Thread 151202089

After thoroughly examining Anna's writing for over a decade, I found out why she is so negatively scrutinized by viewers.

Her character just doesn't make any sense compared to Elsa.

I've seen character criticisms from people revolving around what they were told versus what they were shown.

I think that's the same case with Anna's character, her actions don't match the intentions of the writers.

Anna being "adorkable" makes sense when you take into account that she was accidentally blasted in the head with ice in midair. It must have did permanent damage to her brain that not even Grand Pabbie's magic could fix. The problem is that the story does not use this as the actual justification for Anna's "adorkability." It would make much more sense for her to act this way despite being raised inside a castle where she is expected to behave like a proper royal 24/7.

If Elsa's mental illness can be justified by psychological trauma, why can't Anna's "adorkability" be classified as a mental illness caused by physical trauma?

Anna also doesn't properly develop as a character unlike Elsa. The narrative keeps blaming the other characters for her predicament. I think the reason for that is because she's supposed to be the main heroine and Hans and Elsa are supposed to be the villain and antagonist. But still, not admitting that even the hero has faults is also bad writing.

Sure, Anna doesn't jump into marrying Kristoff like she did Hans, but she doesn't learn to take a step back from jumping into another romantic relationship after Hans nearly killed her and her sister. She also doesn't try to understand her sister, she just assumes whatever and invades her space. The narrative doesn't call her out for it, instead blaming Elsa for not letting Anna help her. Anna doesn't respect people's boundaries and assume she knows what's best for them despite the fact she doesn't know much about them at all.

You're still not going to convince me that she is worse than her sister; Anna is still more likable, and that's all that matters

>>151202559
This is just.... great. :-)

>>151202559
kys

>>151202559
>You're still not going to convince me that she is worse than her sister; Anna is still more likable, and that's all that matters

I'm the one who made this thread, and I don't like Elsa more than Anna. In fact, I hate that overrated snow queen. I'm just pointing out legitimate criticisms about why Anna does not resonate with most of the audience from a writing standpoint.

>>151202089 (OP)
There's also the fact that the movie makes a huge deal out of "keep Elsa's magic a secret from Anna, Anna must not learn about it under any circumstances," which makes it sound like bad shit will happen if Anna re-learns about Elsa's magic. But then Anna finds out about it, violently and unexpectedly, at the coronation ball, and... absolutely fuck all happens. There's no consequences of any kind for Anna re-discovering that her sister has magic powers. So they spent all those years not telling Anna what the problem was for literally no fucking reason, which makes the whole thing dumb and infuriating.

Anna is seen in her snowman montage to be totally unsupervised. She wasnt heir to the throne. And elsa was special needs. She's retarded and carefree because she got everything handed to her with no structure to her life at all.

>>151202089 (OP)
Anna makes sense as an emotionnaly stunted princess kept locked in a castle

Elsa doesn't make sense as a queen, doesnt make sense for her a woman who spent ger entire life in her room to act as if she has any level of emotional wisdom of intelligence, and no sense fir ger yo bdgwelcomed back after plunging her entire kingdom into a frozen winter.

Where was she while her kingdom died due tk her inability and unwillingness to control her powers? Off fuckingbaround in her snow castle.
X fucking minor argument made her lose control and destroy her kingdom. Who in the shit would trust her after that?
Anna showed more capability as the queen.
Where was Elsas complaint about hooking up with a guy she only just met with the reindeer whisperer? You kniw, the one raised by the trolls who caused valley ov the problems in the first place?
Oh its okay because he's not a prince right?
Hans showed more grnuine ability as a leader and care for her subjects and helps a murderer who wanted them dead.


You know what.
Hans should have killed Elsa pinned it on the reindeer fucker and wifed up Anna's sexy adorabke ass.
Woukd have been the best ending.

>>151207350
>You kniw, the one raised by the trolls who caused valley ov the problems in the first place?
It's so weird how the first movie absolutely refuses to acknowledge or connect anything regarding the trolls. When Kristoff takes Anna to see them, he says "I've seen them do it before," but he never clarifies if he knows the girl from before was Anna or not. While Grand Pabbie probably knows that Anna was Anna, he never makes mention of it, which is weird, as you'd think they'd give him some line like "Oh no, this is what I was worried would happen and warned them about..." Anna never learns that her parents had a troll do brain surgery on her when she was a kid. It's all so bizarre and disjointed. And then Grand Pabbie has the audacity to say "Never a dull moment with you two" in Frozen II. Fuck off, man.

>>151206985
Anna by all logic should have inherited the throne.

It's just manufactured retarded drama to fo their wicked knockoff cause men am bad muh sisterhood is true luv shit.
Thank god people picked up on the open lesbian incest and homosex propaganda they were heavily pushing and quietly distanced themselves frim it.

>>151207350
Hans has no real personality though. In the original snow queen story there's a mirror. In the frozen hackjob hans is the mirror. He only acted compatible with anna because he was copying her. He only acted strong and commanding because he was copying the other powerful men in the room. He only acts like himself when he killed the fire and turned out the lights while anna was dying. He didnt want anna. He didnt think she was good enough for him.

>>151207409
Oh yeah well frozen is really a knock off of wicked which was a hardcore anti-male anti-society marxist screed. The verified cat moms who wrote frozen applied all of wicked's shit with big ham hands.

>>151207460
Anon, what commanding leader was he copying?

Who was he copying here?
Anon it would make more sense if Hans set up that retarded last second heel turn(because men am bad bumping clams am good)to push for the reconciliation with her sister.

It comes out if nowhere and makes no sense.

>>151207484
They knew what they were doing. We saw the Disney investor call.

>>151207648
>Anon, what commanding leader was he copying?
His dad.

>>151207648
Forgot my pic

>>151207830
>"It's going to be so easy to trick that idiot into letting me be king of their kingdom."

>>151206933
I feel like it was more of their parents trying to erase and ignore Elsa's powers entirely. They cared more about not being scrutinized by their retarded kingdom than their daughter, and Elsa continues this because she thinks it's something that's wrong/bad about her. I don't think there was supposed to be any actual 'consequence', their parents are just pushovers

>>151207648
>what commanding leader was he copying?
This dude primarily and the other dudes with the same uniforms in the scene where he jumoed uo and took charge.
To head off
>he wasnt commanding or dominant. Hes a skeevy weasel beta male
He was written by feminists and they just dont know what they want. In the presence of these men hans acted like a leader and it convinced them.
Around anna he was a ditz and that won her over.
Around else he tried to be formal and respectful but she had an overy moment and we'll never know if he could have convinced her.
When he was in the dark like the fireplace room and elsa's cell he was sadistic and cruel. His true self.

>i hate webp

>>151208354
Yes. They wanted to find a way back to normalcy in the face of unassailable weirdness. Its a backhanded lesson.
>if your daughter is divergent dont try and align her to society's standards. Everyone will just love and accept her for no reason in the future. And if someone doesnt just kill them :)

>>151202089 (OP)
Disneys downfall started here

Apeing your victim is a tried and trye manilulation tactic. You can quickly acquire someone's trust just be adopting their mannerisms. They really did accidentally write a very intereting villain in frozen while they were trying to just dunk on men.

>>151208359
>>151208405
See:
>>151207830
His heel turn made no sense and was disingenuous at best narrative fraud at worse.
Or
Like you said. They didnt know what they wanted so he just became every idea if what a good prince is then threw yhe out if nowhere evil switch in too.

After all. Hes a prince. Hed the prize who does everything yhe princess needs.
Including becoming the villain for thus shit heap story.

>>151208733
The piint was he's faking his personae. He isnt a happy ditz who heel turned.
He isnt a commanding leader who heel turned.
He isnt a respectable and for.al lrince that heel turned.
He's a heel that turns.
Every version of him we saw was an act. Until he thought it was safe to act "normal"

>>151208785
Anon
See:

>>151207830
It was a last second rewrite because Elsa was unironically evil and they wanted their incest lesbian ending.
Full stop.
Everyone knows it now. Which us why the frozen IP is dead.

Hans being tied up at the end awoke something fierce in me

Any other girls with this problem?

>>151209535
BDSM and incest what a movie