gonna make their movies more universal. It’s already backfiring.

Pixar tried to make Elio more universal and it flopped hard
Anonymous No.151145227 [Report]
>>151145060
>Strawman
Anonymous No.151146290 [Report]
>>151145202
Universal? Have you seen their incoming film Hoppers? It's fucking stupid as sin. Hey everyone lets grab the Circle of Life from Lion King but as it turns out its an INTENTIONAL role play by the animals. See that herbivore? It wants to INTENTIONALLY be violently bitten to death and eaten by a carnivore. That is simply way too dumb even for western animation standards of being censored.
Anonymous No.151146361 [Report]
>>151145202
>Pixar tried to make Elio more universal and it flopped hard

Elio failed because its protagonist was entirely unappealing. Lets break this down....

Elio is an annoying little sperg who is obsessed with intentionally getting child abducted by aliens.

That's his character. Design wise he looks lame, not as lame as Steven Universe but nowhere near as stylish and cool as Ben from Ben Ten. So boys aren't going to root for this dweeb. And girls? Girls like handsome pretty boys they don't need to be competent since girls loved Eugene from Tangled even though he was useless. So why would girls find Elio appealing? He's ugly then again Pixar has never been good at designing cool male characters. So no girl would be thrilled at seeing Elio.

Elio as a character has a weird motivation and design wise he's unappealing to both sexes. Auto failure.
Anonymous No.151146379 [Report] >>151146445
>>151137300 (OP)
Pixar wasn't a bunch of films and IP. It was a collection of people. And those people are gone now. So there is no more Pixar.
Anonymous No.151146445 [Report]
>>151146379
Worse than that have you seen for example Lassetter's Non Pixar offerings? Spellbound is terrible. And I doubt his adaptation of Jack and the Beanstalk will work out.
Anonymous No.151146485 [Report]
>>151141917
>Joe Ranft died in a car crash while Cars was in production
Ironic
Anonymous No.151146492 [Report]
>>151143797
Precisely!