Thread 151142300

ALASTOR IS ENSLAVED BY ROSIE fuck You hahaha Enjoy the episodez!!

>>151142300 (OP)
>LOOK AT MY HECKIN' SCREENCAPPERINO IT'S CANON
>no real proof
many such cases, post Mega or gtfo

>>151142300 (OP)
KWAB Alastor

Its been an entire eleven minutes and nobody has pirated it yet, shame.

>>151142300 (OP)
Cool

>>151142300 (OP)
Viv resorting to, "As you already know ... ", writing to go into Alastor's backstory.

Jesus. Really Viv? It takes literally two fucking minutes of thought to come up with a better way.

>>151142406
that is how bad the new season is. No one wants to even pirate it.

>>151143265
We already know she's a hack. It is known.
You're here for the poorly written melodrama about hell with the catchy songs.

>>151143649
Do you think Vox isn't in the know about Alastor being black or does that play a part his humiliation fetish?

>>151142300 (OP)
>white woman chaining up colored man and using him as her plaything
Incredibly based. viv is verbalasepilled.

NOW I'M THE MASTER, AND YOU'RE MY BOTTOMEST BITCH
NO MORE AL, THE HIGH AND MIGHTY
NOW THAT I FLIPPED THE SWITCH
THOUGH THE RADIO'S GONE DEAD YOU KNOW THE SHOW MUST GO ON
BY THE TIME I'VE HAD MY FUN
YOU'LL WISH THAT YOU HAD STAYED GONE

>>151142351
Bro ur on copium lmao

Anyone got the mega for the latest two episodes?

>>151143954
>(((white woman)))
FIFY

>>151142300 (OP)
Agaisnt all /co/ expectations, Alastor was not raped, but put in the cuck chair, and i cant decide if thats better or worse.

it's ogre

>>151146607
Vox wants him to be jealous and want him back so badly but it'll never happen kek. He probably hoped it'd do anything other than disgust him.

...man, Alastor got pathetic fast.

At least Alastor let himself be taken prisoner as part of a scheme. The Lucifer hypnosis/capture will just be downright pathetic. This is the Morningstar fuck up season.

>>151146691
Is that confirmed? Would be funny if Lucifer jobs that hard

>brown mutt man
>he gets enslaved

>>151146607
>Charlie was accidentally retconned into being a pedo dating a 7 year old

>>151142300 (OP)
What the fuck? This makes no sense.

>>151146750
More or less confirmed now. I bet he also blurts out in front of everyone that he agreed to the exterminations and solidifies Hell on the Vees' side. Like father like daughter. Lilith should have beat them more.

>>151146607
I told you fuckers back when the leaks came out that they would not be that ballsy.

>>151146866
I can't believe alastor in bondage leak was real
Thought it was well done fan art

>>151146894
Never doubt the Russians.

>>151142300 (OP)
>Gets a hot lady in his room without even trying
Baxter is so based.

>we meet the SPEAKER of God this season
>she sings a line about needing to find your own voice to atone
>Vox means voice
It's all coming together and he's going to fucking hate it

>>151142300 (OP)

This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONDS

>>151146924
Begone wench, a man already knows what harlots does to a respectable gentleman

>>151146924
Can they give him more scenes, I hate that they spedrun the heaven shit in season 1 because it means less screentime for characters like him and more on the poorly-thought-out plot.

>>151143992
>Alastor was a boostingfag this whole time
Fucking shameful

Vivzie sure loves putting the one asexual character in sexual positions

>>151144020
So what the fuck is Al's plan here? Let Vox become top dog and just expect a Zenkai boost from his deal?

>>151146963
If Vox is the strongest sinner in hell that means Rosie failed to fulfill her end of their bargain, so either their deal is broken or Alastor automatically gets a power boost. But he's clearly banking on the former happening because he wants out from under Rosie's hold.

so why is cherry in love with snake man? The whole I DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE HIM BAKKA thing feels so stupid and insincere. She gets turned on once by him being selfless and then starts singing how much their battling meant to her? I don't get what she wants

>>151146963
Vox can't lay a finger on Charlie, Charlie CAN lay a finger on Vox.

>>151146982
Absence makes the heart grow fonder

>>151146978
However if he WILLINGLY gives up doesn't the sort of not effect the deal? He's still the strongest, but nothings broken if he just up and quits.

>alastor does not have a tail
A lot of bootleg merch sellers have gotta be real disappointed right about now.

>>151147004
>However if he WILLINGLY gives up doesn't the sort of not effect the deal?
Sorry are you talking about Alastor or Vox here?

>Katie Killjoy says the Exterminations have only been going on for seven years
>despite Charlie’s book, that reads like a children’s storybook, mentioning the Exterminations
It makes no sense and I genuinely hope Viv addresses this somehow.

>>151147024
Alastor. That's just trying to fraud your way out of a contract.

>>151146982
She took him for granted and she misses him now that he’s gone. Adding the new information that he loved her enough to sacrifice himself for her and that he has two dicks just fuels the budding attraction there more.

>>151147027
Charlie was a VERY stupid teenager and needed a picture book to explain it.

>>151147027
Yeah, that was weird, had to do a double take. It makes no sense really.

>>151146771
Bizarre choice. Exterminations are written like a fixture of Hell. With the grand timescale and the functional immortality of the characters, 7 years is nothing. It's virtually nothing for mortals as well. I also feel that way about Lilith's disappearance. She's an ancient being who has been gone for maybe one ten-thousandth of a percent of her total existence. It feels too contemporary. Overpopulation and Lilith's threat seem like they would be ancient problems.

>>151147037
The contract was kind of bullshit to begin with, honestly
>I'll make you the strongest sinner if you complete this task
>Seems fair, what task?
>The next one

>>151146866
Are we not going to talk about Vox's nipples being rectangular?

>>151147037
If it wasn't covered in the terms of their contract than I don't see how it's fraud. Vox already had ambitions of becoming a god before Alastor surrendered himself.

>>151147061
There might have been breaks or its old history. Almost all of the current sinners in Hell are probably pretty recent in terms of time (as in probably extremely few if any over 1000 let alone older)

>>151147027
>>151147053
Charlie watches disney princess movies, collects teddy bears, and reads little golden books as a full grown adult. Picture books and showtunes are her preferred mediums for having things explained.

>>151146924
Baxter is Eridan if he never went to Hot Topic
https://www.youtube.com/live/3BIMDNPtahQ?si=9dN4l0MRFSO-i2AC&t=4697

>>151147077
yeah it's really hot

>>151146924
His matter of fact sarcastic humor is starting to grow on me.

It’s fucking weird that he and Pentious used to be basically friends when Pentious’s whole deal was that he was a lonely friendless loser.

>>151147113
Yeah it’s weird like Zestial is called the oldest Overlord, and he’s maybe 500-600 based on his ye old Shakespearean speech?
Where are the millennia old ancient sinners and overlords then? If the exterminations have been going on for thousands of years it would explain them wiping out any truly old Sinners.

>>151147141
Baxter is probably newer in Hell and their partnership seemed short-lived, so Pentious has probably been on his own for most of his time in Hell.

>>151146924
Cherri Bomb is a sex bomb IN BAXTER'S LA-BRI-TOR-REE!!

>>151147141
Poor guy goes to hell, reinvents himself as a mad engineer out for conquest, finally makes his first friend and turns out the lil fish fella is basically Mengele.

>>151147174
We have like no details on it but there are ways for at least Overlords to at least "disappear" other sinners, because Alastor showed up one day and started taking other Overlords out.

>>151147004
You'd think Rosie would know better than to make a deal with so many potential loopholes unlike dumbass Vox, but plot dictates no. It may just be that simple to break her deal.

>>151147004
Yeah that's why he didn't get out of the deal when he surrendered. The plan is to make sure Vox succeeds or at least gets close to it with whatever bullshit plan he has for Heaven.

>vizie makes a second season of a show
>it goes into full blown fanfiction territory and shipper bait
I mean it's not surprising knowing her roots but its disappointing she always does this to her characters. It is the winning formula for indie animation though

>>151147011
>Fans coping that Vox is lying
Viv said long ago that she couldn't picture Alastor with a tail. Fans never should have gotten so attached .

>>151147233
>it goes into full blown fanfiction territory
How can it be fanfic if it's her story

>>151147218
To be fair, the microphone seems crucial to tap into whatever thing keeps Alastor at the top, who could have predicted that that dumbass would have gone against the leader of the exterminators and broken it, all while another powerful overlord vis going on a major power trip? The really dumb thing Rosie did was not fix the staff immediately, but I guess she wanted to teach Alastor a lesson

>>151147204
Mengele was very good at making friends among people he saw as human. He probably would’ve put in a good word for his old lab partner when he moved on to a better job.

Also Baxter doesn’t seem like that much of a sadistic torture fetishist so I don’t get your point at all. Worst we’ve seen Baxter do is make roaches and eggs roid out.

>>151147233
Sounds like you are just mad that your fan theory didn’t come true.

>>151147138
I need more HD pics if Vox being naked in bed.

Another thing the whole 7 years of exterminations kinds of fucks with?
Carmilla Carmine.
Her whole rise to being a top Overlord, important enough that when she calls a meeting everyone shows up, yet her entire monopoly is based on her producing weapons made from angelic steel.
Yet now apparently she rose that high super quickly and it doesn’t add up.

>>151147329
You wouldn't hurt birb mom

>>151146607
now I understand why Alastor is being considered the greatest of all jobbers. When fighting with Adam, he not only came in unprepared, he actually boasted about being able to take him on, and then got his ass handed to him in a matter of seconds. People expect the big scary to be actually aware of the extent of their ability. Thats why powerful people scheme, to leverage their power for even more power. Now this guy, he jobs after jobs, and prolly has no idea why. Even the bat guy knows and is disgusted by the alastor's inability to disguise his chains well enough. I say, even if alastor becomes the god himself, it wont make up for all the jobbing he been through.

>>151146691
No amount of power can overcome a depression broken weak mind I guess.

>>151146771
>Charlie was accidentally retconned into being a pedo dating a 7 year old
Mr Policeman I swear I thought she was 12

>>151147077
I wish he had a more robotic body.

>>151147174
Either wiped out by old purges or went full Hell Illuminatti and hiding in the shadows pulling strings

>>151146771
>these angels are children

>>151147330
She was a weapons dealer when she was alive, so she either lucked out with the timing of her death and worked FAST, or she initially just made regular weapons and gained power through that.

>>151147464
That explains so much about them though. Like how they're all idiots. Shit that could even (barely) explain why Vaggie didn't know angelic steel can hurt angels.

>>151147470
Actually, if anything, if the angelic weapons dealing had been going for hundreds of years, it’d be weird it was still so underground and secret.

mega anywhere?

>>151147464
>Adam named every member of his loli harem after cunny.
Hm.

>>151147464
Charlie groomed a child soldier into being a lesbian and a satanist.

>>151147521
He's trying to experience the childhood he never had.

>>151147521
>probably use whatever tech was used to make your ex-wives to make yourself an army of fully-grown psychos who are lowkey obsessed with you
what the fuck adam

>>151147174
I want my Ooga-booga overlord

>White woman owning a black man as a "pet"
Uh oh, that's not good. Is Vivziepop going to be labeled a racist now? Was Helluva Boss secretly based the whole time?

>>151147547
The poor guy only has so many ribs to spare.

>>151147572
Uhhh, hellooo. Rosie is jewish??? Didn’t you get the memo? Bigot.

>>151147547
You wouldn't do that too if you were him?

>>151147544
He grew up in the Garden of Eden. He literally had the best childhood of any human ever.

>>151147587
Jews are white.

AHHHHHHHHHHH

>>151147645
Yeah man.

>>151147547
The “tech” to make Lilith was god hocked a loogie into dirt.

>>151147645
Oh hey he's got Niffy's roach king crown

Bro... This so sad, bro...

>>151147675
People really want Alastor redeemed.

>>151147631
Only when they need to be.

So why are the victims that died on earth not in this show. The people that pentious allowed to be murdered are presumably in heaven somewhere and should have a say on whether their killers could be forgiven. I'm sure angel dust is going to be redeemed because his father is a bad guy that got murdered but pentious did nothing to stop innocents from dying. Exterminate hell

>>151147699
The most Viv will do is Abel but I doubt she'll even have him mention Cain.

>>151147699
>and should have a say on whether their killers could be forgiven.
Why though

So, among these options, which do you think is most likely to be Alastor's plan?
>Alastor makes Vox become the strongest sinner, and therefore his deal with Rosie is broken and he is set free, or she gives him even more power to become superior to Vox again.
>Alastor wants Charlie to somehow break his contract with Vox, but also break his contract with Rosie without Charlie realizing it.
>Alastor will try to make Vox want to kill Rosie for some reason, causing her to die or need to heal Alastor so he can help her.

>>151146771
>>151147464
Wait what? Like, were they already fully grown and became Exterminators, or were they made from the ground up JUST seven years prior.

>>151147750
All we know about the Exorcists so far is they are Heavenborn angels.

>>151147521
>The First man is a man of culture
checks out

>>151147734
>>Alastor will try to make Vox want to kill Rosie for some reason, causing her to die or need to heal Alastor so he can help her.
Bingo. He'll spill the beans that Rosie gave him his power and tell him to take Rosie down.

>>151147731
Because I don't think anyone wants someone who raped and murdered them to be allowed to live in the same place just because they're sorry about it. The show will hopefully draw a line somewhere when it starts talking more about murder with Angel Dusty's story

I know talking about the abundance of cursing in the show is beating a dead horse, but I really need the writers to stop using the phrase "What in the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKKKKKK" because nobody says that and especially not with that much weight put into fuck.

>>151147699
>The people that pentious allowed to be murdered are presumably in heaven
If being a coward is enough to send you hell I doubt a half dozen of prostitutes would be able to go heaven

>>151147784
Heaven's an infinite space, just go somewhere else.

WHERE IS THE FUCKING MEGA???

>>151147699
>the people that pentious allowed to be murdered are presumably in heaven
They were hookers, anon. They probably aren’t in Heaven.

I think pic related had better old vox designs than what we got, especially 50's and 90's.

>>151147734
>Alastor makes Vox become the strongest sinner, and therefore his deal with Rosie is broken and he is set free,
This one. We already know that nobody dies this season so Vox isn't going after Rosie.

>>151147784
why do you think what they want even matter in the face of the judgment of a souls nature ?

>>151147784
>I don't think anyone wants someone who raped and murdered them to be allowed to live in the same place just because they're sorry about it
A good christian would want exactly that. The entire theme of the show is forgiveness, dumbass.

>>151147770
We don't even know what happens when you make two deals. Rosie and Vox could end up just going to war over Alastor's soul.

Maybe his plan is to make the cannibals fight Voxtek causing Rosie to give him back his powers to fight Vox only for Rosie to be killed and implicating Charlie in the process causing Vox to break his end of that contract.

>>151147547
>They've been mass produced exclusively to carry on the exterminations
>Which means they don't have a long lifespan like other angels
>Meaning didn't start a deeper relationship with lute because she will die young and leave him alone for the third time
>Even vaggie with get old soon and perish
Oh no...

WOW HAHA IS LIKE CHARLIE ON DRUGS OR SOMETHING HAHA THATS WHAT SHE SAID

>>151147683
Alastor seems pretty irredeemable. He was a fucking serial killer.
But Charlie saying "I believe anyone can be redeemed" is a bit of a Chekhov's Gun so who knows.

>>151147784
I hope so too, because imagine if they go all in on him being a truly bloodthirsty mafia type and he STILL gets into heaven. that said, they seem to be setting up a more sympathetic angle for his history with him now confirmed to have killed his father. chances are, he was just coerced into the family business without any genuine want to hurt people, and later snapped on his truly evil mafioso father. part of me is reluctant about the yaoi spider having a predictably more woobifying "he wasn't REALLY a murderer!" backstory, but I appreciate that those are the only kinds of sins that can believably be redeemed

Man, Charlie is so naive it hurts.

>>151147675
>Makes a deal with a demon to use them for Hell power to keep killing and controlling others
>"H-he's traumatized by being used and having no friends!"
At some point it has to be clear he's a victim of nothing but his own evil bullshit. How do people still feel sorry for him?

>>151147675
This guy is missing that Alastor might give half a shit about Nifty. Probably because she’s so pure and innocent and she might actually love him unconditionally.

>>151147868
honestly I think these last few episodes have really been pushing the line between naive and stupid. Charlie believing the Vees wouldn't inherently want to slander her for ratings is naivety, Charlie trusting the Vees to not do that again the very next day is her being written like a total moron

>>151147683
Vox's "can I be redeemed" is definitely foreshadowing some bullshit, especially since we saw a flashback of him a plucky startup. He's either going to actually be redeemable somehow (which would be really bad writing so that's what my money is on) or he and Alastor are going to be a lesson about needing to actually want to be redeemed for it to work.

>>151147840
Nigga this show isn't for Christians lol. It retcons the Bible in the opening of season 1

>>151147734
Just the first one on breaking his deal. Nothing is going to happen to Rosie/Lilith yet. And the Charlie caveat is going to get him out of the Vox deal. Then either he'll have the power to heal himself or Charlie will happily do it with newly discovered power or bully Lucifer to. As of now, it doesn't seem like he has to call in the Charlie favor yet.

>>151147868
I don't think she is naive
She might be retarded

>>151147869
it's insane because even Alastor knows he's a pure evil piece of shit, that's why he made his deal with Rosie, because even he knew he was going straight to hell! fujobrain is a dangerous condition, I suppose...

>>151146771
when was it established that the exorcists were created for the exterminations and didn't exist as individuals before thhat?

>>151147922
>it retcons the bible
So did Jesus.
And the catholic church is mostly fanfiction.

>>151147922
No matter what you think about the show itself, the winner characters in heaven seem pretty christian. Abel crosses himself. He also seems to have put up with his dad being a dick to him for thousands of years.

>>151147922
>>151147944
The bible is a retcon of the Talmud kek.

I'm glad that Alastor is just an evil asshole

>>151147930
IIRC there was something about Adam making the exorcists but I can't remember where it was said

>>151147964
it's definitely heavily implied with the mention of him naming Vaggie, but if it's outright stated somewhere then I haven't seen that statement

>>151147930
NTA but I think it stems from the fact Adam named them

>>151147869
Look I get Why but I don't think it should've been implied that Alastor only went after rich white people. If that happened in the fucking South in the 1930s, the National Guard would've been ordered to raze it to find him. Damn I don't wanna think about what they did with his corpse.

>>151147645
I don’t even like this character but this part was objectively hot.

Why do they keep giving Vox the best songs, been looping Once We Get Up There for the past few days and now I'm looping Don't You Forget Reprise for the entire day.

>>151147987
>>151147989
I think Adam naming things is just a reference to him naming the animals in Eden.

>>151147858
It's still a cop-out IMO. I can buy him being less violent as a human, getting out the dirty work because he's the don's son, but he's got to have done something shitty. Nobody works in the mafia without hurting someone.

>>151147841
>We don't even know what happens when you make two deals.
you shouldnt be allowed to make conflicting deals, tho I have no idea how they work. We know they have a binding power, going well above the abilities of the single individuals, even powerful ones

>>151147784
>The show will hopefully
I dont suppose you are aware how vivzie operates

>>151147998
And I completely forgot to add it makes Alastor too ehhh "soft", I guess. Like this guy didn't have a sense of justice, it's fine if he killed a poor or brown person.

Whose more retarded, Val or Charlie?

>>151147868
Charlie is difficult to watch, the show is being carried by the ensamble

>>151147930
I remember Vaggie was a human at once point but I guess that was retconned.

>>151148057
I still say Charlie.

>>151148057
Charlie, without question.

Why does no one respect Charlie when she's literally the daughter of the ruler of Hell?
Why does her dad not instantly smite the people who keep shitting on her?

>>151148057
Charlie is retarded in that she can't read a room. Val is retarded in that if you gave him something especially sparkly he'd be distracted by it.

>>151148094
It's almost like Hazbin Hotel takes place in the pride ring of Hell and all the sinners there are prideful.

>>151148008
Best part is he's in at least five more songs based on those emojis in the soundtrack.

>>151148094
>Why does her dad not instantly smite the people who keep shitting on her?
Her dad doesn't give a fuck about the people there.

>>151148019
oh absolutely, it'd be dumb to have him be another "he just didn't PREVENT murder" case like Pentious. what I'm saying is they have room to give his backstory a more forgivable middle ground - he was still willing to take part in and occasionally commit murders for his own sake, but he's not a pleasure driven serial killer like Alastor. that way he'd have a lot to genuinely repent and atone for, but it's still believable that part of him really is a good person who simply let fear or desperation lead to cruelty and selfishness

Considering how openly homophobic she is, is Katie Killjoy aware that her boss Vox is clearly gay?

>>151148094
Except for maybe Lilith the Morningstars aren't respected by sinners. From their perspective Lucifer and Charlie just loaf around in their palaces all day. Lucifer especially doesn't give them a reason to be afraid of him.
>>151148110
They're stuck on Pride because it's what Lucifer ordered, not because that's where they naturally ended up.

>>151148133
Seeing as she keeps trying to get him to fuck her, I don't think she knows

>>151148094
multiple reasons:
Sinners are inherently a disrespectful and rude bunch.
Charlie is weak and nice, which everyone in Hell would laugh at.
The Royal family gets no respect because they dont involve themselves with Sinners besides Lilith used to empower them.

>>151147868
Charlie is demon Skyla.

>>151148146
You have to be pretty prideful to end up in Hell to begin with anon. That's why it is the worst sin. It takes pride to not ask for forgiveness.

>>151148094
Those questions have already been answered within the show. Pay better attention, your majesty.

Vox is the most homosexual character on the show. There's deviant homos like Angel and Val, but then there are the real deal homos who act bashful and catch feels for other men. Helluva Boss? More like Helluva Gay lol oh wait wrong show.

>>151148133
has she said anything homophobic against gay men? because I think it's all been aimed at Charlie and derogatory of lesbians unless I'm forgetting. it could be she's just a fujo who thinks gay dudes are hot but is genuinely phobic towards lesbians

>>151148057
nifty going anime was so out of place, also the highlight of the episode. Also, how come when the westerner does an anime take, it actually looks better than most of the anime itself

>>151148057
Charlie is what I'd call a friendly psychopath. Emily is the same way.

>>151147998
It was kind of brilliant of Viv. To Alastor, the gravest possible sin is looking down on him, because he's an evil narcissist. So him killing mostly white men is fully in character because that would be who he had a cultural inferiority complex to. But it also gives his fangirls a justification to latch onto to pretend his morals aren't purely about his ego and nothing more. She threads that needle expertly, I have to hand it to her.

>>151148094
Because Charlie is kind which people see as weak.
Lucifer could fuck them up, but that would hurt his relationship with Charlie which is more important to him.

>>151148163
Ok but that doesn't matter, it's canon that Lucifer locked all of the sinners in Pride.

>>151148188
Charlie is the opposite of a psychopath. Perhaps you mean to say she's Manic.

>>151147998
H H Holmes killed a lot of rich white people before he got caught.

>>151148180
>Sinners are TRASH
>And they are ASSHOLES
When did Niffty get so based?

>>151148218
Hmm fair enough.

>>151148008
Same, Christian Borle's voice is perfect for the role. He just sounds so good!

>Vox is being called a rapist for making Alastor watch him fuck Val
Is that really that bad?

>>151148057
Val's just a himbo but Charlie is genuinely retarded at times

>>151148133
She thinks Val and Vox are just really good friends. She respects Vox and nobody she respects could possibly be gay so obviously the two make Vees put their tongues in each other’s mouths for totally platonic reasons.

>>151148026
vox will never be as sexy as tenna...pitiful

>>151148094
They do show deference to a degree, like Valentino at first, but they know she's a marshmallow and Lucifer was MIA until recently so they weren't that worried about him.

For Lucifer, it's a combo of not wanting to upset Charlie and just not being a violent guy by nature unless really pushed. Adam had to threaten Charlie's life directly several times before Lucifer finally got serious and put him down, and even then he could have gone harder than he did.

>>151148269
Only if you're a cuckold that's deluded into thinking that sitting in a chair and watching is a form of participating in the sex act

>>151148170
More like Hazbin Gay the Whole Time. More like Homo Hotel.

What is Rosie's power level? Why can Rosie make Alastor the most powerful sinner in hell? Why isn't she the most powerful sinner?

>>151148317
She's a demon, not a sinner

>>151148317
Very good questions!

>>151148317
She’s secretly Lilith in disguise.

>>151148317
>Lilith larping as Rosie theory

>>151148342
>theory

kek the twitter community is seething.
>watches show about ruthless sinners set in Hell

>idk you guise, this fanservice moment where a serial killer is sat in a cuck chair is just kinda triggering uwu

>>151148317
Its obvious Rosie isn't a Sinner Overlord like she pretends to be, so the leak that its actually Lilith is making sense.
Now WHY Lilith decides to larp as a funny jewish cannibal lady for the last century or so we dont know but surely has a good reason.

>>151148094
Because you can’t have real evil or real conflicts in character designs in a show like this. You can’t have Lucifer or Charlie showcase their real power or position because then the entirety of the conflict goes away. Realistically Lucifer, being a fallen angel and knowing what would happen if someone like Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael got involved if hell becoming a real threat. He would kill/imprison the vees to keep Heaven from escalating. Charlie should understand more than anyone due to age and her parents that people have to want to be saved/redeemed, and there are plenty of people in hell that feel no remorse and should stay there

Also why do people keep saying Alastor is black? He’s clearly just a tan guy, probably from a lower class family which would explain the tan. If he was a minority it would be indian

>>151146771
bruh
Chaggie sisters, how are we feeling about the revelation that Vaggie may only be 7 years old?

>>151148350
Or Rosie has a deal with Lilith.
Or Rosie has a deal with Roo.

>>151148349
these people know Vox is like, the bad guy, right? I'm not denying that Vivzie probably really enjoyed drafting the gay cucking humiliation scene, but in canon it was just an evil character doing appropriately evil things (to another evil character who we shouldn't pity, at that)

>>151148369
I hope Roo doesn’t exist and the writers room got rid of the concept/character. It’s dumb and invalidates everyone else with “le secret bigbad”. It’s never implemented well

>>151148353
>Also why do people keep saying Alastor is black?
Because Viv confirmed he's mixed years ago and he even speaks one of them Southern languages in the episode.

>>151148317
Because she's the Final Boss.

>>151148400
>I hope Roo doesn’t exist
Oh anon Viv literally confirmed she exists like three weeks ago.
>>151148381
To some sensitive folk sexual assault is one of those crimes that are just TOO evil to be depicted.

>>151148349
>Accounts @deerlydepart follows or mentioned can reply
You can tell this bitch has paper-thin skin just from this alone.

>>151148349
People who give a shit about their made up """special""" sexualities should not be considered as having average human intelligence.

>>151148400
You are talking like somebody that has hope for this show, if so I pity you. Vivzie has a high school notebook filled with 20 seasons of this shit she wrote when she was 14.

>>151148365
Charlie is mentally 7 so it balances out

>>151148402
She should have designed him more like a mixed man and not a black dutch then.

>>151148341
I was thinking that too.

>>151148438
>that pic

I can't help but think that Charlie being desperate to prove to the public and to people who don't like her that she's right, only to humiliate herself and dig a deeper hole for herself, is very self-referential about Vivzie. The episode is even co-written by her.
It would have been ten times funnier if the Vees hadn't manipulated the truth and just shown her making a clown out of herself. Really, there was no need to manipulate the footage; she did herself no favors.

>>151148400
Viv already confirmed she's coming, and even finished some recording for future seasons.
I'm looking forward to it, I just love this turbo edgy ass design for some reason.

>>151148438
>>151148453
Does this make the Speaker Mr. Boss?

>>151148353
That's the thing, he's "part French Creole" which can literally mean anything kek. French Creole can be anything from white French, Spanish, native or black or any mix of them together. (White people practiced voodoo back in the day too.) He's just swarthy and it doesn't matter.

>The term Créole was originally used to distinguish people born in Louisiana from those born elsewhere, thus drawing a distinction between Old-World Europeans (or Africans) and their descendants born in the New World. The word is not a racial label and people of European, African, or mixed ancestry can and have identified as Louisiana Creoles since the 18th century.

>>151148464
Has anybody figured out who is voicing her yet.

>>151148464
>Those long fingers
What's the connection to Camilla.

>>151148491
How would we even go about doing that, look at who Viv follows on social media??

>>151147820
>Vox's face reflecting the various animation styles of each decade
okay that's clever

>>151148427
>>151148415
Man that’s really bad. Viv truly needed two to three retard wranglers like George Lucas used to have. Honestly you just need one, maybe two people to interrupt the creatives word vomit to suggest changing a few things so the story isn’t convoluted and haphazard. Protagonist is entirely unlikable. Only characters people like are the antagonists because they actually have character development/flaws and the quirky quip filled lucifer/alastor

>>151148514
I don't fucking know, that's why I asked. He said they had finished a recording session so there is one.

>>151148524
>Protagonist is entirely unlikable.
Nah I love Charlie, she's an idiot goat but she's my idiot goat

why would Lillith need to larp as some cannibal

>>151148524
>Wranglers
She is literally top of her niche because of this shit writing. The pilot would never have gotten as much traction if it wasn't for autistic, parasocial tumblrinas that spend all day drawing porn.

>>151148530
I mean we still don't even know who's voicing Lilith, and she's more likely to show up and talk this season than Roo will in S4 or whenever.
They're actually doing a good job at hiding some shit despite how leaky the rest of the show has been.

It's quite sad how much Charlie sucks as the protagonist. Not only does she continue to act as naive as she did at the beginning of the series (in fact, I would say she's even more naive now), but she doesn't move the plot forward at all. Everything that happens is because other characters act. Even the confrontation with the Vees seems like it's going to be more about whatever Alastor's plan is than anything else.

Who the FUCK is Roo

>>151148542
Because Eve is larping as her.

>>151146985
Charlie cant, her and Al's agreement was that she wouldn't hurt anyone.

>>151148567
Might be Eve
might be the Root of All Evil
maybe both
WE JUST DONT KNOW

>>151148568
why would everybody need to larp as each other

>>151148567
The super duper final boss big bad no take backsies.

>>151148567
Eve. She became the Roo(t) of all Evil.

>>151148547
It got her in the door, but instead of her ego going wild she should have taken the season 2 + 3 agreement and said “wow I can make something amazing here, I should bring in some people to help make this as good as possible” I thought helluva would function as her offshoot for bad ideas but I guess not

>>151148567
Root of All Evil. The force darkness thingy from Charlie’s storybook way back in episode 1 that is then never brought up again.

>>151148567
the Root of Evil
Also known as Capitalism, or Capy

>>151148571
Alastor doesn't have to use his favor to get Charlie to fight Vox; he literally doesn't have to do anything, and Charlie will go on her own or send Lucifer to fight Vox to save Alastor for being her friend.

>>151148580
Eternity made them bored I guess.

I quite enjoyed the fight scene with Alastor vs. the Vees

>>151148567
Kaguya/Black Zetsu from Naruto. Both literally and from a story perspective

>>151148567
This

Someone asked for this last thread

>>151148638
This song was unfathomably based

>>151148604
>be lillith
>charlie born
>still bored as fuck
>start a larping group
>eve somehow attends
>larping with eve is more interesting than looking after charlie
>screw looking after charlie, let's make the larping group top priority!

>>151148349
>an ace man
who is he talking about? He is not talking about Alastor now is he?

>The root of all evil is women
Bravo Vivziepoop

>>151148631
>evil tree entity right next to fake Lilith posters
How subtle.

>>151148349
Best part of the episode was Vox confirming Alastor doesn't have a tail.

>>151148353
>If he was a minority it would be indian
puts the whole redeeming thing in a new light

>>151148677
Yeah Alastor is asexual

Charlie you need to start hitting people with hammers

>>151148677
It’s what you call a character you don’t want to commit to a ship or make sexuality a key part of their character. Basically, any single heterosexual person who isn’t actively involved in or perusing a romantic relationship

>>151148747
She could've just said that Alastor is bi but extremely uninterested in sexual or romantic relationships

Just dropping in to point out that we are halfway through the season and nothing substantial has happened yet to progress the plot.

>>151148787
Wow you're so hot and clever

>>151148777
>She could've just said that Alastor is bi but extremely uninterested in sexual or romantic relationships
kek, have a (you), anon

Honestly with how much he's panting and into this whole "rivalry" with Vox, I figure Alastor is Ace but also incredibly horny for the tv man but just has no idea how to process it.
Like he's never experienced love or lust before, and these wild feelings confuse the fuck out of him so he acts like an asshole to everyone he likes.

>>151148802
Read that in Valentino's voice. Also I wasn't trying to be clever, I was just reminding you.

>>151148787
thats good, it means its not being rushed, this lacks cuz it doesnt let the characters breathe, tho we have so many of them I dont even think its possible to let them all get fleshed out

>>151148812
Hey she's the one who keeps putting Alastor in all sorts of Situations but she also clearly doesn't want to commit to the idea of him being attracted to someone. Just fucking say it's not important to him and everyone can be happy.

Hearing Alastor scream-laugh
>Oh, FUCK!
in incredulity made me kek so hard

>>151148787
What even IS the plot at this point?

>>151148833
>mfw he made Vox cry

>>151148349
YOU'RE GOING TO TIE ME TO A CHAIR AND MAKE ME WATCH YOU AND VALENTINO?!?! WHILE I'M POWERLESS TO DO ANYTHING??

>>151148851
>FRIENDS?!!

>>151148845
Remember as a kid when you played with all sorts of different dolls/action figures and made nonsensical crossover stories with convoluted plots that you just eventually dropped because you got bored and did something else?

That

>>151148638
>This song
Same energy
https://youtu.be/10S428LRcUY?t=69

>>151148787
I noticed that in the past decade, most shows use their second seasons to set the pieces, rather than move story forward. That's why most of the time they feel a bit lackluster.

>and now you finally have me but you still rely on others for your power. like ALWAYS.

Pot, meet kettle

>>151146607
I know people want to make jobber/cuck jokes, and they can since Vox is playing into the humiliation ritual, but let's not overlook Alastor letting himself get capture is part of a grander plot to break out of the deal. Once he escapes the deal with Rosie he might become an actual threat.

>>151148885
What other shows do that?

Did Val and Velvette made a deal with Vox? Does he own them?

>>151148919
>Did Val and Velvette made a deal with Vox?
No, they're a team like how Vox wanted to be with Alastor.

>>151148919
It would make sense since he funds them both.

>>151148871
Amazing.

>>151148342
Every Hazbin theory is just spin the wheel between Lilith, Roo and Rosie it's so fucking boring

Mega ?

>>151148845
>Charlie is trying to prove the hotel actually works and failing horribly
>Vox is planning rebellion against Heaven
>Alastor is looking for a way out of his deal with Rosie
>Lute wants revenge for Adam's death
>Rizz Lord Pentious wants to get back to his friends in Hell
>Sera is trying to figure out out how to deal with the fact that sinners can actually be redeemed and the possibility of an invasion of Heaven
>all of this is going to come together in the second half of the season

Wow, that was hard.

>>151148891
I wonder what the rest of Alastor's plan is, because even if this all does lead to his freedom people aren't gonna forget him being a bitch, dude is gonna have to do some heavy shit to fix his rep.

All I know now is that I hate Alastor and I hope he dies as the final boss because he is a heinous creature and a good foil for Charlie. I now also really like Vox and get why he's acting out and I hope he's redeemed.

>>151148787
>>151148845
The plot is that Charlie, now knowing redemption is possible, is trying to replicate the process while brokering peace between Heaven and Hell. But rogue actors such as the Vees, Lute, and Alastor are sabotaging the process. Oh and there's some romantic angst

>>151148956
>>Sera is trying to figure out out how to deal with the fact that sinners can actually be redeemed and the possibility of an invasion of Heaven
Just capture the brats and appply correction

>velvette calling out the too much red
Kek

>>151148975
>Catweed
Bless them

>>151148975
Katie hating gay people has the same energy as Zach and Michael making Tomar voice a character that claims Christianity is the one true religion.

>>151148919
Somebody would’ve brought that up by now if it were the case. Vox seems to prefer to fool his favorite people into believing they’re his equal partners, but secretly he thinks he’s the best most powerful “most equal” partner in the partnership.

This is in contrast to regular overlords like Val or Alastor or Rosie, who watch or force people to get backed into corners and then make them sign a deal that says they own their victims as slaves.

>>151146607
>i used to be raped but i found out a way to stop it. i do all kinds of stupid and gay shit. they cant rape you if you agree to get tied to the cuck chair and paraded around the circle. i dont like doing that but it works.

>>151148948
Also Eve

The only thing that really pissed me off writing wise with episode 3 was Charlie actively ignoring that Emily told her Heaven was being locked down.

>>151148948
Of course they are, Vivzie has a ladyboner for those characters and is on record as saying Roo is the final boss. Why wouldn't every theory revolve around them in some way.

It's not like Alastor has any mystery left to play wiith. He's just a salty mulatto.

>>151149010
I could excuse Charlie falling for Vox's trap in ep 3, as annoying as she was, but deciding to happily walk back into it in ep 4 was nauseating. She needs a fucking lawyer or something.

>>151149010
What was she supposed to do about that?

>>151149030
she at least has someone more reliable and intelligent in Vaggie, she just doesn't fucking listen to her so it doesn't mean much

>>151149026
Eve’s also set up as an obvious theorybait character with her being a mysterious silhouette at the start with an implicit important role and then not mentioned again. That’s why every single female character has gotten a theory about secretly being Eve in disguise or with amnesia or whatever.

>>151147869
So now that Vox is a main villain the threads are just gonna be playing advocate for why he's a big softie while acting like people who do the same for Alastor are completely unreasonable

>>151148997
Except Brandon Rogers is an unfunny hack

>>151149033
Because then she'd know that a redemption wouldn't work. She could've made things considerably less worse for her if she was just a little smarter about how much information she gave away.

Do you think these are legit or not?

https://old.reddit.com/r/LeaksAndRumors/comments/1ogxsee/details_from_all_8_episodes_of_hazbin_hotel/

>Details from all 8 episodes of Hazbin Hotel season 2 have supposedly been leaked

>>151149052
I wish that Charlie was actually proud, and in a gentle way, thinks her way is the only way and that’s why she just ignores everyone else. Let her actually be the true sin of pride

>>151149098
Every time I think someone has a new leak they just posted something that's been floating around for weeks. But yeah these seem to be correct.

>>151149098
>reddit
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Hasn't it already been confirmed that Jesus doesn't exist in this universe?
Then Christianity doesn't exist.

>>151149189
>Hasn't it already been confirmed that Jesus doesn't exist in this universe?
Abel does the sign of the cross and the Speaker uses the phrase "cross to bear" so no Jesus exists.

>>151149118
I have to agree there, yeah. giving a character flaws is one thing, making them adjustably as dumb as the plot needs them to be is another. you could definitely write it where Charlie has ultimately noble and kind goals, but her approach to enacting them is a little arrogant and sheltered because of her princess status and her relation to the sin of pride. that'd be much less frustrating because those are actual flaws to overcome

>>151148831
I kekked cuz you just parroted what she is saying about herself

>>151149189
>Hasn't it already been confirmed that Jesus doesn't exist in this universe?
Vivzie never said anything close to that
Also Able literaly crossed himself, implying that Jesus existed in some form

>>151149209
I mean that was the impression I did get from the show itself.

>>151149093
I don’t know if Heaven being locked by Sera’s dome prevents redemption from happening. Sir Pentious bypassed the usual way of getting in through Peter’s gate and just respawned in the middle of Heaven magically.

Also, nothing in the narrative is giving hints that Angel failing to be redeemed has to do with Heaven’s lockdown. It’s pretty clear that they just weren’t figuring out what it is he’s supposed to do to get his personal redemption.

>>151149250
>I don’t know if Heaven being locked by Sera’s dome prevents redemption from happening.
Ok but Charlie has no reason to think that it doesn't.

>>151148341
>>151148348
If Heaven's on Lockdown, how is she able to go between Heaven & Hell so easy? If it's a magic spell, you'd think they'd be wary of it since Sera knows Lilith is in Heaven and could leak it so demons could come through a backdoor.

>>151148891
my favorite fan theory thrown around is Alastor just going with the potential man scheme, throwing wicked winces and hot takes left and right, only to be sidelined at the last minute due to lack of time

>>151149283
>how is she able to go between Heaven & Hell so easy?
Because that's not the real Lilith in Heaven.

I want more FRAUDstor humiliation.

They checked for Alastor's tail... that means they pansted him at one point

I really liked Nifty's song. It's not the best singing performance, but it fits her character and the scene so perfectly. Charlie losing it is the icing on top.

>>151148638
i need Rosie to rape me

>>151149209
It was pissing me off how dumb she was, literally not learning from any mistake and just jumping to do the same shit over and over. Though at the same time Angel did address it with that "sorry starts to lose meaning" bit. I think it can lose the "shitty writing" label if its properly addressed in the show as character flaws/being the child of the Sin of Pride (maybe Lucifer points it out?) and there's actually some rectifying of it.

>>151149279
And no reason to believe it does, either.

Maybe she thought that Angel would get redeemed, rise up toward heaven, and then bounce off and come back down if he’d been rejected by the lockdown. Which would still be evidence that redemption works.

>>151148975
>Look at the live chat
Kek

>>151149369
>Angel would get redeemed, rise up toward heaven, and then bounce off and come back down if he’d been rejected by the lockdown
Great mental image

>>151149345
She is an antebellum Lady
the closest you can get is to be put in chains and treated as a pet

>>151149398
She's an ageless demon but the character she's based off of is actually from the 1890s

>>151149304
Which is odd since Charlie has her mom's phone number and has been calling her supposedly since she went missing.Thos would only work if Eve was Charlie's Mom all along and Lilith was the faker.

>>151149336
Alastor has no tail... how are we feeling Alastor sisters and bros?

>>151149343
Stressed well intented protagonist

If it was only the intent...

>>151149189
>Jesus doesn't exist in this universe
all adults sort of know that creatures like seraphims, angels, and all the like are prolly not real. Jesus was very much real, whether you believe he was a son of god or not. Therefore it is less personal if you curse at the Michael the Archangel then at Jesus

>>151149209
vivzie just turned up the adorkable disney trait to the max, which is arguably just as much off-puting in the disney movies. No wonder the mouse's stock is bleeding money like there is no tomorrow

Don't watch this show anymore because I can't handle the cringe but just saw a screenshot of human Alastor, looks like they got rid of the hideous moustache from the leaked production sheets that were posted here months ago?

>>151149189
Hitler exists so Jews exist so Jesus exists.

>>151149250
>what it is he’s supposed to do to get his personal redemption
even charlie said it, it needs to be tied to a sin that finally got you into hell

>>151149463
Yeah they got rid of it.

>>151149427
Pity for all the red and black deer tail butt plugs sitting in a warehouse somewhere that need to get rebranded

>>151149476
Well, yeah, but it’s hard to unkill your dead dad.

>>151149433
>all adults sort of know that creatures like seraphims, angels, and all the like are prolly not real.
I see you didn't spend much time around religious people
For them denying that angels exist is almost the same as denying that God exist or saying that Jesus was just a preacher/cult leader

>>151149426
we also know that the internet works across the realms thanks to that

>>151149508
So Angel needs to kill uhh to... protect someone?

>>151149526
>I see you didn't spend much time around religious people
maybe you are talking about americans

>>151149552
Angel’s primary sin is sodomy. So he’d have to get married and have sex with his female wife.

>>151149463
too bad mane, the 3rd and the 4th episodes werent even that bad, almost like vivzie didnt write them herself

Bro so far this episode reminds me of how much Charlie sucks as a partner and that there is no chemistry between her and Vaggie other than Charlie goes crazy about her ideas then completely ignores or shuts down Vaggie.

>>151149508
>Well, yeah, but it’s hard to unkill your dead dad.
its simple we need to, uh, kill the dad

Why do people think Alastor will use the favor Charlie owes him to take down Vox? Alastor would never waste something so valuable on that, especially since he doesn't need to. He knows full well that Charlie considers him a friend and that she won't just let Vox keep him prisoner.

>>151149588
You’d think a bisexual woman would be able to write an interesting and compelling lesbian relationship.

>>151149588
>Bro so far this episode reminds me of how much Charlie sucks as a partner and that there is no chemistry between her and Vaggie other than Charlie goes crazy about her ideas then completely ignores or shuts down Vaggie.
thats just a normal lesbian dynamic, check out the stats for domestic abuse

>Velvette describes the hotel being tacky and having shitty lightning, clashing themes and too much red.
Moment of self-awareness from Viv?

>>151149585
>almost like vivzie didnt write them herself
Putting Alastor in a cuck chair and making him watch one of Viv's pet yaoi pairings have sex strikes me as very Vivzie-esque

>>151149614
I think people assume that Vox will be too smart to touch Charlie. He'll stand at the other end of a football field and yell at her if it means he gets to keep Alastor.

>>151149552
No that’s probably what he did in the first place.

I’m hoping he needs to forgive and/or save somebody that has either wronged him or hurt someone he cares about. Either Valentino or Alastor.

Sacrificing himself to protect his loved ones is something he already does willingly and naturally. There’s no flaw there he needs to overcome. But he has a lot of hatred and mistrust towards his enemies. Vox shows up at the hotel and Angel does not want to give him any benefit of the doubt just because of his association to Valentino.

>>151149624
that's misinterpreted. you'd know if you read the wikipedia page

>The CDC also stated that 43.8% of lesbian women reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. The study notes that, out of those 43.8%, two thirds (67.4%) reported exclusively female perpetrators. The other third reported at least one perpetrator being male, however the study made no distinction between victims who experienced violence from male perpetrators only and those who reported both male and female perpetrators. Similarly, 61.1% of bisexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study with 89.5% reporting at least one perpetrator being male. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported having been victim of intimate partner violence, with 98.7% of them reporting male perpetrators exclusively.[13]

2 thirds of 43.8% is around 29%

>>151149082
literally me with Alastor. What a conundrum!

>>151149683
>Either Valentino
100% not happening lol Viv isn't that stupid

>>151149699
>100% not happening lol Viv isn't that stupid
That's what we all keep saying but then the bar somehow keeps getting lower every so often

>>151149427
AMAZING AMAZING FUCKING AMAZING. I feel like I'm in the minority of Alasisters who wished that he wouldn't have a tail.
He has a smooth chest too, thank god! Fuck! Christmas came early this year

>>151149653
>too much red
Adam brought up the too much red thing too. Referencing it once works as an inside joke, but doing it twice shows that criticism must have really gotten to her.

>>151149722
>He has a smooth chest too, thank god!
You've thought extensively about this man haven't you

>>151149691
its true because I dont really like the degenerates

>>151149722
>red coloured
>with green scars
>christmas colours

it's always Christmas with Alastor around

>>151149699
She has chastised the fandom for obsessively hating on Valentino and treating him like the most evil overlord. Would be hilarious if she had Angel forgiven him.

>>151149749
maybe.

>>151149362
I certainly hope that's where they're going with it, but I have my doubts. honestly they totally could have tied this into her arc with Lucifer in season one too come to think of it. have Lucifer be all "I get it, sometimes when you're passionate enough it feels like you just HAVE to be right. but trust me when I say that feeling can really fuck you over" to set up her failings in season two

>>151149683
>Vox shows up at the hotel and Angel does not want to give him any benefit of the doubt just because of his association to Valentino.
that just sounds like a healthy common sense

I would actually respect Viv if she made Angel forgive Val. That is a tact that I think she simply does not have though

>>151149699
I dunno, she’s already stupid enough to back herself into a corner writing Vaggie’s plan to change her name. I can’t see any resolution to that side plot that won’t piss off a vocal crowd that’ll throw a tantrum about it. Same with the pregnancy arc over in HB.

Maybe it could be enough if Angel Dust got the opportunity to kill Valentino and then just didn’t take it rather than full blown forgiveness.

>>151149699
>100% not happening lol Viv isn't that stupid

>>151149784
Right, it's not like Angel doesn't know who Vox is lol

are there zero links to this shit or what?

>>151149766
>honestly, Val? no hard feelings, the rape felt kinda good after the first dozen times!
peak cinema, as they say

>>151142300 (OP)
Just watched the new episodes, im so glad that Charlie still doesn't a single fuck about what vaggie has to say, such a great girlfriend she is holy fuck

>>151149699
>Viv isn't that stupid

>>151149821
watchflix DOT to/watch/tv/94954/season/2/episode/3

>>151147027
There must be two different periods of exterminations that occurred with the book talking about the old one.

>>151149791
>I dunno, she’s already stupid enough to back herself into a corner writing Vaggie’s plan to change her name
No she hasn't
>I can’t see any resolution to that side plot that won’t piss off a vocal crowd that’ll throw a tantrum about it.
I'm not really defending Viv here but people have been throwing a tantrum over every creative decision she's made in nearly the past decade and it's done nothing to slow her down. She does crazy shit all of the time, there's already three, maybe four "major controversies" with this season. Nobody expected Vaggie to want to change her name and anyone who's still mad if she decides to stick with Vagina isn't worth paying attention to.

>>151147998
They are probably some easier prey for him

>>151149343
>Could you say it differently?
>Okay! *starts singing in Japanese*
I keked

It's weird that Angel being a murderer is supposed to be a big shocking moment when basically everyone Charlie associates with is also a murderer.

>>151149912
We're gonna find out Husk's sin is tax evasion or something

>>151149791
>>151149699
>Lute and Angel have the option to kill someone they hate
>They don’t go for the blow
>Viewers: *Throw doo doo feces at their giant flat screen tv.

>>151149588
At this point would be hilarious if Charlie’s ex boyfriend shows up and reveals he dumped her because she was too manic and never listened to him, just make Charlie out to be the bad one in relationships.

>>151149912
was anyone surprised considering Angel Dust was in the mafia?

This shot of Vox goes hard

Mega?

>>151149853
THIS JUST GAVE ME MUSTARD GAS I HOPE THERES GAY FEMBOYS IN HELL

>>151149588
Okay holy shit why is Charlie SO STUPID???
>>151149956
Yoooo I'd have full respect for Viv if she ever did that but alas...

>>151149912
>>151149958
I thought the shock was supposed to come from him killing his dad but yeah lol really needed a character to go "well duh". With how Angel was acting I thought he actually killed Molly.

>>151149912
If anything I thought Angel seemed the most upset. Everyone else seemed upset on Angel’s behalf. Nobody gasped and said “How could you??”

>>151149958
I think the implication is he never shared that part with the others before? but that's a pretty big secret to keep, especially when the hotel has whole exercises about sharing your past and feelings

>>151149991
Charlie's clearly got some deep-rooted issues. I think someone needs to have a heart-to-hear with her and ask why she's really doing all this.

SEX WITH CHARLIE

>Husk is established as being the former Gambling Overlord
>Shown using cards and dice before with his powers
>Now his powers are themed around doing magic tricks?
Keep it consistent Viv

>>151150054
Calm down verbalase

>>151150054
Adam...

>>151150059
He was a magician when he was alive iirc. He probably worked in a casino.

>>151149970
Both episodes are already on torrent sites, you don't need mega

>>151150050
The only kind of characters I see doing that are Alastor and Lute for two vastly different reasons.

>>151150054
t. verbalase

>>151150086
>Lute
She's too busy going insane. It's more likely to be Vaggie, or MAYBE Rosie.

>>151149912
Yeah Angel seems all horribly ashamed of it and her finding out, meanwhile Charlie could just say “I’m literally dating a girl who slaughtered thousands of people, you killing some people is literally nothing”

>>151146956
The fandom likes to put Alastor in sexual situations, viv is giving people want they want

>>151149343
So Nifty is confirmed to be Japanese now or are they just baiting the fans?

>>151150109
She's been Japanese

YOU'RE HUFFING PAINT

>>151150059
I noticed that too. It’s not the worst leap to make, but I still don’t like it.

>>151150050
It's so annoying now because to the point she literally doesn't give af about what anyone else thinks. Angel literally hates the V's because of the abuse he received but Charlie pretty much cutte face manipulates him into trying to force his redemption on television. I can relate to how Charlie's mind works but holy shit someone needs to wrangle her asap

>>151146956
>gets thrown around by a strong woman and called a pet
>spends second half of the episode restrained by his rival

Based based based vivzie, I'm sorry I made fun of the character designs when it first came out but god damn it, you hooked me with the radio demon. Well played

>>151147954
The Talmud was written after the Bible wtf are you talking about
The Talmud was completed in the medieval period whereas the old testament/the Torah already existed by the first century and the new testament was finalized in the second century or something
>inb4 muh oral tradition
lolno

>>151150123
Years ago, she was Chinese

>>151148819
He wants to get dicked down so bad.

I now realize the real reason why Viv was so pissed that a ton of comparisons will be made between Vox and Trump. Not only is Vox definitely going to survive this season, but is easily the most sympathetic villain of either show, also willing to bet his cult leader backstory will probably be more subdued and less 'bad' than the popular ones like Heaven's Gate and Jonestown that ended in mass suicides/murder

>>151150142
>charlie is a blonde bisexual retarded woman with dumb ideas that no one wrangles for her
You write what you know I guess.

This shot goes so hard

blushing vox

>>151150180
He still created a system that endorses/encourages the rapes/sexual exploitation of hundreds.
Idon’t mind the idea of genuinely exploring his redemption but that’s not what the show is

>>151150180
She probably already wrote an episode in S3 where they reconcile, and she hates the idea of people thinking she's defending people like him in real life.

>>151150192
yeah i thought so too when i saw the episode!

>>151150188
audibly kek'd

>>151147820
I think they should’ve at least made his body type more square and his colors different- the bright red and saturated teal seems out of place for a old 50’s TV.

>>151150192
Having Alastor's teeth glow like an old timey radio was so good

Obviously it's not going to happen, but do you think Alastor could convince Vox that he really wanted to work with him but couldn't because of his contract?

>>151150226
>>151150192
The shots in this episode are kino and the animation is smooooooth. I didn't have high expectations going into Season 2 and I have to say I'm so pleasantly surprised

>>151150180
It would be pretty funny if his death and sin that damned him actually had nothing to do with his cult, like it wasn’t even a bad cult just a small close knit community thing it’s just when people hear the word cult they immediately jump to those big name ones.

>>151150099
Nah. Vaggie doesn’t question anything. And Rosie/Lilith feels too in-control of the situation to reveal anything to her or Alastor.
Lute would think that Charlie are Lucifer highly-connected to hell, being able to control of how they are somewhat, and respected, to then see Vox come over and piss on the Hotel, Lucifer’s authority, and Heaven at the same time.

Gravity is a song stemming from a massive lack of knowledge, just like Charlie’s song about fast-paced redemption. In which they both look insane.

>>151150001
at the very least, I still feel like Molly has to be related in some way. maybe he only killed his father in retaliation for his father getting Molly killed, and her death is the part that's so painful for him to revisit? or maybe I'm way off and he really does just feel that bad about killing his evil crime lord father, it's hard to say with this show

>>151147868
She’s a terrible protagonist, which sucks because the premise of “hellish Disney princess runs Hotel that redeems sinners” is something that should make it exceptionally easy to make your main character a likeable underdog in a world full of actually evil assholes.

i hope alastor isn't getting raped by vox after valentino makes the suggestion they should fuck and the credits roll...

>>151146956
>bottomest bitch
>twink
>brat
>pet
Bottom Alastor being canon is so fucking based, bless Viv.

>>151150266
I can sorta see Vox bragging to Val and making out something he did to be bigger and more sinister than it really was.

>>151150203
Does deer deserve rape as punishment?

>>151150192
This was probably the overall best looking episode of the show so far.

>>151150203
>To everyone who doubted me
>Your doubting days are done!
>You'll be cornered, trapped, and tortured
>Then I'll end you, just for fun!

>>151150271
>Vaggie doesn’t question anything
She does all the time lol Charlie just doesn't listen to her.

>>151150275
I want Angel to have killed his dad in front of Molly and for Molly to be sad he killed their dad. Especially if he did it to protect Molly but she still knew it was too far.

>>151150340
>You'll be cornered, raped, and tortured
Fixed

>>151150353
I meant questioning anything the right way.

>>151147868
>>151148072
Charlie is actually kino because instead of it being where she is inexplicably good but just in Hell for some reason it's actually where she she is still a demon that doesn't understand what goodness or redemption really is hence why her idea of it is to fuck with people against their will to try to force them into being good and also that she's good because 'then everyone will like me and say how awesome me and my hotel is' - this is actually a really underrated point about her character but she basically said this in episode 3 when she was all overexicted at finding out the redemption actually works.
The fact that she couldn't comprehend that redemption comes from genuine selflessness/rejecting your sins sincerely feels intentional like 'she's a trueborn demon of course she wouldn't understand it.'

In fact that whole bit of her trying to force Angel to be redeemed via actions kind of unintentionally ended up being a theological commentary on the fact that salvation doesn't come from works (obviously in actual Christianity it comes from genuine faith which leads to goodness whereas in this show it comes from just goodness itself or something).

>>151146956
He's the most sexualized character in the fandom by far because he's forbidden fruit. She planned this all along.

>>151150361
Why is it so hot every time Al gets electrocuted

I think I discovered something about myself today

What would have changed if Alastor had accepted Vox's offer? I can see Velvette joining to the duo in the future, but I don't think Alastor would have let Val join, given his disdain for sex crimes.

>>151150353
I wouldn’t be surprised if Vaggie gets it from Lute. Considering the mama themes.

Do you guys think Viv agrees with Charlie? That anyone can be redeemed? Sure, Charlie thinks Vox can be redeemed and sent to heaven but would Viv say the same about Donald Trump? Makes you wonder....

>>151150381
based observation about Charlie

>>151150384
>electrocuting his ears while calling him his bottom bitch
Boneriffic

>>151148094
why the fuck would you expect demons to care about concepts like order, hierarchy, respect and giving someone their dues? They are literally demons

>>151150396
i don't think viv does

>>151150395
>Considering the mama themes.
They're the same age.

>>151150388
It unironically would've been the best end for both of them if they teamed up.

This is a weird complaint that maybe nobody else cares about but:

I am very disappointed Angel Dust never cross dresses anymore. It seems like that facet of his character has been completely dropped and he’s just a gay twink. He’s barely even femme.

>>151148026
Seeing people target Vox for these kinds of jokes is kind of strange since he’s the best character in the series.

>>151150388
alastor would probably get pissed off at vox making heart eyes at him at one point

>>151150203

>>151150396
No. Conservatives are the real demons

>>151150059
Husk really didnt land as a character for me. Cant put my finger on it, he is just not memorable or entertaining

>>151150432
Crossdressing isn't allowed anymore, it's transface.

>>151150432
Angel only did that because he was forced to.

i like the songs we've been getting

>we're literally watching Lute's sanity unravel at the seams, she's hallucinating, she's singing about how she's going to kill everyone while smashing shit up, she has not patience, no restraint, and she's only going to get worse
>one or two guys in these threads are always going "wow she's so mother-figure coded"
I don't think you guys actually like Lute.

Honestly, I'm curious why Rosie took such an interest in Alastor when he was just human. He was charismatic and obviously gained knowledge about the supernatural in some way, but it seems strange to me that that would be enough for her to choose him over all the other people in the world who at some point must have tried to make a pact with a demon.

>>151150455
The idea that people who unironically think this might’ve won and that they’re the reason it may have been cut is the worst part.

>>151149343
Hazubin Hoteru is the best anime of 2025.

>>151150354
that works too! would explain even better why it's such an upsetting memory for Angel, since it would be his own actions ruining his closest relationship. Angel spending his mortal life trying so hard to shield Molly from the dark reality of their family business, only to end up showing her the worst parts of himself in an attempt to protect her from someone worse, would make me actually feel bad for the twink

>>151150475
All of Vox's songs so far delivered

>hung up on his oneitis for 70 fucking years
I mean, Alastor is cute so I get it.

>>151150473
No he didn’t.

>>151150396
No, and I think it's fine for people to write characters that they don't agree with.

>>151150487
Lilith was able to "inspire" Hell with her song and Alastor did the same thing with using his voice as a human, she saw his potential

How did Vivziepop fumble the bag so hard in season 2? It's filled with so many contradictions and accidental "problematic" elements.
It's almost like I'm watching Helluva Boss again, must all Vivziepop cartoons fall off so hard?

>>151150483
If Lute stopped being a genocidal maniac I would immediately lose all interest in her.

>>151150518
An entire episode of fanservice, I can die happy

>>151150487
She likes his moxie. His chutzpah. His razzmatazz. She knew that kid was going places and by golly she was gonna help get him there.

Gosh why Rosie is such a hot demon

>>151150517
Season 2 has been better with the story elements but the comedy definitely took a hit. The story in Helluva went completely downhill but it was still funny. I knew this was going to be fucked when they made the unfunny wife killing joke 4 times in the first episode

>>151150498
>>151150354
>>151150275

another anon following the angeldust killing his father in front of molly convo, i agree, this sounds good

>me getting spoiled before i can watch the ep cuz nobody has posted it still.
what a bad day to stop sniffing glue

>>151150483
>Lute has one very bad day and needs a lot time to adjust then she likes to admit.
>”Her only character trait is being the crazed one now. She has no other themes!”

>>151150381
good point

>>151149624
>>151149691
For reference this is caused by 2 predominant factors. Higher rate of substance abuse is the biggest one. Among men or women, straight or gay, rampant substance abuse will often result in violence behavior because it tends to strip you down to a very base level of impulsive and instinctual behavior over time.
The secondary one is that even a lot of scummy guys still had this notion of "YOU NEVER HIT A GIRL!" sorta knocked over their heads at a young age taught to them. That rule is arguably tied to masculinity as some kind of "fight honor code". That a lot of young men are taught to believe women are weaker frailer creatures and raising a hand to one is something that only guys who can't fight other men would do. Considering we're seeing a shift towards "equal rights, equal fights", I expect the gap on that one to actually close a bit in the coming decades. Not this generation but this generation's children most likely.

>>151150561
I actually thought episode 3 was the funniest episode of the entire show, it was mostly thanks to Vel and Vox though.

>>151150561
If we're down to having to choose between comedy and good story writing, I'm taking the latter. Yes you can have both but being realistic with Viv as a writer, I'll take what I can get.

>>151150396
>maybe this whole peace deal thing will get me into Heaven
you know, when you think about it, orange man is actually more like Charlie than Vox
he's even known for owning a big tacky hotel too

>>151150381
Actually makes me think the writing isn't as shit as it initially appeared, good job anon. I hope they delve more into this character aspect so it comes off as better written at first watch.

yall wankers

>>151148997
It's too bad Katie Killjoy isn't funny still

>>151147457
I agree, the gills are neat but I wanted some wires godamnit. It's up to fanart now

>>151150580
>Lute has one very bad day and needs a lot time to adjust then she likes to admit.
Yeah one bad day is her plotting to kill everyone lol just an oopsie
>”Her only character trait is being the crazed one now. She has no other themes!”
I didn't say that. I said you're refusing to acknowledge her actual themes and would prefer her character go in a more "palatable" and boring direction. She's never shown any sign that she's drawn to Charlie or Lucifer because they're angelic, but she's shown plenty of signs that she hates their guts and wants to hurt them.

>>151150630
Literally the only thing it would take is recasting her.

>>151150640
>Yeah one bad day is her plotting to kill everyone lol just an oopsie
YEAH AND ITS SEXY!!!
>she hates their guts and wants to hurt them.
Unff

>>151150652
Her VA in the pilot was perfect.

>You FUCKING WOULD, Tom.

>>151150663
Yeah you get it.

Why are Niffty and Val the best characters in the show

>>151150561
>unfunny wife killing joke 4 times in the first episode
I mean it overstayed its welcome, but it was kinda funny

The sheer joy in his face at getting to have Alastor

>>151150652
Exactly, it's all about execution. Brandon Rogers is terrible as Katie though, he's no RuPaul. They should have stuck with Faye Mata.

>>151150381
This is a good analysis, but still I think they could’ve executed it better because man she’s just hard to watch. They could’ve balanced that naivety in a less obnoxious manner IMO

>>151150691
Someone photoshop a wedding ring box into Alastor's hand

>>151150487
Probably respected his forward thinking.
Most people bargaining with a demon would be seeking power or benefits to use in their current life, Alastor had the foresight to know he will die eventually and go to hell but wanted some insurance that he wouldn’t be some basic bitch once he got there.

>>151150682
Niffty is a deliberately shallow and irrelevant gag character which means they don’t try to give her (inevitably poorly-written) depth. Also she’s cute.

>>151150675
She made me laugh more in the 20 seconds she appeared in the pilot than Brandon Rogers has in the entire show so far

A lot of people have been saying Alastor was just an asshole/dislikable when he rejected Vox, but it might be a coping mechanism. Most people in his life use him under the guise of friendship (see Rosie and Mimzy) and so when someone he considers a genuine thread proposes this deal he shuts down - whether it's due to the confines of his deal with Rosie or because he feels betrayed and is automatically assuming someone he saw as a genuine friend really just wanted him for power. Who knew Viv could actually fucking write doomed yaoi effectively

Where Mega?

>>151150723
I've seen a few other people figure this out. Also it's obvious that Alastor cares about Niffty.

Hey 4chan I just came up with this awesome new meme. What if we started calling Valentino "Glumbo"? Then we can openly talk about how awesome he is without twitter normies seething at us. Plus, it'd help us identify newfags and we could say "Pal, you need to get glumbopilled!"

>>151150723
It's telling when he taunts Vox for "relying on others for his powers" which is exactly what he's doing, kek. He's projecting hard

How soon until we get the inevitable mega for these two episodes?

>>151150707
Seconded

>homophobic character now has cartoonish gay guy voice
I’m not sure whether this was a deliberate part of the joke.

>>151150742
Pim you shouldn't be on 4chan

>>151150755
She will eventually come out of the closet and Vox will run a hit piece claiming Charlie infected her with the gays

>>151147922
The show goes hard on Christian themes of atonement and redemption, it just slathers it in an edgy coat of paint. Most modern Christian sects could learn a thing or two

>>151150740
I wonder what differentiates their relationship? Maybe Nifty has never asked him for anything and is just a fun insane chick to keep around?
>>151150749
Kek I noticed this too, Alastor writing actually surprising me more and more each time he's focused on.

>>151150640
First, the reaction Lute has is really common with people that acting like Lute was the only character with these feelings about suffering a massive loss is stupid.
Second, Lute hates Charlie and Lucifer but doesn’t know much about them. I’m sure if she knew more about the latter she would hate him alot more. With Charlie, that girl would easily drop down from being the piñata she wants to break to being a complete oddity that makes no sense to her. Especially if she sees anything on how Hell actually treats her.
Lute saying she wants to erase Hell is from not knowing anything about it and its actual allegiances.

>>151150682
why wasn't this stab fatal

>>151150396
The lesson Charlie will learn is that not everyone is redeemable

Why did they all act like the train was actually dangerous? That was weird

>>151150396
Yes. Infact she named Charlie after Charlie Kirk and put her in hell just like him

alastor shots were kino this episode

>>151150707
>>151150753
Happy Guys Fuck Night.

>>151150836
haha thanks!

>>151150789
It wasn't an angelic weapon.

>>151150753
1 million years in mspaint

>>151150740
He kept the little roach crown she put on him :3

alastor smells so bad

>>151150836
>>151150849
>>151150853
I’m getting diabetes these fags are too cute.

>>151150811
The amount of ear play made me hard.

>>151150640
Would Lute actually act the way you think she acts if she sees the media Hell produces of Charlie?

>>151150869
Valentino is right, they really need to just fuck already.

>>151150873
I don't think she cares about what Sinners make or do.

>>151150872
the stayed gone motif during this was also incredibly kino

>>151150811
I demand an apology from every person who doubted that Alastor is sexy

>>151150836
>>151150849
Much appreciated

>Piss (A Love Song)
>it's not actually about piss

>>151150901
He was so breedable this episode, no wonder Vox is obsessed.

>Alastor still gets to Vox despite being captured.
Lol
>>151150907
Don't worry sniper, I'm sure that someone will make a TF2 version of the song, given enough time
>>151150901
>>151150929
RIGHT???

>>151146866
HE IS A KEK!
HE SITS IN THE THE CHAIR!

>>151150722
the pilot was something else. Dont get me wrong, the show is decent, but the pilot remains a 10/10

>>151150811
the sweat droplets AHHHHHHHH

its almost bedtime to me i hope the anon have prime enjoy it i wish i could watch it

>>151150752
man, why dont you use torrents like every normal millennial out there

someone already posted a link for it where you can watch it for free and not give Jeff Bezos a single buck in minecraft

>>151150723
no it's cause he's just a psycho he doesn't think relationships are real/doesn't understand them and likes causing making people unstable so that they cause chaos that can be exploited cause he is 'le 5d chess mastermind psychopath jokah' character. This is so fucking obvious if you are familiar with such tropes and the fact such characters are usually tumblrite darlings is how you know it's the case.
The only weakness/vunerability to Alastor that was revealed with the latest episodes was just that he is more petty, insecure and sociopathic than the audience first thought.
>>151150740
no, he's so obviously doing the 'Dark Knight Heath Ledger Joker gets himself captured on purpose' thing.
He is simply using sparing his 'friends'/underlings being harmed (which wouldn't even matter in Hell anyway since they respawn) as a pretext just to trick midwit Vox into accepting a deal with him that will lead him into whatever the fuck he has planned that he realized when he was sat on the bench and said "wait, that's really smart"

it's so fucking obvious that this is the case and the fact that Vivzie is on record disliking the Charlie/Alastor ship tells you that in her mind her intention and writing for this character has always been that she sees him as just totally evil, untrustworthy and going to fuck things up for his own selfish ends (but is charismatic all the same, because this is tumblerite catnip). Part of the reason Vivzie is so annoyed with ANY ship with Alastor let alone Charlie is so obviously because in her head her idea of this character is that he's a total psychopath who truly doesn't care about anyone so it wouldn't make sense.

I strongly suspect the ace thing was just to hide the shoe drop moment where it's revealed he's truly an evil psycho from the audience. People reading into it that 'aww he really does care' or 'he said what he did to Vox for his benefit in some convoluted way' is pure fangirl cope.

Hitler exists apparently in this universe - and we have not seen him in hell. Curious, isn't it?

>>151151014
This fucking harlot is asking for it

>>151150804
Speedwatcher-kun, it had an angelic weapon attached to it

>>151144020
Uh, alastorbros?

>>151151051
https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/HH/HH-amazon
you can watch episode 3 here but 4 is unavalible....

>>151150888
When it comes to redemption, but if they hate Charlie, that’s a different matter.

>>151151063
People would reject Charlie's goals if she was trying to get Hitler redeemed

>>151150901
>>151150929
>>151150978
He is the epitome of a tease, there's no way he's not aware he's a coquettish twink

>>151151063
He's in Heaven.

>>151151063
Think for one second, war that started because of him killed plenty of people who sinned one way or another. What those souls in hell would do to him right when he respawned there? Curious, isn't it?

>>151151006
I need to rewatch it, I was harsh on it on release but with the full series I should probably do a double-take and see how it compares.

>>151151106
In the Day in the Afterlife comic he was popular with the ladies too, there's no way he doesn't know

>>151151015
How do you not know how to watch it online for free. There were links like an hour after the episodes went live on Prime. Unless you're some super qualityfag weirdo who needs the most high definition 6969p quality.

>>151151063
Probably killed for good in one of the exterminations.

>>151151083
>those drums when the song goes from a Don't You Forget reprise to a Once We Get Up There reprise

>>151151060
>People think Lute is the one to be troublesome in season 3. It’s Alastor instead.

>>151151151
I love when Alastor first calls out to Vox and you can hear the tune to Stayed Gone in the background

>>151151143
or a prisoner of the finance sector overlord

>>151151140
i am litterally searching on desuarchive i guess i have to check niconico

Hearing Alastor laugh-yell "Oh, FUCK!" was incredible

>>151151188
I don't want to spoon-feed a retard but just literally google the words " watch cartoons online " and it should be super fucking easy to go from there.

Who in the fuck thought brandon rogers voicing katie killjoy was a good idea?

>>151151063
>Mwah hitler
Where is my boy Mussolini?

>>151151238
He played a character who is literally already Katie Killjoy.

>>151151228
i haven't keep with cartoons sites since kimcartoon shutdown thanks anon

>>151151238
Its hot
Biological spider woman with male voice is hot

>>151150628
Yes, they are

if this show is based on christian theology then why isn't hell full of muslims

>>151150869
Their love was so pure...

>>151151284
They were bombed out of hell

>>151151284
how do you know that a given sinner wasn't a muslin in live ?

>>151151318
because I don't see anyone reanimated as a goat

>>151151341
why would that be the default muslin sinner form ?

I'm supposed to be working right now but all I can do is keep watching clips of Alastor getting bullied over and over I'm losing my mind

>>151151238
Because hearing Brandon rogers doing his erratic shouting gay man persona will never get old. I hope blitzo shows up

>>151151063
Hitler would have been killed almost instantly. Just to sell his head to an overlord as a parlor decoration.

>>151151063
Viv confirmed that Hitler went to Hell but was picked off by the other sinners at one point.

>>151151063
How do we know we haven't seen Hitler? Maybe he spawned in as that big titty T-Rex lady that was in the overlord meeting.

>>151151691
Did he at least have an arc where he dated a gay femboy and learned to accept who he really was on the inside?

>>151151774
Yes

>>151150873
She hates them all and wants them all purged

>>151151034
Because fuck torrents, that’s why. I prefer a more direct method of getting my shows.

>>151144020
Box is a bottom pretending to be a top.

>>151150296
I was geting bored of all the fanfics where Alastor was the dom.

>>151150717
That's why I liked Pentious at the beginning. Now he's boring.

>>151146924
"No Way Fag" edit when???

>>151150907
Who even says "I'll beat the piss out of you"? Most people say "I'll beat the shit out of you". And they only said "piss" thrice. What a retarded name for a song. Despite being one of the best ships, Pentious x Cherri feels so shit sometimes because they're both side characters and not much effort is put into them

>>151151804
In context, she just wants to hurt Charlie by taking away someone she loves, and said person is most likely going to be Lucifer. Lucifer is built up over and over to be the most infamous terror of Heaven in season 1 and is the most powerful weapon Vox can possibly have in season 2, as Rosie revealed how big the scope between sinners and angels are.