Thread 151163037

Who is more to blame for comics being bad: the people in charge of the industry, or the readers?

>>151163037 (OP)
Your mom.

>>151163037 (OP)
Both. The industry for no having no standards and the readers for continuing to buy regardless

>>151163037 (OP)
OP

>>151163037 (OP)
absolutely the people in charge of the industry. 100%

>>151163037 (OP)
Both. Same as the film industry.

Mostly the industry.
The market isn't dumb enough to continuously like slop, but it is dumb enough to be continously tricked into consuming slop.

>>151163037 (OP)
The industry.

>>151163037 (OP)
>Who is more to blame for crime: the perpetrators, or the victims?

>>151163037 (OP)
both, but mostly people in charge.

>>151166224
Do victims pay perpetrators for committing crimes on them?

>>151163037 (OP)
The people in charge make the horrid decisions, but as we saw with Didio getting the boot it's a matter of the fans not knowing how to properly protest that lets them sit comfortable.
If people truly cut their weekly or monthly lists instead of just complaining but buying anyway most publishers would cut the nepo-hire fat once they realize brand names won't guarantee sales if good writers and artists aren't keeping it afloat.

>>151163037 (OP)
Me. Sorry, fellas.

>>151163037 (OP)
(You)

>>151163037 (OP)
The industry.
Fans are gone.
All they gave left are degenerates, oldsters eho buy out if habit, snd comic shops who buy out of misplaced obligation.

>>151163037 (OP)
I want to say the people in charge of the industry because they have way more power in the direction things go but the fans are also pretty bad.

>>151163037 (OP)
Readers are retards.

>>151163037 (OP)
Readers

The people in charge of the industry, obviously.

>>151163218
Yup, both. Publishers and editors are at fault for going out of their way to hire obnoxious, talentless fucks to write hacky agitprop, but readers are at fault for continuing to blindly buy those terrible comics just to fulfill some autistic collector's compulsion.

>>151172697
But readers like obnoxious, talentless fucks to write hacky agitprop

Nig Lowe is a Nigger.
Tom Cuckvoort is a Zionist Nazi Kike.
Cuckbulksi is a manlet fatass.
Zeb Wells is a nigger and he'll never be Jewish. His ex-wife deserves a real man that can satisfy all her needs.
Bendis is a cuckold and a kike too.

>>151163218
The thing is though most readers stopped buying and nothing has changed. So no it's mostly the people in charge who don't see anything wrong with the ship they're sinking

>>151173574
What moronic take. Companies have never stopped trying out things to get more readers. Meanwhile all readers do is whine endlessly how they hate everything and even when they’re offered things they claim to want they don’t buy them and the books get cancelled. The problem is rooted entirely in people in general not wanting to read comics.
>But Muh Manga!
People don’t perceive manga as “comics”. They think of it as its own separate thing. There is little interest in general manga readers to ever read anything western comics and it’s got nothing to do with being woke or whatever the fuck you whine about. It’s just because they think comics are lame and for small children.
>Just write good comics!
What you may consider “good” isn’t what manga readers think is interesting.
>But muh flashy fights
Why would they go for that in western comics when they already get it from manga. You spectacularly do not understand how people think and act.

>>151173745
Nta but people want to read comics. It's just impossible to find any modern ones
that aren't woke and gay

>>151173782
>people want to read comics.
Sales don’t reflect that.
>It's just impossible to find any modern ones that aren't woke and gay
Not only is this entirely inaccurate, it’s irrelevant to buying decisions and just outright pure culture war brainrot garbage.

>>151173978
>Sales don’t reflect that
Wring. Manga sales show it.

>>151174018
This was already addressed before. Manga readers want to read manga. They aren’t interested in western comics.

>>151173978
Societal entropy. Eroding standards in all things everywhere.
Anyone consuming media made after the year 2000 deserves what they get.

>>151174022
It wasn't addressed. People look at comics as just capeshit, and even when they read them they're decompressed and don't even have cool action despite the fact that they're supposed to be of the action genre.

>>151174090
>But… but… superheroes!

If they didn’t want superheroes they could read other comics. Why is it always that this mythical reader who desperately wants to read has no issues with manga but are somehow complete morons who can’t grasp that comics beyond superheroes exist and are easily available?

>>151174088
Okay, boomer

>>151173978
>Sales don't reflect that
Because they are woke and gay. Even indie stuff is woke and gay just with blood and uncensored swearing
>Not only is this entirely inaccurate, it’s irrelevant to buying decisions and just outright pure culture war brainrot garbage
It really isn't. No comics actively appeal to a large male audience because they are feminine and contain woke shit

>>151174354
>Every reader and potential reader is a bigoted conservative like me!
>Manga isn’t feminine! It totally isn’t!

Keep telling yourself that.

>>151174114
>they could read other comics
Two things:
-Superheroes have such a stranglehold on the industry that it's hard to escape them, and even so, the over abundance of them colors people's perception
-They're usually not good

comics are good though

>>151175366
>Every reader and potential reader is a bigoted conservative like me!
No one said this though. There's a baseline level of masculinity that even liberal guys can understand the appeal of and western comics don't have any masculine titles for men to latch onto.
>Manga isn't feminine! It totally isn't!
I'm just saying it not as feminine as western comics and actually makes attempts at diversity with its stories and characters, allowing them to attract a larger audience. Western comics are simply too woke and gay to attract more readers. Simple as

>>151175369
>it's hard to escape them

No it’s not. For someone pretending to love comics you have dumb as shit views

>>151175548
Bro, you’re the one that’s gay

>>151176475
>No argument
Typical

>>151174022
I would probably read more comics if they weren't so lame and completely devoid of things that I enjoy.
No one just decides to avoid an industry just because of the region it comes from, they avoid it because they've already seen the output of that industry in that region and decided that it's clearly not aimed at them.

>>151175387
Absolutely not.

>>151176684
People don’t read comics because for the past 80 years the zeitgeist said they’re lame shit for kids. The idea people want to read comics but can’t because durrrr every single comic ever published is bad is fucking nonsensical bullshit people like you love to claim without any evidence beyond your own petty nerd grievances.

>>151178460
And why has the zeitgeist said that they're lame shit for kids?
You're literally just repeating what I said back to me, a reputation doesn't just come out of nowhere, comics have the reputation they have because of what the industry has been producing.

>>151163037 (OP)
I will proudly take full responsibility for refusing to buy comics

>>151167713
Comics barely sell, so…

>>151178587
Because for decades there was censorship that forced them to be lame kiddy shit and comics never have been able to shed that image

>>151178675
Wait I thought comics were super edgy slop that just happened to have censored swears in the same pages where people are violently dismembered?

>>151178675
And why have comics never been able to shake that image?
That censorship hasn't been relevant for basically 2 generations now, so that clearly can't be the only issue.

>>151178765
Because it’s very hard to change your image when a certain perception has taken root and people don’t pay attention anymore

>>151163037 (OP)
Everyone really. Everything that could have gone wrong with the comic industry in America pretty much has. Now we're downstream from decades of kids growing up not reading or barely seeing comics so new talent isnt really being attracted unless their nepo babies writing about their boring lives.

>>151163037 (OP)
How related is that pic, OP?

>>151178816
And why do people not pay attention anymore?
How were video games able to go from "nerd shit for kids" to "played by almost everyone?"
How was TV able to go from "forgettable realityshit and sitcoms" to "prestige?"
How was manga able to go from "tentacle rape and schoolgirls for perverts" to "still for perverts, but way more popular?"
Eventually the industry needs to look inward, comics have the reputation they have because of what they put out, what they promote, and who they push as the important creators within the industry.

>>151163037 (OP)
The industry for being all about diversity, but not being internally diverse enough to realize how few people are actually "I want to see Poison Ivy talk about transphobia"-levels of woke.

hot take: the world simply has moved from comics to live-actions and animations except japan and it's not a bad thing

>>151178858
An image of some comics. That's it.

>>151174114
>>151174090
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>Here!? This is the comics you want to read! This is the single most convoluted and unnecessarily self-destructive industry you could choose from. There are so many other comics you could read and recommend, it'd be easier and cause less problems. Why this!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgxmDFG0ZGw

>>151179181
My comfy vocaloid algorithm better not be filled with political family guy skits because of you

>>151178983
It's a bad thing. Comics is just a medium. Many things can be done with it, but the comics industry has a stranglehold on it and doesn't want it to become a primary source of revenue.
Japan found out how to monetize it properly.