Thread 151206735

>new atla movie
>new avatar series
>zero hype anywhere
what went wrong?

They're still a year or three away. Wait until it closer to release.

>>151206735 (OP)
>release date somewhere between year and years
>2 main charachters, some guy with twin andyoung girl with fake leg, who looks weak

It cant get worse.
They need like 3 to 6 more BIG charachters.

How did they make it worse then korra?
Should just have a fan made avatar seriesthat maybe wont be shit.

Here's a couple ideas, more characters, more teen girls. more bending, more groups.

What bending? Well, we already know a bunch.
But lets see sand, sound, gas (like chemicals), fog/cloud, plant, and other bending more.

>>151206735 (OP)
korra happened.
and well, what was revealed of 7 havens did not convince me another korra is not happening.

>>151206735 (OP)
>korra
>dragon prince
I don't know who made AtLA great but it sure as fuck weren't Konietzko, DiMartino or Ehasz, those guys are a bunch of hacks

>>151206735 (OP)
Everything since the original series has been shit, that isn't going to inspire hype.

>>151206735 (OP)
The MTG cards are pretty good but that's just because some of the games make me cackle like a super villain.

>>151206735 (OP)
Literally everything after the first series.
It’s kind of impressive how totally the series has been screwed up.

>>151206735 (OP)
Atla finished long ago, anything afterthat was and will be a mistake

>>151206735 (OP)
On that topic, the new Avatar Magic: Ther Gathering set actually looks fun (aside from the horrible screenshot cards everyone is rightfull shitting on, but they're so rare I'll probably never open one in a pack anyway). Why couldn't they have put this amount of care and effort into Spider-Man?

>>151206987
Dragon Prince was actually fairly fundamentally sound until Ehasz was forced out at which point it devolved instantly. Like it wasn't perfect and was a bit uninspired, but the actual foundation level storytelling was decent enough.

Legitimately I think it's a case of "Ehasz was the one with the actual skill to make something coherent and keep people on task" while the others provided some of the more inventive world and character concepts but needed 'tard wrangled.

>>151206735 (OP)
Everything after the Last Airbender cartoon is awful.

Can't wait to put Ran and Shaw in my Tiamat deck for the crime of teaching humans firebending.

If you want a real WTF moment go look up what Mike had to say about Man Of Steel, it was bizarre.

>>151207722
Spider-Man was meant to be a mini-set, but all the previous mini-sets bombed and they were under contract to get it out so they had to rush making it into a full set.

>>151206735 (OP)
>what went wrong?
Easy, almost everything related to ATLA is dogshit.
>but it was a good show
And? Between the movie, the netflix show, and Kora, every with even half a brain knows that the franchise is fucked more than Star Wars. And that's not even counting

Fuck man, I would have thought Quest for Balance would have thought you something by now, but no, you're just a hopeless nostalgia zombie who will buy anything because it's related to something that was once good.

>>151206735 (OP)
>what went wrong?
Easy, almost everything related to ATLA is dogshit.
>but it was a good show
And? Between the movie, the netflix show, and Kora, everyone with even half a brain knows that the franchise is fucked more than Star Wars.

Fuck man, I would have thought Quest for Balance would have thought you something by now, but no, you're just a hopeless nostalgia zombie who will buy anything because it's related to something that was once good.

>>151208053
QRD?

>>151206735 (OP)
>what went wrong?
The whole animation industry got taken over by marxist homosexuals and theyve devoted all of their energy towards punishing the audience.

>>151206858
And its another
>lets make a character a cripple as a shortcut for a personality
The progressives just gobbled up cripples and had no business. As if it was christians and traditionalists who maligned the lame as opposed to being the only ones to show them compassion for the better part of a millenium.

>>151207483
Its also impressive that atla was so good that even after batting 1000 on faikures since then there are still fans who want another serving of the real thing.

>>151206877
Korra really did hurt the brand.

>>151208406
>>151208053
https://www.michaeldantedimartino.com/post/man-of-steel-why-the-story-of-superman-still-matters

>The father represents any parent, or institution, or religion, or government that wants to prevent you (or me) from coming into our own and expressing who we truly are. This covers the gamut, from corporations not wanting employees to think outside the box, to a society that still isn’t entirely okay with gay marriage. They (the father figure) thinks they know best. They say they have your best interests at heart and they will protect you. But they are just fearful of what will happen when people are living their best lives. I think this part of the film got under my skin because I absolutely hate when someone assumes they know what is best for me.

If you want another WTF moment, you can dig around and find Michael (or Brian, I can't exactly remember which had a blog)'s explanation for why TLOK commits itself to doing a shitty "twist" villain every season (mainly because they don't want the storytelling to be "predictable" akin to a rollercoaster or theme park ride).

>>151208747
>expressing who we truly are
This is code for "fucking children"

>>151208764
I've been saying this for years that ATLA is pretty much just Bryke expressing their shared daddy issues and entitlement through Zuko's relationship with his father and Aang respectively.

You can kinda see this in TLOK (and the comics) when it comes to the relationships the characters have with their fathers. There's not really a single positive or unambiguously healthy father-child relationship.

>Aang is portrayed as a flawed dad who hedged all his bets on Tenzin and neglected his other children
>Tenzin makes for a poor father figure to Korra (who herself acts like an out of control child)
>Amon and his brother's relationship with their dad
>Unaloq being a shitty dad
>Asami's dad also being shitty
>Toph's husband being AWOL

and so on

>>151206735 (OP)
Its a kid franchise and the kids grew old. You just cant release shit years appart and expect people to still care. Especially when you are aiming at people who will have drastically different taste the very next year.

At this point they should delay it even further so that their intendend audience can see it with their own kids.

>>151208885
And yet here we are still waiting with our empty bowels for more.
Atla is timelessly good.

>>151208835
Wasn't Korra's relationship with her Dad pretty decent?

>>151208835
>>151208962
Even when Korra comes out as bisexual and dating Asami to her parents in the comics, you'd think that the following plot beat would be

>Korra's parents are accepting of her relationship for cultural reasons (the Water Tribe are based on Native Americans and the Inuit, which were cultures that were generally accepting of the LGBT), and Korra is happy :)

INSTEAD the implication is that the Water Tribe is potentially homophobic/biphobic and Korra flips her shit at her dad...because he warns her that other people might not be as accepting or as friendly towards her dating a woman (which is what Korra chooses to get upset about even though her parents ARE accepting of her)

>>151208962
>hey man, I know you just listed off 6 bad dads in the series but here is one, so it's something.
The exception that proves the rule.

>>151209003
Do we have any proof the Inuit were tolerant of the gays? Unless there's some real evidence I really don't think they were.

>>151209018
ill be honest, I don't even remember Korra's dad outside of the fact that he existed, since I only bothered to watch Korra the once since I didn't enjoy it that much

>>151206735 (OP)
>one shit on

>>151208962
Even the whole "stick Korra in a compound" is a pretty fucked up thing for a dad to do. And that whole plot point was conceived and established in the narrative BEFORE Book 3 was ever put on paper.

>>151209031
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Soft_Things,_Two_Hard_Things

https://jsis.washington.edu/aic/2017/11/10/talking-policy-mark-kenneth-woods-on-the-inuit-lgbtq2-movement/

Like most tribal cultures before colonialization and industry brought by imperialism, homosexuality was accepted among the Inuit. To be specific, homosexuality in the MODERN sense (formal relationships where two men or two women are dating/married and live in a non-tribal urbanized pseudocommunity) was not. Kinda like how the Greeks or Sicilians didn't bat an eyelash at women or men getting it on with other women and men respectively, but balked at the idea of men and women wanting to exclusively be in same-sex relationships, live away from the opposite sex, and not have children or participate in raising them.

>>151208747
>I absolutely hate when someone assumes they know what is best for me.
demonic behavior

>>151209096
Yes pagans were disgusting faggots and did all sorts of awful things.

>>151208835
>>151209018
I was going to mention Hakoda but then I remembered Book 3 had Katara lashing out at him out of nowhere

>>151206735 (OP)
James Cameron revived his series and it has a way better story
The new 7 Havens series looks to be doubling down on everything that led to Korra's decline

>>151206735 (OP)
it's modern avatar

>>151207722
UB is based solely on how interested the team is working on it. If the team at WOTC doesn't care about an IP, it'll be shit.

>>151209667
You also just fucking know there's going to be a "twist" where we find out it's not REALLY Korra's fault that the world got wrecked. Bryke would never actually let their precious brown waifu be responsible for anything bad.

>>151209896
There's three options for how that could go

>Korra wrecked the world in order to prevent some madman from doing something far worse to it (erm, the lesser of two evils)
>Korra was manipulated into doing the above under the pretense that it would save the world and was the better option (but she was actually being played the whole time)
>Korra made an objectively retarded mistake but the narrative will go NUH UH

>>151206735 (OP)

This show is highly satanic because it teaches the false religion of buddhism and turns children into LESBIANS

>make a character as a tribute to Iroh's VA
>make him an asshole
>make him a cheater
>make him a loser
>turn both his girlfriends gay for each other

>>151210065
The chain of events is funny

>set Mako up to be the new Zuko in order to pander to Zutara fans
>then involve a shitty love triangle and make Mako look like an asshole (while not making him cool or interesting or attractive in the slightest)
>then devote Book Two to doubling down on Mako being an asshole (while not really reflecting on it or really thinking about it at all)
>realize you fucked up and pivot to Korrasami instead
>try to throw Mako a bone by having him date Izumi but this doesn't make it into the script

meanwhile pic related was named after Iroh's VA and pretty much got everything she ever wanted

>>151210133
Yeah it's actually hilarious to think that Makorra is Bryke trying to do Zutara on purpose and it's fucking terrible. I feel like Zutarians don't realize this, and don't therefore realize that their ship not being canon means they probably dodged a bullet.

>>151210219
Nah, I'm an old school Zutarian and I'm fully aware that if Zutara was canon, Bryke would fuck it up the way they fuck up Kataang. It would be some awful mishmash of Kataang, the brief stint of Zuki, and Makorra.

>Zuko gets to do stuff while Katara stays in the kitchen
>except worse because they fight all the time (when Katara isn't glazing Zuko) and there might be cheating involved

seriously, with how TLOK and the comics focus so much on cheating (everyone forgets that Korra intrudes on Mako and Asami's relationship and she's encouraged to do so btw), you'd think Bryke would be telling on themselves with how they must have a fetish for it or have some personal drama regarding it

>>151210316
The show actively encourages Korra to play homewrecker. Pema is fucking diabolical.

>>151210316
It's telling that all the best ships and canon couples in ATLA are the ones that barely got any screentime so they couldn't fuck it up

>>151209896
It makes me root for whoever they set up as the "Anti-Avatar"

>>151210372
Not enough people really want to admit how misogynistic the writing of TLOK is. And I'm not saying that like some of kind of hyperbolic over-obsessive individual, it's just fucking so flagrant when compared to the positive treatment of women in ATLA but TLOK gets a pass for it because of nostalgia, gaslighting, and Korrasami

like if TLOK was made by some right-wing conservative types, there would be NO hesitation from fans to rake it over the coals for how it treats the female characters

>>151210219
Bryke always thought Zutara is fucking terrible. They wrote Makorra as a shitty immature relationship intentionally to teach the Zutara fans a lesson and then realized it wasn’t worth fixing

>>151206735 (OP)
>hype

There's more Avatar after TLA?
I thought it ended with Ozai losing his powers and Aang and Katara getting together and Zuko becoming the fire lord and everyone living happily ever after?

>>151206735 (OP)
Normies want mature action shows like Invencible and Arcane. A little girl and her giant pet going on adventures is too far removed from that. The last show crashing and burning doesn't help either.

>>151210759
don't ruin it for yourself

do not watch TLOK or the ATLA comics or the TLOK comics

>>151208442
Kind of like how X-Fags still exist, despite… well, everything.

>>151206735 (OP)
The brand is tainted and hasn't had anything really going on for years after the middling sequel series that unceremoniously had its final season dumped on streaming beyond that shitty Netflix adaption.

>>151210618
>it was bad ON PURPOSE

>>151210770
I'm being sarcastic anon

>>151210767
Yeah, nothing about Seven Haven's premise is really tapping into the cultural zeitgeist so far.

>the post-apocalyptic genre peaked a while back
>it's sorta cyberpunk but not really (it's as punk as TLOK was, which was zero)
>the cast is in middle school
>it looks WAY more aimed at kids than ATLA ever was (on top of that, the state of the economy and S&P/executive censorship means that Seven Havens will likely be neutered and expensive)

>>151210846
When you lay it all out like that it really feels like a grab-bag of trends that are all past their sell date. Really gives the show a "how do you do fellow kids" feel to it.

>>151210846
Even the new Batman cartoon flopped. Action cartoon audiences are very selective these days.

>>151206987
Filoni Wars is also part of the "ATLA crew having problems recapturing that lightning in a bottle" epidemic going around.

>>151210948
It pretty much is. TLOK had the same problem. Every bizarre creative choice was something left on the cutting room floor for ATLA for a good reason (namely that it was shit)

>an evil airbender
>the nice uncle-brother is actually EVIL
>an annoying love triangle
>LE DARK AVATAR
>explicitly laying out the origins of the Avatar Spirit
>making nonbenders into villains (this was actually lifted from one of the ATLA games)
>making some spirits umambiguously evil (something that then popped up again with Hundun in the TLOK game)
>weirdly advanced technology

Seven Havens is going for what's left: namely the original premise of ATLA as "monk wakes up in a post apocalyptic cyberpunk future".

>>151210846
And what's there for the returning fans? The whole setting got nuked.

>>151211022
It's not out of Bryke's playbook to do this. If you've been following the ATLA comics, they've done this before where they decide to pander to multiple different sets of demographics within the community and end up pleasing no one. Azula got dealt a shitty hand because of this.

>character direction was meant to be less sympathetic: more of an unhinged dangerous psycho (a logical throughline for when we last saw her) trying to bring about Zuko's downfall
>the younger and newer fanbase reject this angle entirely, viewing Azula as more tragic and sympathetic than Bryke interpreted her as
>Bryke panic and divert from their plans to make Azula into a full-on antagonist and then pivot away, but don't actually allow Azula to do anything but huff and puff while no one really treats her kindly
>so now absolutely nothing happens and the fanbase is apathetic as a result

They know a lot of ATLA fans did not like TLOK and did not like Republic City, so they decided to blow it all up in the worst way possible... by having it be within Korra's lifetime. Now it basically renders everything moot whether you liked ATLA or TLOK.

>>151210963
I work with kids and they're mostly into newer anime and older animation. Very few of them are keeping up with newer American animated IP, and if they are, it's cartoons that are aimed at adults. The intended tween audience is dead now. It's either little kids watching kids stuff, or middle schoolers and older elementary schoolers watching the same stuff that high school kids are supposed to be watching.

>>151211180
Anime works because it doesn't treat its audience like children and isn't bound by puritanical/sjw bullshit

>>151210796
>Makorra is Bryke trying to do Zutara on purpose
Premise
>and it's fucking terrible
Observation
>Zutara pissed Bryke off during ATLA’s run
Knowledge
>Bryke intended for Makorra to be “Zutara on purpose” and it was terrible. Bryke believes Zutara is terrible and has a history of taking potshots at shippers. Therefore, Makorra’s shitty storyline is at least in part the natural consequence of Bryke’s opinion of Zutara, and trash writing on a broadcast schedule made up the difference.
Hypothesis
There you go buddy

>>151211237
One of the few perks of every kid having a smartphone or tablet is that boys can watch TV with stuff they actually want to see instead of neutered crap meant to appeal towards nosy repressed moms who get fussy that their boys want to see sexy ladies and hyper-violence.

>>151208962
Her dad was barely even a character, to the point that without googling it I can't even say for certain he has an actual name.

>>151211118
Actually, according to the only faggot with any idea of how writing was supposed to work in that writer's room, Azula was always intended to be redeemable and dealt a shit hand.

>>151211405
I kinda wonder how Azula would have been treated by ATLA if Bryke weren't the showruners. The Zuko prequel comic to the ATLA Shymalan movie is fairly interesting because it explains that Azula helped Zuko get his ship and everything ready for his journey to find the Avatar. And she's not dismissive or cruel or rude, she's quite supportive. If anything, her brief characterization reminds me of the stock "morally gray big sister who defends her siblings from a shitty parent" character.

>>151211565
I wonder if they're the ones responsible for the details of her mental breakdown because I've always felt like it isn't foreshadowed enough. We should have been seeing signs of it from at least the start of Book 3. I get the running theme of her hair being a symbol for her mental state but it's not enough.

>>151211684
Azula being LE CRAZY and LE EVIL mainly stems from Bryke being denied their original plans for Azula being Zuko's bratty sadistic snobby younger brother. Yes, Azula was supposed to basically just be Joffrey from ASOIAF. Iroh was also meant to be LE SECRETLY EVIL and be a twist antagonist corrupting Zuko.

Naturally, Bryke's autism got curbed by Ehasz and Walsh going "that's dumb" and suggesting better ideas like "what if Iroh actually WAS good and it wasn't a lie" and "just make Azula a girl lol".

You can kinda see how this got repurposed for Unalaq in TLOK.

>>151211565
>>151211684
People have pointed it out before but everything about Azula makes perfect sense when you factor in that literally the only model for behavior and source of anything resembling parental affection she had aside from some fairly hands off attempts from Iroh who for some inexplicable reason wasn't trying too hard with her, comes from Ozai.

One of the main reasons she breaks down at the end, for example...is because by all accounts and looking at her, she legitimately thought Mai and Ty Lee were her friends and liked her, and she treated them how she perceived you were supposed to based off of Ozai, where positive interactions seem to have been "I toy with you like a cat rather than punish you" vs just setting people on fire. So to her, their betrayal comes out of fucking nowhere at the end of a long girl power roadtrip adventure right when she absolutely desperately needs their help and support more than she ever has before, fucking her over right as her entire world is collapsing in on itself.

>>151210972
Filoni Wars was shit from the start

>>151211768
What kills me about Unalaq is that the first two or three episodes kind of have a cool thing going with him trying to corrupt Korra, and basically playing the Sheev to her Anakin. But then the show just chucks it out the window and makes him a full-on mustache twirling villain, and THEN we get the Dark Avatar bullshit on top of that.

>>151206735 (OP)
the fact they've been silent for more than a decade shows they don't care.

>>151208462
Korra has crippled the brand so badly that every new piece of material retroactively makes the argument that Aang defeating the fire nation was defacto the bad end, unironically.

>>151211785

>boys without moms (Zuko): wahhhh (cries and dramatically angsts)
>girls without moms (Azula): I HAVE BPD AND I'M GOING TO MAKE IT EVERYONE ELSE'S PROBLEM

>>151211808
What I find absolute fucking insane is how Bryke straight up wrote Varrick to make a propaganda movie where Unalaq is motherfucking Fu Manchu. Not only is that like fucking INSANELY racist when you consider what it came after (ATLA) and how (for the time, at least) it did its best to NOT fall into Orientalist crap, but it doesn't even make any sense in-universe!

>>151206735 (OP)
>ATLA rip off its story structure from Star Wars
>and just like Star Wars, it's sequels completely killed the franchise
BRAVO BRYKE

>>151206735 (OP)
faux-anime has been getting more normalized so they thought it's time to make a bunch of new atla shit even though that actually make them look more generic and less interesting

>>151211890
As others have pointed out, Korra is basically the prequels: a follow-up to the original made by the guys who came up with it but without any of the crew around them that made the original work, and no one in a position to tell them when their ideas are bad.

Also pro-bending is podracing.

>>151206735 (OP)
A question for co,
You are given a million dollars, make it 10 million.
You need an avatar story, it needs to be NEW.

You can have elements of the original (like korra did) Or Completely new and separate.
We know the for nations.
We know the lands and people are divided.

Who are your heroes, who are your villains, what people or groups are caught in middle?
What's your story?

I'm not sure most people can make a story thats better then korra (or the new shitty 7 havens crap).

At least make some semi specific useful suggestions?

>>151211890
>>151211924

kek

at least with the prequels, you can still say that George was a skilled guy. not even the "he needed people to reign him in" holds water because

>he made American Graffiti and THX before he did Star Wars and they were both good movies
>he TRIED getting people to reign him in but they refused or were too scared

meanwhile TLOK and the comics are pure Bryke autism and it's just a huge mess with very few redeeming qualities

It's a real shame how they bungled TLOK because if you work backwards and use the influences behind the creative inspirations towards ATLA and TLOK, then the post-ATLA world could have been really special.

Something like a cross between old school pulp fiction, dark fantasy, classic adventure and sci-fi fiction, 90s cyberpunk and psychological drama anime, and mythic/philosophical capeshit comics.

>>151206735 (OP)
They should've took the Ben 10 route and keep milking Aang as much as they could, or jump an entire cycle to the next airbender, so they could have their little cyberpunk story and leave Aang next adventures for the viewer's imagination.

>>151211684
>I've always felt like it isn't foreshadowed enough
A lot of shit wasn't foreshadowed enough. My biggest grip is the guru, guy appears out of nowhere, knows everything about chakras and the Avatar state (and the only explanation is literally "It appeared to me in a dream"), Aang sweeps most of the training in 10 minutes, leaves for Katara and the guru never appears again. Not even at the end of the show!

>>151211939
My ideal Avatar story would take place thousands of years in the future. The world has healed from whatever shit happened between TLOK and Seven Havens, and now things resemble the pre-War era of ATLA.

>The Avatar is a young man who is as strong with the elements as he is brilliant. He was raised in a nomadic tribe that rejected any specific national or cultural boundaries, preferring to travel across the world and live in harmony with the spirits. He looks like he could come from any one of the four nations. He has stronger emotional relationships with spirits than he does people. He learns to bend Water, then strikes out on his own to learn the remaining three elements and help the world heal.

His supporting cast consists of
>a vain Earthbender noblewoman
>a crass wonky looking Swampbender (who is actually quite intelligent)
>a spooky female Air Acolyte
>a feverishly devout Sun Warrior
>and an ordinary but very moral, dangerous, and clumsy nonbender who keeps getting herself into trouble

>>151211924
The prequels didn't killed the franchise, it helped gain a new generation of fans, that's why after 20 years they're remembered fondly by people who grew up with them. Korra has more than 10 years and no one remembers it, not even by people who grew up with it

Now design an EEnE set.

>>151212086
ok interesting heroes, give some basics on the villains?

>spooky
so like creepy or gothic?
Imagine, instead of air, it's smoke bending. Like a ninja.

>>151212120
Smoke bending would just be applied air bending

>>151212148
Smoke bending would just be applied air bending.

>>151212111
For all the faults with the prequels, George was smart to expand it into a multimedia project and to keep supporting the EU. Kids didn't get nostalgia off of just the prequels alone, but the comics and books and games and shows.

Meanwhile Nick was betting on TLOK being the shot in the arm to keep the IP as a worthy constant investment after the ATLA movie flopped
>and then Bryke fucked things up and the ratings just got worse and worse and then they pulled the Korrasami maneuver which basically killed ANY potential support for years

>>151212148
The villains are mostly a MOTW episodic deal, but there are a few recurring ones, standouts, and overarching antagonists.

>Nonbender working alongside an ancient spirit that wants to cleanse the planet of all human life (if the Avatar Spirit represents the Earth, this Spirit represents cancer)
>Fire Nation terror cells that act as the equivalent of Neo-Nazis and dumb communists (they're led by a yandere stalker gf of the Avatar who wants to marry him)
>Cannibal Water Tribe man who can shapeshift and turn into animals
>Aliens pulling some Ultraman hijinx and letting loose out of control flora and fauna in an attempt to conquer the planet
>Earthbender nobody who becomes the setting's equivalent to Hong Xiuquan

>>151212167
Fair enough, but you could say metal bending is just applied earth?

Anyways, I sorta said before chemicals/gas in air bending could be cool.
Smoke, fog, clouds, helium (for faster/higher lift), you could bend gas into fire to make it bigger, I'm sure there's a variety of chemicals, gases, and stuff that could be done.

Katara did mist, But could air bender also do that?
If you bend gas you don't only choke people, you can make them dizzy, and all sorts of stuff.

It gives more options depending on whats mixed with the air.

>>151212211
Isn't that the in-universe explanation for metal bending?

>>151212197
>Cannibal Water Tribe man who can shapeshift and turn into animals
>shapeshift and turn into animals
I don't think that fits avatar...
I mean, blended animal species is one thing, transform is another.
I mean the idea is cool, I just don't know it would fit.
How about people let spirits control their bodies, and become spirit puppet monsters?
>Aliens pulling some
>aliens
Why not just some random loner outcasts, tribes people, outsiders, or something?

Anyways, mostly good idea, thanks.

>>151212148
elaboration on the heroes

>noblewoman is obsessed with legacy and eternalism: she doesn't just want to live as long as she possibly can, she wants to be remembered forever
>Swampbender wants to be taken seriously and accepted by society (he has pretty rough-looking facial deformities, poor guy), rather than being stuck as "that scary looking hermit"
>the Air Acolyte has strange beliefs that set her apart from the typical Air Nomad (think Vajrayana or fringe Mahayana)

>>151212265
My idea behind the cannibal Water Tribe antagonist pulls from Inuit and Native American myths about cannibals. Particularly the Atshen and Wendigo.

And for the aliens...I just like aliens. Plus, it's always interesting for a fantasy series to just randomly smack aliens into it. Outside context problems get the characters to really think on their feet.

>>151212297
Ok fair, sounds good.

I would say the humans using spirits (or spirits using humans) or using each other, would also fit native Americans.
>strength of buffalo
And You know what also does spirits? Avatar.

I'm not sure the aliens would work, There's spirits and benders.
You might as well try to add vampires and werewolves.

But the world maybe needs something, just hard to figure out what to do new, without messing things up.

I need to sleep.

>>151212380
Ah, but Chinese vampires ARE a thing anon. Never a bad thing to pull from real life myth and folklore.

>>151209096
>Kinda like how the Greeks or Sicilians didn't bat an eyelash at women or men getting it on with other women and men respectively
Oh they did, but only if you took it or otherwise came across as accepting of being in a more "Feminine" role. It sounds almost cartoonish, but all that really mattered was whether you acted more "manly" or "womanly." It takes two to tango in the modern judgements of homosexuality, but the key here was what each person was like.

Goes down some funny levels too when they did their usual complaints about soft civilized folk and hardened "barbarians." The barbarians were so manly, even their women were manly! Which was both bad, cause women shouldn't be like that, but also good, cause being more like a man was better.

>>151211939
The one big plot I've always thought of doing is a succession crisis in the Fire Nation. Everybody loves a good succession crisis, they always make for fun stories, and if we assume the Fire Nation is still arguably the most powerful nation in the world, even post-war, then a crisis over who gets to be its absolute monarch is the kind of shit that would absolutely get the Avatar roped in.

Not sure what time period I'd set it in, though. It's an adventure that would fit either the older Gaang or some newer cast.

>>151211014
>making some spirits umambiguously evil (something that then popped up again with Hundun in the TLOK game)
Wasn't Hundun not a "spirit," in the sense of being a separate entity from humanity, but a semi-immortal human sorcerer? Also the basic idea and twist with who "he" really was was fun. That kind of insane, wuxia shit doesn't usually make it into things like this in the west.

>>151212535
You're right. I did kinda like the weird wuxia vibes he had going on. Wuxia and Xianxia are something that future ATLA material should definitely pull from. More western stuff should. Kung Fu Panda was exactly that, and it rocked.

Another political storyline you could potentially do is the breakup of the Earth Kingdom. LOK dabbled a little in the idea of the Earth Kingdom having a political crisis, but like most of what Korra did, it wasn't very good.

You could write a fun story, post-war, where the Earth Kingdom basically breaks up like the Soviet Union, with multiple of the lesser kings declaring independence from Ba Sing Se. Given that they all got fucking conquered by the Fire Nation while Ba Sing Se didn't do shit, I can see the lesser kings thinking to themselves, "Wait, why do we need to pledge allegiance to those assholes any more?".

>>151212566
>Fire Japan almost gets into a civil war over who should be Fire Lord
>Earth China splits up (again)

Looks like the Avatar has his hands full.

>>151212595
It'd have to be an Air Nomad Avatar for it all to get dealt with successfully. You've noticed, I presume, that it's always the airbenders that do a good job cleaning up the big messes. Aang, Yang Chen, I think there's other examples.

>>151208462
The only good thing about Korra was that one s1 episode where she, Tweedle Dee, and Tweedle Dum were doing that underground fighting tournament, and there was a dynamic close-up shot during her fight where they animated the physics of her boobs giggling as she moved in slo-mo in extreme detail.

>>151212197
Part of what made the EU work so well was George Lucas not caring for most of it, so writers had freedom to do whatever they wanted and fans didn't had to worry about canon. Instead Bryke took the Disney approach and made "everything canon!", so now Zuko being a cuck, Iroh apologizing for sexual assault and fucking modern day forklifts are canon in the Avatar universe!

>>151212703
I think Bryke just also have approved totally dogshit creators to work on their stuff. The EU at its best always had genuinely talented creators in it. Guys like Timothy Zahn and Michael Stackpole, companies like Bioware and Obsidian. Who's the most talented guy to ever work on Avatar's extended universe? Fucking Gene Yang?

>>151212737
It's not really Bryke's choice. When it comes to doing YA fiction stuff for established IP these days, the wages are absolute dogshit. Lucasfilm got plenty of great authors because they paid good wages, same with Fox and their Alien and Predator stuff in the 90s and 2000s. Absolutely NOBODY is lining up to do high quality YA fiction for stuff they won't even get to own because the money is peanuts these days.

It's a real shame.