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Anonymous No.151152749 [Report] >>151153149 >>151153284 >>151153566 >>151153928 >>151155197 >>151155612 >>151161827 >>151168102
For Dumbing or For Age
Somebody finally called out Joyce for being a self-absorbed twat but it's one of the bad guy characters so we're probably not supposed to agree with it even though she's correct.
Anonymous No.151152835 [Report] >>151153546 >>151154719 >>151157740 >>151164880 >>151164991 >>151165917 >>151167132 >>151169291
People will say Raidah's being a Karen or a bigot or something but I don't know, I don't think I would want someone who goes around telling random people, completely unprompted, about their sex lives teaching children. This is a kind of sexual harassment after all.
Anonymous No.151153043 [Report] >>151153976
I really fucking hope more characters start treating Joyce like this.
Still holding out for a Walky crashout where Dorothy tries to apologize, and he just calls her out on all the bullshit she put him through.
Anonymous No.151153149 [Report] >>151153644 >>151154177 >>151158526
>>151152749 (OP)
the bitch kissed a girl at a protest who gives a shit. what a fucking cunt literally everyone is being. I get walky and joe and their friends being "mad" but its so fucking cringe that anyone cares about this shit also in 10 fucking years not a single person would care about a girl kissing somebody in fucking college. Why can't willis write his way out of a fucking paper bag holy shit. Also who the fuck does raida think she is the morality police? these fucking characters are so fucking pathetic and annoying I can't stand this shit.
Anonymous No.151153284 [Report]
>>151152749 (OP)
I mean, the last panel she's not really wrong but why hit the homophobia button to begin with? Gay people, hell gay teachers, exist in Indiana. Not to mention many teachers end up just moving to higher paying education states from lower paying states they got educated in. This strip feels like it was written by someone who's never met or spoken with a teacher in their lifetime.
Anonymous No.151153546 [Report]
>>151152835
only when a man does it.
it's supposed to be cute when Joyce acts like degenerate
Anonymous No.151153566 [Report]
>>151152749 (OP)
Yeah bad on Joyce to choose that time to kiss. Even more, it's bad on the newspaper to put that specific picture up instead of the cops and the protestors.


Reminds me of the homeless encampment. It had been there for years, it was just awful full of trash, probably runaway girls getting raped. Anyways they finally shut it down, made everyone leave, I'll never forget the picture they chose on the front lagewas a homeless man holding a puppy. Not even like a puppy like it's young, the puppy lookedl ike it was just born that day.
Anonymous No.151153644 [Report] >>151154866 >>151167209 >>151168134
>>151153149
>the bitch kissed a girl at a protest who gives a shit. what a fucking cunt literally everyone is being.
Raidah is basically Woke Mary but she's understandably and justifiably pissed that the Not-Palestine protest basically got hijacked to be about two white girls making out and not the protest itself or what was being protested about. Also she genuinely hates Joyce (and Dorothy).
Anonymous No.151153928 [Report] >>151154290
>>151152749 (OP)
What exactly is the criticism being levied against Joyce in the last panel here?

Like I get it's point out how self-sabotaging she became, but it feels like that last panel is targeted at something much bigger, and worse.
Anonymous No.151153976 [Report]
>>151153043
If Yoto's comic taught us anything, it's that Walky deserves better than Dorothy, which, considering it's fucking Walky, says a lot about Dorothy.
Anonymous No.151154177 [Report] >>151154342 >>151168874
>>151153149
>Why can't willis write his way out of a fucking paper bag holy shit
He is literally trying to, a paper bag he climbed into himself.
>Joyce is gonna be a lesbian, my readers love lesbians and more importantly I fucking love lesbians
>Oh shit. They do love lesbians but they don't like that my lesbian obsession completely sidelined the serious NOTIsrael/NOTPalestine protest storyline
>And they don't like that Joyce is cucking Joe who did nothing wrong
>Or that it means Joyce was lying when she turned Becky down, not because she's straight but she just doesn't find Becky attractive
>Shit, none of that occurred to me, I thought everyone would be as distracted by lesbians as I am, how do I fix this?
>I know, I'll write all this criticism more or less verbatim into the speech bubbles of characters in the strip and direct it at the characters instead of my writing!
Anonymous No.151154290 [Report] >>151154361 >>151155324
>>151153928
It's exactly what she said. She wanted to insult Joyce for making the protest all about her and her being gay after the fact and also she just hates Joyce and wanted to make her feel like shit. But she knows that Joyce is just a shameless whore so calling her out on it would have no effect on her so instead of telling her about how her actions are affecting others (because Joyce won't care) she instead tells her how her actions will affect herself (since Joyce is self-centered).
Anonymous No.151154342 [Report]
>>151154177
He's also making sure to have the character being most critical about it be one of the comic's designated villains and thus someone his readers already hate so that the criticisms thus come off as being unreasonable.
Anonymous No.151154361 [Report] >>151154579 >>151155324 >>151157029
>>151154290
It feels like most of Joyce's role in the comic has been her dealing with just how poorly her sheltered Christian-zealot upbringing prepared her for life outside of her nuclear familiar and the slow degredation of everything she was raised to believe, so is her deciding to be selfish supposed to be the result of "I don't give a fuck anymore"?
Anonymous No.151154579 [Report] >>151155324
>>151154361
She's still zealotous but she's a zealot in the complete opposite way to the point where she has to overshare to random people about how she fucks Dorothy and shit. So kind of but we're supposed to find it quirky, endearing and liberating for her and no weird, offputting and gross.
Anonymous No.151154719 [Report] >>151154986 >>151171317
>>151152835
Was Dorothy bisexual before the kiss with Joyce?
Anonymous No.151154866 [Report] >>151154914
>>151153644
But she's pissed at the wrong person. Joyce didn't took the pic
Anonymous No.151154914 [Report] >>151168134
>>151154866
Like I said, Raidah is Woke Mary. She's pissed at the paper, pissed at white people in general, already hates Joyce and so on.
Anonymous No.151154986 [Report]
>>151154719
she was pretty confident that she was a 1 on the kinsey scale but was open to moving up.
Anonymous No.151155197 [Report] >>151155217 >>151155263 >>151155463
>>151152749 (OP)
No, Raidah is being a complete asshole about the whole thing. Neither Joyce nor Dorothy planned to kiss, they had no idea they were being photographed, and they had no say on their photo being used by the school newspaper (in a massive breach of journalistic ethics and norms) for their front page. Raidah already confronted the person she should actually be mad at and got resoundingly told that no one gives a shit, so instead she's attacking someone she not only knows she can guilt trip, but someone she already despises and is friends with another person she despises. Joyce and Dorothy have done a lot of things wrong, but in this case Raidah is 100% in the wrong and being a cunt about it.
Anonymous No.151155217 [Report] >>151155324
>>151155197
Why did they even kiss? It doesn't seem like good timing for it.
Anonymous No.151155263 [Report] >>151155341 >>151168167
>>151155197
Why did Raidah hate Joyce before she went full dyke?
Anonymous No.151155324 [Report]
>>151155217
Emotions running high or some shit. Look, it's Willis' spank material because grandma can't see him from heaven if it's two girls doing it.

>>151154361
>>151154579
If you want to be charitable, Joyce is 18 years old, has poor social understanding and boundaries, possibly neurodivergent, and is experiencing things she was never prepared for by her upbringing. If you want to be less charitable, she's chick!Walky.

>>151154290
>lesbianism isn't going to be fun once homophobia kicks in!
Even for Willis it's an odd swerve.
Anonymous No.151155341 [Report] >>151155463
>>151155263
She's friends with Sarah, who Raidah hates, and once kissed Jacob while he was dating Raidah, who then broke up with Raidah because he realized he didn't want to be with her. Keep in mind that Raidah is literally a gold digger who was only dating Jacob because of his family connections.
Anonymous No.151155463 [Report] >>151155525 >>151155551 >>151167353
>>151155197
The point is that someone needs to tell Joyce that she's being a self-centered creep, much like someone had to tell Carla that she was being a pest.

>>151155341
Raidah is also pissed that Sarah is getting bleached by Tony who's the son of the university's dean.
Anonymous No.151155525 [Report] >>151155615
>>151155463
>someone needs to tell Joyce that she's being a self-centered creep

Is that JUST about how she's going about lording her sudden lesbianism and happyness over others, or the fact she's doing this lesbian thing and cheated on Joe altogether?
Anonymous No.151155551 [Report] >>151156041
>>151155463
Except Raidah doesn't actually care that Joyce is being self-centered, she's upset that focus is on Joyce rather than her political cause.
Anonymous No.151155612 [Report] >>151157019
>>151152749 (OP)
>There are NO openly gay elementary school teachers in Indiana
This is the America Willis thinks we live in.
Anonymous No.151155615 [Report]
>>151155525
Yes
Anonymous No.151156041 [Report] >>151156142
>>151155551
Look, at this point Joyce is so insufferable that anyone telling her fuck you for any reason is a-ok with me. Hitler could have showed up and called her out and I'd be like "Well he's not wrong."
Anonymous No.151156142 [Report] >>151156401
>>151156041
Sarah already did. Raidah literally does not give a shit about Joyce's behavior; they're not part of the same social circle, she only knows what's going on third-hand, she simply doesn't like Joyce and is using any excuse to pretend to have the moral high ground.
Anonymous No.151156401 [Report]
>>151156142
Yes, and?
Anonymous No.151156768 [Report]
All the characters will eventually learn that Joyce x Dorothy is the best couple ever.
Anonymous No.151157007 [Report] >>151157049 >>151157054 >>151157063 >>151157144 >>151157179 >>151165641
>what have I done
>that is what you have done

WHAT THE FUCK HAS ANYONE DONE HERE IN 15 YEARS
Anonymous No.151157019 [Report]
>>151155612

I genuinely was wondering if this was supposed to take place in the 80s or something
Anonymous No.151157029 [Report]
>>151154361
>anon realizes joyce is just a self-insert for willis to bitch about his faggy christian upbringing
Anonymous No.151157049 [Report] >>151157066
>>151157007
>I am finally the best version of myself
>Ruined a peace rally, cheated on her boyfriend, and has effectively destroyed the relationships and/or friendships of like a dozen of her friends.
Anonymous No.151157054 [Report] >>151157070
>>151157007
...Is Raidah actually praising her, or is she saying what Joyce is proud of is a bad thing?
Anonymous No.151157063 [Report]
>>151157007
>"I was HEROICALLY gay. I should get a medal. Nothing else could possibly matter more than that."
Very odd dialog coming from Joyce.
Anonymous No.151157066 [Report]
>>151157049
>Ruined a peace rally

What?
Anonymous No.151157070 [Report]
>>151157054
She's still saying Joyce only cares about herself. Nothing matters to her unless it's about her.
Anonymous No.151157110 [Report] >>151157154 >>151157162
So is Joyce worse than Carla now?
Anonymous No.151157144 [Report] >>151157166 >>151157168 >>151171785
>>151157007
>nothing else could possibly matter more than that
Joyce forgot the plight of the Plasticinians (or whatever Willis called them) pretty quick there. You know, the reason her and Dorothy were even in the situation that led to her being "heroically gay" in the first place.

I can't decide whether Willis made the concious decision to turn his supposedly likeable and relatable self-insert protagonist into a self-absorbed shithead or whether that just came naturally.
Anonymous No.151157154 [Report] >>151157177
>>151157110
Yes, because I assume Carla knows she's shit and doesn't care. Joyce has zero self-awareness. The only other people matching her are Raidah and Dorothy and Raidah doesn't give a shit while Dorothy is delusional in her pompousity. You could argue that Dorothy is also the one who corrupted and ruined Joyce.
Anonymous No.151157162 [Report]
>>151157110
Always was
Anonymous No.151157166 [Report]
>>151157144
Presumably the endgoal is Joyce realizing she's being self-absorbed thus proving Raidah wrong who slinks back into the shadows vowing to get that meddlesome Joyce Brown next time.
Anonymous No.151157168 [Report]
>>151157144
It's David Willis. Pretty sure it's the latter by sheer obliviousness.
Anonymous No.151157177 [Report] >>151157591
>>151157154
>You could argue that Dorothy is also the one who corrupted and ruined Joyce.

Elaborate.
Anonymous No.151157179 [Report] >>151157268 >>151159089 >>151165641 >>151168899
>>151157007
>Willis closed the comments for this strip.
Kekaroo!
Anonymous No.151157196 [Report] >>151157235 >>151157263 >>151167543 >>151185591
Joyce has been acting like a bitch every single time she makes one of her breakthroughs. She only stopped the obnoxious reddit atheist shit because Dorothy told her to can it and never really made up with Becky over it.

Joyce is absolutely having a heel turn over this shit. She's learned to be true to herself and it's cost her all her previous thoughtfulness and consideration for others.

Time to start the next phase of her self discovery journey: intersectionality and how minority factors like being gay or muslim can compound problems and privilege for people.
Anonymous No.151157211 [Report] >>151157242 >>151157250
The next drama is gonna be Joyce trying to enter the closet and attempt to break up with Dorothy out of guilt, isn't it?
Anonymous No.151157235 [Report]
>>151157196
>intersectionality and how minority factors like being gay or muslim can compound problems and privilege for people.

It's almost impressive that becoming lesbians with Dorothy has decimated 95% of her social circle.
Anonymous No.151157242 [Report]
>>151157211
>enter the closet
that ship has sailed
Anonymous No.151157250 [Report] >>151157300
>>151157211
>Joyce trying to enter the closet

Is there actually a genuine case for Joyce being a lesbian for real? Is she actually into women, or is Dorothy supposed to be her "exception"?
Anonymous No.151157263 [Report]
>>151157196
>She's learned to be true to herself and it's cost her all her previous thoughtfulness and consideration for others.
Nah, it's gonna be played as Joyce was always selfish and her previous piousness was mostly governed by her thinking she was more virtuous than everybody else.
Anonymous No.151157268 [Report] >>151157602 >>151165641
>>151157179
eh it's the right call, a lot of his commenters are ex-fundies and performative retards that are only actually comfortable with their white middle class buddies and they were taking it all the wrong way calling asma and raidah homophobes for criticizing joyce's antics derailing the protest simply because they're muslims.
Anonymous No.151157293 [Report] >>151157632
This current Saga has been a shitshow desu.
Anonymous No.151157300 [Report] >>151157310 >>151157335
>>151157250
It seems that both are bi and Dorothy might be more on the gay side than Joyce is but everyone just calls them gay/lesbians because bi people stop existing when they're in relationships.
Anonymous No.151157310 [Report] >>151180390
>>151157300
Bi women can't get with men after entering a relationship with another woman, it's illegal.
Anonymous No.151157335 [Report] >>151157358
>>151157300
Joyce might be gay because she was very circumspect with men while immediately jumping into the bed with the first woman she got with.
Anonymous No.151157358 [Report] >>151157372
>>151157335
She's had the hots for several dudes and sucked joe's dick like 6 hours before banging dorothy when she was supposed to dump him don't forget. She's bi. Lots of people are bi, most just aren't honest or meet the right people to find out.
Anonymous No.151157372 [Report] >>151157415
>>151157358
Who ISN'T bi in this comic?
Anonymous No.151157386 [Report] >>151157404
I personally thought she would get with Sarah.
Anonymous No.151157404 [Report] >>151157412
>>151157386
is Sarah bi or lesbian?
Anonymous No.151157412 [Report]
>>151157404
So far she's been straight.
Anonymous No.151157415 [Report] >>151157429
>>151157372
Are we counting Mary's and her frustration that Carla won't dick her down?
Anonymous No.151157429 [Report] >>151157485
>>151157415
The only reason Mary isn't gay/bi at this point is because she's supposed to be the hate sink of the comic.
Anonymous No.151157485 [Report] >>151157496
>>151157429
Didn't Mary get a boyfriend?
Anonymous No.151157496 [Report]
>>151157485
Watch your mouth, only Mary gets to call Carla her boyfirend.
Anonymous No.151157591 [Report]
>>151157177
Dorothy is the one who taught her how to masturbate by sitting on washing machines which is what started the process of where we are now.
Anonymous No.151157602 [Report]
>>151157268
Most of them in the last strip sided with Joyce. They hate Raidah and would have basically said that even if she has a point she's wrong because Joyce is their wittle fat fwuff muffin.
Anonymous No.151157632 [Report]
>>151157293
I told you, every 5 years you're guaranteed a shitshow in this.
Anonymous No.151157740 [Report] >>151157999
>>151152835
i'll never not be baffled at this guy having a wife and children
Anonymous No.151157999 [Report]
>>151157740
Pretty sure in another universe where he didn't meet her he'd be Joyce Willis right now.
Anonymous No.151158526 [Report] >>151158592 >>151159922
>>151153149
It is the same criticism as bringing pride flags to protests that have nothing to do with LGBT rights.
Some people find it distracting and blurring the message of the protest.
Anonymous No.151158592 [Report] >>151158609 >>151158737 >>151159089
>>151158526
>bringing pride flags to protests that have nothing to do with LGBT rights.

That's a thing? I don't think I've ever seen it.
Anonymous No.151158609 [Report]
>>151158592
Come on dude, BLM and Palestine protests were full of them. One of the most common gotchas about them were all the lgbts would not be well received in by the locals in Gaza.
Anonymous No.151158737 [Report]
>>151158592
Yes and they sometimes lead to clashes. In the worst case people get beaten up by homophobes, learning the hard way that Islam is not so LGBT friendly.
Anonymous No.151159089 [Report] >>151159922 >>151165641 >>151168119
>>151157179
Willis constantly likes to show he's on The Right Side but the way he goes about it is so eyerollingly obtuse and full of annoyingly self-congratulating smugness that even if you're on his side you want to dislike how he's doing it. Another trait he shares with Tom Batiuk, Lynn Johnston and the myriad other comic strip creators he considers himself better than.

>>151158592
It's what happened with Occupy Wall Street and a big part of why it flamed out to the point where people think it was deliberate.
Anonymous No.151159922 [Report] >>151160170
>>151158526
It's not the same though, it's a third party making the focus of their reporting two attendees kissing at the expense of everything else. Joyce and Dorothy didn't show up to protest LGBT rights.

>>151159089
OWS was always going to turn into a shitshow because it originally started as a vague antibailout protest.
Anonymous No.151160170 [Report] >>151160887
>>151159922
Going by Joyce’s “I was heroically gay” bit, it’s the same sentiment. Wrong time and place to make the focus about her kissing a girl in public, and she isn’t exactly asking the paper to rescind the picture due to wanting the attention on herself.
Anonymous No.151160887 [Report] >>151162224
>>151160170
Post hoc events. We know as readers it was not her intent nor goals. Joyce is an overemotional idiot, but doesn't have an agenda. Also it's been 24 hours since the photo was published, even the real world doesn't work that fast.

[s]This storyline is less realistic than Toedad's Wild Ride.
Anonymous No.151161827 [Report]
>>151152749 (OP)
bump
Anonymous No.151162224 [Report] >>151164430 >>151165361
>>151160887
Both Asma and Raidah have simply said to Joyce her public romantic stunt has had negative consequences, which is a fact.
Anonymous No.151162700 [Report] >>151163877
The comic should've stuck with Joyce x Joe.
Anonymous No.151163877 [Report] >>151164105 >>151165202
>>151162700
They were only together for two weeks in universe.
Anonymous No.151164105 [Report] >>151164151
>>151163877
And they were perfect.
Anonymous No.151164151 [Report] >>151164314
>>151164105
Why?
Anonymous No.151164314 [Report]
>>151164151
heteronormative
jokes aside I would have liked to have seen it play out some more, I always thought willis would drop joyce and dorothy as the true love end to the comic but I guess he realized he had the power to make the girls kiss whenever he wanted and just did it
Anonymous No.151164430 [Report] >>151164537
>>151162224
I guess Asthma was made gay so a brown muslim woman could talk to Joyce in the "correct" way to make her see the error of her ways. Because otherwise she's been an unimportant largely background character for 15 years and since Kamen Raidah is supposed to be a hatesink villain she can't actually be right about Joyce's behavior even when she is.
Anonymous No.151164537 [Report] >>151165390
>>151164430
Even then the comments were all calling asma a homopohobe for telling joyce to tone it down, it's baffling how black and white they think.
Anonymous No.151164880 [Report] >>151164942 >>151164991
>>151152835
Why does she need to tell anyone? When you're in love, you just pay attention to the person you're in love with. Everything else just becomes background noise.
Anonymous No.151164942 [Report] >>151165007
>>151164880
Because she wants to flaunt the fact she's with Dorothy now.
Anonymous No.151164991 [Report] >>151168401
>>151164880
>>151152835
It's ironic of all people she went to Lucy who probably doesn't give a fuck about anything that isn't attached to Jacob at the moment.
Anonymous No.151165007 [Report] >>151165051
>>151164942
For what purpose? It's not like doing that strengthens a relationship. Shouldn't they be more worried about what they're going to do after college? What's the plan!?
Anonymous No.151165051 [Report] >>151165163 >>151165361 >>151167092
>>151165007
She's a horny 18 year old idiot with no filter and ridiculous preconceptions of love. Have you read the comic?
Anonymous No.151165163 [Report]
>>151165051
>Have you read the comic?
I haven't since toedad, tbqh.
Anonymous No.151165202 [Report]
>>151163877
Within a few weeks about half the campus have fucked each other.
The developments in this comics are both painfully slow and way too fast at the same time.
Anonymous No.151165361 [Report]
>>151165051
If Joyce were a real person, I'd give her a pass considering her background. The real issue is that in-universe her social group only has to deal with her being annoying for a day or two individually while for readers not only do we get every single interaction, it takes up two weeks.

>>151162224
>public romantic stunt
In this very specific situation Joyce and Dorothy did nothing wrong, it's entirely on the school newspaper - who outright stated they don't give a solitary fuck about the consequences.
Anonymous No.151165390 [Report] >>151165577 >>151165586
>>151164537
Way too many comic fandoms nowadays are filled with people who only care about characters being gay and everything else, including actual writing and plot and shit, is secondary. The X-Men since Krakoa are especially bad with this but Dumbing of Age might be the worst. Remember that they were horrified when Mary was being nice to Carla because they didn't want their evil villain to be gay since gay people in Dumbing of Age can't be wrong or bad people (even though they often are).
Anonymous No.151165577 [Report] >>151165702
>>151165390
Willis getting lost in the "let's make everything gay and trans" sauce has really kneecapped the comic in the last few years. It's a shame, after the whole evil dads thing finally had a line drawn under it there were a few years where there was a really nice balance of drama, comedy and romance.
Anonymous No.151165586 [Report] >>151165658 >>151169877
>>151165390
I am 100% down for MaryxCarla as a crackship, but I sure as hell don't want Willis touching it. And I agree with his fanbase that Mary shouldn't be gay. I hate the mentality that homophobes are secretly gay, it's destructively reductive and is a misapplication of anecdotal experience so egregious that it reaches magical thinking. And on top of that, it's a cliche, one that requires the partner be perfectly okay in a romantic relationship with someone who used to harass and despise them, and who is more than likely going to have a massive amount of self-loathing and personal image issues.
Anonymous No.151165641 [Report] >>151165880
>>151157007
>closed comments
Damn.
>>151157179
>>151157268
>>151159089
This is basically the thing conservatives have brought up as a point for the last ten years, the inevitable victim points competition coming down to a war between oppressed Muslims and oppressed gays.

The fact that most of the comments wave leaned in favour of Joyce this arc tells us exactly which side American liberals are gonna take when it really comes down to it.
Anonymous No.151165658 [Report] >>151165736 >>151165880 >>151168149 >>151168657 >>151172422
>>151165586
carla has even said this out loud
Anonymous No.151165702 [Report] >>151165772
>>151165577
I think there needs to be some kind of rule, maybe calle it Shive's Law or something, that says that the longer a webcomic runs, the percentage of characters becoming some form of LGBT approaches 100. And I think it happens pretty much for the reason that online gay autists are the most rabid consumers so long as their very narrow interests are played into so just keep dripfeeding them by making characters gay or trans and you'll be able to keep stringing them along until you've run out of characters.

DoA is at least more interesting than Questionable Content because there's always the possibility of it going off the rails compared to QC's "everyone has boring conversatios in a static 3/4 view" shit.
Anonymous No.151165736 [Report]
>>151165658
>My rich war criminal parents got me everything I ever wanted including hyper-advanced gender operations and hormones that make me otherwise indistinguishable from any other female around me but I had it haaaaard!
Especially dumb in comparison to Joyce's non-passing brother.
Anonymous No.151165772 [Report]
>>151165702
The early American webcomic community is inherently tied to the American digital counterculture of the 2000s. There's no way to separate them.
Anonymous No.151165880 [Report] >>151165923 >>151165938
>>151165658
I'm a sucker for a good fourth wall break.

>>151165641
Keep in mind Willis is having all the salient point come out of a villainous character and by framing the politics in an undeveloped stand-in he's automatically created emotional disconnect in his audience.
Anonymous No.151165917 [Report] >>151166190 >>151168236
>>151152835
>dorothy was inside me
Willis' porn-brained retardation really elevates this series.
Anonymous No.151165923 [Report] >>151167059
>>151165880
We wouldn't even have these "raidah and asma lecture explain why even unintentionally derailing genocide protests is bad" strips if people hadn't complained in the first place
Joyce and Dorothy originally got away with it all scot free.
Anonymous No.151165938 [Report] >>151167261
>>151165880
I actually appreciate this train wreck's community, because it's such a good microcosm of the prog side of the culture war and all its contradictions.

A decent sociology think tank plugged into DoA comments could plan pretty well for the next phase of American society.
Anonymous No.151166190 [Report] >>151166278 >>151166397 >>151172192
>>151165917
Dorothy is a futa I guess.
Anonymous No.151166278 [Report]
>>151166190
Fingers and tongue.
Anonymous No.151166397 [Report] >>151167261 >>151168236 >>151172192
>>151166190
>futa dorothy
it's only a matter of time before this becomes canon
Anonymous No.151167059 [Report] >>151167193 >>151167574
>>151165923
What's bothering me so much is that it's 100% the fault of Daisy and no one - in-universe or in the comment section - seems to realize it.
Anonymous No.151167092 [Report] >>151167261
>>151165051
She's still 18? Fucking christ, I thought they'd be at least sophomores by now.
Anonymous No.151167132 [Report]
>>151152835
I do like that Lucy is visibly uncomfortable though. It's good to know that Joyce making everyone wildly uncomfortable by oversharing is a constant regardless of her beliefs.
Anonymous No.151167193 [Report] >>151167700
>>151167059
They've already absolved Daisy by saying it wasn't her fault since it was a photo at a public protest and she was well within her rights to publish it.
Anonymous No.151167209 [Report]
>>151153644
Hating Joyce and Dorothy for spilling soap-opera all over everything is the best motive any character in this comic has ever had.
Anonymous No.151167261 [Report]
>>151167092
It has been five months in-universe since the strip started. However, 80 days were skipped over between October and January.

>>151165938
I miss Cerb. Sure, they were probably making most things up but it was fascinating as hell.

>>151166397
>Futa Dorothy versus Carla in a battle to decide how to properly tag herm versus trans on boorus
Anonymous No.151167353 [Report]
>>151155463
Sarah is the most based character in the comic, if anyone deserves the privileges that come from dating the deen's kid it's her.

Maybe now she'll finally be able to retaliate when one of the others does some dumb bullshit that she told them not to.
Anonymous No.151167478 [Report] >>151167607 >>151167863
>Joyce adopts the exact same insufferable traits as Becky and Malaya upon "becoming" a lesbian
Is Willis some sort of subconscious chud who can't admit it or something?
Anonymous No.151167543 [Report] >>151167621 >>151167945
>>151157196
>Time to start the next phase of her self discovery journey: intersectionality and how minority factors like being gay or muslim can compound problems and privilege for people.
I hope that when she turns THAT into a self-righteous soapbox to alienate people with, it's by going around saying "I don't see color" and "I'm sorry for not recognizing your struggle". That'd be much funnier than an anachronistic SJW stereotype.

Also it would be good to have something that makes Sarah step in and go "Joyce, you're cringe. Stop being cringe." rather than just being all pontius pilate.
Anonymous No.151167574 [Report] >>151167945
>>151167059
Daisy was being a bitch about it but Joyce has spent the week or however long it's been publicly crowing about it to both anyone who will listen and those who don't want to or don't care. As today's strip shows, she's completely unaware of why anyone would have a problem because she's so wrapped up in herself that she's completely incapable of seeing that, even if she didn't publish the newspaper article, she HAS effectively taken a serious issue and hijacked it to be about what a great, heroic, stunning and brave person she is for having another girl eat her out.
Anonymous No.151167607 [Report]
>>151167478
That tracks with my experience of lesbians.
Anonymous No.151167621 [Report] >>151167945 >>151168036
>>151167543
If Willis had any balls and a real sense of humor, he'd have Joyce turn into Rachel Dolezal while telling Sarah that as a fellow black person herself she totally understands her struggles.
Anonymous No.151167700 [Report] >>151167922 >>151167928
>>151167193
>she was well within her rights to publish it
That's the funny thing, she wasn't. First, there is the issue of relevancy, just because it happened at the protest doesn't mean it's relevant to the protest itself. Two people kissing is completely irrelevant to the topic of the article. Two, privacy concerns. Despite what people think, you do actually have some privacy protections in public spaces. Tying into the first point, despite being in a public space Dorothy and Joyce kissing is not a matter of legitimate concern, the publishing the photograph is an unwanted disclosure of their private lives, and doing so has harmed or disrupted their lives. Third, there is the journalistic ethics issue. Dorothy is an employee of the newspaper which is a massive conflict of interest on their part and the headline, photograph, and context given are blatant sensationalism.

Real world, the photo would never get published by anyone wanting even a veneer of legitimacy, and if the school newspaper did publish it Daisy would be looking at, in all likelihood, a "quit or get fired" ultimatum from the school, the article getting pulled from archives, and lawyers coming into play from Dorothy, Joyce, and the school. And if we're being real, Dorothy and Joyce would probably getting a bunch of threats and some physical intimidation instead of bitchy comments from two people.
Anonymous No.151167863 [Report]
>>151167478
Unironically yes, at least on some level. Remember, Joyce dropped her fundamentalism WAY faster than Willis did; he took years to turn around, and did so largely because fundie pop culture is incredibly lame - the rejection of fundie VALUES didn't come until later.
Anonymous No.151167922 [Report] >>151168619
>>151167700
In the real world this would have just had someone throwing the picture onto social media or a video of it on whatever the Willisverse version of TikTok is called (NikNak or something) and either way it'd have some STUNNING AND BRAVE caption and go at least locally viral.

It would accomplish the exact same things the story currently does (Joyce and Dorothy being outed, Raidah and others upset that their lesbianism as superceded the actual protest) with none of the nonsensical stupidity involved in regards to it being published in an actual (student) newspaper. But I would bet that Willis thinks that doing it that way wouldn't have the same weight so it gets published in the newspaper and the story becomes even dumber and more nonsensical because of it.
Anonymous No.151167928 [Report]
>>151167700
Daisy is probably one of the worst flanderized characters in the cast and removing her because of her dumb lesbian horny brain outing two freshmen and causing them to get threats from incels would have been a good move.
Anonymous No.151167945 [Report] >>151168060
>>151167574
The kiss was on Saturday, the picture published on Sunday, it is now Monday, so 24 hours give or take since they were outed. The problem is that while Joyce is being one of those people who is obnoxious about starting a new relationship, people are acting like she hijacked the protest to announce being gay and singlehandedly destroyed the entire protest movement instead of someone who just got forcibly outed by her college because someone has soaked panties for girl on girl. And also her main critic has a personal vendetta against her and wants to make her miserable.

>>151167543
>>151167621
That reads more as a Dorothy thing than a Joyce thing.
Anonymous No.151168036 [Report]
>>151167621
He wouldn't even need to go that far. Joyce putting a hand on Sarah's shoulder and talking about "understanding the struggle" would be highly entertaining. Especially when Sarah would be rightfully annoyed by getting condescension from some upper-middle-class-white-girl.

>"Dorothy you bitch, this is your fault. You should fuckin' know you can't tell Joyce shit without talking her through it, this happens every time! She starts going around parroting the dumbest version of it!"
Anonymous No.151168060 [Report]
>>151167945
>That reads more as a Dorothy thing than a Joyce thing.
>"As a proud AFRICAN-American I am changing my name to D'nika Kenyatta to better reflect both my heritage and my future as this country's first black president."
Anonymous No.151168102 [Report]
>>151152749 (OP)
no, the point is that joyce fucked up enough that the bad guy is right in this case. that being said, this is incredibly out of character for joyce, who has displayed far better understanding about this sort of thing much earlier in the comic. Willis has kinda forced joyce and dorothy to be extra-stupid for this arc, to compensate for how he used the campus protests as scenery for "two privileged white women", in his own words iirc. he seems to have intended for the bisexuality from early on, but he made no real setup towards this until it was intended to have been obvious all along. now joyce and dorothy, otherwise well-developed characters, have been made dumber; joyce recently, and dorothy quite a bit earlier. he probably didn't mean for dorothy to be quite so hypercompetent, but that's exactly what she was. raidah's small jab is treated as some kind of big shock revelation, but any idiot seriously gunning for presidency would have considered that from the start, and dorothy was among the smartest in all respects.
Anonymous No.151168119 [Report] >>151168619
>>151159089
That's what happens when capeshit-loving midwits decide they're the vanguard of the counterculture.

Gamergate and it's consequences have been a disaster for western civilization
Anonymous No.151168134 [Report] >>151168179 >>151168280 >>151168619
>>151153644
>>151154914
I want Raidah and Mary to be friends so they can be the evil counterpart to Sarah and Joyce. Joyce pushes Sarah to be nicer and more friendly while Mary encourages Raidah to be crueler and more vindictive.
Anonymous No.151168149 [Report]
>>151165658
this isn't even true, is the thing. it's overstated in common casual discussion, perhaps, but i'm willing to bet any tranny here either knows another tranny who was a "sleeper agent", if they weren't already one themselves.
Anonymous No.151168167 [Report]
>>151155263
Joyce stole her boyfriend.
Anonymous No.151168179 [Report] >>151168506
>>151168134
Well one is a muslim and the other is an evangelical who likely hates muslims but it would be an alliance of convenience like when Magneto teamed up with the Red Skull. So it has the added fun of seeing when and how they turn on each other and who backstabs who.
Anonymous No.151168236 [Report] >>151172783 >>151181489
>>151165917
>>151166397

i'm waiting for the real canon bomb to drop: dorothy said, before sleeping with joyce, that she had slept with three people. we know danny and walky are two of them, but there's no timeframe for her to have slept with anyone else unless she was having sex in grade school, which is very un-dorothylike. she was hanging out with danny and joe the whole time, and they all went to college together.

the big reveal will be that joe convinced dorothy to have sex with him, very early on, as a "learning experience" or somesuch, and she made him swear it to secrecy at some point. this will be bad writing, because there's no way that this would have avoided any and all implication in all this time, but joe is literally the only option for dorothy to have had.
Anonymous No.151168280 [Report]
>>151168134
I like that, but want a different parallel, wherein Joyce and Mary realize that their respective black friends are actually right and stop being so fucking cringe.

Mary's cringe is at least cute and endearing, in a chuuni kind of way. Joyce's cringe just makes me want Sarah to stop worrying about the social fallout and start issuing ultimatums backed with "my boyfriend is the Dean's son".
Anonymous No.151168401 [Report] >>151168652 >>151168682 >>151174731 >>151177722
>>151164991
for all the critiques this dude gets, he does draw people actually enjoying sex in a very pleasurable way. not a lot of artists can do that, even porn artists.
Anonymous No.151168506 [Report] >>151168865
>>151168179
I think both are unscrupulous enough that those details wouldn't matter. Raidah's a shameless power climber while Mary's obsessed with rules and grovels to authority figures even when they hate her. They can bring out each other's worst traits while seeing the other as "one of the good ones".
Anonymous No.151168619 [Report]
>>151167922
The storyline would have more weight. Dorothy and Joyce get their lives publicly thrown into disarray immediately after their social network needed to realign, a bunch of political activists they never harmed would be turned against them for something they didn't do, culture warriors and social media bandwagoners freely using them for their own clout and influence without a care for repercussions, and the actual important matters are completely ignored. Everyone demanding that Dorothy and Joyce owe them a pound of flesh because the narratives they've constructed about them are more real than the actual people. That's real drama right there.

>>151168119
Lets be real, the issues go far deeper than anyone is willing to admit, both sides are more complicit in the issues brought up by the other than they're willing to admit, and the discourse is dominated by financial interests more than anyone is willing to admit.

>>151168134
To complete their nature as antithesis Sarah and Joyce, Raidah and Mary are completely alike, down to both being weebs.
Anonymous No.151168652 [Report]
>>151168401
Did he get better at it? I haven't seen his porn in years and back then it was fucking terrible, everyone looked like they were in pain.
Anonymous No.151168657 [Report]
>>151165658
Clearly this is foreshadowing for when Mary comes out as transmasc.
Anonymous No.151168682 [Report] >>151168739
>>151168401
i respect your opinion, but disagree entirely. he's good at lewds, but he gives everyone the same goofy screaming face for sex scenes, and his chunky lines don't work well for the finer details of full nudity. also, prominent bush shaped exactly as the character's head of hair.
Anonymous No.151168739 [Report] >>151169277
>>151168682
saliva strand face every time
Anonymous No.151168807 [Report] >>151169098
The funny thing is that even if Joyce and Dorothy didn't kiss, the second most interesting thing to happen at the not-Palestine protest was the superhero showing up to fight the cops, so THAT would have been the front page story instead. The actual content of the protest is a distant third.
Anonymous No.151168865 [Report] >>151170960
>>151168506
I'd say the comic would be better if it was about Mary and Raidah scheming and plotting against all the whores and heathens but we already saw Willis do a villain team-up and it was retarded.
Anonymous No.151168874 [Report] >>151169091 >>151170067
>>151154177
I'm convinced this is what happened. Raidah has no reason to be angry at Joyce of all people, she didn't ask for any of this. But Willis can self-flagellate by having Raidah attack Joyce for having white privilege or whatever even if doesn't make sense in the context of the story.
Anonymous No.151168899 [Report] >>151169113
>>151157179
Why this strip, of all things? Is he worried too many people would side with Joyce?
Anonymous No.151169091 [Report]
>>151168874
Turns out putting the criticisms of your strip into the mouth of one of the most hated characters just leads to your readership becoming even more polarized to the point of shutting comments off.
I'd scrap the buffer and have Joyce wake up in Joe's bathroom and the last 3 days have been a dream.
Anonymous No.151169098 [Report]
>>151168807
>deprived of social media clout because her aura farming of the protests was interrupted by Amber, a increasingly unhinged Raidah puts on a mask and begins the hunt for Amazi-Girl
Anonymous No.151169113 [Report]
>>151168899
Insofar as they brush off all the criticisms raidah has as homophobia. You know, because she's a muslim and that's what they're all like, right?
Anonymous No.151169184 [Report] >>151169314 >>151170089
https://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Dumbing_Of_Age

This comic and Willis sucks complete dick
Anonymous No.151169277 [Report]
>>151168739
I love that "I use flesh tone outlines when it's porn" bullshit no one else does as though there was any artistic reason to do so
Anonymous No.151169291 [Report]
>>151152835
ALL THAT POOR GIRL EVER WANTED TO DO WAS READ TEEN TITAN COMICS WITH STARFIRE LIKE THE SHOW
Anonymous No.151169314 [Report] >>151169358
>>151169184
I was responsible for this blog and I regret nothing
Anonymous No.151169358 [Report] >>151169391
>>151169314
Thank you for making this, your a real fucking dude.

I can’t even imagine how a guy like Willis exists
Anonymous No.151169391 [Report] >>151169493 >>151169592
>>151169358
I didn't make the blog, I suggested the guy endlessly complaining here about Dominic Deegan stop and take it to a blog platform which is how this wiki started
Anonymous No.151169493 [Report]
>>151169391
damn
Anonymous No.151169592 [Report] >>151169616 >>151169991
>>151169391
Ooooh okay.
Still BWWiki is full on right with this crap.
How do you all deal with this crap constantly?
Anonymous No.151169616 [Report]
>>151169592
reading the comics and judging for yourself is a start
Anonymous No.151169877 [Report] >>151170356 >>151171010
>>151165586
>hate the mentality that homophobes are secretly gay, it's destructively reductive and is a misapplication of anecdotal experience so egregious that it reaches magical thinking.
A hefty chunk of homophobes ARE closeted gay due to internalized homophobia, though.
Anonymous No.151169991 [Report]
>>151169592
>How do you all deal with this crap constantly?
A good chunk of what makes following shitty comics tolerable is making fun of them and picking apart the creator's own personality since their comics will inevitably serve as a reflection of themselves.
Anonymous No.151170067 [Report] >>151170960 >>151172993
>>151168874
>Raidah has no reason to be angry at Joyce of all people
Raidah thinks Joyce is a whore who gets with everyone's boyfriend/girlfriend, but instead of saying that to Joyce's face, she wants to take some moral high ground to make herself feel superior and for Joyce to feel bad about herself.
Anonymous No.151170089 [Report] >>151170125 >>151170129
>>151169184
I never realized walky was black until i saw this wikipage. I always assumed he was a pajeet or something.
Anonymous No.151170125 [Report] >>151170356
>>151170089
>In a special Dumbing of Age story arc, David Walkerton has a harrowing encounter with the Bloomington Police in a tale that we must, with grave solemnity and a heavy heart, call "Walky While Black".
Anonymous No.151170129 [Report] >>151170302
>>151170089
Walky is half-white on his mom side and half-black/indian on his dad's side. Same goes for Sal.
Anonymous No.151170302 [Report]
>>151170129
But Sal is blacker because she's a nnnnnnno good criminal.
Anonymous No.151170356 [Report]
>>151169877
You gonna back that up with hard data?

>>151170125
It's Walky! era Willis would have written arc and it probably would have at least had a solid chuckle or two.
Anonymous No.151170960 [Report]
>>151168865
The ongoing joke would be that Mary and Raidah's schemes and plots always amount to either idle fantasy OR implode on themselves.

Then Joyce and co. mess up on their own due to general incompetence and Mary and Raidah are mad because THEY wanted to cause problems.

>>151170067
Raidah is right.
Anonymous No.151171010 [Report]
>>151169877
It's common enough to be notable as a phenomenon, but I don't know if it's common enough to be called "a hefty chunk".
Anonymous No.151171317 [Report]
>>151154719
No, she never even had any gay panic moments like Joyce. Joyce turned her gay.
Anonymous No.151171438 [Report] >>151171676
When is Becky's "IT'S TIME TO SHIT" moment coming?
Anonymous No.151171676 [Report]
>>151171438
>"Do it?" Amber, I'm not an evil father, do you seriously think I'd mention I'm a lesbian if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting the outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago.
>...
>Just so we're clear, I'm talking about killing Dorothy. She's been dead for a half hour.
Anonymous No.151171785 [Report] >>151172057
>>151157144
>Joyce forgot the plight of the Plasticinians (or whatever Willis called them) pretty quick there. You know, the reason her and Dorothy were even in the situation that led to her being "heroically gay" in the first place.
Joyce never actually cared about that. She didn't know anything about it until Jocelyne told her, then went to the protest to find her sister, then ran after Dorothy after Dorothy decided to make the whole thing about her in order to alleviate her white guilt, leading to the kiss. Shit, if anything this is all Dorothy's fault.
Anonymous No.151172057 [Report] >>151172258 >>151172551
>>151171785
Even when Joyce is worst girl Dorothy still manages to be the actual worst.
Anonymous No.151172192 [Report]
>>151166190
>>151166397
lol
Anonymous No.151172258 [Report] >>151172364 >>151172647 >>151172651
>>151172057
How is Dorothy considered? She always seemed well-meaning to me or at least had/gained a level of awareness.
Anonymous No.151172354 [Report] >>151172370 >>151172416 >>151172523 >>151172567 >>151172883
Tomorrow's strip. Surprise, the ruthless billionaire corpo parents are super wholesome and supportive.
Anonymous No.151172364 [Report]
>>151172258
Joyce is probably Dorothy's only actual friend. Lots of people are friendly with her but she intentionally tried to avoid forming connections in her first semester due to wanting to transfer to the Ivy League. However, the comic itself notes that the same people also find her socially inauthentic and performative. She's also pretty consistently shown to be condescending, judgmental, and a know-it-all.
Anonymous No.151172370 [Report] >>151172385 >>151172416
>>151172354
Why is Carla such a jackass with parents like this? Spoiled too rotten?
Anonymous No.151172385 [Report] >>151172389 >>151172561
>>151172370
Carla is only a jackass to protect herself. She's soft in the middle.
Anonymous No.151172389 [Report]
>>151172385
Have we ever seen this "middle"?
Anonymous No.151172416 [Report]
>>151172354
That's consistent with how they've always been mentioned and portrayed.

>>151172370
Yes, plus apparently Carla was the literal posterchild for transpeople in the setting to explain her attention whore nature.
Anonymous No.151172422 [Report] >>151172458
>>151165658
>every time someone's a walking shitpile
Pot meet kettle
Anonymous No.151172458 [Report] >>151172618
>>151172422
I dunno, Carla is a jerk but she's not actually mean.
Anonymous No.151172523 [Report] >>151174583
>>151172354
Of course they are, they paid for her transition. They're not gonna support their trans daughter but hate her for being gay. They're almost certainly going to talk about her parents supporting Not!Israel. And I bet they're going to say Carla shouldn't care because if she was in Not!Palestine she'd get killed by Not!Hamas.
Anonymous No.151172551 [Report]
>>151172057
Dorothy is pretty much Dumbing of Age's Les Moore: an annoyingly smug and condescending shitbag who everyone praises because she's (partly) an author stand-in in spite of her never actually doing anything to earn that fawning.
Anonymous No.151172561 [Report]
>>151172385
But Mary can make her hard in the middle! Heyyo!
Anonymous No.151172567 [Report] >>151172596 >>151172601
>>151172354
>soifacing
>mom looks like Dorothy
lmao
Anonymous No.151172596 [Report]
>>151172567
Carla is a natural blonde so she'd look like Dorothy too.
Anonymous No.151172601 [Report] >>151172647
>>151172567
She looks like the time travelling magic lesbian baby of Joyce and Dorothy. Willis really likes that hairstyle. And glasses. Seriously why is eyesight so bad in DoA world?
Anonymous No.151172618 [Report]
>>151172458
She is antagonistic towards everyone, but when they push back she hides behind "transphobia". She's almost like the gay coworker from Key & Peele.
Anonymous No.151172647 [Report] >>151172773
>>151172258
In seriousness, Dorothy isn't *that* bad a person, but she suffers from the common problem where a writer isn't clever or well-read enough to convincingly write "smart". She doesn't manage to solve or avoid problems, she usually just kicks them down the road, and sometimes even exacerbates them by doing something hasty and ill-considered. She's also kind of a judgy hypocrite, but DoA is a soap opera and that applies to almost every character except Sarah, who is always right.

The fact that she's supposed to be the smart one who knows better, combined with her being mostly unhelpful and rarely actively detrimental, means it comes across as either her actually being dumb, or her being too selfish to care, or both.

>>151172601
Willis is a hack, but he does understand that glasses girls are the best type of girls.
Anonymous No.151172651 [Report] >>151173056
>>151172258
Dorothy's well-meaning but convinced she knows better than everyone else and thinks she has an obligation to run their lives for them. She's close with Joyce because Joyce likes that, but when Dorothy tried it with Walky she just made his life worse.
Anonymous No.151172773 [Report] >>151179831
>>151172647
I still think that if Dorothy was smart, she wouldn't have broken up with Danny. For someone who wants to get into politics, a trustworthy and reliable S.O. who is willing to be the homemaker is a gold-tier asset. A homelife that's relaxing and supportive, little risk of big arguments or betrayals, no scandals or accusations of philandery. She couldn't have asked for someone better for that, so either she's dumb for letting him go, or she's dumb for not knowing what she wants.
Anonymous No.151172783 [Report]
>>151168236
I thought that too but I figured Dorothy was cheating on Danny with Joe back in high school. She doesn't consider it a real relationship because it was purely physical.
Anonymous No.151172883 [Report] >>151173033
>>151172354
>Carla has a girlfriend

Didn't even know this was a thing. Is it the tranny who was brought in to replace Mike?
Anonymous No.151172993 [Report]
>>151170067
Well, she ain't wrong
Anonymous No.151173033 [Report] >>151179831
>>151172883
No, it's their twin sister
Anonymous No.151173056 [Report]
>>151172651
She is also really bad at being a girlfriend, which is why I'm convinced her relationship with Joyce is not the end of her self-destructing spiral but its crescendo.
Anonymous No.151173137 [Report] >>151173510 >>151173805 >>151175052
>Willis altered the kiss strip once to lampshade Joyce and Dorothy hijacking a protest, then altered it again when he realized it didn't help
This is getting ridiculous now.
Anonymous No.151173510 [Report]
>>151173137
Did Joyce' tranny sibling enable this?
Anonymous No.151173805 [Report] >>151173927 >>151174286
>>151173137
This entire storyline Willis came up with really blew up in his face didn't it?
Is this an even bigger discourse than Carla bothering Mary during her homework?
Anonymous No.151173927 [Report] >>151173977 >>151173984
>>151173805
>This entire storyline Willis came up with really blew up in his face didn't it?

How? As in reader reaction?
Anonymous No.151173977 [Report] >>151174457
>>151173927
Yes. I think he expected everyone to clap and cheer he made more girls kiss (and what is clearly his otp at that) but he managed to piss off people that like Joe, Walky, Becky and Dina and that's not getting into the whole overshadowing a protest against genocide for the big moment.
Anonymous No.151173984 [Report] >>151174696 >>151175833
>>151173927
Yes. There is a lot of discourse going on and Willis is desperately trying to fix it. But no matter what he does, the discourse just keeps growing.
First using a real life political issue as a dramatic backdrop for two white girls kissing. People called him out for that.
Then he inserted the only Muslim characters in some hastily written strips as a quick fix to address this criticism, but as a result he set up his own readers against each other.
Siding with Raidah? You're a homophobe! Siding with Joyce or Dorothy? You're an islamaphobe!
Anonymous No.151174286 [Report] >>151174696
>>151173805
Yes because the Mary stuff was mostly just here and I suspect some trolls in the comments while this is basically Willis' version of Pearl Harbor starring Ben Affleck.
Anonymous No.151174457 [Report]
>>151173977
That's what makes it funny. Icarus flew too close to the crescent moon.
Anonymous No.151174583 [Report] >>151174729
>>151172523
>fuck 'em sandniggers, i got mine
wow, what a compelling and complex character. Very sympathetic.
Anonymous No.151174696 [Report]
>>151173984
I think two things could have pulled his ass out of the fire. One, as pointed out earlier he could have made the focus on Joyce and Dorothy a social media thing and reframed the story, and the second is that he could have continued the protest storyline with Joyce and Dorothy as a secondary plot to have his cake and eat it too.

>>151174286
Carla and Mary did have traction on his website but it had more to do with Willis' poor storytelling leading to people not knowing Carla was trans. Which is why we don't get any concrete info on Carla being trans until after, along with a retcon that literally everyone but Joyce has known Carla is trans for years because she's the most well-known transperson in the setting.
Anonymous No.151174729 [Report] >>151175325
>>151174583
It's very rare for me to defend Willis' writing decisions but I don't actually think this was bad. It's a bolder move than most writers in current year would dare to make a tranny face the fact they can actually be a beneficiary of privilege and not just an oppressed minority.
Anonymous No.151174731 [Report]
>>151168401
to this day I think walky cumming is the funniest thing Willis has ever written in his entire career
Anonymous No.151175052 [Report]
>>151173137
wait? really?
what a little spineless homo.
Anonymous No.151175325 [Report]
>>151174729
It's good writing in general to have moral complexity and having someone come to terms with moral disagreements between loved ones.
Anonymous No.151175833 [Report] >>151175864 >>151177788
>>151173984
>Siding with Raidah? You're a homophobe! Siding with Joyce or Dorothy? You're an islamaphobe!

So nobody's equally pissed about how Joyce and Dorothy hooking up hurts everybody in their circle of friends, or how Joyce is being a total cunt about it?
Anonymous No.151175864 [Report]
>>151175833
Those are also part of the ongoing shitstorm. But it's mostly the smooching during the protest that caused a culture war among Willis' audience.
Anonymous No.151177291 [Report]
Anyone else really hate the upper lip willis now draws in every character? It makes their expressions look so much worse.
Anonymous No.151177722 [Report]
>>151168401
>he does draw people actually enjoying sex in a very pleasurable way. not a lot of artists can do that, even porn artists.
The fuck do you mean?
You don't think a lot of porn artists get to draw people enjoying sex?
What? Do you have hardcore hentai brain rot?
Anonymous No.151177788 [Report] >>151177929 >>151178464
>>151175833
Their friend group is remarkably small. Joyce's primary relationships are Dorothy, Joe, Becky, and Sarah while Dorothy's is Joyce and Walky. They have lots of people they're friendly with but actual friends are sparse.
Anonymous No.151177929 [Report] >>151177996
>>151177788
Dumbing of Age is just Willis recycling all the melodramatic teenage soap operas he has watched.

But unlike series like Beverly Hills 90210 the characters never actually go on fun adventures of self discovery with their friends.
The characters go from DRAMA crisis to DRAMA crisis with only one or two pages of them occasionally doing something like playing videogames or exercising.
Anonymous No.151177996 [Report] >>151178040 >>151178464
>>151177929
Are you really advocating for actual realistic college life recreation?
I get Willis screws up his writing as he has done with the current drama but this is just wilful 2010 somethingawful webcomic hating.
Anonymous No.151178040 [Report] >>151178164
>>151177996
READ, motherfucker, READ.
>But unlike series like Beverly Hills 90210 the characters never actually go on fun adventures of self discovery with their friends.

Actual TV teenage soap operas have the characters go on wacky adventures that flesh them out as characters and develops why they are friends.
It helps space out the big dramatic moments.

Like 80% Of all scenes in this strip happen inside the dorm building.
Anonymous No.151178164 [Report] >>151178336
>>151178040
I dunno, maybe it's because people only remember the dramatics but they've had multiple dorm parties, scenes of characters going to church and hanging out eating or playing games. There was a minor story about Amber speedrunning super mario recently that ate a dozen strips and didn't really mean anything big.
Anonymous No.151178336 [Report]
>>151178164
Those are not adventures.
New jobs, different friendship groups, sports, etc.
We saw like 5 strips about Roller Blading despite that being something like 4 characters are doing.
Soap Operas have to maintain multiple locations to facilitate different stories. Willis just has to draw new sets and instead the characters are trapped in the dorm almost every strip.

These characters don't do SHIT.
Anonymous No.151178464 [Report] >>151179831
>>151177996
>Are you really advocating for actual realistic college life recreation?
I unironically do want that, yeah. There's lots of talk about studying in this comic but we hardly ever see these characters in class, learning things even though that's the point of college. Public school is busywork for retards but in college you get to study the subjects you actually want to study under professors who are experts in their field and make friends with people who share your interests. As >>151177788 says these characters only ever talk to the same three people in their dorm wing but realistically they'd spend most of their time hanging out with other people in their major and be only acquaintances with their roommates.
Anonymous No.151178607 [Report] >>151178820 >>151179987
Boy I took a risk jumping into a thread about a series I've never read. Not sure if I want to dig deeper.
Anonymous No.151178820 [Report] >>151178865
>>151178607
Don't bother reading Dumbing of Age. It sucks.
It is a college soap opera series written by a guy that had a mental breakdown and flunked out of college in the firsts semester and was NEVER in big friendship groups.

It is writing inspired by melodramatic tv soap operas.
Anonymous No.151178865 [Report]
>>151178820
Not to mention it's a VERY long comic to read through if you want to start from the beginning. I trekked through it when the Mary vs. Carla stuff was happening and that was years ago.
Anonymous No.151178998 [Report] >>151179040 >>151179183 >>151179265 >>151179831 >>151179857 >>151181221
What's the chemistry and dynamic for Joyce and Dorothy's relationship? Joyce and Joe had an ex-fundie coming to terms with life without her faith and trying new things unrestricted from it x a former sex-fiend who started to reexamined his life beyond just sleeping around and wanted to get into a genuine, committed relationship.
Anonymous No.151179040 [Report]
>>151178998
Mother and Daughter.
Anonymous No.151179183 [Report]
>>151178998
Joyce is (one of) Willis' self-inserts and I assume Dorothy is either another one or one of his wife. They have no actual chemistry in the strip but then few of the actual couples do.
Anonymous No.151179265 [Report]
>>151178998
Joyce admires Dorothy (to some unhealthy degree) because she sees her as someone capable and smart, who is fit to be in a leadership position, either because she wishes she was like that or because her own fundie upbringing where someone always was in charge of her, or both.
Dorothy likes Joyce because she is someone who (often) isn't afraid to live her own emotions and can genuinely care for other people, beyond it being "the right thing to do", and put herself on the line for them.
Of course, they both have their own defects that will probably come into the relationship. Joyce can be really selfish, self-centered and self-righteous, especially when it comes to what stuff she really wants. Dorothy also has the problem of thinking she always knows best than everybody, so she often dismiss the opinions of others (even her partners) and just pushes whatever she thinks is right.
Anonymous No.151179831 [Report]
>>151172773
Dorothy is very egotistical and very judgmental.

>>151173033
Surprised Willis never caught flak for her considering half the time he writes her as retarded rather than autistic.

>>151178464
Permanent freshman year messes with things. Everyone is going to be mostly filling their gen ed requirements rather than specializing in their major and the proximity and availability created by dorm life means it's easy to have a massive social life full of people you wouldn't normally associate with. My freshman year I had a social circle of almost 20 people of whom only half a dozen were my actual friends. Willis was better about this earlier in the strip with major characters having roommates that weren't important (Dorothy and Sierra) or characters having more important relationships outside the ones they brought to college (Joe and Danny, Joyce and Becky arguably), but with the timeskip has centralized the cast.

>>151178998
Dorothy is Joyce's uptight and controlling dom, Joyce is Dorothy's bratty and slightly retarded sub.
Anonymous No.151179857 [Report]
>>151178998
It feels almost incestuous.
Anonymous No.151179879 [Report]
This comic is exhausting.
Anonymous No.151179987 [Report] >>151180269
>>151178607
Read it but make sure to tap out after Mike dies. Nothing that's happened since then is worth reading.
Anonymous No.151180100 [Report] >>151180132 >>151180948 >>151185020
Anyway I drew this last night.
Anonymous No.151180132 [Report] >>151180482 >>151180948
>>151180100
>Amber is so self-loathing she prefers jilling off to Walky's dick pics over actual sex
Anonymous No.151180269 [Report] >>151180288
>>151179987
I disagree. The current Joyce and Dorothy shitstorm is very entertaining.
Anonymous No.151180288 [Report] >>151180600
>>151180269
Yeah, but only from a meta perspective.
Anonymous No.151180390 [Report]
>>151157310
It's true. The lesbian ninjas will come to your house and kill you if you try.
Anonymous No.151180482 [Report] >>151180775
>>151180132
Walky probably never sent her dick pics. She's Cumming to his Facebook feed or something.
Anonymous No.151180600 [Report]
>>151180288
Well yes but again that's half of what makes following this series good in the first place. If Willis was a boring dope lke Jacques, it'd just be dull but he's an autist with a large ego who can't help but himself into his comic, arrogantly thought that he'd be praised for bravely hooking up Joyce and Dorothy and can't deal with the backlash he's getting from his own fans (who otherwise worship him) over just how he did it. So much so that he's possibly circumvented his buffer to whine about criticism by having it voiced by one of the most despised characters in the series. I'm half-expecting an "it's called writing" style rant from him on his social media if this keeps up.
Anonymous No.151180775 [Report]
>>151180482
She hacked into Dorothy's phone and is getting the pics from there.
Anonymous No.151180948 [Report] >>151181253
>>151180100
>conked out on stolen painkillers, Amber's last bits of shame are helpless to stop her from masturbating with the volume turned all the way up while other people are in room

>>151180132
Willis needs to go full trainwreck and have Joe and Amber hook up.
Anonymous No.151181221 [Report]
>>151178998
They have a D/s relationship where Dorothy is the soft domme who gets to run Joyce's life in exchange for headpats and words of affirmation.
Anonymous No.151181253 [Report]
>>151180948
>>conked out on stolen painkillers, Amber's last bits of shame are helpless to stop her from masturbating with the volume turned all the way up while other people are in room
Luckily the only other person in the room is Dina, who's used to this and completely unfazed.
Anonymous No.151181489 [Report] >>151181531
>>151168236
Joe and Dorothy having a past would explain why she hates him so much even though he's never done anything on screen to deserve it.
Anonymous No.151181531 [Report] >>151182658
>>151181489
Mostly she didn't like him because she thought he was just a chauvinist pig that only wanted to have sex with womans and then drop them after it, an image Joe himself liked to project to avoid getting too emotionally invested in any relationship.
Anonymous No.151182658 [Report] >>151184445 >>151184651
>>151181531
Kinda weird since she's known him for years and dated his best friend throughout high school.
Anonymous No.151184445 [Report]
>>151182658
Well she's a bitch.
Anonymous No.151184651 [Report] >>151184760 >>151185017
>>151182658
Yeah, right when Joe started dating Joyce Dorothy began acting like she always hated him even though for the first 10 years of the comic they were pretty amicable and acted like old friends. Kinda came out of nowhere.
Anonymous No.151184760 [Report]
>>151184651
Well, from recent developments, we can see Dorothy's attitude was from jealousy.
Anonymous No.151184767 [Report] >>151185017 >>151185274
The only way Willis can course correct now is to take a Sinfest style swerve and just became a comic that talks about nothing but Israel and Palestine 24/7.
Anonymous No.151185017 [Report] >>151185274 >>151185492
>>151184651
Given Joyce's random statements about her sexual interests, Joe dodged a bullet. Joyce is 100% the type of person who hits you with a "I only want to have sex if you've taken an ice cold shower and lie perfectly still without making a sound or moving" once you're settled into the relationship.

>>151184767
Bruh, current Sinfest is Romans teaming up with Celts to kill Jews. For DoA to take a Sinfest swerve you'd need something like Raidah suddenly dressing like a veldt bush person and murdering Ethan by biting his dick off.
Anonymous No.151185020 [Report]
>>151180100
>sad and horny girls jerking off at night
nice!
Anonymous No.151185274 [Report] >>151185407
>>151184767
>>151185017
DoA going from edgy centrist to terf to neo-nazi while keeping the same cast would be hilarious. Imagine the plotlines.
Anonymous No.151185407 [Report] >>151185442 >>151185470
>>151185274
Ethan hate crimes Mary, Mary hate crimes Carla, Carla hate crimes Ethan.
Anonymous No.151185442 [Report]
>>151185407
So chuuni zealot, rich transsexual, and conscientious gay man form a rock-paper-scissors?
Anonymous No.151185466 [Report] >>151185508 >>151185579 >>151185936
patreon
with this we are now at *three* days since a joyce and dorothy comic
Anonymous No.151185470 [Report]
>>151185407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0
Anonymous No.151185492 [Report]
>>151185017
I think the idea with Joyce is that having been repressed and unexposed to sex ed or pornography at any point prior, her sexual fantasies are something of a galapagos. Rare and unique oddities which evolved in isolation and are now at risk of being driven extinct by exposure to a wider ecosystem.
Anonymous No.151185508 [Report]
>>151185466
Given that Willis has a nearly year long buffer, I would not at all be surprised if he decided to rearrange whatever was uploaded to the heckin' wholeseome trans shit. Basically jangling keys in front of his readers to distract them while and then goes back to what he'd planned once he thinks they're calm. Or maybe taking the time to redo them.
Anonymous No.151185579 [Report]
>>151185466
Man, her parents are basically just Male Joyce and freckled Dorothy.
Anonymous No.151185591 [Report]
>>151157196
>Joyce is absolutely having a heel turn over this shit. She's learned to be true to herself and it's cost her all her previous thoughtfulness and consideration for others.
That character development makes sense. Joyce spent her whole life feeling guilty about her desires, then dropped the reason for that guilt, and now has no way of knowing when she really should feel guilty. It's gonna be a while before she learns independent moral reasoning (Dorothy should be teaching her that instead of grooming Joyce to rely on her for everything).
Anonymous No.151185626 [Report] >>151185750
I have no idea if I'm even supposed to support JoycexDorothy since it like everyone in-universe is shitting on it since it exists out of selfishness.
Anonymous No.151185750 [Report]
>>151185626
You are 100% intended to support it.
Anonymous No.151185871 [Report] >>151185901 >>151186191
every couple years Willis, a man trapped in arrested development, pushing 50, and still wanks it to college lesbians, writes the most retarded shit put into sequential art. Every time it happens I think, damn, he can't outdo himself, this is the stupidest, most ill-conceived shit I've ever read.

But no, no no. He manages to out retard himself every time he pulls off a stunt like this to bring attention back to his shit comic. Bravo, Willis. Too bad nobody will care after a month and go back to ignoring this garbage.

Go back to Batman jokes.
Anonymous No.151185901 [Report] >>151186077
>>151185871
Leave Batman out of this
Anonymous No.151185936 [Report] >>151186224
>>151185466
Edit.
Anonymous No.151186077 [Report]
>>151185901
Willis used to write Batman jokes in Shortpacked that were pretty decent
Anonymous No.151186191 [Report] >>151186227 >>151186288 >>151186534 >>151186564
>>151185871
>and still wanks it to college lesbians
Common pasttime for men of any age I believe.
The spending of patreonbux on thousands of plastic toys however
Anonymous No.151186224 [Report]
>>151185936
Really impressive work there Anon. Bravo.
Anonymous No.151186227 [Report]
>>151186191
Fucking hell. I bet his kids aren't allowed to play with them or else he throws an autistic shit fit.
Anonymous No.151186288 [Report] >>151186526
>>151186191
Eh. A man's entitled to his hobbies, and if he's successful enough to support it good for him.

To be honest I can't help but grudgingly respect Willis. He's one of the very few webcomic artists who's made a career out of it. And as much as I mock his comics for being dumb soap-operas full of strange anachronisms, he definitely has a consummate professionalism to him. As far as I know he's never had a public meltdown, or tried to delete his prior works, or gone on hiatus because he's crashing out. He maintains an extensive buffer in case he does ever need it, builds and runs his own websites, and manages to keep comic(s) with a massive cast and extremely long runtime straight, rather than relying on blatant retcons.

He's basically the platonic ideal of webcomics as an evolution of newspaper comics.
Anonymous No.151186379 [Report]
how the fuck is this shitty comic still going. It should have ended in 2012.
Anonymous No.151186526 [Report] >>151186638
>>151186288
It really is strange how out of all the webcomics that were active in 2010, Dumbing of Age is one of the few that's not only still ongoing but just as popular now as it was back then (if not more). It helps that Willis already had years of experience by that point.
Anonymous No.151186534 [Report]
>>151186191
He needs to complete his transformation into Batiuk and start dedicating weeks of time to annoying and dull clods (Ethan and Danny making knock-off Transformers and a character named Will Davidson who randomly shows up to derail things and talk about his comic Dulling of Time.
Anonymous No.151186564 [Report]
>>151186191
I am SO GLAD I stopped being the kind of geek that collects that sort of crap.
Anonymous No.151186638 [Report]
>>151186526
He does genuinely seem to care about his comic. I suppose having a wife and kids helps temper some of the terminally online autism that has consumed other authors.