Thread 151195921

Jesus christ I fucking hate how every slice of life out there is "Ugh, i hate my Californian wageslave life, muh college debt, muh rent", every animator lived the exact same life, they have nothing interesting to say

>>151195921 (OP)
And you have no new complaints, next?

>>151195921 (OP)
>every animator lived the exact same life, they have nothing interesting to say
Absolutely this. Not much relationship experience either. Just boring styles as well. I’m noticing many many many animators born in California or New England. The blended blob culture of both has resulted in a very dull animation landscape desu

>>151195969
this is the problem with art in the current years, no one is experiencing life so we are just copy pasting what we saw before

>>151195921 (OP)
Western animation is death is due to its inability to shake its inbred relationship with California.

>>151195921 (OP)
There's a big misunderstanding about what SOL is supposed to be among contemporary American artists. Slice of life is not supposed to be like a self-indulgent diary entry: "this happened to me, that happened to this person, I live X kind of lifestyle, etc".

What SOL is SUPPOSED to be:
>taking the most interesting/weird/bizarre/funny/charming/odd things that happened to you, your friends and family, and your community in your daily lives, and using that as a vehicle for adventure or comedic storytelling

There's all sorts of school SOL manga and various American SOL sitcoms (cartoon or live-action) that reuse the same settings and stock characters. What makes the best stand out from the forgettable trash is the sheer amount of whimsy/fun and how dedicated they are to finding beauty and joy in the simple things.

You won't find that in stuff like pic related because even if lots of people in California share similar lives, they're not willing to do the emotional work to separate themselves from the crowd in how they tell stories. Japan is very collectivist and pro-conformity, but you can't tell me that Nichijou and Azumanga Daioh are completely interchangable.

>Ugh, I hate my Victorian wageslave life, muh college debt, muh rent
FTFY yah seppo

>>151196119
Nichijou is a bit of a parody of cute-girls-doing-cute-things that Azumanga was an early example of (and more comedy-heavy than some later examples)

>>151195921 (OP)
Now I want a parody of this where the entire cast have the same backstory and motivations etc.

Could be good for a one-shot short

>>151196119
This. This so fucking hard.

>>151196185
>>151195969
I'd argue that the root cause for "everything looks the same these days" is composed of multiple factors

>literacy rates are low (they kinda always have been, particularly in America) but they've never been lower among artists until now
>mass surveillance/cellphone and social media culture creating mass anxiousness and the normalization of being comfortable with not truly being yourself (and chasing trends)
>artists these days are more anti-business than ever (which can be good but also extremely bad), especially when it comes to common sense
>the 08 recession and its consequences

>>151195921 (OP)
>Californian
Day Job is Aussiekino

>>151196160

How about an entire small town? (The mayor, police officers, everybody)

>>151196321
that's how watered down SoL are now

>>151196334
Every single person in the town being a boring, naval-gazing failed artist with no creativity.

>>151196334
>>151196375
Isn't that just Portlandia?

>>151196281
> literacy rates are low (they kinda always have been, particularly in America) but they've never been lower among artists until now
They haven’t always been low. It’s almost as if you have hoards of third worlders pour in and ship their spawn to school with english being of no priority to these retards then you get problems.
Also the issue of DEI hires and stories. No one gives a fuck about some Chinese bitch and their generational trauma bullshit.

>>151195921 (OP)
Yet you're watching.

Day job is kino, though

>>151195921 (OP)
I think a major issue is that unlike other mediums, indie animation takes so much time and is something you get into young and requires certain locations that as a result the type of people who bother to do it are very similar

People who wrote novels in years past always came from more interesting lives because those novels spawned from a story to tell. People who slave away drawing frames of a cartoon in hopes to pitch it to hollywood are obviously gonna wage slave to make ends meet and put out their trendy toon while they're under 40.

>>151195921 (OP)
>Californian
But Day Job is clearly set in Australia...

>>151196332
So kissable

>>151195969
>or New England
In what universe? I live in Boston and never get any sort of representation from works that don't involve Seth MacFarlane nor sports. Are you a euro who thinks New York is part of New England?

>>151198355
>born in
Read, nigga.
Dana Terrace and Rebecca Sugar come to mind

>>151198398
Maryland isn't even close, and southwestern Connecticut barely counts.

>>151195921 (OP)
Day Job is not one of those shows, but otherwise you are correct that Califags think their self-inflicted lifestyle of being a barista in one of the extremely expensive west coast cities, wallowing in college debt and mental illness is interesting and compelling material for cartoons and shows and it's not.

>>151196281
Literacy is in the shitter because the DoE once again changed the methods and standards by which reading is taught to try and keep retarded shitskins from flunking out of kindergarten, and it fucked the later end of the zoomer generation and the gen alpha kids so bad that they can't even really read and only parse meaning, which they invent based on arbitrary whims. So if you're ever in an argument or just trying to explain something to someone online and they just keep coming up with wild asspull shit to be angry about that you never said or implied, you're probably dealing with one of the illiterate zoomer golems who is incapable of communication and articulation.

>>151198529
So what? It's all coastie elitism

>>151195921 (OP)
California has interesting places and sub cultures you could work with, but all the people making these cartoons are fucking nerds.

>>151195921 (OP)
Everything will look like a gay therapy session when all you do is go to therapy and be gay.

>>151198641
I think it shows that there is probably *some* appetite to see this lifestyle reflected in an animated medium the question is just how much appetite is there? I don't think the market can actually support that many shows like that. And of all the attempted pitches and projects I still think most of them would lose out to someone who wrote a more energetic lifestyle for it's cast. I live in Los Angeles and there's plenty of fun stuff I have never seen reflected in these kinds of projects that maybe other people could find interesting. Basically what >>151198808 says.

>>151195921 (OP)
There's something sad about Americans generally being shit at making human SoL shows. King of the Hill might be the only one that captures a subculture and is actually a slice of life and not a dramacor wacky caricature of a specific town/city. With how many hobby SoL exist in Japan you'd think that more Western creators would do something like a hiking, biking, or craft hobby show. Even in the writing sphere all the "cozy cafe" fantasies are limited to cafe/basic storefront concepts.

>>151195921 (OP)
>every animator lived the exact same life, they have nothing interesting to say
So you and the people on this board are sonehow more interesting? A bunch of loser NEETS who never leave their houses and have zero practical knowledge on how to do anything for themselves?

Interesting how everyone itt is complaining about California when the show's Australian. Just for you to see how "flavorless" the show ended up being, which was one of my complaints. Like removing the English aspect out of Peep Show, the Canadian out of Trailer Park Boys, the New Yorkian out of Seinfeld.
>>151196119
This. Danshi no Koukousei is the best example I can think of for men. Most of the eps have things that probably happened to you and your friends, upped to a comedic extreme. (Could Mission Hill be used as a Western example?)
Day job so far lacks anything to reel me in, other than perhaps character designs. Interestingly, the comic that was posted in another thread managed to capture a SoL "vibe".

>>151199091
I know this isn’t the answer you’re looking for Anon, but I’ve always wondered what a show from a different line of work would look like. For example, I’ve worked in childcare SINCE I could work, it’s one of the easier jobs to get right out of college too and I never see shows that put the focus on the adults in childcare work.

>>151199469
Mission Hill, Daria, As Told By Ginger, Dr Katz and Downtown probably all count

>>151196119
the problem is that these people don't know the meaning of abstraction.
take centaurworld, which i consider a great show.
the asian author had a classic tiger mom, study to be a doctor kinda deal, and she found liberation in joining the theater club and hamming it up with friends.
the show is about a war horse isekai'd to an alternate reality which is all sunshine and rainbows on the surface and everything is just plain weird.

the average californian animator works in retail and their shows are about their self-insert working in retail but the situations are slightly exaggerated, if that

>>151195921 (OP)
kinda what's bound to happen when nepotism drives you to exclusively hire people who are almost exactly the same. they're so completely mindbroken by le heckin drumpf that they're afraid to even consider anyone born in the area between los angeles and new york.

i'm gonna make a slice of life animation about being a fat union guy at an air traffic control radar center

>>151196436
I thought that show was going to be self indulgent trite about annoying hipsters, but it turned out to be a parody of that, leaning so far into its own concept that it actually did just eventually become that anyway

>>151195921 (OP)
Okay thank you for cropping that image and making a thread about something nobody else knows or cares about to complain about it.

>>151198808
>>151195969
>>151196664
why don't they just get actual writers to write stories. I don't want to watch a 10 minute cartoon about how some unemployed 20 year old girl couldn't figure out how to set up a DVD player and then it turned out her cat was chewing on the cable the entire time.

>>151195921 (OP)
who cares. this guy is an animator on smiling friends, just appreciate his other work instead of this trite.

>>151199740
Writers cost money that could be used for animation

>>151195921 (OP)
I swear it's just 3 guys making the same threads

What are some SoL concepts you'd like to see? I'll start
>SoL about the worst nerd stereotypes in the 90's - 2000s collecting merch, going to conventions and getting into dumb argumens. I wish the Eltingville pilot had been greenlit
>Wageslave SoL but the characters are scientists and engineers working in a research facility getting harassed by alien entities. Basically Voices of the Void the show

>>151199788
isn't that second one kind of Inside Job

>>151198696
Dictators always love the poorly educated.

>>151195921 (OP)
>This thread again
I want to see a cartoon created by an absolute degenerate virgin shut in. I'm sick of normies and failed normies making cartoons
Give me a show made by an actual psychopath with no friends or life

>>151199796
explains why democrats are so obsessed with brown people

>>151199798
It's too bad Tom Green didn't get to make his movie from Freddie got Fingered.

>>151199795
I don't know, haven't watched it. But I think it would be more like a horror comedy

>>151199803
I was literally paraphrasing something that Trump said.

>>151199469
In a way I feel like Day Job gets a lot of it's inspiration from The Office (the American version to be specific) and that's partially why it doesn't work for me.
The Office, Community, Parks and Recreation... all have a different feeling to me from most SoL. I just can't seem to point as to why right now.

>>151195921 (OP)
you faggots just play pretend that shows that arent like that dont exist. There's tons on animated projects that dont fit the mould you complain about. Keep running your yap for all eternity about stuff you dont like while ignoring stuff you would.

>>151195921 (OP)
Seriously tho, why are they so boring? JG Quintel had the exact same premise but he actually made it funny. Not only that, but it was actually written in such a way that the characters fuck ups make you introspective so you don't make the same mistakes

What's with all the posts ITT ignoring capitalization?
>>151199675
Show's from Australia man.
>>151199681
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>>151199751
>animator on smiling friends
Co-Creator. And your point is retarded. One having a more successful/superior product does not impede on criticism of one's other works.
>>151199763
If there are 3, then it's 2 cumbrains and 1 culture war ragebaiter.
>>151199788
That's not how you format GTs. For the second example you kind of have that YouTube SCP show that fell under, and Inside Job (which sucks). A superior show to both that in a way fits the "harassed by alien entities" vibe would be Ugly Americans.
>>151199798
Plenty of manga from those kind of fellas. Some sick stuff. Some being really creative, some being really interesting, and a lot being boring shock value.

>>151199763
It honestly seems like it

>>151199994
the guy who made the show in OP picture is not michael cusack, it's some other guy who also works on smiling friends

>>151200005
Is the guy who accuses Zach of being a puritanical christian maga nazi still kicking around?

>>151199788
My slice-of-life cartoon would be about a neurotic schizo and self-proclaimed "intellectual" torn between hedonistic materialism and religious obligation. He never leaves his house and lives almost entirely in his head. The conflict is just the back-and-forth shower thoughts, dreams, and nightmares you have sitting alone in the house with thoughts running through your head. It's not a comfy cartoon, it's all seven-minute snapshots of life ("What should I have to eat? If I eat this, I'll probably die from health causes. It's too expensive. Not in the mood for that. Maybe I should cook, but I don't feel like going to the store. Maybe I'll just stick with water instead.") Episodes have a rambling structure and don't follow a formula.

>>151195921 (OP)
>omg!! Animation is my dream job!! Get out of my way my life after I graduate will be so amazing!!
>UGH… endless wage slavery… evil customers help… no industry jobs… how could I end up like this…
They’re set up by God for being obnoxious

>>151195921 (OP)
so did anyone in this thread actually watch the video?

>>151200159
Sounds like some shit a retarded troon would make

>>151200339
I did, on Newgrounds when it came out :)
Surprised the MC asn't an incel for once and actually has a gf to fuck

>>151199681
is the radio/audio quality as bad as the black box recordings make it out to be?
because everytime i watch a video about them i can barely understand shit without subtitles

>>151195969
Maybe if you morons gave fucking MONEY to people who aren't retarded nepo babies it wouldn't be like that would it. Holy fucking shit.

>>151198696
Why are you arguing with people online? You might as well scream at the ocean.

>>151196685
Kino Job

>>151198296
Oh yeah, I love my mid-20s wage queen

>>151201028
How can a loser be so self-confident?
Was it parental love?

>>151201028
Why is he driving a right sided car if he's in America? OP said he's Californian... So why is he spending money on import cars from UK or Japan or whatever.

>>151198529
>southwestern Connecticut barely counts.
I would just say it doesn't count since it's fully in the NYC suburban-Metro North orbit. Connecticut is like New Jersey in that sense, split between two metros and establishing a unique identity regionally because of it.

>>151198808
it's a large place with a lot of people from different backgrounds, the unfortunate thing is that a lot of animation people tend to self-select from very similar socio-economic or cultural backgrounds.

>>151199007
film industry is kinda similar in that way, I remember one big critique of La La Land was that it was Oscar bait for Hollywood types since it was a movie about hot people trying to make it in Hollywood

>>151201088
Day Job takes place in Australia
>>151201113
Not to say the state doesn’t deserve some of it, but I always found it a bit unfair how everyone lambast CA when 90% of the time when they do call it out they actually mean SoCal with places like LA and Hollywood while ignoring like 2/3 of the rest of the state

>>151200339
I've already watched it a few times before, I already like Day Job and I'm wating for the next episode to drop

>>151201158
>Day Job takes place in Australia
Ah then why did OP say California? I got confused. Is this the ol' classic of
>Say something retarded about something so people come into your thread to correct you thus bumping the thread and you can discuss the topic with people who want to discuss it
I see I see.

>>151201058
He's getting some pussy and still is confident enough he can secure a job in his desired industry that a few setbacks haven't destroyed his confidence yet. Him and the girl he's dating both think they're so close to getting out of that job

>>151201227
Oh. So it's just naivety and hope then.

>>151201190
I assume OP genuenly didn't know

>>151201190
>Ah then why did OP say California?
Either OP didn't watch the first several seconds of the video and assumed a place with sun and young people is California, or OP knew and did it because they knew people would be mad about California.

>>151201243
Yeah, if he stays at the bowling alley long enough, he'll become Rico

>>151201311
Or he'l lose all of his self-confidence and will finally realize he is a loser after all if he stays like that.

>>151200359
What about movies like Mary and Max?

>>151196062
Now you just have to construct a conspiracy theory about how all animators are one group of people working against you.

>>151201158
>when they do call it out they actually mean SoCal with places like LA and Hollywood while ignoring like 2/3 of the rest of the state
In fairness, your critiques of California can always differ based on your own taste and politics. I've been hearing a lot more people lambasting SF/SV lately and only really hear people get mad about LA on /co/. Plus, the major cities of California are powerhouses in their own right, so people are going to pay attention to those places compared to places like Bakersfield or Davis.
>I always found it a bit unfair how everyone lambast CA
For better or for worse, California is a tastemaker and trendsetter for the US and a lot of the world. It probably sucks to get the criticism but it's also an enviable position to be in, in some ways.

>>151201341
A few more years at the alley should do that

>>151201446
You think he asked the 40 year old trafficked Chinese masseuse him for a happy ending?

>>151195921 (OP)
>Ah yes California, my favorite place in Australia

>>151201481
If it's common in Australia, maybe

>>151201534
Everywhere Young people complain about unfulfilling dayjobs is California

>>151195986
>>151195969
>>151195921 (OP)
Art should not be produced by people that have only consumed art. The best fantasy is written by historians. The best sci Fi is written by scientists

>>151201446
Wow I didn't know getting a massage from a cute Asian lady is popular in Australia as well
>t. from Europe

>>151201609
You can check out anytime you like~
But you can never leave.

>>151201028
Goddamn this looks so soulless. Why are all cartoons now just awful scribbles? It looks like they tried to rip off chibi/kawaii art but the lack of construction means you get problems like the weird slanted mouth, the tumor ear and the pointless whiskers. Why can't modern animators actually learn to observe, construct and draw before they actually animate?

>>151201731
>the pointless whiskers
That's his facial hair
Overall, it looks fine to me, the perspective of the background is alright too

>>151196160
>A show where everyone is a cosmopolitan hipster
Isn’t that just Mission Hill?

>>151201961
Which is literally a way better show

>>151201731
What are you talking about it looks just like the perfectly constructed Big City Greens

>>151198641
>but otherwise you are correct that Califags think their self-inflicted lifestyle of being a barista in one of the extremely expensive west coast cities, wallowing in college debt and mental illness is interesting and compelling material for cartoons and shows and it's not.

For the most part, the market isn't making your cartoon if you aren't living in California. There's countless people coming into the woodchipper they don't need to go out there way to look for people elsewhere.

>>151195921 (OP)
Tell us about your interesting life OP, being fat and afraid of women and minorities must be fascinating

>>151202748
There are a lot of fat brown woke women (and a lot more who wish they were browner but Lord Melanin in his vampire castle won’t rape it into them with his werewolves holding them down, what an asshole dick)

>>151202771
You’re a fascinating specimen

>>151202771
Is that describing yourself or just what you can see from your bedroom window

>>151201311
there is literally nothing wrong with Rico

>>151202800
This is a queer metaphor for their belief that if you don’t go along with their lifestyle you won’t get to live life at all - hence being a nonsensical reply, it’s just triggered in a situation rather than real speech of a person

I don’t think this is actually Guy/Lovecraft’s cat. It’s some anon having a giggle.

>>151202910
So basically you replied with a non sequitur because your own life is so pathetic as if being a namefag with an OH so edgy name weren't obvious enough

>>151202687
Wait so is this based on a real story?

>>151202936
Yeah, the OP left long ago

>>151199798
>I want to see a cartoon created by an absolute degenerate virgin shut in
Anime is next door