Thread 151171063

https://mega.nz/file/0XNBST4S#whRoNQbdOxkyG3P6QU3EMZXuTPVUbHv57ampMOp7eAg

For those that don't know, the Binder of Revelation was the lore book used internally at Hasbro to plan ahead the Aligned continuity, including the Prime cartoon, and the general series lore, meant to combine aspects from all continuities up till then.
Infamously, the book was a pointless endeavor as all the writers that came later were quick to ignore it as they pleased, so the full contents leaking is little more than a curiosity.
Still kind of interesting, it's a look at how Hasbro viewed the franchise in the early 2010s, there's some story ideas that were never used and lots of character profiles.

Also, it's big. 350 pages.

>>151171063 (OP)
that's cool and all but im makin dinner right now

>>151171063 (OP)
>Infamously, the book was a pointless endeavor as all the writers that came later were quick to ignore it as they pleased, so the full contents leaking is little more than a curiosity.

I mean it's not entirely pointless. Hasbro didn't keep a centralized lore log at all before this, so any new line runner was left to their own devices to work. Even if they ignore specifics, it at least helps make framework.

>>151171063 (OP)
>as all the writers that came later were quick to ignore it as they pleased
Basically: pretty much par for the course when it comes to Hasbro being incompetent.

>>151171477
blame IDW for this

>>151171063 (OP)
thx bro

>>151171536
>>151171063 (OP)
it was actually prime

>>151171640
this also explains why RID15's Fallen uses the bayverse lore instead of the Aligned lore they wrote an entire book about

>>151171640
It seems to me Prime started before the Binder was ready, made by people without the kind of knowledge that would go into the Binder anyway, and then the Prime people couldn't be bothered to obey the Binder when it was written. Essentially the lead project for Aligned was made by people who had no interest in Aligned. The entire project was comically doomed from the start.

>>151171640
>pedowood writer and director ego ruins another tv show

>>151171769
It kind of doesn't. Wasn't that a different studio? Shouldn't they have been kept under proper editorial oversight by Hasbro?

>>151171640
>obsessed with weird colors
Director was a rare fan of G2

>>151171536
nah this was a problem long before IDW even existed. Media was a secondary, promotional thing for Hasbro for decades. Being a fan isn't a requirement for running a toyline so a lot of their design leads were only slightly familiar and would have to do research themselves outside of whatever assorted archives Hasbro had. And before the 2000's, full home video archives weren't really a thing either.
this is why you have stuff like the Beast Wars writers having to ask fans for info online and having to buy their own reference material(which is how Primus, a comic-only concept, got implemented into the show which likely was likely meant to follow the G1 cartoon, among with other comic aspects)

>>151171899
Beast Wars is utterly bizarre for being utterly beloved, and probably the only thing to ever follow up with the G2 comic.

>>151171780
nope, same studio.

Omnicons being mentioned is the first time since Energon I remember. It makes sense being connected to Solus for this iteration.

>>151171993
So after tanking a huge show due to obstinate decision making, Hasbro handed them the contract for their next show? Yeah.... yeah that tracks.

>>151172036
They had assets to flip and the show's tone and style were changed differently. Probably was easier than trying to find another studio.

>>151171931
There was an interesting time in the late 90's/2000's where whoever was doing the bios at Hasbro was really into dropping lore in the toy bios. So you'd have things like the Japanese anime BW series being referenced, Magmatron literally being the Japanese Magmatron and not just some alternate version, T-wrecks referencing Grimlock's G2 appearances and implying he's a reformatted Grimlock.

>>151171769
Interestingly, they seem to use Bay Fallen as influence for how they wanted him to be in modern day in the Binder, even with image of that one and goal of sun harvesting. Although he is described as paranoid and thinking his actions will help Cybertron, while the RiD15 one seemed lucid.

>>151172228
Actually, this thing has things all the way up to Age of Extinction being referenced. Is this really a product of the late 2000s?

>>151172036
>>151172087
Hasbro also had a major restructuring and departures of significant people around 2013 as well. So anyone who would've been particularly upset over the changes would've been gone. In fact, that leak about the issues came from an employee who's role with the planning of Aligned and other projects ended with the dissolution of those plans due to budget cuts.

>>151172272
>Fucking Windblade.
I'm definitely looking at something from later on. This definitely isn't the original BoR. Bumblebee being Nexus/Solus as his main influences sure sounds weird though.

>>151172123
>T-wrecks referencing Grimlock's G2 appearances and implying he's a reformatted Grimlock.
to be fair, BW Grimlock was already just straight-up G1 Grimlock

>Minor planets from the Funpub comics are listed in that, but not Gigantion (maybe they rolled the Jungle Planet into another one from Beast Wars because it wasn't named specifically in English)
Actually what the fuck?

>>151171063 (OP)
>Also, it's big. 350 pages.
I suspect this is why most writers ignored it. I mean it's actually pretty neat and useful that they collected the lore like this, but I imagine most creatives would chaff at the very thought of it. Nobody wants to dig through hundreds of pages to make certain each episode doesn't contradict something, after all.

>>151172857
It also is a scattered mess with many typos and weird priorities.

>Bumblebee is daring compassionate, emotional and unpredictable, just like Nexus Prime. His empathy and earnest battle skills are also like Solus Prime
Hurry up and finish making the Thirteen into toys Hasbro, and then forget about them. Such an annoying belabored concept.

>Shockwave at C-Tier
??????
i get this was from a different time, but he always felt on the same tier as Megatron/Starscream/Soundwave. his appearances are always really important.

in TFA, he played a big role and was part of a big twist. in DOTM, he was advertised as the main antagonist, he and his driller were frequently shown off in promos, and he's the final antagonist of the video game tie-in. in TFP, his return is a big "oh shit" moment, with Megatron even claiming he's their key to victory.

Ratbat and Lugnut are rated a tier of importance above him, and he's placed on the same level as Blitzwing which feels insanely off.

on that note, Soundwave's listed as B-Tier which is also really weird. he's almost always next to Megatron and Starscream, shouldn't he be on the same level as them? A-Tier is above B-Tier, so i guess it makes sense to say he's underneath Megatron and Starscream, but it also places him on the same level as Lugnut which is weird.

shouldn't it be Megatron/Starscream at A-Tier, Shockwave/Soundwave at B-Tier, then Soundwave's cassettes/Blitzwing/Lugnut/whatever other "shows up to fill a slot on a team" characters for C-Tier?

>>151172272
>Actually, this thing has things all the way up to Age of Extinction being referenced. Is this really a product of the late 2000s?
they apparently updated it around 2015 to incorporate some ideas that had emerged after the original version had been made

>>151172857
well yeah because they're lazy

>>151171477
Didn't they use stuff like the Ultimate Guide before the Binder?

>>151171882
Based

>>151173256
Not really. Sunbow Shockwave was just Megatron's space janny. Animated was like the only time he was above Soundwave in the pecking order. And the Cassettes are basically his accessories, a lot of the time they don't even talk.
Lugnut being so high is weird through. Maybe it's just a remnant of them wanting to push Bulkhead?

>>151174631
yeah, but in the Marvel comics that were out at the same time, he was high ranking. Even the cartoon suggested he was one of the top guys which is why he was left in charge in Meg's absence.

>>151171477
nah, it was pointless. new writers don't want to beholden to this one specific continuity and anyone looking for reference material for all the previous material won't find the information they need in this.

It was Hasbro trying to fit all future writers and creators into one box which had some logic at the time, but no writer would want this thing. It's basically one guy's vision controlling everyone else's

>>151174451
You had Ultimate Guide and War Within in the 2000s, and Ultimate Guide was where the Thirteen first appeared period.

This polarity shit is weird, like blood types and horoscopes for robots

>>151171063 (OP)
I hated how this thing tried to corral the largely G1-oriented War for Cybertron game continuity into the Aligned/Prime continuity.

I'm not saying the game continuity had to be strictly G1 driven, but it lead to weird inconsistencies.

>>151175700
>Not having AB-type Oil

>>151175178
It's not so much about being beholden to a single continuity, but more like having a reference book to start off with, which again they had nothing for.
You can see the influence of that in something like Transformers One

>>151175727
Fun fact: canonically, there are two duplicate universes where WfC/FoC take place. One is an Aligned-type universe, and the other is a G1-type universe.

Also for anyone still holding onto the now decade-outdated idea:
WfC/FoC, the Aligned books, and the Aligned TV shows are officially three separate universes. They aren't the same single universe, squinting at differences or not.

>hasjew still gets hacked all the time
Top fucking kek. God I hate this disgusting soulless retarded corporation like you wouldn't believe.
t. horsefucker

>>151175522
>and Ultimate Guide was where the Thirteen first appeared period.
Technically true, but the idea of a small group of Primus-created Transformers before the Transformers proper predates it. It's member count is off by one!

>>151176611
One of them even had a toy on retail shelves recently!

>>151176232
But it only references that specific continuity. It's pointless.

>>151176539
>WfC/FoC, the Aligned books, and the Aligned TV shows are officially three separate universes.

Yeah but playing FoC, you can really feel the story and setting is bending over backwards to try to work things from Prime into its originally-G1 based story.

>>151175727
That was the intention; with Hasbro seeing how big the movies had gotten they wanted to find a way to bridge the gap between classic Transformers and the movie. Hasbro had far less say in the movies, so they were concerned the classic designs they had direct control over would be overshadowed, so they wanted to combine aspects of the two even if they didn't quite mesh the best.
>>151171772
That was what happened with the WfC game. Production wrapped and Hasbro told them they were going to use it to launch a new universe. This news kinda fell by the wayside at the time because none of the Aligned plans would be announced for another few months to a year. I suspect it was similarly a case for Prime where they were asked to do a hybrid of G1/Animated and the movies.

>>151176841
Yeah but WFC felt like a fairly congruent mix of things, while FoC really felt like it was straining to accommodate things, like turning Trypticon into the Nemesis, especially considering the Prime cartoon had the Nemesis briefly come alive but made no mention of the fact it was supposidely formally Trypticon, and none of them acted as if it had been alive before.

My point is FoC did a lot of things that felt unnecessary in an attempt to try to line up with Prime.

>>151176753
That might've been the intentional reason, but these days it just works as a way to hand any new creators a baseline of concepts instead of having them watch prior shows/read comics. If they ignore or change certain aspects it's no longer a big deal,
Of course even then a lot of creators just choose to use the TFWiki instead I'm sure.

>>151175160
>comics
don't matter as much
And being high ranking in-universe doesn't mean being important.

>>151177706
I'm reminded of when they tried making comics that presented WFC/FOC and Prime taking place in the same universe

Having Prime-Ultra Magnus running around with the FOC-Dinobots looked very wrong.

>>151171102
i wish armada and energon got re-animated, or at least in armada's case, better animation. the designs are so good

>>151177058
I get that too,really just going into why they made such decisions in the first place.
I always wondered if the eventual goal of WfC was to do a G1 style Earth based game. It's interesting that the whole point between the cybertron era and the Prime era(if we're entertaining the idea that they're both in a similar broad timeline) is just never explored. The Binder makes it out to be the events of the movies, where as the Covenant of Primus talks about the events of Prime but glazes over the initial events on earth. It's a big gap that I'm surprised nothing was attempted with.


Here's another interesting thing from this leak- it's evident that they were updating it even after the initial Aligned/Unit-E plans fell by the wayside. There's aspects of AoE and RiD2015 mentioned even after the initial planners of the Binder left.

>>151171063 (OP)
Neat. Around a year ago we had the Bionicle production documents leak due to a misunderstanding, and now this. Media-driven toy franchises have some fascinating production details, especially if the creators really want to tell stories and build worlds but market plans and conflicting visions get in their way.

>>151173330
>well yeah because they're lazy
But aren't we all?

>>151178618
I imagine if you're getting paid for something you should put more effort.

>>151177833
There's probably too much a discrepancy by now since it was such early digipaint stuff, but Armada would've been well served with 3 compilation movies or something like that with fixed animation for more important sequences

>>151175700
what's your transformers polarity, bros?

>>151180289
there's like two you get, i think. a primary and a complimentary

>>151179192
yeah, it had a lot of bloat that could be cut down. hell, someone could probably do that as is.
at least it got one good game
hope someday it gets bundled with war/fall of cybertron

>>151180289
I was born on Earth, so I don't know how that converts. Somehow Windblade has one though.

>>151180471
just pick the ones that sound the most like you
also, realized the second screenshot cuts off a bit, so here's the fixed version

>>151180550
I'm a fucking loser like Scavenger and not good with people like Blast Off, so Micronian/Vectorian maybe?

>>151179179
Do you also bite the corporate line that you're part of one big business family and need to embrace company culture?

>>151173256
I think this just shows how insanely out of touch they are

>>151173256
The tiering is roughly "how often this character should show up". So your Optimus Prime and Megatrons are in every episode, but Shockwave doesn't need to show up every episode. It isn't based on in-universe importance.

>>151171063 (OP)
transformers is just a worse abc warriors

>>151182133
>abc warriors

I have no idea what that is.

>>151182133
Bruh, this meme ain't sticking

>>151175700
It adds up for what they were trying to do with the band, get it expanded in a way like the big two comics do where it be more detailed than just bad guys and good guys and get the subteams to be more interesting than just being altmode/gimmick themed.

>>151182421
I vaguely do. It's 2000-AD related, 5(I think) robots fighting that Warlock from the books on Mars.

>>151182133
Maybe Furman, but I don't think the people in the United States would have been aware enough of that to be an influence.

>>151180889
It was written around 2010, when Shockwave's last major role outside of the comics was Animated and before then, being Shockblast and completely different in Energon.
At the time they were just getting the name Shockwave back for the DOTM movie where he was basically a fakeout villain for the sentinel reveal. Point was that he wasn't considered a staple since they simply weren't using him as a staple(partly for name reasons)

>>151180785
There's a big difference between having corporate culture extend to your personal life and something as basic as doing some research for an IP you're working on.

>>151184042
Fuck that. Do the minimum required per contract or job description, period. No more, no less. You were hired to write a project, as long as the bosses don't care if you ignore their 350 page manifesto why should you?

>>151184744
I've done blue collar work for a living, if I'm in a position where I'm getting to write about robots, I'm going to damn well put my all in it because reading is far less back breaking than physical work.

>>151184766
Your all in it, or put all that's in the stupid Binder into it? Because one is you getting to write your story your way, and the other is you having to bend over backwards to conform to the ideas of others. I know which one I'd prefer.

>>151180889
To be fair, this still happens. See Hasbro thinking people give a shit about Ironhide when it's Ratchet people give a fuck about, especially since Ratchet got more character development and exploration as a character in the comics than Ironhide got in all of the G1 media of the cartoon

bump

>>151185399
how dare you

>>151182786
that's not Furman, it's Mills