Thread 151251640

Dee Dee get out of my Laboratory!

>>151251640 (OP)
Only female Anglerfish have the bioluminescence so is this guy trans?

>>151251714
Or whoever designed him just didn't know that.

>>151251714
He's a sinner, half of them look like objects or other impossible beings. I don't think it matters

>>151251714
>>151251803
He is not anlerfish

>>151251947
Emily should fuck the sadness out of pentious

>>151251640 (OP)
>hated Baxter in his first appearance
>love him now
>in between, he has barely ever done anything

How’d they do it, bros?

>>151252046
Frankly i dont understand why he exists. Hes such a nothing character i thought he would do more by now

>>151251640 (OP)
Between her and Niffty, why are Vivzie's cyclops designs the best?

>>151252105
One eyed girls are sexy, simple as

>>151252046
>Him and Niffty pattycaking in the bg
cute

>>151252157
Eh, most of them don't much for me. Vivzie's cyclops characters just look the best in all her works, in my opinion.

>>151251714
The biologic logic of real life animals have very little bearing on the forms of sinners, also what this guy said >>151251834

Vox Populi is a fun song if you completely skip Lucifer's part, convenient they made it exactly at the minute point.

>Lucifer
>Can't kill or hurt other Sinners
>Can kill or hurt other Angels
Who was in charge of writing this again?

>>151252306
>Who was in charge of writing this again?
The bible apparently

>>151252306
JOBcifer is a BITCH

>>151252306
>Can't kill or hurt other Sinners
>Can kill or hurt other Angels
Is that real? I didnt finish todays two episodes

>>151252325
Oh like Vivzie cares about being accurate to the bible.

>>151252539
According to other anons this is one of those examples where she actually is.

>>151252525
Yeah, part of his punishment is not being able to smite Sinners.

>>151252525
>Is that real?
yes

I'm just waiting for the Roo/Eve shit at this point, the heaven vs. hell war that completed suffocated the premise from the get-go is a bore.

>>151252618
The eyes on the wall moving to watch Angeldust at the end of the episode has me all the more convinced that Roo leak is real.

Lute will die in episode 8 in a poetic way, mark my words, the meltdown will be legendary and every lutefag will hold a vicious grudge against vivzie

>>151252182
I ship them. They enable eachothers bug antics

>>151252618
Yeah I'm seeing people talk about there being a war in s3 and I'm like fuck no wrap it up and get to Roo and Lilith already. Everyone's been so stupid that the novelty of this conflict has disappeared entirely.

>>151252663
the moment she's offed is the moment i stop watching this shit series

>>151252663
Worse. She doesn't really do anything for the rest of the season.

>>151252618
It's hilarious that the disgruntled staff members spoiled that Lilith was Rosie and Fake Lilith was Eve the second S1 came out

>>151252663
Jessica already confirmed she's in season 3

>>151252586
>Yeah, part of his punishment is not being able to smite Sinners
Thats so fucking dumb holy fuck. I defend this show alot but that makes no sense

>>151252618
Wifeswap plot is also going to be shit

JAA!!!!!! I AM UBERMENSCH!!!

>>151252704
It's apparently biblically accurate.

>>151251714
In this show, who isn't?

>Chaggie just fucking in the pillowfort until the plot literally forces a win for them
God damn, Alastor may be a jobber. But even at his weakest he's still the only useful fucker in this entire Hotel cast, god fucking damn.

>>151252704
It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't come out of nowhere, he didn't seem to have a problem with Alastor throwing him around the place with his magic

>>151252727
Him being unable to not hurt Sinners I can understand, but you're telling me he can still fight other Angels even though they put him there in the first place and he has more reason to lash out at them than anyone in hell?

>>151252751
Isn't he stuck in Hell too?

>>151252690
And then some buddy they have spoils the final season, Lucifer’s early redemption, and Alastor’s and Emily’s fates within season 2.
It’s impressive. But yet, we don’t know what will be done with Lute and Adam.

Wish viv did a vees spinoff with the overlords, dont honestly care about the hotel shit

>>151251640 (OP)
Just finished listening to the other dub languages of the song, and the latin american spanish dub for sure triumphs all the others. They even have Charlie sounding all cutesy, giggling and laughing out loud during the pillow fight scene. That's not even in the original english version. Plus Vaggie sounds hot and I liked the last chorus part of the song in the latin version better too where Charlie sings that long note. They seem to mesh better there.


So what was your favorite positon?

>>151251640 (OP)
Lute was right, and nobody believed her.

>>151252771
I don't buy that one, one because it's actually treating Alastor like a threat and two becuase Roo/Eve is the big bad Vivzie has been hyping up and there would be no point in that unless it was going somewhere

>>151252771
I'm so fucking mad that idiot's fanfic is going to haunt these threads until the show is over and nothing he described happens. I hate all of you.

>>151252757
It was pointed out in another thread: Hell is Lucifer's punishment most of all. He's trapped with the worst with humanity, never being able to see the good in the human race, and him not being able to smite sinners is part of the punishment. He could fight Adam because Adam broke the agreement to not harm Hellborn, but if he was a match for all of the seraphim put together, he wouldn't have gotten the big holy boot to begin with.

>>151252757
There's an Angel embassy in Hell.

>>151252777
Honestly I find very funny that a lot of songs are way better in other languages rather than the original language the show is written.

>>151252804
So? He can't leave Hell.

>Alastor tied up and just annoying Vox is doing more damage to the Vees than literally everyone else in the cast.
Fucking kek

>>151252777
I guess they couldn't find a way to turn 69ing into a subtle dance move.

>>151252796
The mistake you have about Alastor and Roo is simply this.
Eve/Roo is the villain that must be beaten, but she is not the final villain of the story.
Alastor is the wicked man who refuses his orginal dreams of toppling Hell and Heaven. And he will be there even when Roo is gone.

>>151252817
But when he's in an embassy, he's technically in the embassy's country.

>>151252773
I was thinking about this too, but seeing how this show completely ignored the hotel I can only imagine that a spin-off focusing on the overlords would similarly suffer the same fate: steering off into a wildly different, and boring, direction than slowing down to focus on the setting and workings of these guys in this variation of Hell.

>>151252845
Roo's not dying, she's kind of an embodiment of primordial chaos. Without her the universe goes kaput.

>>151252853
So the angels just don't have to go into the embassy. They don't even need to use it.

>>151252872
Then why build and embassy in hell at all?

>>151252886
It's polite

>>151252886
Flex

What's left from the trailer that hasn't been seen in the show yet?

>>151251947
This makes me think Heaven is just gonna steamroll Vox after all that set up

I swear, there's some retarded tug-o'-war going on in the writer's room where one guy is a massive Lutefag giving her cool shit and based moments like Gravity and her smiling at the PowerPoint presentation and another guy who's a Vaggiefag that needs her to constantly suffer at the hands of Adam and Lute to make their point. That flashback felt so out of place.

>>151251714
i don't think his VA (Kevin Del Aguila) is one, at least shows no immediate signs of being one, so in this age of stuntcasting that means no he's not.

What's with Vivziepop and making villains out of nowhere abusers bc people latched onto them?

First Stella, now Adam and Lute.

I have an unhealthy obsession with Lute's thighs

>>151252924
I don't get why they don't just kick the weak angels out of the Angel corps.

>>151252924
They sliced Vaggies eye out and wings off, why are you shocked when they did it before?

>>151252910
Hear My Hope and Vox breaking the Heaven barrier

>>151252924
adam and lute were always assholes, they were never whatever headcanon you had in mind, buddy

>>151252924
were they dykes, what was this scenes meaning

This show aint good lads

>>151252886
It's called realpolitik.

>>151252910
Vox climbing the TV screen stairs. Charlie and Emily holding hands and singing in the hotel while Vaggie looks annoyed. Val reaching for Heaven. Sera saying to prepare the troops.

>>151252961
It's just when Carmine is making a point about the heaven army being terrible. The flashback is just to reinforce that idea giving more to the terrible Vaggie's past.

>>151252969
Trvke Nvke.
That being said, even though it’s bad I find it entertaining in spite of its pretty rancid fucking plot writing

>>151252969
The best thing about the show is the fanart and fanfics it produces.

>”Herpes” - What Adam declares to be Hell’s biggest problem.
>Herpes - Harpies

>Harpies - Bird women.
>Relevant Bird women in the show: Sera, Emily, Lute
>Harpies are also connected to Mermaids and SIRENS
>Sirens in the show: Lilith and Eve
>Charlie is lured in by a mysterious voice at the end of season 2

>>151252969
what an incredibly brave opinon

>>151252969
Yes. And?

Pilot Charlie was more endearing than the current Charlie we have

>>151252771
Lute's plan might see some action next season, because she's going to be basically proven right by the upcoming Vox's actions.

>>151251714
i'm like 99% sure lil dood's supposed to be a pooner

I actually hate Emily so fucking much this season. She's become like season one Charlie where she's so fucking stupid but doesn't get punished for her stupidity because she's being enabled by everyone.

>>151252988
You forgot Lute coming out with two swords

>>151252924
They were always like this and they just did the same shit to this other girl that they did to Vaggie. It was already obvious that the only person Lute cared about is Adam and Adam's voice actor has said Adam only cares about himself and maybe Lute. They're bad people, the one redeeming feature about both of them is they care for each other, that is the appeal

>>151252946
Cause Sera made it a hidden operation.

>>151252910
>>151252916

Yeah... Vox chances isn't looking too good

>>151252974
>kissinger went to heaven in vivziehell
grim

List of sinners who have shown only straight attraction in Hell
>Sir Pentious (formally of)
What did Vivzie mean by this?

>>151253060
Time stamp?

>>151253061
>the one redeeming feature about both of them is they care for each other, that is the appeal
It's a toxic and one-sided relationship though, Adam admire Lute the same way he admire a very useful tool, while Lute idolize Adam to an obsessive degree

>>151253092
but he fucked everyone here

>>151252969
it's bad/good in the same way as Skyrim

>>151252618
>completely suffocated the premise
for real. #1 complaint with this show. heck the best episode was the one with Angel and Husk where they actually stuck to that premise.

Why does heaven tolerate someone like Lute or Adam, who are obviously gigantic jerks, who belong in hell?

>>151253079
This is from Sera's Confession.

>>151253118
>he's surprised that heaven is flawed in this show
I don't even want to explain it to you

Charlie thinks Alastor is being raped by his kidnappers yet she does nothing to help him? She and Nifty are probably the only people who care about him but they're not worried at all? Nifty is crazy, okay, but Charlie? "Yes, my friend is probably getting horribly violated at this moment, I'm gonna go have lesbian sex now."

>>151253099
>Adam admire Lute the same way he admire a very useful tool
Going to need a source for that

>>151252924
I honestly don't believe this is Viv's fault, there's probably some writer with a hate-boner for Adam who insisted on putting this stupid shit in, while Val gets a funny Angel slap montage.

>>151253118
adam is basically the boss's son so he gets away with bullshit he shouldn't do

>>151253104
Episode 3 right? That one had the best pacing too weirdly enough.

>Cherri has a platypus plush
Cute!

>>151253099
>Genuine smile to her as he dies
Fuck off.

>>151253141
You don't need an explicit source, every cue about his character point to this being the case, he see women as pawns to be controlled and it was established in his very backstory with Lilith, moreover, he did mention having sex with virtue angels and doesn't have any romantic interest in Lute.

>>151253149
>adam is basically the boss's son
uh

>>151253149
Except Lilith. Eve, and Lucifer proven that this isn’t true.

>>151253135
I mean Niffty was there for the deal so she knows he'll be fine
Husk very much doesn't like him

>>151253118
Because Sera needed them to do her dirty work. No one else in Heaven had the heart to exterminate.

>>151253092
Niffty
Sir Pentious
Cherri bomb
Carmilla
Zestial

>vox is the best traditional villain in anything currently airing
viv i kneel

>>151252239
Should really be divided into two tracks, it's not like they had a problem making Vox DEI into a 1 minute song.

>>151253163
>cherry (the) platypus

>>151253118
They don't though.

>>151253176
see >>151253170

>>151253170
You fuckers are always gonna point to that one scene and exaggerate it into "holy shit he was actually love with lute the whole time instead of merely being content that a tool didn't betray him"

>>151253118
>Adam
The First Man and acting under authorization from Sera
>Lute
Heavenborn. Outside of the Winner and Sinner dichotomy completely. Falling as a Heavenborn angel seems to be less about sin and more about disobeying orders.

>>151253176
i think it's potentially interesting if he did love her, but was emotionally crippled and fucked over by losing two wives to the same guy. both of whom were literally made for him and also probably looked very similar to each other. that's got to be a headfuck

>>151253184
Was it said in the deal that Vox can't physically hurt him? Alastor just said he'll be his prisoner, why couldn't he torture him?

>>151252777
>service top charlie
Thank God she's not a bottom at least.

>>151252779
She looked super smug when they came back to Heaven. She was fully vindicated.

>>151253192
>shown only straight attraction
Nifty doesn't count, she hasn't shown attraction to anything. Cherri has mentioned finding women hot. I'll give you Zestial and Carmila though.

>>151253056
Hold on to your hats, it gets worse. Until the end of the show she'll blindly follow and believe that Alastor "just wants to help!" and ends up doing evil shit on his behalf without realizing it because she's so naive. I'm tired of her already

>>151253237
I guess they're fine to him getting tortured
They'll just have a problem if he's killed

>>151253197
Vox is so enjoyable hes quickly turned into best boy for me this season

Just watched it... what the hell was that?

>>151253249
Niffty has been attracted to every bad boy she sees

>>151253213
I'm not saying he was in love with her, I'm saying he clearly had affection for her beyond "she's my bitch". The fact that he let her push him around and also hypes her up in You Didn't Know shows he doesn't actually see her in the way you claim him to. Why the fuck would they even bother showing him smile like that if we're meant to take it in the way you think we should. You're such a disingenuous faggot.

>>151253187
>No one else in Heaven had the heart to exterminate.

>>151253260
It was all set up for the last two episodes

>>151253273
Even as an edgy athiest i still love the story of samson. It reads like a violent comic character from the 1990s

>>151253176
>>151253213
You people are completely missing the third option which is that he cared about her as a friend, the only real friend has left. Saying that if he wasn't in love with her he must have seen her as just a tool is dumb. The smile confirms she was a friend to him.

>>151253056
i hate abel more, he of all people should know a little better than gift baskets

>>151253260
You knew Emily is like Charlie. You knew it meant she's just as autistic.

Alastor yumes believe in one fake leak and they make it everyone else's problem.

>>151253213
Except you take the flashback scene that lasted for less than 10 seconds that makes it really hard to see what’s going on to the point people were angry because they thought Adam raped Vaggie.

The best take would be, Adam enables Lute’s brutality on the exorcist and seems unnerved by it.

>>151253272
Adam treated Vaggie with the same apparent admiration before she spared a sinner, it's all shallow and manipulative, you clearly don't understand Adam's character when him being incapable of genuine affection was a core aspect of his personality.

>>151252306
Someone like 2000 years ago

i liked it

>>151253311
Abel is too passive for me to hate him more, he's just a puppy going along with everything and has no real will. Emily actively goes out of her way to make everything worse, from Pentious and to the apology.

>>151253316
>and seems unnerved by it.
No he doesn't, fuck off.

>>151253322
>my headcanon is canon

>>151253322
Your deathbed is notoriously the place you are the most shallow and manipulative

>>151252777
>vaggie fucks a tomboyish hoofed demon-goat girl
fml why live

They're clearly setting it up for Emily to fall, she's literally the easiest character for Alastor to manipulate. It's so obvious

I just notice Lute was about to throw down with Vox before Sera held her back. Interesting that Sera is showing restraint here.


>>151252684
I actually think Lute might get the big blow on Vox. They kept highlighting how pissed off she was when he was doing his villain song with the TV wings and shark. Lute will probably deal the blow that greatly weakens him or destroy his main weapon, and then Alastor will get the kill while he's at his lowest.

>>151253341
It's not a headcanon when anyone with half a braincell can understand it just from watching S1, but I guess your fanfics matter more than what's established.

>>151252777
This is gay.

why is emily same power level as sera when she's a fucking idiot

>>151253322
I'm sorry you have autism, anon, but how the fuck do you miss the point that as he's dying both his literal and metaphorical mask have been broken. He is at his most vulnerable at that moment and you get to see the real him.

>>151253349
Concession accepted, now go back to sucking Adam's corpse dick

>>151253266
She likes the filth that bad boys produce

So are they going to release a not-fucked version of episode six?
The audio mixing is trash

>>151253135
Charlie's solution to problems is to pass it to someone else

Pass it to Alastor, Pass it to her dad, pass it to the Angels

She's never going to do something all by herself

>>151253369
No anon, this:
>Adam treated Vaggie with the same apparent admiration before she spared a sinner
is headcanon and fanfiction, we never see Adam and Vaggie interact positively in any flashbacks when she was an exorcist. There's a popular fan animation where she's his favorite, are you confusing it for canon?

>>151253385
His most "vulnerable" side involved him petulantly shouting about how sinners are ungrateful and should be worshipping him, you're fucking retarded.

>>151251640 (OP)
They're gonna fuck

>the only possible way to make Lucifer not being able to one-shot the vees, be biblically accurate while not making him lose a fist fight against sinners
>Foreshadowed on episode 1, 5 and on the fucking bible
>Everyone is saying it doesn't make sense
Sigh...
Everyday I'm more disappointed on the fandom

>In Vaggie's flashback of her fall, it doesn't show Adam enjoying what's happening to her, he instead just looks disappointed
>In this new one second flashback, he suddenly has a big smile as he pulls away some random Exorcist
Who the fuck oversaw this?

>>151253419
And cuck Pentious again?

>>151252988
And Alastor telling Vox "you're not even the strongest in Hell" hasn't happened.

>Vox is literally Hitlertrump but will be redeemed with friendship

>Alastor will get assraped into mega super aids hell pit with Eve

KNEEL

This show doesn't do subtlety, if Adam was meant to come across as uncomfortable with restraining Vaggie he would've just looked uncomfortable. Pic related is Adam looking subdued. In the episode he was just leering at Vaggie.

>>151253435
So NOW it decides to be biblically accurate?

>>151253458
>IT CANT BE ACCURATE SOMETIMES AND INACCURATE OTHER TIMES
>No other media in history has partially taken from religion for themes to look cool!

>>151253376
Sera is boss type seprah, Emily is make everyone have good time seprah. Equal power different fields. Sera couldn't make a welcome party half as good as her.

>>151253458
Tbf Lucifer absolutely needed some sort of limitation otherwise he just becomes a fix-it button for Charlie's problems.

>>151253322
>the same apparent admiration before she spared a sinner, it's all shallow and manipulative,
It was Lute who did the punishment on her. And the flashback to Lute doing it to another angel seems to make Adam look like he’s internal pain and trying to hide it with a smile.

And this is the show with Alastor, whose character design is always smiling. They know how to make agonized smiles.

>>151253410
The fact that you don't see how you're literally proving my point is rich. Everything is crumbling around him and the only thing that's left is the thing that really mattered to him in the end. As the other guy said, you clearly think your deathbed is where you're the most shallow. Your non-response to that point is the real concession you stupid fucking moron.

Why are people madder about Adam in the flashback and noone thinks it ruins Lute when Lute is the one physically doing all the gruesome shit?

>>151253458
Yeah? It can be accurate sometimes and not accurate on another occasion

>>151253445
Probably

>>151253481
>Sera couldn't make a welcome party half as good as her
Emily made Pentious try to kill himself.

>>151253497
Child soldier pass. You can't get too upset at a child who knows nothing but obedience and violence.

>>151253339
Are you telling me that Alastor is always in joy when he smiles? Even in this scene?

Adamfag loss list:
>Him being a loving father to Abel
>Him caring about and protecting "his girls"
>Anyone beyond Lute missing him

Adamfag upcoming loss list because they're gluttons for punishment:
>Him being a pretty good guy in Eden
>Lucifer and Lilith being the bad ones who just ruined his life and the Charlie story is a lie
>Him being Lucifer and Lilith's poor victim in general
>Eve genuinely loving him and vice versa

>>151253519
One simple trick to know what Alastor is really feeling: ignore the mouth.

>>151253517
It was her first time with a hellborn

Where did you guys hear that Vox will call off the invasion after realising he's pushing away the other vees? Did leaker anon say something?

>>151253497
Lute was always like that. Even Adam was disgusted with her lust for violence at one point

>>151253487
In any case beyond what Alastor has going on, I don't think the future big threats are Sinners.

>>151253275
I really hope so, The Hitler Vox is no joke.
>>151253312
Not the first time when writers turn characters into idiots or autists as you said for some specific moments to be honest, like I can understand Emily and Abel, but Sera and Charlie or even Pentious? Like wtf, Sera is mature enough to understand what and when to say (But fucks all up), Charlie is still dumb for some reason to fight Vox 1v1 on his territory (By that I mean the stage with aggressive croud on top), and why Pent was thinking that was a good idea? He forgot all cruelty of hell? He was a human, not the social one yes, but God damnit he knew how people could react to such thing as bloody baskets.
Sorry for the dumb rant, but damn that moment was atrocious.

>>151253376
Power does not equate to smarts

>>151253535
I'm an Adamfag and I already knew all this shit and don't care I just liked him because he was fun and I miss him

>>151253439
>it doesn't show Adam enjoying what's happening to her, he instead just looks disappointed
This is the only time he shows up and you can't see his mouth.

I wish Lucifer had a longer part in Vox Populi. I wish other characters had more songs in general. I'm getting bored of Vox hogging the soundtrack and I look forward to him being irrelevant again finally.

>>151253403
She'll finally step up by the end of season 5, during her big battle with Alastor in her demon form when she doesn't have anyone else around to help her. She nearly defeats Alastor, making him considerably less powerful but she intentionally doesn't kill him. At the last second, Alastor plays dirty and kills her, she goes to Heaven, and saves her friends in Hell in the process by sacrificing herself for them and Emily falls to Hell to become Alastor's queen.

Screencapping this for the future for everyone here who says it won't happen

>>151253549
>Even Adam was disgusted with her lust for violence at one point
No Adam just thought her enthusiasm was cringe that one time. He fully endorsed all her batshit antics on Vaggie and found them entertaining and I'm glad this scene destroyed the cope that he's somehow above her crazy

>>151253537
And what do you see with Adam when you perform the same trick?

>>151253497
Lute's always been that way.

>>151253435
The Bible alluding to Hell being a punishment for Lucifer and other sinners does not mean that the Bible specifically says that Lucifer is a complete wimp like he is in the show. It's up vague enough that a write can interpret what Lucifer's punishment would be like, and the way Hazbin Hotel chose to interpret his punishment as not being able to harm sinners is one of the lamest ways to do it. And even if you did think the punishment was good, the show makes him act retarded about it by trying to pick a fight when he knows ha can't do anything.

>>151253497
Lute thinks gay people are vile. I'm sure that's her normal behavior towards the gays.

>>151253535
Viv already reiterated that her intention was to right the wrong of the Eden story blaming women. Adam fans have been delusional all along and I wonder if they finally get it.

>>151253596
I think you don't know what a mocking expression looks like.

>>151252943
Same, I'd slap them all day if I could

AAAAAAAAAAA

>>151253561
Then you like him how you're meant to. I miss his songs too, I hope Lute's tulpa sticks around to sing more.

>>151253642
What the fuck was that?!

When did these AntiAdamfags start showing up?

>>151253671
Voxtek plants

>Lucifer can't harm the sinners because he was punished into being impotent to act upon them
So why don't they just delegate Satan into handling the sinners instead since he presumably doesn't have any divine punishment on him and leave Lucifer to rule the hellborn?

>>151253616
His expression never changes in that scene despite how animated his movements are. He’s not enjoying it at all.

>>151253642
Laughed my ass off in these moments. I don't know why.

>>151253642
I immediately recognized Zach Hadel's scream, hearing his voice in this episode gave me a hearty chuckle

>>151253680
Because that would be too smart, almost every character in this show is dumb

>>151253680
This would unironically fix Hell, remove the need for Exorcists, and give a real incentive for redemption.

>>151253671
Not anti Adam, just anti the delusional fans who've insisted he was a good guy actually for over a year. Just enjoy the fun asshole villain for what he is already.

>>151253680
because originally hazbin wasn't allowed to use helluva boss characters

>>151253680
Because he is LE DEPRESSED

>>151253600
>the way Hazbin Hotel chose to interpret his punishment as not being able to harm sinners is one of the lamest ways to do it
Are you going to explain why?
Also, I don't think it's retarded to try and help your daughter even when you're kinda powerless, besides, how would he even know Vox was able to call his bluff?

>>151253680
You presume a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sins can only rule their respective rings. Lucifer delegating othersbt

>>151253720
i can think he genuinely liked lute and that both of them are complete pieces of shit, anon

>>151253435
Im sorry but where in the bible says Lucifer cant hurt a sinner? I want to know.
Angels can hurt people, many had smited kings, whole cities, etc.

The story of Eden will just be Little Shop of Horrors. Lucifer is Seymour, Lilith is Audrey, Adam is Orrin, Eve is Audrey 2 but also Audrey 1 at the same time and also Roo is somehow also Audrey 2.

As a Lutefag who also likes Adam I like the flashback because it confirmed Adam was on the same wavelength as Lute after all. Fuck the headcanoners who kept trying to claim he was too good and moral for her. They are two bad and naughty peas in a bad and naughty pod.

>>151253749
The book of Job.

>>151253742
*others to punish Sinners in his stead may be a loophole accounted for, too, so he can't. Who knows. Viv may not either though.

>>151253720
You will never not convince me that him killing sinners is a bad thing, especially with how this season is going. How come people can criticize the stupid writing for every single character (including villains like Vox) but Adam is off the table and we're supposed to suck off the writers in that regard?

>>151253698
>Boobs and booze, baby! Y'know I'm always sayin' that, yeah!

>>151253758
people legitimately said that?

>>151253680
Because the sins are created by Lucifer, meaning they can't hurt him either
Also, he probably can't make any kind of action resulting in the damage of a sinner

>>151253760
That was Satan not Lucifer
Even in the bible they're two different entities

>>151253771
>Because the sins are created by Lucifer
Headcanon detected

>>151253671
I'm not anti-Adam I'm anti that particular obnoxious kind of Adam fag who refuses to accept facts. People used to LIKE Adam because he was an unapologetic asshole but somewhere along the way a lot of you became stupid.

>>151253769
Look at the people in this very thread trying to argue Adam disapproved of Lute mutilating Vaggie or the other girl. He didn't at all, he let her do whatever she wanted. He could stop her so fucking easy if he wanted to.

>>151253766
It's about his own intent and what's in his heart, and what is there isn't good in canon, clearly. His victims deserving it doesn't functionally matter because he isn't doing it to help or protect anyone but simply because he enjoys killing and suffering.

>Be a show about Hell
>Disempowers Lucifer
I’m not sure if it’s ironic or not because that’s just about the biggest Sin a show featuring life in Hell can do.

>>151253791
if they were not created by Lucifer then they fell too, which would make them have the same punishment as Lucifer

>>151253812
>It's about his own intent and what's in his heart
Bro's a cartoon character
>>151253826
IT'S FROM THE BIBLE

>>151253802
Exactly. Lute would do anything he wanted and he knows that. He could tell her to clip her wings and jump off a cliff and she probably would. He's fine with what she's doing.

>>151253758
That scene was the rare time where we see them act very differently about the same situation.
Adam had Vaggie, his favorite, watch Lute punish an exorcist she didn’t like.
And despite their smiles, Adam’s was completely fake and Lute’s wasn’t.

>>151253828
Anon, no, they're all implied to be hellborn, meaning they spawned in hell when it appeared, no creator or fall in the picture needed.

>>151253828
why did lucifer create a whole carnival of cool freaks and then become obsessed with rubber duck toys

>>151253844
Yes. It is about what is in a character's heart in this very simple cartoon story about redemption. Which seems to elude Adamfags. You don't have to like it but the story is what it is.

Who's the 8?

>>151253826
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the [b]lowest depths of the Pit.

16
“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17
Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who [c]did not open the house of his prisoners?’

>a 5-second flashback is enough to break Adam's fans
I'm kind of afraid to ask what you guys thought he was like

>>151253826
What does that make the Inferno, where he can only hurt three specific guys?

>>151253473
I'm just saying having that be one of the only things they take from the bible is stupid and just makes the character look like a bitch who doesn't have any power even though last season his whole thing was coming in to save the day
It's literally the whole vampires can only enter a home when thy are welcomed in rule that majority of vampire media doesn't use because it's stupid and takes away the vampire not look threatening

>>151253890
My wife who is 11 out of 10

I think saying that Adam disapproved of the mutilation of Exorcists who broke the code is retarded, but I always assumed he wasn't particularly happy that it had to happen. I don't like what that flashback showed, the same way people don't like Charlie acting retarded this season.
>>151253812
And? Him having fun in a yearly hunting trip still doesn't even make him seem that bad. If anything, making it less personal is the best way to deal with doing your job every year. Sinners still deserve it.

>>151252690
iirc it was actually several months before series 1's release

>>151253513
This is the stupidest time for them to be accurate after spending a season and a half not being accurate

>>151253890
second on the right from the middle, clearly

Btw I hope Emily will become a different character, so far she's hands down the worst character in the show. Literally a Charlie clone.

>>151253898
They thought he was tragic, misunderstood or hurt, when in truth he was just born an asshole and died an asshole.

>>151253849
It's more like he's hands off with Lute and lets her run rampant over the battalion because he finds it entertaining and he likes her.

>>151253890
The one with the odd eyes, she's still cute though.

>>151253890
Fourth from the right. I'm not quite sure why the eyeshadow look makes her worse in Val's book, but I'm not a demonic moth guy, so what do I know?

Its always about the heaven this or hell that but what about purgatory? Do they ever mention anything about it?

>>151253890
I was actually trying to find her in the actual song, thanks for the screencap, you can see it clearly.

>>151253903
Lucifer saving the day and being a badass every season doesn't a good story make. It was nerf or death and we all knew that. This is better than a Sinner suddenly being more powerful than him.

>>151253802
This is the same Adam that accepted Eve into his life despite knowing she was infected with pure evil, causing the Sinners to exist under his own blood. And Adam himself is not an Exorcist Angel, that’s the job Lute and those girls were born with.

>>151253942
Charlie is already trying to transform Hell into Purgatory by making damnation non-final

>>151253953
They could have chosen a better way to get around it
Having him not being able to hurt a sinner ever is dumb, they could have had it been he can't attack unless he's been attacked as some of ancient contract of hell between him and sinners

>>151253104
>it's bad/good in the same way as Skyrim
no? skyrim's strengths and flaws are completely different to hazbin's

>Lilith's deal with Adam will turn out to be some bullshit abusive thing from Adam
This is the moment I completely turn off the show.

>Sinner Adam
>Lucifer can't hurt Sinners
If they actually go this route it could get funny fast.

Just watched the latest episodes.
That anon was right I wish heaven would show a little force from time to time, why did the Seraphim's act like a bunch of nobodies with no authority, or atleast start off with the news that redemption is possible.

Also what was Vox's plan even? As far as we know only only another archangel can hurt another archangel, ffs Adam looked like he would have solo'ed hell if Lucifer didn't intervene.

>>151253924
Okay anon whatever you say let's kiss

>>151253963
is this why its never mentioned? Because one visit from whatever clerk actually works at purgatory would undermine Charlie's whole dream?

>>151253906
I think you are one of the only anons that gets Adam’s actual characterization of the scene.

>>151254018
Shut up faggot
*smooches you*

>>151254005
Lucifer battery death ray, apparently. Not that this explains how he thinks they'll win overall.

>>151254003
Is not how sin works

>>151254018
Are you as sweet as a sugar plum?

>>151253928
She was made ever since Charlie Dyke became a thing.

>>151254005
>ffs Adam looked like he would have solo'ed hell if Lucifer didn't intervene.
He was actually gonna win before Lucifer came in
All he had to do is stay in the sky and blast them after he took out Alastor

>>151251947
>>151252916
>Vox arrives with a grandoise entrance commanding angels to bow before him
>Cera:

>>151254003
>>151254039
Sin is a different force altogether. It’s from Roo (the Apple) and the redeemed are removed from its presence, including Pentious.

>>151254082
Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the tv screen

>>151254034
With tONGUE ANON FOR FUCKS SAKE

>>151254082
wonder if vox will have a slightly different tv head now that val cracked his current one

>>151254018
>>151254034
>>151254112
Vox and Val...

>>151253898
even woke tumblr fangirls can't resist the siren call of woman bad

>>151254082
>Yo vox
>That's like...
>A superbad™ thing to do

>>151254149
Why would Adam fans want anything else, this is a perfect dynamic.

>>151254112
FINE YOU BIG BABY
*frenches you*

I'M FROM FUCKING FLORIDA

>>151254169
That is the joke that got a laugh out of me

>>151253928
She will, she accidentally becomes evil through helping Alastor but remains just as annoying.

>>151254082
sera has to know that martyring the guy is a bad idea

>>151253898
What other fans did this season break?
>Adamfags
>Luciferfags
>Charliefags
>Emilyfags

>>151253890
I just noticed she pops up a few times

Current hanging plot hooks
>Lute's planned revenge
>Alastor's plan to regain his power
>Alastor's deal with Charlie
>Why Rosie ordered Alastor to lay low and then help the Hazbin Hotel
>How Vaggie became a executioner
>Why did Angel murder his father
>Why Lilith is in heaven in the first place

>>151254190
>She will, she accidentally becomes evil through helping Alastor but remains just as annoying.

What's this fanfiction coming from lmao

In hindsight it's so fucking embarrassing how the hundreds of millions of sinners all with a wide variety of magical powers were getting their asses beat by a few dozen winged women with rapiers led by a frat bro and literally only one demon woman tried to fight back (again apparently only fucking one out of the hundreds of millions) and used their weapons against them

Sinners are fucking cowardly sheep. Notice how they were all terrified until the angels showed an ounce of weakness by apologizing

>>151253680
I think this is another "extermination actually only happened for less than a decade" thing. Even if Lucifer's inability to smite is old, his inability to delegate the smiting is not, and related to some recent circumstance.

>>151253932
You never understood what’s good in the first place.

>>151254209
Luciferfags who knew he was a goofy bottom didn't lose.

>>151254227
The Lilith part is the most interesting thing. We know that her voice by singing gave power to hell and I think the reason why she doesn't bother answering the phone it's that she can't speak at all. But at the same time, she's always checking who's calling her, meaning that she's waiting for a specific person calling her.

>>151254228
End of series alleged spoilers from anonymous person who "knows Viv's friends" from last night's thread

-Lucifer is redeemed earlier than expected
-Alastor charms Emily, she becomes enamored with him and helps lower heaven's defenses because she thinks he "just wants to help unite Heaven and Hell"
-Audience might think Alastor is "getting soft", turns out he's helping to redeem (or kill) overlords just to get them out of his way
-Emily becomes Alastor's lapdog and does evil shit on his behalf without realizing it
-Alastor has all of the power of Hell now, has no big rivals in Hell anymore
-He's been planning this since he was a human
-Wants to attack Heaven himself
-Demon Alastor/Demon Charlie battle
-Charlie almost defeats Alastor, intentionally doesn't kill him
-Alastor plays dirty and kills Charlie at the last second
-Charlie goes to Heaven because she sacrificed herself for her people
-Her friends in Hell are saved and also go to Heaven
-Emily becomes a fallen angel and arrives in Hell with Alastor welcoming her as his "queen"

>>151254242
This aspect of it is made better with the actual timeline of exterminations being so short, if nothing else. It would make zero sense that nobody had tried fighting back in hundreds of years but 7, eh.

>>151254210
She's also very slightly out of sync

>>151254272
Very bad fanfiction because an ending like that would basically make zero sense.

>>151254314
You mean deviant art

>>151254210
>>151254293
She is so cute
Her face reminds me of that termite queen from Hollow knight

>>151254314
I truly hope it is but knowing Viv...

>>151253368
tell me again how killing Vox isn't the optimal play here?

>>151254335
>but knowing Viv
Viv has made some bad writing decisions but she ultimately makes the ones that make HER happy. How tf would this make her happy.

Wouldn’t Charlie’s fate actually reveal that Adam’s death is connected to Pentious’ redemption?

>>151254293
>>151254210
>>151253890
I will make her my bride

>>151254227
>>How Vaggie became a executioner
I thought they were custom made cherubs or something

>>151254349
Cause Emily is the self-insert that gets to be with Alastor

>>151254335
That fanfiction isn't Viv's taste and she's extremely self indulgent. That's how you know it isn't real. She's not going to go for a Charlastor on steroids dynamic when she hates everything about that.

>>151254335
All of this is fake because:
Alastor is just playing the long game. Right now his focus is letting Vox ruining himself and losing all of his power. It just so happens that very likely Lucifer will lose also his powers next episode. And all of this doesn't explain how he intends to double-cross Roxie as well. Since it's clear from Ep 3 of this season that he intends to do so too.

>>151254376
How is EMILY her self-insert??

>>151254385
She’s the third self-insert.

>>151254380
In season 1, Alastor is given a flower crown representing him becoming the king of Hell.

>>151254385
self-insert is just a buzzword

>>151254385
Emily and Charlie are basically the same person. Vivzie thinks of herself as a cheerful lil cinnamon roll like Emily but also an overworked stressed #girlboss who's in over her head like Charlie, who are both have good intentions and "just want to do the right thing"

I hope Sinner Adam is real and I hope Lute gets to do something cool.

>>151254433
Yes and the powerful being in hell are Lucifer, Vox and Roxie right now. Lucifer is out of comission soon and Vox is going to be as well. All it's going to be left it's just Roxie.

If Vox actually manages to threaten Heaven it would be funny as hell if the winners snap out of their polite toxic positivity and demand more exterminations

>>151254433
It was a cockroach crown

>>151252525
couldn't they find a better excuse?
Lucifer cannot swoop in and save the day because... he can't kill sinners!
ok it's dumb because he can still harm angels.
moreso... why not call up a goetia?
couldn't they have picked say "Luci can't kill Vox because murdering her main opponent on live TV would discredit Charlie"

>>151254463
Lute does nothing for the rest of the season according to leaks

>>151254364
>Happy life with tarded demonic dancer wife

>>151251834
This.
Troon discord is a cancer, not that it isn't apropos for this series

>>151254487
As long as she gets to do something cool in the next season, she already stole the show this season.

>>151254501
Well she's not a tard she's just not as pretty as the other girls

>>151254385
Emily and Charlie are basically the same person. Vivzie thinks of herself as a cheerful hyper lil cinnamon roll like Emily but also an overworked stressed #girlboss who's in over her head like Charlie, who both "just want to do the right thing" lol

It's a conspiracy that they haven't shown the real reason Alastor was trying to get into hell in the first place

Wow as a Luciferfag I'm surprised at how butthurt other fans are getting over the no smiting thing. I feel like it's a pretty good way of not making Lucifer the answer to every problem without needing to write him out of the show.

>>151254487
Good, there isn't enough room to do her justice in this season while they're focusing on Vox

>>151254376
>troon fanfiction
This shit again?

>>151254516
why can he still kill angels then

>>151254453
>>151254511

As immature as the writing is, one of the things I admire about this show are the background details

Imagine that when season 3 begins, there is yet another big leak.

>>151254528
Because he's stuck in Hell and can't touch them.

>show is good
>main writter becomes full og herself and writes the next season without restraints
>turn out the reaso why the previous season was good was because people were putting boundaries to her retarded imagination
Am I wrong for thinking this is what happened?

>>151254512
i don't think he exactly wanted to go there, but after he killed his first few guys he resigned himself to the obvious and started making contigency plans

>>151251714
no he's just flamboyant

>>151254538
cont.

Here are the actual leaks about the last two episodes of S2



>Angel Dust gets hypnotized by Vox to smear the hotel. Charlie and co. however instantly know he is being brainwashed and are not upset with him
>Vox reveals his full demon form
>Vox's human form is revealed
>Alastor breaks free of both Rosie and Vox
>Lucifer is captured and used for the weapon
>Vox uses his weapon to break through Heaven's blockade (quickly approaching villain sue bullshit)
>There is a final battle where of course Vox is defeated and his weapon dismantled
>No one dies and nothing substantial changes, except for Angel Dust leaving the hotel out of guilt for being hypnotized/used by Vox
>Lute has nothing to do
>There is a song named Hear Our Hope with Charlie and Emily. Not a leak but there's just limited very info about the song

>>151254538
i liked mammon's bribe in lucifer's room

>>151254596
>two characters standing next to each other
I ship them

>>151252046
Had him synergize well with Nifty and be a funny side character like her

vox is sexy. alastor is not. i am disappointed whenever i see them in art together.

>Lilith/Rosie will die in season 3. And Alastor pretends it’s a tragedy.
>Lucifer is redeemed and goes to see Eve/Lilith. It cuts off before she speaks.

>>151254555
why are they afraid of him spearheading the rebellion then

>>151254621
Val..

>>151252306
Ironically whats probably lazy writing to answer the obvious question of why Luicfer cant stop Vox is more in line with the actual biblical Lucifer. He is hell's number 1 and most high priority prisoner. He cant destroy souls but he can sure as hell corrupt and torment them tho, like if Lucifer had a pair he'd just but Vox thru a classic Dante's Inferno sesh.

>>151254566
I think she just needed some time and assistance to learn better structuring. So far, I think that she did learn a few new writing techniques, because this feels more realized than Helluva Boss.

>>151252917

And that one lutefag is ME! Im the one doing this anon! Vaggie is SHIT and whenever Lute is not on screen people should be asking "Where's Lute?"

I say "Where's Lute" so often I start banging on my table until she appears again and then I clap because shes on my screen!

>>151254603
>Hear Our Hope with Charlie and Emily
More like, hear our ironic finale.

>>151254603
season 3 and 4 better have actual stakes, or not even sunk cost fallacy would want to keep people watching this shit anymore

>>151254603
Hear Our Hope is speculated to be a song Charlie sings to break Vox's hypnosis on the Sinners

>>151254621
Oh Val, here's a sexy Vox for your art and troubles.

>>151254272
>The palest, literally white-skinned, female character saves everyone in Hell
>Emily arrives in Hell surprised to see that it's empty
>The only two people left in Hell are black

>>151254596
Baxter has done jack shit so far. I like him and all but why did they even introduce him at this point if he's just going to be nothing more than background noise?
Honestly this series really should've been a semi-episodic cartoon in the 2010's, maybe then they'd actually have more than 8 episodes per season and not feel the need to unnaturally bloat it while rushing it at the same time.

>>151254676
sorry but vox would be a sony

>>151252917
>>151254653
Maybe Lute is supposed to be a conflicting bad mom in Vaggie’s eyes.

How are Charlie and the others going to defeat Alastor when he becomes the villain, when they seem completely incapable of not acting like retards? Alastor, tied up and with words, is already doing more to defeat Vox than all the others combined.

>>151254209
Alastorfags

>>151252916
You don't know how badly I want that happen.
>Vees barely manage to beat an injured Alastor with a broken staff
They really shouldn't be beating any angels above Vaggie level.

>>151254667
Vox getting defeated by this Disney princess bullshit is actually hilarious

>>151254689
Conflicting is certainly one way to describe the chick who ripped your eye and wings out

>>151254683
That guy will probably work under Alastor (who could have a way to retrieve Adam’s body from Rosie).

>>151254683
it's good to show the hotel has literally anyone new in it

>>151254710
live by the sword(musical numbers), die by the sword(musical numbers)

So did he never really care about Charlie and the Hotel? He seemed miserable every second he was at the Hotel this season. It was all just work for Rosie, and he hates all of htem (except Nifty)?

>>151253197
Its nice how effective a villain with straight forward motivations and morality is. He used to be a nice guy by hell standards and thought he could rise to the top via commeradery but Alastor fucked up his world view so now he's just an unapologetic egoist that wants to be number 1. Classic world domination villain shit.

>>151254695
if the writers want Charlie to defeat Alastor, they will write Alastor to be a dumbass and weak so Charlie can defeat him. Very simple. There are no actual stakes in this show

Last four songs of the season btw
>>151254722
He was starting to grow fond of them in s1 but Adam kicking his ass completely reset that. He wants out.

>>151254722
But why would Rosie need him to look after Charlie. Why is she so interested in Charlie?

>>151254687
>Sony
>not a magnavox
I'm not even mad, just disappointed.

So what do you think happens if Lucy actually tries to smite a sinner. Does it not work or does divine punishment fall upon him?

>>151254722
Season 5 reveals that he's been planning to take over Hell since he was alive. Literally everyone was just a pawn for him and he's been playing 4D chess through the entire series

>>151254748
fuck
I accept my failure and am at your mercy

>>151254742
Rosie is Lilith. And probably had Eve’s voice for her power.

>>151254722
> So did he never really care about Charlie and the Hotel?
No, he clearly despised the whole idea from the very beginning. It even tracks with the "overheard conversation" leak where Alastor kills Charlie from ruining his plan to unit heaven and hell

>>151254742
For the last time, she's Lilith

>>151254340
He'd be martyred and eventually another Overlord will take his place. If anything i'd just accelerate the momentum and fanaticism. Thats what makes Populist "man of the people" Despots so dangerous. Killing Ceasar didnt stop the possiblity of the Republic becoming an Empire, it accelerated it and ensured that fate

>>151254705
If they're doing great with the latest episodes, people are saying that he's the only one doing anything useful, they're saying that the hotel staff are ungrateful for not going to save him, Lucifer is being humiliated, all that's left is for him to break his contracts and he'll have achieved everything he wants almost effortlessly.

>>151254755
Seems that it's built in that he can't do it
Like the curse makes it so he stops just short of the hit

>>151254761
>>151254758
Then who's the Lilith stuck in heaven? How does it work?

>>151254742
i don't think that's the task he has to do, or he'd have done a better job of arguing that he was doing to rosie
also from a screenwriting perspective, you'd want an objective like that to be pretty binary, where it's either been done or it hasn't.

>>151254667
Also what was the point of Vox running a whole propaganda thing if he's just going to hypnotize all the sinners? Why not just spend that energy convincing the overlords powerful enough to resist his hypnosis or whatever

>>151253458
Have Lucifer stuck in an Ice bath and being forced to chew on Judas

>>151254603
...what a flop. What was even the point of revealing Alastor was bound by Rosie?

>>151254603
>Angel Dust gets hypnotized by Vox to smear the hotel. Charlie and co. however instantly know he is being brainwashed and are not upset with him
>No one dies and nothing substantial changes, except for Angel Dust leaving the hotel out of guilt for being hypnotized/used by Vox
where is this from?

>>151254782
Pretty sure that's Satan who's supposed to do that
Also that's from Inferno which is bible fanfiction itself

>>151254770
That Lilith is Eve.
And Season 3 probably has Lucifer seek redemption to see “Lilith” in heaven.

>>151254770
That's Eve

>>151254799
From the same guy who accurately leaked 5&6 last night

>>151254757
You get a cute Vox as my act of benevolence.

>>151254516
Agreed. I don't think future major threats other than Alastor down the line are going to be Sinners anyways. I guarantee he'll get to fight someone on his level someday to please the power level obsessors. Until then, he cute and now there's no pressing plot need to kill him off which is great. I can't wait to unpack his issues next season when it's his focus time.

>>151254783
Because Alastor is the super special writer's pet who is just smarter and better than everyone

>>151254705
>Alastorfags
We prefer "Alas-sisters."

>>151254780
ego maybe? it's one thing to make people like you, it's another to have them voluntarily love you

>>151253680
Yeah its kinda a dumb play that Lucifer does not in a single instance call his siblings for aid, even if he had a falling out with them. I mean I dont think they'd take kindly to an upstart sinner like Vox fucking of the Fallen Angel status quo. Except maybe Mammon, that fucker would probably try to get in some kidna partnership with Vox

>>151254780
He uses both to be more effective. Just like our own governments do.

>>151254806
>>151254807
Ok, what's the basis of this theory that you both are claiming. I understand that we learned that Rosie has golden powers, but she could be just Eve as well.

>lucifer is trapped in hell but also powerful enough for the sinners to use him to bust out
Why didn't he just leave?

>>151254764
>If anything i'd just accelerate the momentum and fanaticism.
That's why problems like these shouldn't be nipped at the bud, but completely uprooted. Don't just kill Vox, kill all the Vees, their supporters and overlords that sided with them, destroy every single piece of voxtech, hang vox supporters from lamposts, hiring roaming gangs of thugs to destroy anything Vox-related, instill fear on anything Vox-related and turn him into a forgotten memory

>>151254822
> dumb play that Lucifer does not in a single instance call his siblings for aid
No. It works. He’s an outcast.

Vox's part of Vox Populi is way better than Lucifer's

Working on my OC Vex. What do you think guys? He's an evil angel who's has iPonhe powers.

>>151253257
>>151254723
Yeah thinking about it now it's probably why Vox is objectively one of the actually good characters, his writing isn't twisted up in a retarded way (or non-existent) like the others so his deal is much more solid in retrospect. Also he carries himself REALLY well, his voice and animation is just great. Obviously it helps that he's stuck in a pretty lousy show, so naturally he's going to stand out.

>>151251640 (OP)
Baxter doing sexual experiments on Niffty.

>>151254823
How though..? Angel Dust obviously hates him and his hypnosis is no less effective

>>151254839
>He’s an outcast.
He's not they're literally begging him to come back with bribes.

>>151254830
It’s a massive leak.

>>151254695
>Enter Sinner Adam

>>151254857
From where? I've never seen it.

>>151254852
To direct them consciously and unconsciously

>>151254847
the only issue with vox is that alastor is very obviously ruining the Vs partnership, but no one has called him on it.

it makes sense vox's too obsessed to notice al is playing him like a golden violin, and valentino is a little dumb although he is good with people, but velvette at least should be smart enough to realize what alastor is doing there. it feels slightly forced

>>151254847
Honestly I just think 2025 has proven that people love TV heads. Helps that both instances of TV head characters were stars of the show in their IP. Skibidi Toliet was the prelude to the age of TV heads

>>151254838
So Adam and Lute were right (again)?

>>151253018
And porn

>>151254822
>Except maybe Mammon, that fucker would probably try to get in some kidna partnership with Vox
Mammon, the guy who pimped out Fizz? Man, that sounds worse than death.

Why in the fuck is no one in this thread talking about the excessive quantity of angelic steel that Carmilla just fucking has for no fucking reason. This shit isnt suppose to be in hell and you cant buy this shit meaning the only way they can produce any of it is to smolder it down from all the angelic spears.

This is like the opposite of something like "Lost" where in the early seasons the group made it clear "We have this many bullets. When we run out, we cant use the guns anymore. Meaning do not fire a single round until you see an actual emergency worthy of firing a bullet at something and pray to god you only need to use one."

Nope, Carmilla just melts a whole bunch of spears. Its as dumb as when Kuriva somehow stripmined all the fucking platinum in the Earth Kingdom just to build exactly 1 robot to fight the Avatar with.

>>151252777
this scene was so cringe but Vaggie was hot so I'm conflicted

>>151254838
To bad there isnt a Machiavellian character on Charlie's side thats willing to get their hands really dirty for the greater good.

>>151254838
Jesus was a single man with a handful of followers and the Romans fed Christians to the lions forever yet Christianity still became a world religion and we have this gayass show.

Just apply more violence doesn't always work out.

>>151254919
Those weapons were used to kill 13% of sinners.

I'm only being a little perverted when I say this but it's annoying that this show will make all sorts of jokes about straight and gay sex and be more explicit about them in general (even showing Val clearly thrusting into Angel) but the lesbian sex had to be buried beneath a dance sequence with sparkles and cutesy shit. Yeah I get it censorship, but people are just weird about depicting lesbian sex that isn't soft and fluffy and "tasteful". At least have Vaggie do the tongue between her fingers gesture or make a joke about scissoring.

>>151254847
He's a villain sue who the show makes every other character stupid to make him look smart. His whole relationship with Alastor is annoying over indulgent fan service that is taking up too much screen time. Though he is entertaining, his whole ideology and motivation are really not that interesting when you really look into it. You can tell they just threw in the stuff about him being a racist and a sexual abuser for villain shock value to hide how undeveloped his character actually is.

Everything about his character just feels way too on the nose and rushed.

>>151254958
I would prefer no gay content as possible.

>>151254973
Wrong franchise for that buddy

>>151254764
>Killing Ceasar didnt stop the possiblity of the Republic becoming an Empire, it accelerated it and ensured that fate

Ave Vox Populi
Ave Vox Imperator
Ave Vox Inferno
Ave Vox Paradiso

>>151254822
val has a fizzbot, maybe they're drinking buddies or something offscreen

My autism so strong I made entire one shot out of idea I got the moment I saw this kitty
>archiveofourown dot org/works/74110756

Why? I dunno. But hey. I wanna spread it. To see if my brain still has some steam left.

>>151254919
Honestly I feel like Sera should be giving WAY more shit to Lute for being this sloppy with the exterminations. like if they actually were cautious and didnt leave angelic weapons around everywhere none of this wouldve happened

>>151254993
Wow I'm just noticing the club marking on their face

>>151254993
That’s a monkey.

>They call me Cablemaster
>they call me Veezy
>they call me Antenna Man
>bitch, I'm ANGELIC

>>151254919
maybe she figured out a way to spread it out with alloys and shit

>>151254993
There were a lot of cute sinner girls in the Casino. Husk is a lucky man

>Lucifer is trapped in Hell with his greatest mistakes, and he’s not allowed to punish or hurt them at all
>this makes him depressed
>so Lilith has a great idea to cheer her hubby up
>starts empowering and inciting Sinners to rise up and building to a rebellion
>this causes Heaven to crack down on Hell
>Lilith’s actions gift her beloved with a day where he can watch all the Sinners he hates be slaughtered without having to raise a finger himself
Lilith is truly the best wife.

>>151254997
Lute and Adam are managing literal seven-year-olds.

>>151254977
Vox getting martyr treatment isnt too bad of a plotline desu, hed probably like at least getting immortalized in death (especially if you subscribe to the human vox suicide theory) but i doubt the show is going that route

>>151254997
i mean if only a few dozen angel women were sent down to kill millions of demons something was bound to go wrong

>>151254977
>>151255027
Who would be Vox's hypothetical Augustus? Cause Velvete and Val really aint all ruling tyrant material lol

>>151255017
I wish I had a wife who'd genocide the undesirables for me.

>>151255021
what if lute used to be a traditional looking angel with long hair and pretty robe but when adam asked for a soldier corps she got super into it

>>151255041
alastor obviously

>The exorcist that Carmilla killed turns out to be that Vaggie flashback girl.
>Vaggie finds out about it and causes mass conflict in Hell.

>>151255060
>pre-extermination tradwife Lute

Viv is making it aggressively unsubtle with how much unrelenting clit-glazing Charlie is giving her mom Lilith. That line where she says "my mom would never want Violence" when she has literally fucked off for seven years radiates the same energy as Omniman "I can just make another you."

>>151255060
Don’t think so.
Lute and the Exorcists look nearly identical.

>>151254209
Luci fans are gonna break next week when he somehow gets captured despite being impervious to any sort of harm.
Also I wondered if there's other characters beside Velvette and Luci that had a rewrite from their pilot days

>>151255071
what the fuck is an omniman
i only watch hazbin and helluva

>>151255041
Alastor
Right after viciously purging Val and Velvete (Cleopatra and Marc Antony) and their supporters of course
Bonus points if Vox's will is read and reveals he's giving everything to Al instead of the other Vees

>>151254997
I feel like it was probably Adam’s idea.
Leave some weapons behind so the Sinners can keep perma-killing each other during the rest of the year and make their job easier.

Here's your 8/10 dancer for the night anon who would want to fuck such a creature eeeeewwww

>>151254683
genuinely i think it's because so many people liked his design

You know what this whole "Lucifier can't hurt sinners" thing means?
That means it's now canon that if a powerful sinner could, they could rape Charlie and Lucifer could do nothing about it
Maybe the sins could but I don't know

as stupid as the lucifer thing is, I'm just glad Charlie will be the one driving the final battle instead of getting saved by someone else at the last minute. Because she is the protagonist of the show and all. I mean that's what's happening right?

After a rewatch, I'm kinda losing respect for Vox finding out that he's apparently got perfect mind control that deletes itself from the victim's memory. Yeah, sure, scheming is a lot easier if you work with perfect information.

>>151255061
Yeah Alastor would be both the Brutus and Augustus in such a situation. Like we know dude is scheming something after "surrendering" to Vox. Honestly would be based if he deals the killing blow to Vox and then frames it as the Angels or Charlie killing him, and then he takes over Vox's place riding the outrage. To bad him being Rosie/Lilith's bitchboy kinda complicates that

>>151255086
Omiman
Character from Invincible

>>151255084
I don't have any proof but I really think Valentino was supposed to be more evil, meanwhile what Vox did to angel looked more fucked up than all the shit we have seen

>>151255101
>rape Charlie
charlie can kill anyone she wants

>>151255099
it's not red, which is genuinely pleasing

>>151255105
I mean that's how hypnosis works most of the time

>>151255084
there was some instagram account they made non canon about how vox was somewhat abusive to valentino iirc

>>151255143
wasn't the abuse a mutual thing?

>>151255094
la creatura...

>>151255087
Honestly with how much of a theater kid Vivz is i'd kinda hope she does in fact refrence William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar with the famous Mark Anthony speech. But that assumes Vivz is an appreciator of actual old school theatre and not the fruity modern shit.

>>151255116
It's still weird seeing the two shows next to each other in promos.

>>151255155
yeah

>>151255121
They're all bad.
Viv is not a good writer but it's pretty clear that none of the Vs are supposed to be redeemable in any way

>>151255161
vox said books were boring so i'm not sure he'd be the best character to do it. alastor might

IM THE FÜRHUR, HEIL VOX HEIL VOX!

Are you ready to apologize to him when he comes out of this unscathed and earning his power?

>>151255071
I'm absolutely certain Lilith wanted to stage a violent uprising, and Lucifer was trying to work on a peaceful solution and failed (leading to his 'arc' in season 1, having 'tried it all before').

Also, the entire timeline only really makes sense if Charlie's birth and early years were the catalyst for Lilith rallying up hell. I mean, Lucifer and Lilith were together in hell for thousands of years. Thousands. Charlie is the first child they made together. The only thing that makes sense is that Lilith wanted to create a better world for Charlie. And the most likely reason why she might have made a deal with someone in heaven, stays there and ghosts her husband and daughter is because that's part of the deal to keep Charlie safe.

>>151255094
That is a wife for real chads.

>>151255143
Wow I had totally forgotten about the instagram accounts

>>151254848
And she'd genuinely love every minute of it.

>>151255121
>I really think Valentino was supposed to be more evil
he was
they changed alot

>>151255195
I will never apologize to a jobber.

>>151255121
damn really? he's already a pimp rapist

>>151254780
I don't think he counted on Alastor driving a wedge between him and the Vees, so he's making up for their absence.

>>151254809
who is?

>>151255108
>To bad him being Rosie/Lilith's bitchboy kinda complicates that
The whole point of his deal with Vox is taking advantage of the latter's burning need to impress how strong he is to Alastor. By doing so, Vox will become the strongest sinner in hell and Alastor's deal with Rosie will be broken so he's finally free. He's going to be unchained

>>151255161
I do dig the cracked comparisions drawing Vox's rise parallel to the rise of Caesar and the Roman Empire. Helps that his name is literally "The Voice" in Latin and his latest song is refrencing the Roman saying Vox Populi (The voice of the people). I was a saying associated with Caesar was well because he was very puch a populist and very popular with the plebeians, much like Vox has become a "man of the people" populist amongst the Sinners.

>>151252924
Because viv is a hack writter if you couldn't tell by now

>>151254993
Need a one shot with 8/10 dancer girl

YOU KNOW WHAT?! WHY DOESNT CHARLIE GO TO OVERLORD MEETINGS?! Charlie cannot actually spend 24 hours a day at that fucking hotel there is no fucking way she doesnt like interact with like all the other top officials in hell because shes on that lucifer clearance which grants her that right? What are they gonna do tell her to leave?

Camilla should be telling Charlie "you know if you cared at all about how politics work down here you'd gain perspective on why redemption is hard for a lot of people and next to impossible for most."

>>151255084
They are gonna checkmate him by trapping him in a way that he'd have to harm Angel to get out of, seems pretty obvious to me. And Lucifer literally is incapable of doing that, so... That's such a fucking dumb plot point.

>>151255227
He put himself through sexual assault to crawl back up to the top and destroy the rape troupe without even lifting a finger. Respect.

>>151255271
Some guy. He showed up like ~30 minutes before the episodes went up, dumped a bunch of leaks and turned out to be right about everything.

I really think that all the stupid decisions the characters make in this show could've been more bearable if we had silly just characters hanging out episodes, when all that you get is plot plot plot plot plot it makes their decisions too serious and kills the comedy side of the show....making everyone look just way too stupid

>>151255071
If they make Lilith out to be an absolutely evil bitch I’ll be so happy.
This seasons done a good job smashing the old Alastor and Adam being good people headcanons, should go for three and break the nice queen Lilith ones too.

>>151255301
Charlie would need to be willing to assert her authority

>>151255143
>>151255215
It was the other way around, Val would beat Vox up

>>151255301
>Charlie cannot actually spend 24 hours a day at that fucking hotel
she's a NEET living off trust fund money. does this surprise you?

Lucifer being humiliated is one of those cringe animation moments I can only watch once

>>151255139
It's a lame fucking plot device. I can respect manipulating the populous and swaying public opinion with a huge media empire, but this shit? It provides an answer that throws up way more questions in return.

>adamfags mad that he's a piece of shit
>tvfags love the fact he's a piece of shit
I don't get it...

>>151255094
Why do they call her The Kicker?

>>151255341
if my fuckbuddy called me alastor during sex i'd commit domestic violence too

>>151255363
I dont get it? I like that Adam is a lesbian relationship destroyer.

>>151253135
Lesbians can't have sex they masturbate and then they hit eachother

>>151255363
TV and Valfags just have a rape fetish even if they furiously refuse to admit it.

>>151255298
TBF my one shot has nothing really sexual in it. It's basically both waiting for Extermination to happen and speaking about things from their past on earth and nature of punishment they have.

>>151252239
I actually like Lucifer's part the best, that singer is crazy talented.

>>151255391
Season 1 Adam said dykes are hot, so...

>>151255351
I have to stop Vox Populi right after his part ends and pretend he got to do something cool. I can't handle the secondhand embarrassment.

>>151255391
Isn’t it also technically incest?

When is St. Peter going to give his homeboy Jesus a call to ask for a favor? Like I think its really dumb that Vivz has St. Peter in the show, who was one of Christ's closest friends and the most well known disciples and just pretend Jesus aint a factor

>>151255164
Am i the only guy who likes hazbin but never got into invincible?

>>151255420
the same would go for any adam/human or former human ship at all, so just dont think about it

>>151255420
The Exorcists are not daughters of Adam.

>>151255414
Same and I don't even like Lucifer. This shit is just THAT embarrassing.

>>151252777
SEX!!

HOT SINFUL SEX!!

HOT SINFUL SEX WITH VAGGIE!!

AAAAAHHHHHH!! EERRRRRGHHH!!

Do you think there's a reason why Sinners can gain powers when nobody else in Hell besides the Morningstars, Sins and Goetia can? Who designed that part of them?

>>151255425
>When is St. Peter going to give his homeboy Jesus a call to ask for a favor?
Jesus is on a long vacation on earth with his homeboy

>>151255428
I don't like either but I watch both anyway because I love this retarded fucking zoomer slop.

>>151255404
And that is good, some background characters could have a cool background. Like damn, there is so much to tell but we have the gay lesbo cuck drama
Cuck is a buzzword here ofc

>>151255412
You cant hate lesbians and find them hot, its something I feel like this website is well familar with lol. Like how a lot of you guys hate homos but goon to femboys regardless.

Not tryna pull a "you hate spiders, so clearly you wanna fuck them" asspull but it is pretty apparent that even dykehaters find it hot sometimes (typically by headcanoning them being a bisexual threesome with their self insert)

>>151255425
I mean maybe they are acting like the holy trinity is like one character, and that character is in super heaven where the Speaker of God fucks off to when not in regular heaven?

>>151255388
I think Val would be fine with it if Vox let him rape Alastor

>>151255425
Vox is going to launch his attack on the Pearly Gates and then ten minutes later it shows dozens of dead and dying Sinners on the ground while the Gate is untouched.
>“Well shit, St. Peter’s got hands, who knew?”
Trust, there’s a reason he’s the doorman.

>>151255425
>the Vees run into Heaven
>they stop in their tracks when they see Jesus standing there
>Jesus walks over to a nearby table
>flips it
>the Vees get scared and go back to Hell

>>151255425
I cannot see Peter.

>>151255414
Is a shame because Vox Populi is a cool song but the Lucifer part makes me facepalm way too much

>>151255459
Should i try invincible again? I like the clips of omniman chimping out and it turning into essentially a horror cartoon but i have issues with it like megan and how giga 9/11 disasters happen all the time and people treat it so casually within the show

>>151255454
maybe you get more power by how many people you have under contract, like you're indirectly using their energy as their own?

>>151255456
bit off topic but that anime was really nice. Just seeing Jesus and Buddah being bros. Maybe Heaven doesnt call on Jesus because they dont want to face the concequences of not abiding by his whole "died for the sins of humanity" thing. Like he'd probably be the most furious at the entire concept of extermination out of anyone.

>>151255491
How far did you get? Not far by the sounds of it.

>>151255475
I haven't forgotten.

If Lucifer was smarter he would've supported Vox plan only to betrayal him in the last second to see him being btfo by heaven, lose the sinners that you hate and get rid of the guy being annoying boom checkmate

>>151255475
>he summons an upside down cross and starts beating people to death with it

>>151255475
>>151255481
>The exorcists really were just Heaven's jobbers
>The sinners are unbelievably lucky that most of Heaven is content to leave them alone to their own devices
>Vox's crusade is enough to piss them off and get a real purge started

>>151255495
>maybe you get more power by how many people you have under contract, like you're indirectly using their energy as their own?
That is how it's meant to work, I'm asking WHY this is. Like what's the purpose in allowing people doomed to Hell to gain powers.

>>151255475
St. Peter fucking went through hardcore shit back during his moral life living under the Roman Empire. Kinda makes it baffling that Vivz made this wise old hebrew man into a fruity blond twink to.

>>151255491
If you're only really in it for Omniman, don't bother
After Season 1, he basically only shows up extremely rarely to steal the show and the rest is like 90% filler and teen romance drama

>>151255481
Jesus will probably be a bit upset that Vox disturbed his vacation after St. Pete gave a call for a little help

>>151255509
Like the first three episodes
>>151255534
I like that viv made st peter into a twink because i wanna rail him whenever hes on screen.
>>151255541
> and the rest is like 90% filler and teen romance drama
Oh im probably gonna skip that shit then

>>151255528
Because even if all them marched on the gates of heaven at once in a vast army, God could snap His fingers and make them all as dust

>>151255465
I just don't think Adam hates lesbians, he'd probably subscribe to the idea that lesbians just never had a good dicking or whatever, typical frat boy stuff. I think the Vaggie flashback we saw was not about breaking up a couple, it was about the other angel somehow fucking up and getting 'disgracefully discharged' by Lute. It brings up a lot of dumb questions, like, what the hell happened to that angel afterwards? Where do disgraced Exorcists go? Does nobody ask questions when they pop up with their wings cut off?

That reminds me, how the fuck did Adam not know that angels can be harmed by angelic weapons, when his second in command maims another angel with an angelic blade? He literally had no reason to lie about not knowing either, since at the time he said it in the season 1 finale, he was high above and only Lute was around to hear him, who'd 100% already know. And if he knew, why would he EVER allow that angelic weapons remained in hell for Camilla to collect and sell etc?

Lute could pull a gun at the Exorcist Christmas party and start threatening everyone she didn't like and Adam would find it funny and let her continue

>>151255566
>Like the first three episodes
Yeah, listen to >>151255541 then.

>>151255465
*can
fuck me im stupid

>>151254903
>spoilers
Man I can tell you're underaged and uneducated. TV heads have been a tale as old as time on the world wide web.

>>151255528
oh i see
likely it's just one of those accidental things built into the fabric of the system. it's pretty much just an after death deal with the devil, which has probably been around since faust

hell maybe it could even work that way in heaven, where one winner could get powers through a contract, but everyone there is too nice to try it

>>151253698
>>151253642

>>151255585
Lute is cute and sexy in a yandere way and adam is fun because hes so evil. My favorite no coombait characters in this show are adam and vox because of how fucking evil they are

>>151255566
>just the first 3 episodes
go ahead and watch the last 2 episodes of Season 1
that's peak Omniman, it's all Omniman basically
that's the part that everybody raves about and loves and has sunk-cost fallacy for watching the other seasons

just watch those 2 eps and call it closed, consider that the end of the show
you'll enjoy those episodes at least

>>151255017
Curse Lucifer for his genes.

>Cinnamon, you're gettin' way too big for your screen
>Now I'm here to drop a Polish, it's gonna be mean
Can't not hear it like this

>>151255625
Charlie's hotter

i love lesbians so much bros

i'll take the scraps when i get'em

>>151255612
I mentally checked out when Mark goes to the bug-planet and finds his dad and it turns out that he fucked the bug alien lady and suddenly we're supposed to care about his purple alien half-brother and the mom takes care of him like it's no big deal that her husband's bastard child is now foisted on her

>>151255653
Charlie is technically bi so you still have a chance

>>151255625
>>151255640
Im so tempted to post that pic of lucifer fucking charlie. Both are so fuckable holy shit i love being bisexual

I wonder what's going to be Viv's dumb rule to
>God is seeing all this but he can't stop just because

>>151255663
Would you be surprised to learn that that's not even in the top-10 of most ridiculous egregious shit that ends up happening?

>>151255663
Marks mom is hot i like the incest art between her and mark

>>151255625
Thicc mom
Sticc daughter
Imagine the oyakodon

>>151255084
I have a hunch that this guy (the tv one, ignore not!Blitzo) was Vox's initial rendition or inspiration, but that's just a guess on my part. He also has another design for some reason in the pilot.

>>151255625
Eve and her spawn.

>>151255671
>God is seeing all this but he can't stop just because
God is seeing all this but he WON'T stop just because

>>151255688
The other design in question.

>>151255666
When Charlie and Lucifer were sitting on her bed talking and they hug and smushed their faces together, for a second I absolutely thought they were going to kiss because I completely forgot he's supposed to be her dad. I think the fact that he's short and Jeremy Jordan's voice sounds so young doesn't help

>>151255693
How much you wanna bet hazbin god is a lazy jerk like in JTHM

>>151255671
>Vivzieverse God just letting this happen cause its the most entertaining shit he's seen in a LONG time
Watch that be it, him just being a Family Guy tier God portrayal (given vivz's love and emulation of Seth's work that would not be suprising)

>>151255665
she's to sweet for me

i'll take my seat in the cuck chair watching and gooning

>>151255684
I wonder how they're going to handle the rape scene. I kept seeing the comic version here and I wonder how wild they're going to get with it if it actually happens in the show

>>151255722
Imagine they get seth to actually voice hazbin god and he does a sinatra style song

>>151255671
they're just going to use that big gold bird thing whenever they need a god standin

>>151255728
I know how you feel
It's an abstract kinda feel, but I feel it
she is just way too nice, I'd feel guilty

>>151255728
I don't remember these Hozier lyrics

>>151255625
Where do her goat legs come from?

>>151255099
It's a good design, I like his personality too and found his voice pretty cool; but this show has so much shit going on with the hell vs. heaven nonsense that he ended up being yet another causality in relevance.

>>151255741
>God sings the Family Guy theme, referencing the fact that he is the father of all mankind and angels

>>151255671
>because
God gives you the tools to help you help yourself.

>>151255762
Lucifer, IIRC he has goat legs too

>>151255762
Charlie has no ass in the Amazon series, she at least had a butt in the pilot episode

Would Lute actually want to remain on the military for the rest of her life?

>>151255768
>Hey Speaker, remember that one time Lucy tried to overthrow me and I hit him so hard he fell straight into Hell?
>*Cuts away to a flashback of God smacking Lucifer with a folding chair so hard he meteors down into Hell*

>>151255759
lol

>>151255809
She's got nothing better to do

>>151255809
Possibly. What else does she have in her life?

>>151255824
Was Adam pretty much the only way for her to look at other things in life?

>>151255832
The exorcists Heaven produced and Adam named.

>>151255849
So why would she leave the army?

>>151255625
Need more sexy Lilith art and screencaps.

>>151255837
Pretty much yeah
All she's known is to fight and kill and now she's a murder machine without purpose

>>151255865
When she realizes she is the one getting scammed around season 3.

>Sinners at the gates of heaven, ready for war
>Heaven unleashes its most powerful weapon against them
they’re Winner family and loved ones, who are VERY disappointed in them

>>151255906
> and now she's a murder machine without purpose
She was always like this probably since the beginning. As fodder for heaven to throw away so they don’t die.

>>151254242
What doesn't make sense is a bunch of Angels splatted to death on Alastors barrier in the s1 finale

>>151255906
Adam could fix her

>>151255985
go back and look closely, that barrier has several shadow-tendrils coming out of it and each one is holding an angelic weapon

why alastor decided to not use those multiple angelic weapons he had against Adam?
pride, I guess

>>151256025
Alastor likely wanted to take Adam’s soul to empower himself.

I wonder if Alastor knew Lucifer couldn’t smite his ass.
It would explain why he had the guts to basically say to his face “your daughter calls me daddy too” in song form no less.

>>151255428
Invincible is nice but what I'm really interested in is what happens after the Viltrumite war.
The war is only halfway through the comic and almost everyone agrees the quality drops hard until the final arc

>>151256040
Alastor knew Rosie was Lilith the day she met him. He’s the predator.

>>151256040
I think he just knew full-well that Lucifer wasn't going to go mask-off and fuck him up in front of his daughter
Alastor is her friend, he has to play nice because he doesn't want Charlie to hate him

if Alastor knew Lucifer couldn't kill sinners, he probably would have tried to kill him himself already, ages ago