Thread 151215113

Matt Groening and the rest of the Simpsons writers were clearly liberals, so why did they make Springfield's corrupt mayor a democrat instead of a republican? Especially since you never actually see Quimby do anything one would associate with democrats like social justice, the only thing remotely like a democrat about him is that he's meant to be a parody of the Kennedys. If anything he often acts like a right-wing strawman like that time he tried to deflect on the city's issues by blaming illegal immigrants or trying to stop Lisa from exposing historical truths about Jebediah Springfield.

>>151215113 (OP)
He's more meant to represent an oldschool city machine Democrat like Richard Daley.

>>151215113 (OP)
Democrats aren't left

>>151215113 (OP)
The Simpsons has been running for longer than you've been alive, and US politics were different back then.

>>151215155
the woke left existed in the early 90s but it was only one small part of the Democrat coalition which back then was still more dominated by union and Catholic voters

>>151215155
>Politics were different in the 90's
Only because of the Trump era
The fact that dems were the weak center-right corporatist alternative to malicious far-right goons has been true since Carter lost.

>>151215113 (OP)
Because he's errrr uhhhh a Kennedy parody

151215185
Sir, this is /co/ not BlueSky.

>>151215113 (OP)
A "proper" democrat like what you imagine could probably never get elected in a relatively small and mostly white town full of conservative idiots who all go to Church like Springfield. More importantly, Simpsons writers were boomers raised in the 50s and 60s writing about politics in the 80s and 90s, and the democratic party of today is very different from what it once was.

>>151215170
>the woke left existed in the early 90s but it was only one small part of the Democrat coalition which back then was still more dominated by union and Catholic voters
the party has become increasingly lunatic fringe because those voters have been hemorrhaging off to the Republican camp for a long time so all that's left for Democrat voters are the ANTIFA nutbars

>>151215113 (OP)
>erm why isnt this bad politician man republican? me was taught all bad men in politics is republican
dont care if bait, kill yourself all the same

>>151215122
Those urban Democrat machines used to actually be pretty racist, they enforced soft segregation and the (mostly Irish) police departments would beat blacks up and keep them out of white neighborhoods.

>>151215208
>The democrats
>The party unwilling to commit to literally anything
>Lunatic fringe
Reality has no impact on politics anymore

>>151215221
You're missing the point, the writers are clearly of the "republican bad" school of thought, yet chose to make Quimby a democrat anyway, while also having Quimby act like what liberals think Republicans act like.

>>151215225
>>151215208
Chicago wouldn't have had an affirmative action black woman mayor in 1965 tbqh.

>>151215113 (OP)
Quimby was originally meant to be a generic corrupt politician not beloning to any party, the only reason he's explicitly a democrat is because of the episode where Sideshow Bob defeats him in the mayoral race, and due to the Kelsey Grammer reference Bob had to be a Republican, and thus Quimby had to be a Democrat by default.
The reason Quimby is only ever shown doing right-wing strawman things whenever he's the bad guy of the episode is precisely because the writers are liberals. They can't conceive of bad things that somebody implementing left-wing policies would do.

>>151215208
The South also used to be a significant part of the Democrat coalition that was lost over time as well.

>>151215225
>Used to be
The dem old guard is still incredibly racist, they just know they can't say things openly.
For fuck's sake Biden opposed integration. You think Schumer isn't bitching about schvarze?

>>151215259
>is precisely because the writers are liberals
Some were, some were apolitical, and John Swartzwelder was the big right-leaning guy on the staff.

>>151215259
>The reason Quimby is only ever shown doing right-wing strawman things whenever he's the bad guy of the episode is precisely because the writers are liberals. They can't conceive of bad things that somebody implementing left-wing policies would do.
I dont think money laundering, womanizing, being lazy and general corruption are exclusive - oh who gives a fuck, this thread is just a politisperg thread because retards lost the filibuster last night.

The cintention isnt that the democrats are or are not corrupt but that the writer's are unashamedly biased yet still chose to represent a politician from their favored party as corruot and incompetent.
If anything it shows that the simpsons used to still be fair while being biased. Homer was a really into herbert walker bush. And that whole "lisa loses faith in democracy" episode was pro bush too.

>>151215225
>>151215208
You're making the very common mistake of thinking the loudest voices you see online actually represent your average democratic voter, much less your average democratic politician.

>>151215225
i know that in New Jersey all the way to the 90s cops would arrest black guys caught walking around a white neighborhood for loitering or trespassing

>>151215279
>lost the filibuster
...no, the filibuster is intact, 8 senators caved
Losing the filibuster would mean reducing the number of senators needed to force a vote to 51

He's based on JFK.

>>151215297
Not the entire concept of a filibuster you idiot, this specific one. The one they were holding out for on behalf of ACA. Although it's likely the Republicans will kill the filibuster anyway now that Democrats have made it clear they want to do so whenever they regain power.

>>151215268
Biden and Schumer represent the boomer type of Northeastern Democrat when it was still mostly Catholic and Jewish voters rather than racially ambiguous lesbians.

>>151215113 (OP)
>1989
>social justice
God i miss being young.

>>151215279
I didn't mean to imply that corruption is exclusive to any party. I phrased it poorly, what I meant to say is that Quimby only ever does either generically corrupt things or right-wing bad things. He never does left-wing bad things because the writers are leftists who either can't think of left-wing bad things or don't want to depict left-wing policies as bad.

>>151215327
>I didn't mean to imply that corruption is exclusive to any party. I phrased it poorly, what I meant to say is that Quimby only ever does either generically corrupt things or right-wing bad things
I dont think money laundering, womanizing, being lazy and general corruption are exclusive - oh who gives a fuck, this thread is just a

>>151215323
the SJW crowd absolutely did exist then, it just was still a relatively fringe faction

>>151215313
Anon
Losing the filibuster has a specific meaning. It is said all the time. It never means just the current delay.
Don't pretend like I'm the idiot because you misspoke.

>>151215342
Proof?

>>151215316
Anon those boomers are still the largest dem voting bloc
You are delusional if you think the dangerhairs that twitter blasts you with because you hate-watch them are a significant portion of the country

>>151215347
I didn't misspeak at all you midwit, the government shutdown was centered on a filibuster that the democrats wanted to continue indefinitely.

>>151215357
most democrats are brown people, illegals, minority grifters, etc who vote in direct accordance with gibs and programs

>>151215284
>Homer was a really into herbert walker bush.
But it's Homer, Homer admiring someone isn't exactly much of an endorsement.

>And that whole "lisa loses faith in democracy" episode was pro bush too.
I think it's more that Bush happened to be President at the time.

>>151215113 (OP)
Because he uses politics for his own benefit not caring about others so he lets them do whatever the fuck they want as long as his image is intact

>>151215358
Indefinite vs definite articles you fat cunt
They didn't lose THE filibuster
They lost A filibuster

>>151215373
shit like this is why you keep losing

>>151215340
>wojak

found the troon

>>151215384
>Telling me I'm wrong when I'm wrong is why you keep losing
Sounds like humanity's right fucked then

>>151215383
Just looking at this I can tell the increase in Republican "asians" between 2004 and 2020 is because of H-1B visa shit bringing so much more of them to the United States. Combine that with a shrinking white demographic and it's obvious the Republicans haven't seen some huge change while the Democrats are turning into a ghetto full of screaming women and faggots.

>>151215238
> Because you need me, Springfield. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalise criminals and rule you like a king

>>151215397
I like how that's what you got from a chart showing that old white people remain the majority of the democratic party

In reality minorities vote dem because the alternative is nightmarish not because dems do anything for them

>>151215113 (OP)
>>151215155
Reminds me of how Futurama had an episode meant to parody the 2000 election where the entire joke was that the Republican and the Democrat were literal clones of each other with very minor policy differences. Such a joke would be inconceivable nowadays.

Having a political alignment did not used to mean you automatically trusted the people who spoke and acted on your behalf.

>>151215413
>In reality minorities vote dem because the alternative is nightmarish not because dems do anything for them
Minorities vote Democrat because Lyndon B enacted the most effective psyop on niggers in American history, where they willingly re-integrated into slavery in exchange for a welfare state, the race-wide throwing in the towel and giving up to be useless niggers eternally. Lyndon's plan was so effective that other sorts of brown parasites now also immigrate to the USA illegal to immediate get on the dole and soak up welfare that always increases when Democrats gain power. Then they too vote Democrat, because that's all the party amounts to: bribing worthless people to use the power of voting (that they shouldn't even have, it was designed for white landowners to prevent scams like Lyndon's) to ensure Democrats remain in power. Something that will very realistically come to pass anyway as white people are an ever shrinking demographic, and all non-whites vote overwhelmingly for Democrat welfare.

>>151215427
It still doesn't, nobody hates the leaders of the Democratic party more than rank-and-file democrats.

>>151215427
>Having a political alignment did not used to mean you automatically trusted the people who spoke and acted on your behalf.
that's still true you know, right?

>>151215208
the left is pretty beat and demoralized now, Mamnadi gave them a tiny bit of a morale booster at least until six months from now when he proves to be mini-me Jimmy Carter and they all have buyers remorse

>>151215441
>Muh welfare state!
>Dems love welfare!
Dems despise poors and welfare, they're just aware that what little they've kept of it is propping up the entire economy.
LBJ saved this country.
Dems are the ones that KILLED welfare. It was literally what Clinton ran on you stupid child.

>>151215473
You don't live in the present day, anyone can look at the state of the Democrats and see that it's boiled down to handing ever-increasing waves of illegals, undocumented brown people and H-1B parasites as much welfare as they can get away with, which is a lot since the whole system is corrupt.

>>151215113 (OP)

Because he’s a Kennedy joke

>>151215113 (OP)
>zoomers don’t know who Ted Kennedy is
I have been saying for a while that quimby was a character that needed updating and would’ve assumed that they could’ve made a black mayor corrupt like Obama was but their is no way in hell they’d have the balls to do something like that

>>151215113 (OP)
>the only thing remotely like a democrat about him is that he's meant to be a parody of the Kennedys
That is the entire gag. If anything, his party affiliation is dependent on his status as a Kennedy parody.

>>151215599
I can see a RKJ parody as yet another nephew.

>>151215113 (OP)
The Simpsons were constantly making a ton of different characters with barely any thought so with Quimby they probably just went up to one of the voice actors, asked them to talk like a politician and they just pulled a JFK impersonation out of their ass.

>>151215404
He was right.
Why did he even execute the fraud? He had the election in the bag anyways. Even Homer and Krusty voted for him.

Same reason nixon in Futurama is a republican. Think, man. Think

OP is either
A) Really young
B) Really dumb
C) Trying to provoke a political argument
D) All of the above

>>151215268
Biden supported integration, he opposed busing along with most of the Congressional Black Caucus. Different thing entirely.

>>151215667
pretty sure it's a Watergate reference

>Nixon was obviously going to win, tf did he have to bug his opponent's campaign headquarters for?

>>151215188
This
It ain't rocket surgery.

>>151215342
the late 80s-early 90s were a lot more liberal than many people remember

Dave Mirkin was the most liberal/political-minded showrunner they had and it's from his tenure that this episode came out.

>Kennedy
>not corrupt
Time for you study more history.

>>151216045
Back in the 90s Ted was almost the face of the stereotypical slimeball machine politician.

>>151215421
Would it? How do they differ nowadays other than illegal immigration?
Gays? Both parties support them. Heck they support them more now than Obama did in 2008.
Foreign aid? Both parties sign the massive checks for shitty countries nobody can put on a map
What else, what else? Really the only difference that comes to mind between them is illegal immigration, which shouldn't, really. I mean, it's ILLEGAL to begin with.

>>151215421
That was literally what everyone felt in 2000. Both candidates were seen as empty suits and only boomers actually cared about the election. It was a really non-political era.

>>151215492
The come through the border, allegedly extremely poor yet with an smartphone better than mine and wearing Biden/Harris tshirts.

>>151216098
after the 60s protest era ended most normies really didn't care much about politics for decades, really all the way until the 2010s. this is something zoomer don't quite grasp.

>>151215113 (OP)
Because it's more accurate. Small town Democrat mayors are the most corrupt.

>>151216098
The Dot Com bubble economy was booming and there weren't any major divisive issues then, it was like "w/e man who cares about some talking heads on CNN pass the PS1 controller."

>>151215983
As far as I recall, it was his agents that freaked out and did it without his knowledge, then he did the honorable thing of standing down over it.
Compare it to modern day, the spying on Trump and "grab them by the pussy". Nobody stood down after literally doing a Nixon on him.

Why are American politics so complex?

>>151215113 (OP)
Because he's incompetent and corrupt, not pure evil. They've got Mr. Burns for riffing on Republicans.

>>151216153
I don't think they're that complex compared to a lot of countries politics.

>>151216153
They really aren't. Reds are loud and obnoxious and hate anything that isn't a straight white man. Blues claim to act in favor of everybody but in reality will back off at the slightest provocation that they could get something done for their side. So really what it boils down to is do you cheer for drunken frat boys or do you cheer for lonely virgins studying quietly?

>>151216153
it isn't. look up overton's window. liberals are not leftists, and u.s. politics are shifted to the right on everything. the "center" in the u.s. is on the right. the "middle ground" in the u.s. is on the political right

>>151216045
his father may have been corrupt with ties to organized crime and favoritism with the SEC, but JFK was assassinated specifically because he was taking actions that would have amounted to doing good in the world

-secret negotiations through cuba to have peace with the soviet union
-not agreeing to arm israel with nukes, make AIPAC register as a foreign organization which would mean they'd get less money from lobbying
-executive order 11110
-backed out of the bay of pigs, which probably pissed off the mafia who wanted to do their bullshit in cuba like there were doing in havana when the u.s. puppet batista was in control
-JFK was the one that proposed/initiated the Civil Rights act

>>151216275
This is all a crock of shit. He was murdered by a communist terrorist, not by any of the random groups that--by sheer coincidence, I'm sure--you just so happened to already hate.

>>151215185
Sir, this is true not false.

>>151215268
Biden did not do that
He's actually pretty left wing compared to some of the people he works with

>>151215113 (OP)

He's a parody of the Kennedys, who with the exception of Robert Jr., are 100% Democrats.

>>151216045
only thing I know about him was him bungling the American missile crisis
fuck that guy

>>151215113 (OP)
Fine, I'll bite. How would you write a corrupt democrat politician?

Hes s California democrat.

>>151215470
the guy was clearly going to win because he was young and good looking against two old, unsexy boomers but they'll find out fast what an empty suit he is

>>151215470
The voting machines in America are 100% compromised.

Theres a reason why they tell us not to talk about who people vote fir openly.

>>151215113 (OP)
Is DUFFMAN still part of the show or did the mouse get rid of it to reduce the amount of drinking the characters do

>>151216643
If they had run a Millenial-aged opponent, a JD Vance kind of guy against him things might have gone differently.

>If anyone asks, just tell them you're my niece.
>But I am your niece, Uncle Joe.
>Oh God, I truly am a monster.

>>151215259
>the only reason he's explicitly a democrat is b
It's also because he's a Kennedy family reference.

>>151215113 (OP)
>he's meant to be a parody of the Kennedys
there's your answer

>>151215207
>A "proper" democrat like what you imagine could probably never get elected in a relatively small and mostly white town full of conservative idiots who all go to Church like Springfield.
Um sweetie. Vermont is heavily white but still voted in Democrats.

>>151218521
prior to the 90s when New York boomers made it into a NYC suburb Vermont was one of the most red states there was, it had never voted Democrat in more than one presidential election

>>151215113 (OP)
Leftists don’t worship politicians like gods. No one is immune to criticism.

>>151215470
Enlighten me because I'm not from New York, why exactly is Mamdani a bad choice?

>>151218640
>Leftists don’t worship politicians like gods.
are you fucking kidding me

>>151215889
didnt he vote against desegregating schools though

>>151216664
Dumbass no one enforces that, you're allowed to say who you voted for

>>151216115
>source: my ass

>>151218640
what was with all the magazine covers from 2008 showing a heroic-looking Obama with a light or halo above him?

>>151215268
The new guard is even more racist now against whites

Stealth politics thread. Corruption in politics isn't unique to any one group and anyone trying to push you into tribalism and purity tests may be manipulating you. Don't fall for it! This isn't team sports. Especially on a hobby board where your defense may be down.

>>151216153
It's really not, you're just lacking context. Compare to France, which is on its fourth parliamentary government and third prime minister in a year.

>>151218738
At the core, he's made a very long list of promises with very short explanations of how he's going to make them happen. In general though, the NYC election was between him, a nonstarter Republican candidate, and an "I can't believe it's not a Democrat" Independent candidate that the electorate already hated.

>>151216578
>Annoy everyone with PC nonsense
>Fire most police officers in Springfield and cut their budget because ACAB, then do nothing about the inevitable resulting crime spree
>Raise taxes
>Wasteful spending on inefficient programs

>>151218940
Except they're not, you are making the mistake of thinking a loud minority online in any way reflects the people actually in charge of the Democratic Party. Most high-ranking dems are still old white people, did you forget about Joe Biden already?

It's a testament to the current state of adult animation that zoomers are completely baffled by a show made by libs also making fun of libs. It really is unthinkable now.

>>151219068
OP did also point out that it's weird that in practice, Quimby never actually seems to implement or even parrot liberal ideas, instead he often acts like a right-wing strawman, which is a good point.

>>151215113 (OP)
Huh, that's what libtard lefties are, not right wingers, if anything this was when the Simpson writers actually kept the facade of "we mock both sides, really"

>>151218750
Kino graphic design tho.

>>151219110
True. But modern libs are also weirdly defensive of the Democrats as an institution. A lot of municipal dems are basically conservatives with nonwhite supporters but you can't point that out these days or you're helping heckin' blumpf win.

>>151215284
>the writer's are unashamedly biased yet still chose to represent a politician from their favored party as corruot and incompetent.

lol. Sam Simon and a bunch of Season 1 - 2 Simpsons writers were conservative Republicans. They made a Democrat the corrupt mayor because they were biased against Democrats.

>>151215185
>The fact that dems were the weak center-right corporatist alternative to malicious far-right goons has been true since Carter lost.
Lmao imagine believing this when your the party of Wilson, FDR, and LBJ

>>151219110
He’s really not a right-wing strawman, just a generic “corrupt useless politician” strawman which can be either party.

Let’s imagine Springfield is one of those places where one party always wins no matter what, then a typical election (ie not the one Sideshow Bob was in) would not be about Republican vs. Democrat but something like Mamdani vs. Cuomo where the young socialist challenges the machine politician.

Mainstream TV has recently become weirdly partisan, especially on late night, where former comics like Colbert or Kimmel tell you not only that Republicans are bad (they are) but that Democrats are good, which no one under their age and income levels believe. The generic “politicians are mostly awful and only care about money and power” describes the world better.

>>151216153
lots of money involved

>>151220402
That was a long time ago.
Dems threw all that overboard after Carter lost.
Clinton was Reagan-lite