Thread Questions:
>What's the legal status of women in this setting(2nd Class, slaves/pets, "hidden" Sexism, etc)?
>How do women help to uphold the patriarchy?
>Do men openly enslave women or are they more subtle about male domination?
>How do men treat their favorite woman, and what's their reward for serving the Patriarchy?

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This thread is for fetishizing a patriarchy where it's biological men being Doms and biological Women as Subs

>>11261925
Honestly for me the treatment of "free" women should be grueling and exhausting, but not absolute torture. Punishments, usually physical are waiting at every turn, and have been her whole life. She works herself to death and barely sees any of it, but at least she's not actually a slave.
Slaves are where I would limit the worst treatment like I was saying in the last thread. Even if a normal woman's life is awful, they still know slaves and prisoners have it worse.
All the dangerous and dirty jobs are filled by slaves, which might require some porn logic to explain, but whatever. These women aren't all hidden away in secret prisons, at least not after they're trained, so free women see the consequences of being resistant or being unable to repay their inherent debt.
Wives should have the best lives, but that's relative. They still work, but their husband can protect them from the sexual duties if he wishes, and maintains the right to handle punishments when she earns them, potentially being softer if he wants. They of course give all of their money to their husband, but there are laws requiring them to be well fed, clothed and housed, closer in wording to animal welfare laws, but there are some lines between domestic discipline and abuse that don't exist for free women and would be irrelevant for slaves.
Picrel is from an artist whose work is about wives being punished, and often is essentially torture. I imagine courts would tend to believe a man's justifications for anything his wife wasn't maimed or killed by.

Also, seems we double started the threads, bad timing, which are we killing?

>>11261925
>don't need to be soft on women in the scene
>idea of wage slavery
Could tie the "soft" or more comfortable aspects of wage slaving into a system of women needing male guarantors.
Having a man negotiate her terms for a cut of her wage like a temp agency or there's a "under the table" sexual arrangement between women and their guarantor.
If She goes it alone the system is set up to abuse these independent women.

>>11261882
As it relates to the ideas of:
>women too prideful to submit at first
>Lesbians could even have their own marriage
Even if women try to go their own way their lives will be made miserable for it.
So there's always the option of the "easy option" of giving up some freedom to a guarantor.
Or complete submission in marriage or some lewd concubine/lover arrangement

>>11262415
Kill the other thread, OP was messed up

>>11262414
>>11262420
So let's go over the central idea of this patriarchal model: we are dealing with a system that gives girls the illusion that they are free, but they are born already in debt to their male relatives and pay heavy taxes for their freedom, they have to go through a hellish compulsory education and become super-skilled labor at very low cost and public sex toys, with their salary being largely diverted to pay their debts and to pay a guarantor for them, someone who is basically their voice in negotiations and legal issues and may also be the owner of the accommodation where they live, in addition they have to accept social norms and abusive practices such as bondage dress codes, corporal punishment and other things, with the risk that if they do not honor their debts, their responsibilities or infringe the rules too much they may end up as real slaves in the worst of the worst they can imagine. Their only spark of hope is that if they ever really pay off their debts they are promised a decent life, but in practice this never happens because the whole system was designed to be impossible, or else they find a husband to be their negotiator and hope he is a nice guy and not someone who will exploit them and then divorce them to be sent back to the terrible slavery mentioned above. Now it's just a matter of going deeper and detailing.

>>11262434
>become super-skilled labor at very low cost and public sex toys
>accept social norms and abusive practices
Expanding the theme of sexual exploitation; it's the norm for women to preform some "favors" to keep their position.
If she doesn't want to be replaced there's there's a bare minimum like hand jobs, sucking off the men at work, etc.
Women who keep their Self respect/pride try to avoid it as much as possible.

But others realize that the only way for a woman to advance in life is using her body.
Being the office cum-dump, becoming one of the boss' mistresses an being a local "easy" girl.
That sort of thing earns women promotions, "gifts" in cash or products and entry into generous maternity programs if she has a bastard in her belly.

>whole system was designed to be impossible, or else they find a husband to be their negotiator
Could have sex work/comfort industry as the 3rd option in-between wagie hell and the fairytale marriage.
It pays well enough and at the very least they don't have to work a "real" job.
And often it pays better then most jobs women get, but that's the design of the system.
Women need to debase themselves and serve men...

controversial: I like settings like this because I imagine myself as the liberator, like I'm the first man who's ever treated a given girl kindly or something

>>11262587
>I imagine myself as the liberator, like I'm the first man who's ever treated a given girl kindly or something
Sounds like the set up for a /d/ Isekai, MC in the patriarchy aims to rescue a woman from the system.
He's seen as that weirdo with a monogamy fetish who spoils a single woman despite having the money to afford more.
Being kind/gentle to his woman opens MC up to "moral corruption" from his woman.
She pushes MC to embrace polygamy and /d/ traditions under the guise of saving other women...

Being an unprocessed female is not a crime within the Glorious Republic. It is considered to be a sign of immaturity, and possibly of criminal inclinations, however.
Girls are not processed until they are post-pubescent as the major alterations could negatively impact their growing physiology.
Women that agree to be processed get to choose what kind of servant they will become. Those that have broken the law will have their transformation chosen for them. There are 4 different kinds of servants:
>Bionic
30% nanites, 40% organic derived synthetics, 30% original organics. Bionic women will fulfill the needs of the men in their life with selfless mechanical precision. Highly modular, and typically used in high tech or high security workplaces. The older a bionic gets, the less organic she becomes, until she becomes just another anthropomorphic drone.
>Beast
As big and strong as they are submissive, which is a lot. They are given an unnatural speech impediment which prevents them from saying more than one word per breath. To communicate quickly, they use a state sanctioned form of sign language. Normally used for construction, demolition, or police work. Occasionally used for "emergency breeding."
>Bimbo
Their body mass is 90% organic with 10% consisting of free floating nanite colonies. These colonies maintain their hosts beauty, health, and simple minded nature. The woman's owner can command her nanites to change her in any way he desires. And they will, but at a slow natural rate.
>Breeder
Enhanced reproductive organs paired with artificially fluctuating neurology. Basically, the more pregnant she is, the smart she becomes. But the longer she goes without getting knocked up, the hornier and dumber she gets. This system ensures women can become useful in intellectual pursuits while still staying tethered to their true purpose.

>>11264047
>Pictured is an example of a breeder
Lena Fukowaka would have been stuck in the secretarial pool her entire professional life. Fortunately she had an epiphany that scraping by on minimum wage was not living. So she finally visited a female improvement center. While pregnant with her first, she was able to foresee a way to save her company millions. She was promoted to a supervisor position and assigned a schedule of men to keep her knocked up. She is terrified of losing her genius intellect and thus has never tried going unfertilized for any length of time.

>>11264047
>example of a bionic
Serah Williams is 51 years old and one of the first women to become a bionic. She is rather protective of her youthful looks and has spent much of the allowance granted by her husband on maintaining her face and breasts. She has allowed the rest of her body to mechanize. Her husband is planning on turning her into a semi-sentient stationary milk dispenser when she turns 60. Then she will be passed on to the next generation as a living heirloom.

>>11261449
>>11261469
>>11261471
(just referencing these)

>>11261882
>lesbians
Lesbians can do what they want but the law makes no exceptions for them. Female masturbation is almost always forbidden, and that includes females sexually pleasuring other females. There is no legal recognition of lesbians either. The emotional relationship is allowed, but these women are not exempt from any of their duties on account of that.
Older single women are usually assumed to be lesbians.

>the one time she tried to claim it was unwanted she lost the court case
I want to come back to this actually.

>>11262434
The way I envision it there's not really any illusion that they are actually free, aside from the fact that these women know that they're better off than slaves. To the contrary, this entire society treats them well. Despite the immense debt they owe, they are allowed so many real freedoms! These women should be grateful to be allowed what comfort they are given.
The illusion is the possibility that they might ever be able to pay off their debts. This is a total falsehood - they are taught of examples of women throughout history who've managed to do so, but in reality these are simply myths and fabrications.

>they have to accept social norms and abusive practices such as bondage dress codes, corporal punishment
I hadn't thought about bondage dress codes but it's not a bad idea at all. After all, she is in such great debt that the current use of her limbs is quite a privilege.

>>11261882
>the one time she tried to claim it was unwanted she lost the court case
>>11262434
>pay a guarantor for them, someone who is basically their voice in negotiations and legal issues
>>11264544
>I want to come back to this actually.
Women are considered to be inherently duplicitous and unable to delay gratification.
This is a big part of why female debt is such a cornerstone of this society. Women are to be grateful to have men protect them from their own vices, and owe men a debt for that.
Naturally, if a woman accuses a man of rape or sexual harassment, it becomes very hard to believe her. After all, women crave sex constantly. It's necessary to have a system that protects women from assault but also dispels false accusations.
The solution to this is known as "framing". Upon filing a legal case accusing a man of the crime, the woman is immediately restrained, nude, in a public stockade. She will have to make her own case - women do not receive legal representation. She will remain "framed" until the conclusion of the case - no provision is granted for withdrawing it.
The stockade is always in a public place. If she is a virgin, it is illegal to touch her - otherwise (including if she lost her virginity to the act she filed suit against) touching her is allowed, and her reactions to the touch are valid evidence in court. Women are considered duplicitous enough to submit themselves to this, however, so this harsh treatment is considered appropriate, and she will find herself spat upon and declared a liar as she awaits her trial - including by other women.
I'm sure you can imagine the rest. The trial itself is grueling, and the opponents' lawyers may touch her and use her getting wet to prove their point. She will likely have to prove that she didn't get wet, as arousal is consent. Women are never allowed to study law, so they rarely know the details of this.
Unless she clears her name, the outcome is likely to result in her slavery.

>>11262434
>>11262495
I definitely agree that sex work should be the "third option". It's not slavery, but there are few protections, and in practice law enforcement and the courts rarely care about complaints from street walkers. This means if a man wants to satisfy his more disgusting or aggressive fetishes, he uses whores, since society raises men to have at least SOME respect for women who they actually marry.
While sexual harassment is the norm at work, and a woman's treatment and career prospects are going to vary depending on how much she's willing to debase herself, there's still a difference between dressing sluttily and getting groped, or sucking a dick, and being a full blown prostitute.
Maybe it's a double standard, where it's seen as normal, and even perhaps encouraged for unmarried men to "practice" with whores. Outside of fumbling early sexual encounters, an unmarried man's options are forcing one of his coworkers under his desk or hiring a prostitute. In this way ladies of the night are a bit better liked than other free women, but only because they rarely have limits, there's absolutely no respect here.
That lack of respect is the other side of the coin, prostitution reinforces societies beliefs that a woman's body is more valuable than her mind, and that without proper male guidance all women are naturally whores.
Any security they get is outside of the law, maybe the unicorn scenario where a woman earns enough to serve as a madame, or a man who offers "protection" as a pimp, a restaurant whose waitresses are obviously servicing customers. Each of these only gives so much safety however, and all come with a(literal) cost, meaning what used to be her only source of untouchable income now has her paying dues.
I imagine even married men would get a societal pass to "slum it" every once in a while, even if it's seen as something you don't publicly talk about. After all, what's his wife gonna do? Leave and lose everything?

>>11264544
>>11264564
I really like the legal trial idea. Having "protection" against sexual assault is one of the many ways free women are "privileged". Slaves don't get such security, it would be laughable, a slave can't be raped, she doesn't have bodily autonomy. If a guard or taskmaster forces himself on a slave, that's just a perk of the job, and if a random man does it, the worst he might get is a fine for interrupting her work(maybe extra if he damaged her to the point she can't perform her duties)
Plus, men would want to know there are laws to ensure their wives are safe from unwanted attention.
There could be two legal codes for it, there's rape by real world definitions, which like you said is almost impossible to prove since arousal is consent. It's a grueling, humiliating and likely painful experience to try and go to court for a woman, one that almost always ends with her either enslaved or MUCH further in debt than she was prior, plus her sponsor is STRONGLY encouraged to try and correct her behavior with increased discipline and her job might choose to add things like bondage uninform rules and unpaid overtime to make up for the days she missed while in the stocks.
The other kind of rape is when a man's wife is sexually assaulted, and this kind is taken much more seriously. The man himself will be the one doing most of the arguing, and the court will usually side with him if he says he wants his wife to be his alone. Businesses that continue to force married women to serve sexually(without her husband's permission, since some men don't care if she's sucking dick or giving a handy) can be heavily fined, and since a married woman's contract is between her employer and her husband, restricting her career because she doesn't put out can get a business in trouble for essentially defrauding a man.
Men who rape married women are actually likely to see punishment, especially since there's the obvious, but unspoken reality that he could have picked anyone else

>>11264591
>free women are "privileged". Slaves don't get such security
Absolutely. Like you said, if a wife gets raped, the husband will likely make the case, and slaves do not have the right to consent in the first place.

>rape by real world definitions
>further in debt
There's the rub.
Women are not educated on the legal system. They would have seen framed women before, but framed women are usually kept gagged (so as not to sully the reputation of men) and as such most women don't understand what it means to accuse a man other than to know about framing as a way to help vindicate her case.
After filing her case, she will find out many things she had no knowledge of, such as that she may spend months restrained in the stockade while the man she accused is allowed to roam free on his own recognizance. She may find out that she will receive no legal representation whatsoever. She may find out that framing begins immediately, rather than being a later part of the process. She may find out that regardless of the outcome of her case, her debt's accrual will not pause and she will likely be assigned a second, lower-skilled job (such as food service or retail) even if she's successful to help cover the difference.
Day after day after day she will endure the torment, knowing that the only ways out are winning her case or admitting to having lied (and enduring the subsequent punishment). She will serve as a reminder to other women to remember their place.

>>11264047
>>11264062
>women breeding to keep their intelligence implants running
If it's a kind of cyberpunk setting here then sweeten the deal with a kind of Company town/Orphanage system.
Daughters born to dedicated breeders are raised in the system and funneled into processing as a life path.
So there's no shortage of women to implant and feed the demands for "Beast" types, bimbos and etc.

>>11264047
>Beast
>Normally used for construction, demolition, or police work.
>Occasionally used for "emergency breeding."
Should also include farm work, replacing the machinery, beasts of burden and other labor intensive work on the farm.
As for breeding them, maybe it's the first step to converting these women into dairy Hucows.
Less about optimizing them for breeding but it's just to get the milk going

>>11264576
>should be the "third option". It's not slavery, but there are few protection
>raises men to have at least SOME respect for women who they actually marry
With slaves being a thing, free women willingly choosing to be prostitutes is seen in a /d/egenerate good thing.
Women's place is serving men, if they choose prostitution over failing to pay their debts and getting enslaved.
Then at least these women know their place instead of slave women who were too stubborn.
Thus the truly horrendous treatment is reserved for slaves.

>men would get a societal pass to "slum it" every once in a while
>After all, what's his wife gonna do?
An even more lewd/misogynist is simply having rules of sexual exclusivity only applying to a man's wife(or wives).
It's the norm for men to sleep with whores and even father a few bastard daughters.
Wives just see it as "boys being boys", she's has his legitimate heirs anyways and has legal protections of being married.
Could also be a deeply ingrained /d/ culture of cuckqueening for married women.

>>11264602
>>11264591
>"protection" against sexual assault, But in reality it's only married women
On the topic of "consent" it might well just be outright rape culture that when applied to unmarried women it's open season.
Legal system is against them, so women are forced into accepting that this is how men with "use" them.
So eventually they accept harassment at work or become prostitutes, at least they're getting paid for it.
Better then going against your rapist and getting further into debt.
And as a added bonus there's just no concept of marital rape, if she's one of your wives then she's all yours.

>>11264576
Exactly. Prostitutes aren't slaves - but they're also not truly "free" women.
Getting wet is, in a court of law, considered to be consent, so how do you think a court would handle a prostitute who claimed that she was raped? In practice it's almost impossible for a prostitute to prove any sort of sexual assault, including acts she didn't consent to. While there are streetwalkers who try to make it on their own, most prostitutes will need to find a pimp - and at that point, they're giving up freedom once again.
In practice, prostitution is for those who can't make it as OLs.

>>11263159
>Being kind/gentle to his woman opens MC up to "moral corruption" from his woman.
that is pretty funny, a girl being oppressed for so long that when faced with kindness she obviously feels warmth and happiness but also thinks their saviour is too naive or something so the girl convinces her own saviour to oppress her because that's what's normal and what she's comfortable with

>>11266092
>feels warmth and happiness
>girl convinces her own saviour to oppress her because that's what's normal and what she's comfortable with
Could go deeper then that, she's been a slave for so long she can't imagine being free.
Once Master brought up the idea of freeing her and she was terrified that meant being thrown out.
So instead she's even more clingily than before, there's just an engrained fear of being responsible for her own life.
Given that "free" women are still mistreated, just slaves get the worst of it.
All the more reasons to expand the MC harem

>>11264757
>>11265794
>choosing to be prostitutes is seen in a /d/egenerate good thing
>prostitution is for those who can't make it
I honestly think both of these can kind of work together. A woman who chooses, or "chooses" to go into prostitution is seen as above slaves, because everyone and everything is seen as above slaves. At the same time it's almost accepting defeat, very few men are going to want to wife up a prostitute, it's cheaper to just visit her and if you care about exclusivity that ship has sailed.
I imagine that growing up the justification given for why girls are treated harsher, and continue to be for their entire lives is that its necessary motivation. Since sex work is pretty open, with many jobs in the service industry having some cross over with outright prostitution, it's just believed that women are horny mindless sluts unless forced to stay focused.
I like the idea that it's the goal is meant to be getting a successful job and getting married, with the pipe dream being entering into a marriage as an almost equal partner because of personal success. That's impossible of course, but it makes it so when a woman eventually is broken down by work, her only hopes are to seduce a man and hope he's kind to her, or "Embrace her nature" and become a whore.
There would also be a lot of crossover between married and unmarried working women, since most women continue to work, they just get better hours, have their punishments handled by their husband and are spared the worst of the sexual harassment at work. Plus they get active sex lives, unless their husband gets bored and decides prostitutes are more fun, but most still get the bulk of their husbands attention, plus the protections he offers and the fulfillment of having his children, which of course is made to be the ultimate goal for all women through their upbringing

>>11266679
>husband gets bored and decides prostitutes are more fun
Could also have maids and concubines being part of this as rules of exclusivity only apply to married women, not her husband.
Wealthy men that can afford this often have their wives as the #2 to run the household, managing both slave and free women.
So even if a woman fails to get married at least she can hope for a way of of the wagie grind.
Granted they are still treated like whores as "entertaining" guests is a big part of their duties.

>pipe dream being entering into a marriage as an almost equal partner
Another aspect to that is free women keeping each other down.
Office politics have women pushing others into prostitution, to eliminate the women competing for marriage.
Brothel madams help her pimp to keep the whores in line, so it's common for brothels to be run by a husband and wife.
Climbing the ranks as a woman often means fucking over other women, there's no sisterhood only submission to men.

>>11264723
I'm thinking that beast-women only get sent to the dairy/breeding farm after they've completed a decade of service. Let's try to avoid the old ideas of hucow/minotauress.
Bovinification can happen to any type of processed female but each type undergo it differently... I'm not sure how, though.

>>11264047
>example of a beast:
Hera Williams (daughter of >>11264067) decided to spite her mother and embrace the strength of flesh. She can bench press 12 times her own weight. She is fully fluent in beast sign language, having studied and practiced it for years before her processing. She is currently a top player in the CuntBall XL leagues and posters of her are common in most athletic girls rooms. Her popularity off the field has lead to an increased demand for beastly girls, but not enough to affect vital industries.

Why do you want to share your women with other men though? I bet none of you want to have your car driven by other people

>>11266940
>Why do you want to share your women with other men though?
Sexual exclusivity is between men and their wives (there's Polygamy too).
Underneath those women are all the others, the patriarchy values women for sex, breeding and submission
So these other women are just filling their natural role of being passed arround while making bastard daughters.
It disempowers women by flooding the sexual market place.

>>11266898
Beast women have other types being used to serve men.
Like Hounds that are given canine traits like enhanced speed, Smell, etc.
And besides specific animal traits beast women will go into heat, dumbing them down even further.

>>11266905
>top player in the CuntBall XL leagues
>lead to an increased demand for beastly girls
There's the option of running pet shows but for women, Bitch shows!
It's an opportunity to show off the latest tech in female augmentation, best place to sell boutique slaves, etc.
Maybe even hosting fan fuck events for women like Hera

>>11266829
>wives as the #2 to run the household, managing both slave and free women
I think we should decide on the rules for polygamy. Personally I like the idea that even in married life there's are hierarchies, but I usually imagine myself in a somewhat similar situation to my real life, so I like to think about what life is like for the middle class.
I like that almost all women will continue to work, even after marriage, and perhaps that's part of the aforementioned hierarchy. At the top are women married to men rich enough to only want them for them(or more likely their bodies and skills in bed), some are just sex slaves essentially(though of course they aren't legally slaves) others become harem middle managers.
Not only is there no success without men, it's not even the independent career success they were raised to believe read possible.
Maybe the brothel madame is married to a man who sponsors unmarried women, creating a direct pipeline where he can ramp up their rent, or capitalize on a woman having a bad week and his wife can offer a "solution"
Could even say that middle and lower class men tend to use brothels to almost simulate the experience of owning a harem, obviously less exclusive, but society expects men to have no shortage of sexual options. This leads to most prostitutes being seen as "lower class" thing, further harming their chances at any respectability.
So we have women eagerly crushing their rivals in the hopes of reaching that mythical happy ending. Married women in rich households being Head Girl type harem harpies, and those in more standard situations being afraid enough of their husband leaving her that they constantly put down other women. The whole thing is crabs in a barrel and the only way "out" of the rat race is getting lucky with a kind hearted husband, or becoming a prostitute, and entering and entirely different, just as cutthroat environment.

>>11267521
>Married women in rich households being Head Girl type harem harpies
>even in married life there's are hierarchies
Society has "free" women from wealthy families given even less freedom in this regard as it's mostly arranged marriages.
It gatekeeps lower status women from ever getting their dream life of being at the top of a harem, at best she's a favorite fuck toy.
Women at the top still have to deal with harem politics, men usually marry women from multiple other wealthy families or marry 2-3 sisters at a time.
All done to prevent a single woman from ever getting too much power in the harem.

>society expects men to have no shortage of sexual options
>prostitutes being seen as "lower class" thing
There's a Class divide in having whores too, Upper class has maids getting fucked n bred by visitors.
Displaying wealth through abundance of sexual access. While prostitutes that service the public is reserved for the lower/middle class.
And of course escorts are a middle class larp at being wealthy.

>>11266905
>>11267011
>Cuntball Explained
Bimbos and Breeders are legally barred from playing. Unprocessed and young bionic women can play in the standard league. The XL league is for beast and older bionic women. The sport is rough, similar to rugby or north american football and injuries are common. Standard league pays as well as being married to a lower class man whereas XL is akin to being the favored concubine of a CEO. These conditions ensures that there's always a steady stream of women ready to play but also a high rate of forced retirement or upgrades. Players wear padded bodysuits that exaggerate their curves and sleek helmets. Living costs (medical care, housing, fashion) escalate with a players pay check, forcing them to take up prostitution, exploitive sponsorship deals, and bribes.

>Typical career path for an unprocessed player:
>Fuck you society, I'm not getting processed
>I'm going to be the best cuntball player and live independently
>oh fuck my leg is shattered by a bribed player
Then they go one of two ways:
>fuck it, I'll get processed into a servant who gets to sit on her ass and get fucked
>Fuck it, I'm doubling down and becoming a servant who can shrug off these injuries and play in the XL

A smart woman knows how to turn a successful athletic career into a happier life. Typically she'll opt in for beast, then use the increased funds to attend high class events. There she meets a lot of prospective husbands. She'll either get married to a rich man or get hired as his bodyguard. Retire from cuntball and become a milf who can carry all her kids simultaneously and easily.