Thread dedicated to males with big voluptuous butts and thighs.

Post for anons that want to make their own butt larger.

Glute focused workout recommended by one anon:
>Day A
Low-bar Squats
Hip-Thrusts
Abductions (and adductions if you want some inner thigh)
>Day B
RDL
Seated Good-Mornings
Abductions (and adductions if you want some inner thigh)
(sets and reps dependent on need)
>I'd recommend adding some hip-thrusts to your routine, you can do them one-legged for difficulty. I'd also consider some seated good-mornings (you could hold the weight like an RDL) where you focus on the stretched position by staying between 0 (horizontal) and 45 degrees or doing what people call one-half reps where you go all the way down, halfway up, back down, all the way up. If not seated good-mornings a pump squat would also work for this
>And you could do standing good-mornings if you wanted hamstrings, but seated ones are a unique way of isolating the glutes in the stretched positions which will grow them different to any other workout.

Link to that Korean study about herbal extracts which are supposed to increase amount of fat in the applied region that some anons are testing
https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO201211666470260.pdf

Just wanted to say that I'm the straightest man in the world and every picture posted here are of biological females and I am going to cum to every single one of them and add them to my harem

What do we think about facesitting?

Can someone help me find who is this character?

>>11263623
It's hot and under appreciated. More artists should draw fat boy asses smothering someone's face or spreading their cheeks to lick the like their ass

>>11264159

>>11264161

>>11264162

>>11263437
I wish I had a body like this so bad

Femboys, but with the asses of overweight black women.

>>11264167
I wish I were that chair

>>11263436 (OP)

>>11264282
Does such a thing exist irl?

>>11264504

Are giant boys with REALLY big butts allowed?

>>11264511
Ça sent le roquefort

So if saw palmetto & estrogen creams won't help raise estrogen levels to help butt growth, is there any alternative option that does?

>>11265083
Pioglitazone, maybe? Trannies use it to help fat redistribution and I believe it still works even if you have a normal male hormonal profile. There's a doctor who's famous for treating trannies (Will Powers) who is apparently taking it himself for belly flattening purposes, but he is a bit of a mad scientist type.

>>11265106
Can apparently increase risk of bladder cancer though.

>>11265083
An estrogen cream may be able to raise estrogen levels, as they are intended for women with low estrogen. It just may need to be used in a spot more likely to absorb it since I think they are meant to be applied to the vagina. Typically phytoestrogens aren't bioavailable so they will demasculinise rather than feminise because the phytoestrogens will inhibit testosterone production. Think the basedboy ('soiboy' if that gets filtered) who isn't feminine but is demasculinised due to the phytoestrogens in basedabean (soi bean) products.

>>11263453
>https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO201211666470260.pdf
are you sure this is the correct link? that says it is for women's breasts (also its mostly in korean)

>>11265476
It is in Korean and is on women's breasts. People just wanted to try if the fat increase could also work on other body parts or of the growth in the study was limited to breasts.
Chances are it's not going to be effective, but if it is at all it would be used along with resistance training for a bit more size and a less defined appearance.

>>11264577
I think it won't hurt anyone, just don't make this thread look like it is about giants.
>>11266856
With pictures please! \(=o = )

>>11267842
I saved it from page 10,pipe down

Original

Tell me what you think about it

We need Family Guy's Chris' Math Teacher. https://youtu.be/vxh5e2X0NnM?si=r3mD_OrNYNa4KG1D

>>11268533
Good design, but you should work on more complex poses.

>>11263453
>>11265476
First test with the saw palmetto, I haven't measured the exact formula as I mixed it before each application:
- 1 pump of hand sanitizer
- 4 pumps of basic moisturiser
- 1 drop of a pure vitamin E oil
- 10 drops of a pure saw palmetto extract
After having a shower I used a derma roller and then applied the cream and wrapped it in cling wrap and then slept with it on (it often slipped down my thigh as I slept which could explain the results)
I drew marks with permanent marker to try and get an accurate measurement before and after, I measured the mid thigh and upper thigh (half way between the middle and the pelvis) and applied the derma roller, cream, and cling wrap a couple inches above and below where I measured.
First day 30th March, last day 6th April (8 days of use) and measured on the 9th (didn't want to measure on a gym day so I waited):

March 30th
Treated : upper 73.5cm, middle 61.5cm
Untreated: upper 73.5cm, middle 62.5cm
April 9th
Treated: upper 73cm, middle 64.0cm
Untreated: upper 73.5cm, lower 62.0cm
(Rounded to the nearest 0.5cm)

So it does look like there was some difference and I wonder if because it kept sliding down my thigh is the reason only the middle seemed to grow. Of course it could all be measurement error at such a small difference and I can't see or feel any difference (which could be because it's so subtle). I realise my methodology is a bit poor so I wanted to try again testing on my other leg but using a treatment on both (one without the saw palmetto) to make sure it isn't just inflammation from the skin being irritated (as it did always sting a little after applying).

>>11269707 cont.
Actually, there may be a difference I've noticed. It does feel like my treated leg is a bet fatter when I fully bend my knees and press me calves to my thighs. I could be imagining this, or it could be that most the growth was on my hamstring area as that's the fattiest area of my thighs. There's not much fat on my quads and in theory the fat growth works by multiplying fat cells (and I've been overeating a bit, so my body has not shortage of calories to build more fat with)

After all you can get bigger butt with just getting fatter. it is not an option for everyone of course as it wouldn't give you only fat butt but also the upper half of the body too, but it is not uncommon for characters on pictures in this thread to be chubbies in some degree.
But this is not for everyone, as I already said. Pounpondcake comes to mind as a good example of such body irl.

>>11265083
-----> >>11269978
Shit, I meant to reply but I accidentally deleted the first line, sorry.

>>11269707
>>11269713
I should've mentioned before that when I was testing saw palmetto, to properly measure without worrying much about doing it wrong, I used not a ruler but a simple thread. I was encircling my thigh on each measuring point with a separate thread without it digging into a skin and with a length that would barely be enough for both ends to meet, then I just put them away and after some time checked if got bigger or not. Since my thigh didn't got bigger I didn't needed to make a new ones to measure the difference.
>10 drops of a pure saw palmetto extract
Are you sure this is enough? Korean article is confusing but it is likely that there was used 10 mg per application. Depending on if you kept the pills intact or not it would be easier to use the right dosage, I would suggest use 20 mg just to be sure but I am not a scientist nor do I know anything.
>it often slipped down my thigh as I slept
Yeah, happened to me too. Maybe try duct tape to keep cling wrap in place. And be careful with derma roller, I might've scarred myself a little when I pushed it too hard.
>so I wanted to try again testing on my other leg
Maybe keep to the same? It would be much more visible if the same leg kept growing. On the other hand, fat growth induced by saw palmetto may happen to be limited and it won't grow any further than a certain amount of volume, who knows.

>>11269978
>>11269983
>>11269998
Think I'm in love. I'm a sucker for blue skin and the design is just so unique. Could easily be a fae, a god or an alien. Either way that ass is getting worshiped.

>>11270020
The character is Prince Jess Baptiste VI or just Fu from No More Heroes 3.The game starts with him invading the Earth to meet Damon (he can be seen on the second picture) as he promised because he loves him.
I like this character a lot but there is not so much content featuring him because the game is niche. On the other hand, on every single picture of him on r34 he has a giant ass.

>>11270118
A princely ass. A giant ass so good it turns any human into a species traitor. Thanks for clarifying.

>>11269978
If using phytoestrogens actually increases the amount of fat cells in an applied area, this could mean that one can do a sort of bulk and cut to force the ass to keep growing without getting fatter because fat cells are actually permanent and just shrink when they get depleted (this is why some people get liposuction as it can be the only way to remove love handles if they used to be really fat)
So something like eating a calorie surplus while for a couple weeks while applying the treatment, then a deficit for a couple weeks to go back to normal, or maybe it could just be applied everyday when one is doing a workout routine with a caloric surplus.

>>11269998
I measured with a cloth tape measure, but firm upon the skin but not digging in because that's the fat being displaced and the fat is what I am measuring
>Are you sure this is enough?
I think so. Next test I'll actually measure out a full mixture a full mixture, but testing the volume now 10 drops is roughly 0.2ml
1ml = 1g (for water, a bit less for oil) and 0.2ml = 200mg
So if 10mg is correct for how much they used, I was using about 20x the dose (although it was applied over a much larger areas, so maybe 5x the dose)
>Maybe try duct tape
Since I'll be doing both legs, I'm gonna apply it to my butt also and I'll then need to wrap the cling wrap form thigh to butt/hip to other thigh, which should keep it in place
>Maybe keep to the same?
I want to switch to even it and to treat this as a fresh subject. I'll run the test about the same length and if it appears to work I'll keep applying it to my butt until I run out (probably have about 6 months worth) to see if perpetual and visible growth is possible

>>11270259
This talk of getting fat butts makes me wonder if any irl femboys actually did this. I saw pictures of boys with huge asses, but i always assumed they natural/responded super well to squats and belt squats.

>>11270429
Assbro was king

>>11270259
>(it was applied over a much larger areas, so maybe 5x the dose)
Yeah I wanted to say earlier about the surface of thigh being larger than boobs 2,5x or 3x but I always forgot.
>I want to switch to even it and to treat this as a fresh subject.
Ok. This means we can see if the first leg is going to return back to normal over time and if it will retain some growth or loose it completely. In the study saw palmetto was applied for 3 days and volume was increasing for about 5 days and after 11th day it started to decrease, but on 21th day it was slightly larger than day 0. So, given that you were applying it for 8 days, expect the volume to decrease somewhere around 17 of April.

I had some problems to solve again but now I have a free time, so I'm going to buy saw palmetto again soon. But now in liquid form.

>>11270429
Probably not. The chances are they just did exercises focused on butt, had good genetics and some amount of fat and some probably were taking hormones. reading scientific articles is a niche hobby, you know, and most search results will lead you to yet another magical pill or cream that is as beneficial as a snake oil anyway. I don't have an idea how that anon found this article initially.

>>11269694
Sure thing. I just recently found a symmetry tool so I wanted to try it out as I was trying to study different body proportions. This isn't a named character but a placeholder, I just added colors and some details so I can post it somewhere, I don't like very simple anime faces but I quickly did it so I won't need to actually put some effort to draw face the way I usually do.

>>11270467
>Yeah I wanted to say earlier about the surface of thigh being larger than boobs 2,5x or 3x but I always forgot.
If it's 10mg for 1 breast, then it'd probably have been close to1-2×, but if it was 10mg for both breasts it'd be 3-5× the dose
>This means we can see if the first leg is going to return back to normal over time
I'm going to wait a week or two before trying again because I want to see if it'll return to normal and don't want to interfere with using it as the control (i.e. applying the treatment sans saw palmetto to check it's not just inflammation from the treatment)
>buy saw palmetto again soon
You could try some other products with phytoestrogens if they are easier to come by, although the issue I've noticed with estorgen creams is they don't seem to tell you the exact dose

>>11271005
>If it's 10mg for 1 breast, then it'd probably have been close to1-2×, but if it was 10mg for both breasts it'd be 3-5× the dose
I don't think math and geometry works this way. Whatever, I looked for saw palmetto packed in bottles with a dropper lid, and they always print how much mg of extract is in each drop. You should look there to know what the dosage is, as it is accurate compared to trying to calculating it from densities of abstract liquids.
>I'm going to wait a week or two before trying again because I want to see if it'll return to normal
Okay, my shipping should come around that time too.
>You could try some other products with phytoestrogens if they are easier to come by, although the issue I've noticed with estorgen creams is they don't seem to tell you the exact dose
While I can do this, I better finish with testing saw palmetto first. There is a study that supports that it at least may work, while with estrogen creams it will be a completely blind experimentation.

>>11271154
>I don't think math and geometry works this way
It's a rough estimate of areas and the numbers are probably wrong, but the math checks out according to this informative diagram I have drawn.
>and they always print how much mg of extract is in each drop
The one I bought doesn't have a dropper, it just says it's 90-95% pure which I assume may have something to do with not wanting to recommend a dose

>>11267790
Yum

>>11264167
>>11264282
Impossibly huge boy butts bring me so much joy...

>>11272694
Sad they are not possible irl...

I've been doing exercises mentioned in this post >>11263453 and I wanted to know other people opinion if they were trying them too. When I do hip-thrusts or abductions I feel how muscles in my butt work and get tired but when I do low-bar squats, Romanian dead lifts or seated good-mornings I do not feel that. Squats and dead lifts result in my legs getting tired and seated good-mornings result in my lower back getting tired. I'm not trying to stand against an army of professional trainers and scientists that say that squats train muscles in the butt but I can't understand why I don't feel it then. Probably I'm just doing these exercises wrong because it couldn't be that my muscles there are so strong that they do not become tired at all.

>>11273973
It could just be that the glutes are relatively strong compared to all the other muscles. I rarely feel compound workouts in my glutes despite them being the primary muscle used.
When doing squats you want the bar in a low position (resting long your rear delts and shoulder blades, look up how to do a low bar squat) as it'll force you to lean forwards which will both stretch the glute and put more load on it. You also want your feet at an angle that your knees go out enough for your chest to fit in between your knees to not take the load off your glute at the bottom of the rep, and pause there for 2 seconds (you may need to work on your flexibility as you don't want your lower back to round or knees to move inwards)
The RDL is more hamstring focused, but if you want it more for glutes you can bend the knees bit more
The seated good-morning you could do reps where you stay below 45 degrees (not sitting up all the way). You could do something similar with a lighter squat (you should be doing fairly heavy for the typical squat) where you do one-and-a-half reps, going slowly down, halfway up, and then slowly back down again before coming all the way up.

Moving slowly on the decent should be the priority for all these workouts. Tension while lengthening a muscle tends to better for growth. Another reason you want to make sure your muscles are flexible, avoiding them taking tension off the other muscles.

Thanks for the information.

4chan is working, finally

I want a titanically massive ass and I am willing to do all the work that goes into have an utterly gigantic shelf and colossal thighs

>>11275579
Well, people here had and still having a discussion about gaining volume and so far we know that there are a few methods. The most straightforward way would be going to a plastic surgeon and getting some sort of a lipofilling surgery like a Brazilian Butt Lift or just implants. But not everyone has the money to do this, so you can go to the gym and/or simply gain weight. And anons are still experimenting with saw palmetto extract so we don't know if it works or not for sure yet.

Thickman

>>11263453
will this work if i'm a skinny twink, or do i need some mass to work with?

>>11276260
You need mass. Eat a protein rich diet and have a calorie surplus while routinely working out.

>>11275687
Real butts feel and look better than fake ones IMO
>>11276260
No reason working out wouldn't work if you're skinny. You just need to eat a little more calories (100-200 calories above what you burn based on basal metabolic rate and activity level) and protein (1-1.5 g per kg of your bodyweight)
Evidence for treatments to increase fat remains to be seen

The basics of working out:
- a rep is the movement of the workout (eg 1 rep of bicep curls is lifting the dumbbell up and down)
- a set is the amount of reps you do in a row before having a short rest (usually rests are about 1-2 minute, unless you're doing things super sets where you do a different workout or drop sets where you lower the weight)

- sets should be done to failure, as in until you can't lift the weight again with the proper form (you can stop 1 rep before failure for lower rep sets)
- 5-30 rep sets can increase muscle size, but lower rep sets will build more strength ie actual muscle fibers
- 10-15 sets for a muscle per week (for beginner)
- 3-10 sets for a muscle in a single day for most effective growth stimulation
- a good workout should have full range of motion, and there is evidence to suggest workouts that fully lengthen a muscle while under load will grow more of the muscle (meaning shortened training will only grow the upper part of the muscle which can be useful for targeting certain parts, like hip thrusts for a rounder butt)

There are a lot decent workouts you can do with just bodyweight. With resistance bands and/or a variable dumbbell or two you can pretty much train any muscle you want

>>11269998
More of this alien.
>>11276772
>Real butts feel and look better than fake ones IMO
I would agree but I can enjoy the fake ones too. Although I'm not a biggest fan of implants and the fact that they can flip upside-down isn't a pleasant thing either. When the fat get surgically transplanted to a certain spot it doesn't feel that fakey to me but still, yeah.
I feel that the only real advantage of surgery in our case may be that it can make hips look way wider, which can't be done otherwise because you can't train bone. We will always have a male-proportioned pelvis.

bump

>>11279823
What is this, a butt for ants?

>>11280271
Oops, it seems I didn't noticed that when I downloaded the image. I have a tiny old monitor.

>>11263436 (OP)
I wish I could just toggle on/off on having this build so I could envelop a girl's face between my fat cheeks and feel her grab them so she can dig out with her tongue, while I can then just jack off on her tits and then have nobody else be the wiser.

>>11280544
and then imagine being the one who facts at her face

>>11265083
estrogen + testosterone blocker you literally want to look female take the medication that alters your body to look female stupid. you don't have to call yourself a troon but you're wishing for a magic potion to give you everything you want and it already exists and you won't take it because you're a retard frightened of being a tranny, which is completely fair, but still. just fucking take the girl medicine and whatever effects you don't like deal with them when they come. if you don't want titties save up for kybella/lipo/full on surgery. but you're not getting the body you want without doing the only thing that actually works. there is no magic herb, no secret exercise that's just being gatekept from you. it's not a secret what will feminize you in exactly the ways you want

>>11280594
nta but this decision wouldn't be that hard if it didn't affected the brain.

>>11280564

>>11281062

>>11280919
And make pp small and soft and less cum

>>11168803 any updates on this anon's progress?

>>11281653
Do you really believe subliminals can work? It is like lying on the bed doing nothing all day and imagining getting stronger and then actually somehow becoming jacked because of it. I will eat my shoe and take my words back if they work.

How many of you guys are straight? Or bisexual but leaning more towards women?

>>11281789

I fucking love asses.

>>11281786
NTA, but my guess is all it's capable of doing is convincing you it's working. Basically like hypnotism

>>11282413

Finally, my package with saw palmetto arrived and I can continue the experiment after failing with the powder version of it.
On the box it is written that one drop is 0.7ml in volume and amount of extract is 670mg. Which is strange because all the other ones had below 200mg of extract in one drop, but I still chose to buy this one. Because of that, I wonder how much I should add to mixture, because it is times more than how much was in the study and the fact that surface of the thigh is larger than of the boobs doesn't equate it. I guess I should try just 1 drop first and increase the dosage if it won't work.

>>11269707
Are you still here?

>>11282415
yeah there's no way those subliminals work on their own, but maybe they could psyche me into actually working out, having a better diet, and doing everything else to aquire an ass and having betetr skincare

>>11281788
I'm bi and like feminine appearances more, but I really like cock. Though I do like traditional looking guys too

>>11282416
I'm still here, just going to start mine today. I made up my mixture yesterday and took some measurements. To get a bit more accuracy drew lines either side the cloth tape measure, measuring by sitting on the floor so I can line up the tape on the back of my leg using the side line more easily.

>one drop is 0.7ml
I assume you mean one eye-dropper full. I measured the 10 drops from mine at 0.25ml, and when I such up as much as I can with an eyedropper it's about 0.75ml

I roughly quadrupled the potency of my mixture because I am making it in larger batches rather than each time I ise it, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't getting not enough.

My original mixture was:
0.25 ml saw palmetto (10 drops)
3.5 ml hand sanitiser (1 pump)
12 ml moisturiser (4 pumps)
0.05 ml vitamin E oil (1 drop)

But the new mixture I'm going to try is
3 ml Saw palmetto
11 ml hand sanitiser (3 pumps)
36 ml moisturiser (12 pumps)
0.2 ml vitamin E (4 drops)

So the amount of saw palmetto I use was increased by about 4 times as you can see, and I increased the volume 3 times so it would be a few days worth. I'll make a bigger batch if the increased saw palmetto doesn't seem to cause issues.

Again, my method is going to be applying it on the top half of my thigh and my butt. I'm going to apply just mixture without the saw palmetto to the other leg as a control. Measurements have my legs back to the same size, and I'm going to measure each day before I apply it to try and get more accurate numbers. After the 10 days of testing on my thighs I'm going to keep using it just on my butt (if I have any left) until I run out still measuring my legs as well to see the drop off rate

The biggest flaw in my plan may be that I've also been trying to lose weight. Last time I'd been over eating and gaining weight (which is why I now need to lose it) which could have been why the result were what they were, but maybe not since thigh size are the same again

>>11282752
Interesting.

>>11282752
Nice. I asked because it was 7th of May and I thought you would post something at least on the 30th of April. You had a significant amount of time since your previous post, so I was wondering if you did something.
>I assume you mean one eye-dropper full.
Nah, the dropper is just that big.
>I roughly quadrupled the potency of my mixture
I don't understand why you would want to do that, given that previous mixture was working, 2cm increase won't appear out of nowhere, but okay. Be careful.
In my opinion there might be a threshold of how much extract can be applied before its presumed effectiveness will stop increasing, so bathing in saw palmetto won't be viable.
>but maybe not since thigh size are the same again
As I said earlier, size was dropping in the study after a certain amount of days so it is logical that it is just how saw palmetto works.

Also try taking photos. I'm not asking to post them here, just do it so you can also compare the visual difference yourself if there would be any.

I'm going to start today too because no other ideas about the dosage were posted. I have to take measures and all so I will make a proper post later.

>>11283090
>I don't understand why you would want to do that
I did it because I intend to apply it more thinly than I did before. It often felt it was too much and made the cling wrap slide a lot. I want to use as little as possible to just put a thin layer over my thigh and butt, but I'll use an eye-dropper to measure the amount in order to calculate I'm getting at least the same amount and at most two times the amount.
I also wasn't keeping it refrigerated, so I'm concerned it may have oxidised a bit and just want to make sure it's still good.

>Also try taking photos
Yeah, I planned to take some since I want to know if it'll present and visible differences

Legs too?

So, a proper post. Start of this >>11283090
0,7ml of saw palmetto mixed with 2ml of baby oil (has vitamin E). I roll the derma roller on my thigh, then apply saw palmetto all around it using the same cling wrap that will be later used to wrap my leg.

Testing on the left leg. I've made 3 measurement points instead of 4 this time but they are closer to the center. Measurements in cm:
Left
34,2
40,3
43,8

Right
34,3
40,9
45,0
>>11283425
I think this counts.

Need to breed big booty white bois

>>11283478
Do you find it stings a little after you wrap it?
I don't know if I'm just using the derma roller too much/hard or if it's the alcohol from the hand sanitiser

>>11284683
It stings a little but at the moment I'm applying it and when I wrap it it last for about 5-10 minutes maybe.
If you think about it, even water stings if it poured onto an open wound, so this is not really unexpected for saw palmetto to sting.

>>11284683
Oh, I forgot to say about derma roller. I might not used it hard enough on certain places so it didn't stung there and I think it is not good. I tried to use derma roller on my hand the other day and it there was no stinging sensation after despite that I tried to roll quite hard.

>>11284683
Nah, forget these >>11285041 >>11285047, it is actually because of the derma roller. I was misinterpreting the cause of stinging.

He needs milking

>>11286172
And a rimming. That hole looks like some fine dining, good lord!

>>11263453
Btw, just wanted to share that this workout does the job. I dunno about the glutes, because I didn't measured them and it is hard, but my thighs became thicker, their circumference increased by 3 cm after a month of not the most strict following of the schedule, so, butt should be bigger too.

I am unbelievably hard right now.
I wish these guys existed Irl.

>>11286328
Is this link still relevant? Because it's been posted here before:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hflWs_SzJDraG4JhotQBDPy3CfyyC0N_X6GcyF39ca4/edit?pli=1&gid=847032403#gid=847032403

>>11286421
More or less
I've wanted to make it more easily consumable, because as it is it's a bit complicated and maybe rather obtuse. I've just not gotten around to it because when I have the motivation to do something I do things more productive, and when I don't I do nothing

I was on board until the facesitting stuff. That's when the thread became gay.

>>11286474
I regret to inform you that it was always gay.

>>11286442
Does it jiggle with each step now?

>>11286513
Muscle doesn't jiggle much

>>11286557
What about the softness around the muscle?

>>11286623
It does a bit. If the saw palmetto works it may become more noticeable.

>>11286421
Well, any workout is better than not doing anything, so it is, I guess.
It is more of a question about what is more effective and I cannot answer that because I don't have much knowledge in this area or it is a question about which exercises are more comfortable to you. Personally, I hate squats for example, they are boring, lame and my head starts to spin and I see drifting stars in my eyes if I take too much weight.

>>11286673
> and my head starts to spin and I see drifting stars in my eyes if I take too much weight
It shouldn't, unless you have a disability or some sort. Sounds to me like you may have high blood pressure, which could also be localised to you head due to tight neck muscles. Another likely cause is a nerve issue, like pinching due to bad posture or disk bulging. I've had both of these issues and once resolved I have no doing even a 1 rep max on squats.

>>11263500
Kitsune rimjob....

>>11287027
Just bros being bros, helping relieve each other in the least gay way possible

>Be a straight guy
>Hanging with my straight bro
>He's non-traditionally masculine
>Longish hair, slender features, soft hands, thick thighs, and a fat ass
>A true icon of the modern man
>We do straight things together all day, like working out
>He must of have seen a hot babe somewhere because I notice he's pitching a tent
>Ask bro if he needs me to help
>We're so straight we rarely touch our own dicks
>He eagerly accepts my offer
>Sooner it's dealt with, sooner we can get back to bro things
>Find a secluded restroom
>He faces the wall and drops his pants
>The musk of overpowering
>His big, round ass glistens in the light, coated in sweat
>We've not showered since we worked out earlier
>Balls are notably swollen, his erect cock throbbing against the back of his thigh where he'd tucked it
>He looks over his shoulder at me, spreading his cheeks to reveal his twitching hole
>We know it would be gay to talk right now, so he begs me to hurry up with his eyes alone
>Drop to my knees
>From a foot away I can feel the heat
>It's humid, intoxicating
>Gently I brush his hands aside, gripping his firm ass in my own
>His winking hole tightens with anticipation
>To acclimate him to by touch I first nuzzle my face into his taint
>It’s damp and salty with sweat
>Soft cheeks engulf my face
>The scent is so pervasive that I can smell it before I inhale
>I run my tongue along his pulsing taint to his anus
>It tastes faintly metallic as I trace the opening
>He moves his hips further back, meeting my lips with his sphincter
>We share a brief kiss, my lips against his twitching hole
>He needs it now
>Not wanting tease him any longer I force my tongue inside
>It's tight, warm, but it takes not much effort
>I alternate to work his hole as thoroughly as I can
>Massaging his hole with my tongue
>Sucking the rim with my lips
>A quivering sigh resonates through his body
>Already he's close to cumming

>>11287088
>My mouth is tired, but I know what will finish him
>Before he can realise I've removed a hand from his ass, I've thrust my fingers inside
>He yelps, surprise and ecstasy as my fingers thrust deep
>With practiced hands I hit is prostate
>As he tightens around my fingers, whole body tense, he cums
>Balls clench with each shot
>Long white streaks coat the back of his leg
>All the while I massage, stopping only when no more come out
>Slowly I pull my fingers from his hole
>His anus wraps weakly around them
>He's panting, trying to regain his composure
>Without thinking, I begin to lick the cum from his leg
>I don't know what came over me, maybe it was because my cock was aching hard (not, just sympathetic with my bro)
>I only realise I'm doing it when he asks me what I'm doing
>Every last drop of his cum is in my mouth, and I am stunned
>How could I do something this gay?
>I stumble over my words, saying it was because he was so quick I hadn't fully satisfied my oral fixation
>He Silences me with a finger to my lips
>It was gay to speak only when we were helping each over, but he wasn't...
>Unbuttoning my pants he releases my cock
>Then he straddles me
>Giving only a smile in response to my shock, he takes my cock inside him
>I've never been this deep
>Untreaded ground both physically and sexually
>He bounces up and down, ass thwapping my clothed thighs
>It feels good
>Too good
>I try to think of something else, but I'm too distracted by his face
>This is the first time seeing it while I'm inside him, the bliss
>The only thing I can do is move forwards
>Driving my hips into him I have my release
>Cum pumps deep inside him
>We're both moaning, breathing each other's breath
>Barely conscious in the throes of orgasm, I kiss him
>Deep and passionate, tongues intertwining
>Even as my lust fades we don't stop
>It's an attraction greater than physical
>Is this...
>I don't think about it
>Just think about kissing my bro
>We are both straight

Continuation of >>11283478
I measured my thigh today and so far there are no changes in circumference or it is very very small. I will report if it will become any bigger in the following days and if it won't then I will increase the dosage to 1,4ml starting from 17th of May because I want my leg to heal a bit after using derma roller.

>>11286679
>It shouldn't, unless you have a disability or some sort.
I probably do. It also happens when I do pullover on a bar and I noticed this when I was a teenager. I will deal with this someday.

>>11287088
>>11287120
Oh my God, that is some good writing.

>>11287630
Is it? I cringed pretty hard. But maybe I just don't get this "I'm totally not gay" subgenre of fiction.

>>11287681
Well that aspect was meant to be cringe, which doesn't mean I wrote it poorly. I was thinking about how >>11286474 was upset that facesitting made boy butt gay

>>11287419
I've not measured any significant difference either. I don't think I miss measured the first time, since I was measuring around the widest point I could find. So I wonder if losing weight (or at least not gaining it) is the problem, or if I messed up by making a bit batch because it had seperated when I refrigerated it so the amount could be completed off.

>It also happens when I do pullover on a bar
Pullover or pull-up? I've had issues with pullovers causing it too, which does make it seem your issue comes from high blood pressure. At least high around the brain. Do you have much salt, and how much caffeine do you drink? For good measure you probably should be doing some neck stretches and massages to lengthen and relax some the muscles

>>11287757
>Well that aspect was meant to be cringe
Oh, okay, then it is fair. And that means you've actually managed to achieve your goal. This was my only complaint about the text, while I appreciated everything else in it.
>So I wonder if losing weight (or at least not gaining it) is the problem
It is the most obvious thing that can cause affect measuring results. This is why I'm not doing workouts while testing saw palmetto. Btw you may know it but you shouldn't measure after doing workout for at least 2-3 hours, when exercising the blood is being pumped into the muscles which cause them to swell in size.
>Pullover or pull-up?
Pullover. I can make 25 pull-ups with no problems.
>Do you have much salt
Tons of it actually. I don't drink coffee at all but I add much salt to my food. I guess, I should avoid consuming it completely for a while?


Mating press is one of the best positions fr.

>>11288019
>Btw you may know it but you shouldn't measure after doing workout for at least 2-3 hours
I know, although it may not be too much of a concern because it's the difference in size that I'm interested in and the pump should be mostly the same for either leg
There's probably no reason you couldn't also workout. I was doing workouts the first time, though I have greatly reduced the amount recently.

>I should avoid consuming it completely for a while?
No, you do need some salt. Just eating what's considered a healthy amount would be ideal since it can raise blood pressure.


Also I didn't realise these images were AI.

>>11288036
>There's probably no reason you couldn't also workout.
Yeah, but it just makes calculating the difference before&after easier.

>Also I didn't realise these images were AI.
It took me about 4 seconds to notice that something is off when I saw the first one. AI but it doesn't look that bad at least.

>>11288224
>It took me about 4 seconds to notice that something is off when I saw the first one. AI but it doesn't look that bad at least.
The only thing that seems off is the lighting, in particular that it has multiple reflection points which would only make sense if the surface was bumpy or there was multiple lights.
I suppose that's the best tell now for AI. If the quality is high and they are making rookie mistakes, or just mistakes that a person conscious of what they are doing wouldn't make

>>11287858
I love it when they're embarrassed.

>>11288224
>>11288325
Although, even then someone with as little artistic skill as me could fix some of the major flaws with just the GIMP paintbrush if they were so inclined.
I don't mind 'AI artists', but I think they should put in a bit of effort. With better tools and some practice, they could spend 30 minutes removing all the flaws. Then maybe no one would complain about the title of artist, given they'd actually have a skillset related to the artwork itself.

The ideal boiwife

favorite kinda archetype for boys with dumptruck asses? Pretty boys, jock boys, nerd boys, etc

>>11288959
I like the soft sissy and muscle boys, the artist(unclekrees) I commission showed me he can do the big booty boy body, thinking about doing one next month

>>11289540
oh my lord, who made this?!

>>11287419
To explain:
C = control, the leg I applied a treatment without saw palmetto in
A = active, the leg I applied a treatment with saw palmetto in it
The measurements were at the top of the thigh (where the thickest point was) middle thigh, and thigh just above the knee
I applied the treatment from above the the top measurement (to the top of the thigh/butt, butt got active treatment on both side) to the middle measurement.

The premade batch is what I was referring to here
>>11282752
but after I ran out I went back to my original method of mixing it together each time I applied it

The measurements were taken before applying, but on days 8,9,10 I started taking measurements in the morning after taking off the wrap

As we can see, there is definitely something happening with the saw palmetto, as I also tried it on the opposite leg last time with similar results. The results were likely declining at first due to an under powered dose and maybe because when I refrigerated it the mixture separated and I probably only got a good dose on the first day or two.
I've also been losing weight, which is why they are getting smaller, but notably it seems the treatment may offset that.
It seems likely that part of this is just swelling, as you can see with the sudden jumps before and after treatment on days 8+, notably, on day 8 and 10 I had woken up only 4 hours afterwards and taken the measurement then. So it would seem that the swelling may be most acute in the first couple hours
Also, I was getting a lot of irritation and itchiness midway through. I hadn't been working out then, and after I started working out again it seems to have gone away. So maybe this relates to the swelling, and exercise improves circulation and fixes this

Maybe taking multiple doses a day would make the effects even greater, or maybe the swelling needs to go away for it to potentially have long term effects and a higher dose would be ideal
I'm not sure. I may continue a couple days more

>>11289698
gasturopodu

>>11290374
Me and who?

>>11286442
Can I bend you over and pound your fat ass?

>>11290975
Only if you're a tall goth lady

>>11289943
Hm, I have a couple of thoughts about this.
It looks like losing weight is mostly affecting the upper point and saw palmetto offsets that, although it is not that much difference on the other measurement points. And it is not that much difference anyway, of course, in the study it also was not a giant increase, which makes determining effectiveness harder, if we assume it wasn't just mismeasurement or natural size fluctuation, which are also a factors affecting the experiment. Maybe I'm just too pessimistic though.
I also would like to point out that we are both applying dosages that are greater than that used in the study, which logically implies that the results should be bigger if it works on men.
And it may be that it works only after long term treatment, which we may not be able to reach with just a month of continued application.
>Typically phytoestrogens aren't bioavailable so they will demasculinise rather than feminise because the phytoestrogens will inhibit testosterone production.

Recently I was thinking that maybe I should try applying the treatment without using the derma roller beforehand or/and mixed with some sort of hand cream or something. Idea that a derma roller should be used was mine, if I'm not mistaking, and now I wonder if this could cause a size reduction of fat cells due to the increased blood flow that I heard somewhere could be caused by this (at the same time I heard that it is impossible to lose fat in a specific region and work outs created for this goal are a fraud). And regarding the mixing hand cream instead of baby oil, I noticed that saw palmetto doesn't really mix with it, so it may cause worse absorption into the skin, which probably wouldn't happen with a moisturizing cream. Do you have to shower your legs at the morning? Mine is less oily than at the moment of applying but I can't wear pants if I don't clean it after.

>>11291169

>>11291130
I should have included the end of the day as well, because that final measurement was at the start
73.3 and 75.2, so not major difference.

>looks like losing weight is mostly affecting the upper point and saw palmetto offsets
The upper part is fattier, so it has more fat to lose. I'm also not applying the saw palmetto past the middle, whereas at the upper point I apply it above and below. Maybe I should try it at a leaner point to see what it does to an area without much fat. Then we could guess of fat is actually being interacted with.
My theory is it's some form of inflammation or maybe water retention, just because of how it swells after applying it (and when I switched to the more effective dose I think this was waking me up because the wrap would get tighter and sting a little)
Although I think the study did scan more fat in the breasts, I don't recall

>Recently I was thinking that maybe I should try applying the treatment without using the derma roller beforehand
I'm testing that now using the same leg. It's a good opportunity since if it doesn't work it'll shrink fairly notably.
I've done it one day so far and the measurements was less than the night before 75.2 > 74.5 when it usually spikes up, but that could be because of muscle size difference since my other leg was also bigger at night, but the difference 3x on the treated leg so it probably wasn't the entirely that.
So it's looking like the derma roller may be necessary, but I'll know in a few days. Could like you said that the fat growth is slowly and maybe impeded by inflammation.

>saw palmetto doesn't really mix with it
And if it doesn't mix, then the oil would also make a barrier.
I'd say try a based moisturiser, and the hand sanitizer I use may also be helping since the alcohol can help things get through the skin.
The vitamin E may not be necessary anyway. I may test either leg with just one ingredient each

>shower
No, once I take it off my legs will dry fairly quickly

>>11291177
>>11291130
So just to keep track.
>I am testing no derma roller with same treatment

I'll probably have to wait until I get more, because I am almost out (it'll take 0-2 months). Then I want to test:

>Two mixes using only moisturiser on one leg and hand sanitizer on the other
Since I chose hand sanitiser to increase absorption, and moisturer just to not dry out so it probably isn't helping and maybe is worsening absorption

>Applying the treatment on the whole thigh
This will give a better reading on what actually grows. I wasn't doing this because i wanted to see if growth would spread beyond where it was applied, but that's only a conclusion that can be drawn once we know if the area dows grow
This can be done the same time as the prior one

>Testing 2-3 treatments in a day to see if swelling will spike even more
i can probably do this at the same time as the other two tests if I do this on my butt alone

>Test not using wrap
If I have any leg after the other tests, I'd like to know if wrapped is necessary because it's the most annoying part. Maybe I'll test this first actually. The problem you have with the oil just gave me an idea, maybe applying the normal treatment then an oil will do the same thing as a wrap. So the test could be no wrap one leg and treatment than oil on the other.

Also wanted to try some other mixtures, like adding creatine (since thats also meant to help water retention and supposedly boosts collagen in the skin), but I may not bother

>>11291177
>>11291177
>I should have included the end of the day as well, because that final measurement was at the start 73.3 and 75.2, so not major difference.
I'm dumb, you mean A.Upper on day 0 was 73.3 and on day 10 or 11 it was 75,2? If yes, then these results are comparable to the one which were in the study and you managed to get them a second time.
>Although I think the study did scan more fat in the breasts, I don't recall
Yeah, I still don't know what exactly was meant in that part of the document. But there were two pictures before and after where the difference is visually distinguishable.
>My theory is it's some form of inflammation or maybe water retention, just because of how it swells after applying it
Given that you are using moisturizer a water retention is to be expected, isn't it? Besides, a derma roller also is contributing to swelling.
Although, I want to say that I have no such problems at all. In my case wrap wasn't slipping at nights since I started to use liquid saw palmetto and certainly it doesn't swell enough that I would feel some difference.
>I'd say try a based moisturiser, and the hand sanitizer I use may also be helping since the alcohol can help things get through the skin.
Okay, I will figure something.
Also I think I've fucked up with applying treatment on May 17, 18 and skpped 19 entirely because I've ran out of shrink wrap. So it would be better to count from this day on.
>maybe applying the normal treatment then an oil will do the same thing as a wrap.
Uh, based on personal experience I had, I think it will just make your bed dirty with oil soaked in the fabric. And it is not like you physically can apply it as a separate layer above the treatment anyway, you have to smear it and this will move applied treatment unpredictably.

>>11292164
>you mean A.Upper on day 0 was 73.3 a
no, i worded it weirdly
I mean I should have included the end of the day measurement of day 10. The phrasing of the graph is a bit dumb on my part because 'day' actually means treatment. The first measurement is taken at night and the second one in the morning (on days 8-10) after I take off the wrap
So the measurement is just at the end of day 11 control leg was 73.3, treated leg was 75.2

>water retention is to be expected, isn't it? Besides, a derma roller also is contributing to swelling.
That's why I was doing this control test. The control leg was still being derma rolled and treated with moisuterisr, handsantiser, and vitamin before wrapping; the same process just no saw palmetto, so saw palmetto is doing something

>well enough that I would feel some difference.
I'm not sure I noticed a difference, I think it may have been waking me though from the slight added tightness causing stinging on the derma rolled areas

>your bed dirty with oil soaked in the fabric
Very true, but maybe when I test applying it during the day

And I have been still testing without the derma roller. It seems derma roller is important. Just took off the treatment and the measurement is:
control 73.3
treated 74.4
Before applying the treated was 74.5, and I upped the dose of this one to make sure. So whatever swelling I was recording on day 8-10 after taking off the treatment doesn't seem to occur without derma rolling, or without it is less effective and will drop to whatever level it could maintain

If you're getting itchies after using the derma roller, like i was, you should try working out a bit. I don't know how active you are doing the day either, but I would go for walks in the morning and do workouts in the afternoon and it got rid of the discomfort I was getting. The sensation of it reminds me of when you're sedentary a long time and then try to walk, and the jiggling makes your fatty areas incredibly itchy (fatties will know)

>>11292164
And if you want to see where I'm measuring
>>28854781

>>11292164
>>11292564
Second times the charm
>>/gif/28854781

>>11292164
>>11292564
>>11292566
third time
>>>/gif/28854781

>>11292269
>Before applying the treated was 74.5, and I upped the dose of this one to make sure. So whatever swelling I was recording on day 8-10 after taking off the treatment doesn't seem to occur without derma rolling, or without it is less effective and will drop to whatever level it could maintain
Okay, then I will continue to use it.
>f you're getting itchies after using the derma roller, like i was, you should try working out a bit.
So far I didn't felt it really but I will keep your advice in mind.
>>11292567
Damn, you are massive.
I thought that I should've made new photos, since I changed the positions of measurement points, but I kinda don't see any real benefit in uploading them, anyway https://files.catbox.moe/46z999.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/7c2vqz.jpg https://files.catbox.moe/my3w0k.jpg

>>11292567
>Cagecuck
>Cuts himself

Like pottery

>>11292666
>then I will continue to use it
And what length is your derma roller? I think mines 1.4mm

>So far I didn't felt it
Do you take a measurement after you take it off. I'd be interested to know if the sudden swelling is consistent. I'm wondering what's the chance I just have an allergy to saw palmetto

>>11292998
>And what length is your derma roller?
2mm. Though, it doesn't actually penetrate that deep, because I don't push it that hard. The 'needles' it have are tiny triangle shaped blades and I don't know if I got fooled or not. I'm sure if I push hard enough they will sink fully into the flesh, but the amount of power required for this feels more than it is intended for using such device and there will be blood after.
>Do you take a measurement after you take it off. I'd be interested to know if the sudden swelling is consistent. I'm wondering what's the chance I just have an allergy to saw palmetto
Ok, I will check it. I usually measure before applying or at evenings. I still have to apply treatment today and tomorrow, so I will tell you.

>>11293392
>I'm sure if I push hard enough they will sink fully into the flesh
Yeah, I wouldn't do that. Mine is a typical round needle shape, although I'm not actually sure it's penetrating the skin. My skin is obviously pressed down so I can't see. Maybe it is somewhat, just not all the way. I was just testing on my arm and it still can't tell, but there's a lingering discomfort and when I shower I can feel it so it seems there is some penetration occuring.

Checking before and after applying would at least let you know it's having an effect.
I just did some testing with the last that I had, applying it 3 times a day for 2 days on my butt. It doesn't seem to have been any different, capping out at 121 and shrinking back to 120 before the next application. Although I realise perhaps the flaw in this is that if it my did butt swell it would likely sag and throw off the measurement. The thigh is much more stable, and I measure them flat on the floor. I can't think of a good way to measure my butt other than lying on my stomach with then makes it nearly impossible to read

big butt boys are meant for eating out. Who agrees

>>11293471
>eating out
Like going on a date?

>>11293879
No, like eating ass. Rimjobs. Tongue to (clean) asshole.

I shan't let this thread die out.

>>11294351
Dude, don't make this thread gay

>>11294979
Aren't it already gay when the thread is about our eyes looking at boys with big butt?

>>11294979
Bro, you're looking at men with fat asses. It seems pretty gay to me.
>>11294988
Exactly!

It's not gay if your balls aren't touching.

>>11293400
So, I checked if my thigh was swelling at the morning and I can say it doesn't. Maybe your skin is just very sensitive. For example, I can shave without using any foam or even soap and there will be no irritation after at all. And I use the same razor for about 3 years now without changing the blades. So, it may depend on if the skin is just sensitive or not.

>I was just testing on my arm and it still can't tell, but there's a lingering discomfort and when I shower I can feel it so it seems there is some penetration occuring.
When I use it a dozen of clear red lines appear on my skin that stay there for a few days, so it does actually penetrate the skin. But the underside takes much more "damage" for some reason despite that I'm trying to roll it with even force everywhere.
>I can't think of a good way to measure my butt other than lying on my stomach with then makes it nearly impossible to read
Yeah, unless it is a drastic increase in size it couldn't be said for sure if it became bigger or not. I measure my thigh in the same sitting position on the same seat, but I should measure them on the floor too, it would be better.

>>11293471
Agreed. I think rimming is underrated in femboy porn for sure.

>>11295695
>Maybe your skin is just very sensitive
Could be, and do have stretch marks on the inner and back part of the top of my thighs, where the most growth seems to occur. So my skin is more thin there.

>When I use it a dozen of clear red lines appear on my skin that stay there for a few days
I don't get those. Maybe it's the type or maybe you want a shorter needle length. Skin is only 1.5mm deep, so maybe whatever change is occurring is better just shy of fully puncturing the skin (whether or not that's beneficial in the long run I can't say)

The only other difference I can think of may be the hand sanitiser. But IDK if you'd want to use that with actually puncturing the skin. I'll know when I get more and do some tests comparing saw palmetto with moisturiser and hand santiser independently

I'm tempted to build some sort of rig to measure my leg quickly and consistently using lidar or something, because doing the measurements and applying the treatment can take 30 minutes

>>11296318
>I'm tempted to build some sort of rig to measure my leg quickly and consistently using lidar or something
Heh, that would be a project in itself.

>>11295881
Someone gets it! Thank God

Continuation of >>11287419
Just as it was previously, I see no noticeable changes in circumference of my thigh. I was applying treatment for 4 days from May 20 to 24. The dosage was 1,4 ml of saw palmetto and some amount of skin care cream.

Unlike the times when I used baby oil, I'm now sure that everything was absorbed into the skin.
I think that I should wait until 4th of June to be 100% sure that there is no lingering effect left, so I can start testing again and I will try to make accurate measurements until then to see if my thigh will become smaller.
Also an important part I want to point out is that, I wasn't aware how hard measuring is to get the exact circumference, because I was expecting a big increase. Leg is not a perfect circle, it is uneven, skin is soft which means you can press into it accidentally and on top of that muscles can make certain parts of the leg much thicker if they are tense. I can say that there is not a small chance that the results I got are a mismeasurement, since I don't have an exact numbers on each day, because I used a set of threads instead of a measuring tape and there were times when they might slid down a little or I genuinely didn't knew if I'm getting the same measurement or it is 3mm bigger. I will have to buy measuring tape now because my expectation of fat growth were bigger than what I see in practice, and I will now measure with my legs flat on the floor instead of in a sitting position.

>>11263437
really wish he wasnt wearing that gay hat

>>11297437
personally, I think the hat's cute on Testament, but agree to disagree?

>>11293471
Your plate, sir.

>>11298570
Oh hell yeah... I would gladly eat out Pineapple! I do wonder if he tastes as good as the fruit... or maybe better~

>>11288680
>gynecomastia
Hnng I know this is a bottom heavy boy thread but I want to watch his overly large fatty pecs bounce when he jogs

A nice wide hipped, suple ass femboy is the best. Not just seeing it but knowing the ass WILL clap and ripple when pounding, grabbing and slapping it. Personally a nice small wait and pear shape femboy is best, but also the wider hipped ones are BEGGING to get fucked.

Also, more flare pants/forbidden leggings femboys

>>11287027
>>11263500
>>11291169
>>11286442
>>11286172
This artist really like everything about butts being big...

>>11302043
I like to think someone just kancho'd him, but his horse anus clings tight to his pants making it difficult to correct

>>11302020
Imagine the disparity of such a fat ass to such a slender body

>Sitting on crowded bus
>Something blots out the light
>It's the fattest ass you've ever seen
>Wobbling as the bus turns
>Jiggling on every bump
>Very much unsuited to the cute, slender boy it's attached to
>"Is this seat taken?" he asks
>He's pointing at your crotch
>Before you can respond he plaps his ass onto your lap
>Soft, warm, and most of all heavy
>He giggles as he shuffles against you, cheeks pressing to your abdomen
>You'd have pushed him off, but he's currently the only thing hiding your erection
>Instead you hold him tightly, his firm tummy
>So definitely boyish
>"Something wrong, mister?" he asks smugly
>His words vibrate your fingers
>His shallow breaths make his flat chest raise and fall
>All the while he continues grinding on your cock
>Rock hard and buried deep
>If there's a bussy somewhere between these cheeks, you've yet to find it
>Even as you tilt your hips, driving your cock deeper, you meet not resistance
>Until now the movement have been subtle
>But he then put his hands on his ass and began squeezing it
>It became even tighter, each movement a little more pleasurable
>Unlike you, he's not trying to mask the pleasure he's in
>You do you best to ignore the judgmental glances from other passengers
>In doing so, you only focus more on his ass
>Head pressed firm against your pants
>Shaft being clenched and stroked
>You cum
>He's audibly delighted
>After you've pumped your load he stands to leave
>Surprisingly there's almost not evidence of what transpired
>Only a small wet spot on your pants
>The rest was hidden somewhere deep in his crack, where his pants had now too been forced
>He gave only a wave as he left
>Ass bouncing with each step

>>11302319
I wish you could get pants like this and wear a butt plug outside of your pants

anyone has that copypasta of the college guy who got cursed with a growing sensitive ass?

>>11303320

>>11297298
I just got more saw palmetto. It came sooner than expected so I haven't come up with a new way of getting a accurate measurement and consistent measurements.

>>11304668
I guess you can only do it as before or wait until you figure out something. I just have no ideas and making a lidar scanner is way beyond my knowledge, so I can't even give an advice.

I said that I will start testing again on 4th of June but there was some unexpected event so I had to wait. I will start tomorrow, but I'm somewhat unsure if I really need to raise the dosage to 2,1ml of saw palmetto. I feel that it would be better to test with 1,4ml again because when you think about numbers: I'm only testing on one leg but if saw palmetto works, then a person will need to use more because there is a second thigh and also a butt. My bottle is big and has 60ml in it but at the rate of 5ml per daily application this isn't gonna last much.

And if only we had more participants... For some reason I feel bad because I am getting results that contradict yours so far.

>>11304752
Making a lidar 3D scanner was just an idea I had because I already have the lidar time of flight sensors, gyroscopes, and stepper motors. The main issue with the modules I have it says they could off by 3-12%. I haven't done any testing with their accuracy yet, so I don't know if that's a consistent deviation or if it's per use. I may not bother if I have to calibrate before each use, although that could be as simple as just putting some pipe in the centre at a known distance to offset all the measurements by the difference.

>raise the dosage to 2,1ml of saw palmetto
I wonder what the strength of yours is, because with mine I was using 0.25ml in 1 thigh in the first test

>I feel bad because I am getting results that contradict
That's fine, the point is to test if it works or not and maybe figure out why. I don't care if it does or doesn't since I don't intend to use it myself. I just wanted something I could recommend to boys who want bigger butts and thighs but are afraid of getting muscular definition from working out
The results may not contradict though
My current measurement is 72.5 and 73.9, a difference of 1.4 or 1.9% The biggest gap in testing was 2.6 or 3.5%. Unless I've still not returned to baseline and the growth has been long lasting, we could the 3.5% should have 1.9% subtracted to make it a 1.6% difference from the saw palmetto. If you're getting about 0.6% difference, that isn't too far off and if its fat multiplication that's actually occurring then it's probably expected since I have more fat on my leg than you do
Although I'd like to think that the difference in size was a long lasting effect, but probably not. I could test on the other leg again to see if they become equal and remain so

>>11304752
Another more accurate measurement method would probably be to measure the volume by filling a tube/barrel with water, putting you leg in to overflow the water into a container, then measuring the weight of the overflowed water. That would be relatively simple to set up, but would take a bit of prep and space.

A simpler way that I considered to at least make the measuring consistent would be to use some fixed surface(s) mark the spots on your leg. As in standing next to a desk and having the marker flat on the surface to then draw a line at the same height on both legs. Then you can measure along it with a cloth tape measure.
You could, if you were to measure it while standing, also attach the cloth tape measure to the same surface at the same height (to line up with the line) so that you can put your hamstring against it and then just have to focus on lining up the front of the. An issue I had with trying to get an accurate measurement on the ground was making sure it was lined up on the back. It wasn't too bad because I just have to put it between the two side markings, but it would be nice to have to be more convenient

I was wondering if there was maybe another way to measure, like an automated circumference measuring device I could make.
I think what I'll do is also measure the circumference around the thickest part of the thigh using the desk method as well as make some sort of 3D scanner (just because I want an excuse to make some robotics)

>no mention of doing squats and pilates
its like you want the ass but not work for it. wish i could say i was any different

>>11305117
My nigga in Floyd
>>11304968
>I just wanted something I could recommend to boys who want bigger butts and thighs but are afraid of getting muscular definition from working out
And I've posted about which workouts are good and made enough routines already

>>11280922
“Thunder breathing style… THUNDER CLAP AND FLASH”

>>11282031
Tits are life, but ass is hometown.

>>11287088
>>11287120
Screencap this. This is a fapfic for the ages.

I wish there was more art of Will from Pokémon with a fat ass... smug psychic twinks with fat asses kinda rock, not gonna lie

>>11306513
What if his bussy was a little more well used and drooling lube in anticipation for yet another use?

Continuation of this >>11297298, I had problems with Internet, so I couldn't post earlier.

I decided to 1,7 ml of saw palmetto again for 4 days. Left leg as always. Starting from 7th of June.

I measured my legs on the floor this time using measuring tape this time.
L
35
42,5
45,5

R
34,5
42
46

Weight ~49kg

>>11304968
>I wonder what the strength of yours is, because with mine I was using 0.25ml in 1 thigh in the first test
Text says that it is 680mg per 0,7ml which is one full squeeze of the dropper.
>>11304988
>Another more accurate measurement method would probably be to measure the volume by filling a tube/barrel with water, putting you leg in to overflow the water into a container, then measuring the weight of the overflowed water. That would be relatively simple to set up, but would take a bit of prep and space.
Yes, this sounds like the most accurate and method so far. I tried the tape measure and even with it I'm not 100% sure that I'm not pulling it too hard.

>>11307112
>1,7 ml
>680mg per 0,7ml
That seems a fair bit, although are you applying it to the whole thigh? I guess there's no downside to using a lot, but maybe you'd want to try different methods to improve absorption to get more out of it

>Yes, this sounds like the most accurate and method so far
The issue would be that you're measuring the whole leg, and it'd be harder to know of the growth is solely where you are using the treatment.
>not 100% sure that I'm not pulling it too hard
I just have it so it doesn't dig in at all, just against the surface if the skin.

I think what I'll do, since I prefer measuring against the floor to relax my muscles, is use a plank to mark the leg at certain increments. Then I'll put my leg along it on the ground to line up the tape on the back of the tight (which will be attached to thr plank) to get quick and easy measurements. If I attach a piece of wood perpendicular at the end in order to stand on it will mean I can also put my foot against it on the ground to make sure it's lined up.
I may still try to make a 3D scanner, since it would be good to have two types of measurements to try and see where the swelling is actually is occurring, but I'll first have to test the accuracy to know if it's worth the effort. If so, I'd not start testing again until the weekend. At which point I think I'll do the test if using moisturiser vs hand sanitizer.

>>11307535 cont.
I just tested the lidar now, and it seems it only gives a measurement within 5mm of accuracy at 10cm of distance.
So it doesn't seem particularly useful, although it does seem consistently within a 5mm deviation. I'd have to figure out some way to test if it's always giving ±2mm meaning I could just average the results or at least a consistent direction of deviation. If so, it'd be something easily adjusted for with a calibration of some known distance beforehand

The main reason I want it is for an accurate way of measuring the butt, but since I'm only going to test the thighs for now it may not even be that useful

>>11307535
>That seems a fair bit, although are you applying it to the whole thigh?
Yes. 0,7ml on the top half and 0,7ml on the bottom half. 1,4ml in total, not 17, I mistyped.
It is a lot, yes, but it comes from the idea that I should try doubling the dosage. In the first test I used 0,7ml on the whole thigh.

Also, I only started thinking about it recently, but isn't cling wrap is used by people who want to loose weight? I've definitely seen videos of people doing workouts with it wrapped around their body.

>>11307604
Maybe that's something I should test as well, different dosages. The main issue is whether or not the immediate swelling I get correlates to any long term growth, because I assume that would differ a fair bit based on dosage changes as it did when I didn't use a derma roller.

>isn't cling wrap is used by people who want to loose weight
I've not seen it, but that may be something to do with water weight reduction. I have heard of people doing things like that to make themselves sweat more while working out, but it's not making any significant, long-term changes to the body. It'd just be to get a slightly better number when they step on the scale, although maybe being hot would burn a few more calories IDK.
The reason for the cling wrap here is to prevent oxidation of the saw palmetto, preserving it to hopefully let more be absorbed

I may not understand all the jargon with some of you guys, but I wish you luck in building yourself into irl bootyboys

>>11308052
They try to create a miracle only lucky genetics can achieve...

>>11308230
Anyone can get bigger thighs and butt from building more muscle. Genetics may limit the maximum amount you can grow (*currently), but that doesn't mean you can't get a bigger but at all. Only real thing it matter for is determining your bone structure, face, and fat distribution

* There are PEDs in development that will block myostatin, i.e. the hormone that tells the body to breakdown muscle. With this drug, you'd basically have unlimited muscle building potential without any of the masculinising effects of androgen based steroids. Only downside is you'd also grow muscle everywhere else without even training it, so it may not let you target just one part of the body as easily

>>11308235
What about just getting a BBL? Also, good lord I want to worship Bridget's ass.

>>11308357
Sure, but that's a surgery with risks and costs, also requiring you have the bodyfat in the first place
If something like saw palmetto shows to have fat increasing properties over the long term, it'd be something skinnier boys can use. Although my suspicion is it would still require some weight gain

>>11263436 (OP)
This is what pico and chico look like when they grow up, say something nice about them

>>11308649
How fucking wide is the guy they're on top of?

>>11308650
I think he's meant to be laying long-ways, legs in the left and torso on the right.

>>11263446
n-no homo..

>>11307604
I'm probably going to start testing again tomorrow. I've made a measuring stick with measuring tape attached and I'll just test my thighs for the time being.
I thinking of doing some other types of tests as well. I saw some studies on prolonged stretching of the calves (1-2 hours a day) resulting in them getting thicker and stronger in people who had been training prior. I want to see if I can make something to force my glutes to be stretched like that to see if they can be forced to grow. I'll need to make the 3D scanner for this. I may start out with thr claves to see if that will work at least, since I can measure them on the same plank as the thigh. If it worked, it'd be something people could do to boost and isolate their glute training - alternate which glute you stretch every 2-3 months to allow it to return to normal and be stretched again

continuation of this >>11307112

So far I'm getting the same measurements as I got on the day 0: 35 42,5 45,5. To be more sure I also checked my weight, it is smaller by 1 kg but I'm sure it is within a normal deviation (in the previous time I took measurement only a few hours after I had a dinner).
As I was saying earlier, using measuring tape isn't that easy when the difference is not that big because if you pull it just a little too hard it will dig into the skin and lower the numbers by a few millimeters, if you aren't pulling it will be too lose and it will add a few millimeters. I'm not rounding the numbers I'm getting but I can't be 100% sure in them, although if my thigh would've swelled by 5 or more millimeters in circumference, I would've definitely noticed it.

I doubt anything will change in the following days but I will still measure as always.

>>11310971
>I'm sure it is within a normal deviation
I realise this is probably an issue, so I haven't started yet and am just measuring for a few days to get an accurate starting point. It's especially important since I'm going to be testing both legs to compare base mixtures. Before further tests.

>using measuring tape isn't that easy
Well I'm glad it's not just me. That's why I made a plank to measure along, cutting up a few measuring tapes and nailing them along where I'll put a pen to mark the front of the thigh
https://files.catbox.moe/fs3v7g.jpg
I realise the hole is tedious to use though, so I'll want to make some sort of jig to mark it in place

>pull it just a little too hard
I pull it as tight as possible and then slowly release until it's held in place by just the weight of my fingers. It does take a couple tries since you also have ti make sure you've lined it up and it didn't shift up or down from the line. That's why I found against the floor to be the easiest measuring place.

There are a lot of factors that could be affecting the difference. The aforementioned difference in derma roller and the main one which is considerably different body composition. The fact I way over 2x your weight probably isn't insignificant.
I do also wonder about potentially different suppliers and maybe even different diets since I do drink a lot of water and track my micronutrients fairly closely

>>11310971
Been watching this for 5 minutes now

>>11310812
>femboy on femboy breeding
BASED

>>11312936
Trying to create the perfect offspring

>>11312936
Someone could probably make a line of big butt femboys all screwing each other
...Oh lord, imagining all the fucking wobbling is lovely

>>11311368 cont.
>>11310971
Alright, starting testing today
Took a couple days for the glue to dry on the marking tool
https://files.catbox.moe/zmntgc.jpg
But I'm happy that it'll give me much more consistent measuring without having to worry about the marks rubbing off. I just make a line, line up the tape with it, make sure the tape overlaps perfectly, and it's all good

>>11306909
sauce?

>>11315127
@JohnJohnJohnny

>>11310971
Some news, good or bad IDK. It seems like I was getting a bunch of miss measurements before by relying on redrawing the mark in the same spot on the skin.
Using the board to redraw the line before measuring, I found that somehow my skin shifted up 1cm during the night (I guess saw palmetto was causing skin tightening, I think there was something about that in the study).
So I don't know if there is actually an immediate swelling, or if it's because I'm measuring higher. It seems to only be 0.5cm difference now, if there's one at all. I'll need to try to be more accurate in the next few days to make sure

IDK if you're still testing, and I don't know how you were deciding dot placement, but maybe try measuring from the floor or wall (with your foot against it) to see if the markings are in distinctly different locations

>>11316100 cont.
Basically, I think I need to go back to square one and only test on one leg to make sure there's actually growth. Although I'm currently testing if there's this shift of skin without any treatment, if it's just sleep that does it

>>11316100
>IDK if you're still testing, and I don't know how you were deciding dot placement, but maybe try measuring from the floor or wall (with your foot against it) to see if the markings are in distinctly different locations
Yes I'm still testing, it is just I had some unrelated things to do and it prevented me from reporting in time, just as always. As I expected, nothing changed, I had a couple of days when, for example, a measurement on the middle got bigger by 3mm but the other ones didn't and on the next day it was back to normal and I assume that I just mismeasured
Speaking of markings changing their location, I thought about that this could happen slowly because marks will be redrawn not ideally in the same spot. But I was using a set of threads initially and, as you can remember, the results were the same. If the mark had moved higher or lower, I would have noticed it, because the length of the thread would not have been enough to connect its ends or they would have overlapped.
I used dots then, but now I draw parallel lines because I wanted to be double sure that marks won't move anywhere but I have a suspicion that this worked in the opposite of a desired direction because lines get smeared more than dots and the chance to redraw it inaccurately is increased.

I don't know what to do right now, maybe just test 2,1ml, but I can only start on the day after tomorrow.
I will measure on the floor with my foot against the wall and make marks on the floor to see if markings on the leg move anywhere, but it should be taken into account that legs aren't round and the most stable position that the measuring tape can get is not horizontal and parallel to the ground but a bit diagonal.

>>11316966
What I'm realising I should have done (with the thing I made to mark in the same spot) is just use a laser pointer to shine light onto my leg and draw the line there. It'd have been easier to make (no hinge necessary) and be faster to use (no adjusting pen position). Even just shining a light at a piece of paper with a slit in it would probably work, and I could just attach an LED to the thing I made.
That could be something you consider, since you could use some sort of box with lines to align with spots on the floor (or distance from the wall), with a torch taped on top facing down at an angle, and some paper slit to narrow the beam (or in the box with a hole cut in the side)

It is looking like my skin does just move around a bit, maybe from getting dehydrated while I sleep since I always wake up thirsty and drink about 4L of water during the day so am fairly hydrated, but I'm not sure since it could partly be from the effects of the treatment not wearing off. I'll start again in a couple days (mostly because I've been really tired and didn't want it messing up my sleep) and probably also track the shifting of the skin as well because it may be relevant if tightening in some places correlates with bulging in others

>I don't know what to do right now
I was thinking you should try a different derma roller - rounder and shorter needle (1.0 - 1.4mm) - because it seemed that (in the couple days of testing) there wasn't a difference in using only hand sanitiser vs only moisturiser for how much of a difference it caused. So it seems the the biggest difference may be that.

Although it could be the saw palmetto is different. Does yours turn solid (a paste) when you put it in the fridge/cold? I thought last time this happened it was contamination, but the new batch I got turns solid as well (I have to put the bottle between my thighs to melt it before applying). I assume this is because of the purity since water or alcohol shouldn't turn solid at that temp

how did people find out about all this making your ass big stuff

>>11317742
It was some study on women's breasts (IDR who originally linked it), but the evidence for it working on boy butts isn't very compelling

The most certain way to get a bigger lower body is by growing the muscle

>>11317444
>Although it could be the saw palmetto is different. Does yours turn solid (a paste) when you put it in the fridge/cold?
Oh, I forgot to say about that. I was suspicious about the one I bought because it was the only one that came in a bigger bottle and also it contained more saw palmetto than the other ones in the same volume. It stays liquid in the fridge. I dunno maybe it is fake just as German quality™.

>>11317742
So far we were only testing it and have no actual conclusion if it works or not.

>>11318443
I got this one
https://ebay.us/m/9K1N19
IDK, if you can order from the same supplier, but maybe you could find the same brand from a different supplier

How are the treatments going, guys

>>11319668
In the study the peak of growth is reached at the third or fourth day, so it it is too early to ask.

>>11319668
Been having terrible sleep, so I haven't started again yet since it would make things worse

"Explore the forbidden lands!"
I'd rather explore something else...

Continuation of >>11310971

No changes were noticed again.
Now testing with 2,1ml of saw palmetto applied on 3 days. starting on 26 June.

>>11319668
If you are interested, these posts are chained together, so you can see the previous attempts and discussions.
At the end of the day, there are many factors that can possibly affect these tests. I am unhealthily thin for example and it sounds quite realistic that it may not work on me because of it.

>>11318475
Ok, I think I will try to buy this one next time when my current one will run out, although the other option is to try estrogen cream instead.

>>11263453
If i do barbell hip thrust and feel nothing in butt area, does that mean i am doing exercise wrong?

I do try to lift barbell focusing with butt, but it feels like my knees with muscles below butt doing all the work. Should i do stops for like 5 seconds for each barbell lift or so?

>>11320894
Sauce

>>11320891
>thin
Maybe the biggest factor
I'd say maybe buy the new one sooner if you still don't notice anything from a couple of weeks (assuming my mew tests do show something)

I don't have the swelling I had last time, but it's only the first day. There's no significant change measuring on the previous mark either (i decided to measure on the new and old and track the distance between them)
So it may be that the swelling after application only happened after a week since I only had the to do so on the last few days of testing. Not sure what that would imply, maybe it increases water retention in the skin? (Asking ChatGPT it seems to suggest estrogen creams can increase skin water retention, so if so we can at least know that the phytoestrogens from saw palmetto are at least working as they should)

>>11320939
>doing exercise wrong?
Probably, do you mean the hamstrings are where you feel it? That probably means you're extending your knee too far. Have your foot a bit closer to the bench you're using (you want the knee bend to be about 90° when you're up)
Additionally, you may want need feet further apart and if you flare your knees out a bit more that could get even more glutes.
Although I wouldn't flare the knees on a heavy lift, it becomes a different workout called a "frog pump", they could be a good warm-up for hip thrusts just done with lighter weight

With workout where you are flexing the muscle under the greatest tension (eg glutes in a hip thrust) you should be feeling it. Unlike in workouts where the greatest tension is under stretch (glutes in a low bar squat) you don't feel it as much despite it putting the muscle under more strain and growing it more than hip thrusts (this, i think, is because the nerves aren't being as compressed when the muscle is stretched vs when it is bunched up in a contraction)

>>11320891
Also, I'm gonna start testing stretching for muscle growth (on my calf at first because that's all I can measure and that's what the study is on) which may be something better suited to thin boys. Although if the phytoestrogens from saw palmetto are feminising the skin as it would seem, then maybe prolonged use of that would help frt distribution also

So the idea would be that you spend about an hour a day stretching the glute with some sort of rope/binding to hold you in that stretch. Then after several weeks you switch to let that side recover and tighten while stretching the other for the same period. It may not be necessary for people beginning to workout since they will be able to grow their butts from that (assuming they do the workouts right) but it may help with people who have slowed in their gains

I'm also going to test spot fat reduction by using heating (something I was looking into after you mentioned cling wrapping being used for weigh loss). It's not going to be very scientific since I'm just going to use pictures for comparison, but I'm going to wear a blanket under my shirt when I do my cardio on just my right side. I've seen other studies that suggest resistance training before cardio increases weightloss in that area. I think the idea is that lymph is what fat is first metabolised by, and so increasing lymph circulation through heat or workouts increases the rate fat can be burned. It may not work in the way I'm testing though (maybe I'll extend it to side of torso plus arm)
Thr benefit of this would mean people could do bulking and cutting to build muscle and fat, but wear something to make their torso hot so they burn mostly upper body fat and can keep their butt a little fatter each cycle of bulking. It would also mean one should avoid lower body workouts before cardio, and in particular I'm doing light cardio (power walking) while fasted (and on a keto diet) because that is what's shown too burn mostly fat rather than muscle

>>11321131

I do try for 90 degrees, but i do it with shoulders on bed, so it's not ideally straight position when i lift butt. Maybe i should really invest into bench or gym ...

Spreading legs even a bit makes my knees crack with sound, even if it's "ok" kinda scary do it ~~~

On the topic of exercises at home. There is nothing i can do about hitting a wall even with resistance band in exercises like clamshell etc?

Gym feels kinda pricey but also kinda scary for me to go and do butt only exercises. I reached 76kg barbell in hip thrust at home but feel like even there i have to go gym

>>11312961
>sloppy boy toys breeding themselves

>>11320998
Raburesu

But there isn't much content on subject, unfortunately.

>>11321693
>but i do it with shoulders on bed, so it's not ideally straight
You may need to find something knee level so you're horizontal when fully extended. You could try bending knees more, but then you'll start feeling it in the quads
A chair or a couch could work also (though you want something sturdy obviously) buying a bench may not be a bad idea if you'd prefer to workout from home, but a gym will give you access to abduction machines which are better than bands (I've been working out with resistance bands mostly and increasing the resistance with them doesn't seem to increase my lifts at the gym very much, but does at least maintain them)

>knees crack with sound
This could also be a result of the back rest being too high
It may not be an issue, my knees often crack from squats. Maybe try stretching the adductors (inner thigh) beforehand. Maybe also some hip internal and external rotation stretches and exercises could help. Maybe some deep squats to warm up the knees a bit

>hitting a wall even with resistance band in exercises like clamshell
If you mean increasing the resistance suddenly gets too hard, you could try assisting with your arms and trying to slowly move back together (doubling up bands so pulls closer) doing it seated as a regular hip abductions may be easier for this
If you mean it getting too easy, you could still try doubling it and doing forced, slow eccentrics like I said above. A different workout would help though since you do want something that applies load not at just peak tension. If you could tie weight to your leg (above the ankle) and lay on your side on a bed or other raised surface, then you could do a straight legged hip abduction with full range of motion and good tension at both the stretch (elevating your other leg so it's out of the way) and contraction. That will be as good as any gym machine for abductors and maybe you could tie the weight above the knee if you're concerned about putting tension across it like that

>>11321693
And you could still make progress at home. What other exercises are you doing?
Something that stretched the glutes under tension like a low bar squat is good (though tough to setup without a squat rack) but you could also try some RDLs with a knee bend to avoid hamstrings as much or kickstand RDLs.
I like the seated good morning with bent knees as a glute isolation workout. It works best with free weights as bands get light when you want it to be heavy. With this you want to have your knees rotated a bit also, i.e. feet shoulder with with knees flared out a bit to let your torso fit between. You keep your back straight and focus on the hips, I find that thinking about reaching forwards as far as possible rather than bending over helps with not rounding your back, and staying below 45° the whole time keeps the tension high

If you feel hip thrusts are getting easy, you can can also try them one legged. This will require better core stability and a good bench (obviously solving the problem of getting mostly hamstrings first). I have very little weight to do them with (only 20kg), but one legged it feels heavy enough. I do as many as I can then do forced eccentrics for as many as I can (lifting with two legs, lowering with one keg, alternating leg each time)

Besides darkwaifutrap there isn't other fat assed femboys right

>>11265083
>>11263453
This board is for fictional 2d hentai and this thread is about fictional boys with impossibly big asses. Take your self destructive activities somewhere else.

>>11321804
Hardly a greater infringement worse than the chastity or anal generals
It does take over the thread a bit, but when boys come lamenting they don't have big butts should I just say nothing? There's no shortage of people suggesting the only solution is HRT, so I try to offer alternatives like working out (which is beneficial to ines health) or localised treatments (that I'm willing to test on myself, but can't say they absolutely work yet) that won't have as many side effects as altering one's entire endocrine system would

Continuation of >>11320891

Measurements are the same as day 0 so far, if it will change I will post about it.
So, it is the 4th test by now, first had 0,7ml of saw palmetto applied, second and third had 1,4ml and current has 2,1ml. According to that it seem to not work, at least on me. There are a few factors that may have led to this, so I don't think it is useless yet.
Also regarding health: skin on my leg is absolutely normal, it has the same softness as the other one, there are no blisters or anything, so at least it doesn't turn you into a rotting ghoul.

>>11321131
>I'd say maybe buy the new one sooner if you still don't notice anything from a couple of weeks
While I could, I want to see the results of your current test before that. I just want to be more sure. And also I have to do something with the saw palmetto that is still left, it maybe fake but there is no 100% guarantee that it is, so I don't want to throw it away.
>Asking ChatGPT it seems to suggest estrogen creams can increase skin water retention
I'm not that informed about AIs, but I heard that they can hallucinate answers, because they try to meet the prompt. I just want to say that we shouldn't trust it in every situation, especially when it is super specific and there isn't any information about it like in our case.
>>11321158
>Also, I'm gonna start testing stretching for muscle growth
Well, good luck to you. Stretching for a whole hour won't be easy for sure.

>I'm also going to test spot fat reduction by using heating (something I was looking into after you mentioned cling wrapping being used for weigh loss).
Hm... I guess I can test this too if it would only require to wrap the specific body part in the cling wrap when doing cardio after exercises targeted at that bodypart? Like, I get that I'm a skeleton already, but I always wanted my abs to be more defined but no matter how much I worked out there always was a (relatively) thick patch of fat right on my stomach.

>>11323104
>According to that it seem to not work
How long have you been testing currently? I've only done 3 days and nothing. It could be it doesn't work and I was just getting bad measurements (I definitely was based on the variation of skin position) or it just takes some time to take affect (which it probably would). Since the difference was still there when I was wrapping both legs (one as control) it should have been having similar skin movement.

>I want to see the results of your current test
Fair enough, and if it ends up not working for me there may be no point
Probably wouldn't be fake, but maybe a different dose or carrier

>I heard that they can hallucinate answers
It should be fairly accurate because it searches the web (and links articles which I skim)
Good enough to be something to consider if it works as in prior tests. It could be that saturating the skin with phytoestrogen (and maintaining it) is what then results in changes to the fat beneath

>Stretching for a whole hour won't be easy for sure
I need to make something for it to hold it in place while I just lay in bed

>guess I can test this too
I have a decent amount of fat to still lose, so the difference (if it exists) could be seen. It wouldn't be much if a test if you're just wrapping your whole waist, but you could still do it because there is some evidence to it.
I used a cut up blanket I sewed into a sleeve and half a shirt. Wrapping in cling wrap could work, I just wasn't able to use it since I want it on half the body. I'm considering adding a hot water bottle or something for additional warmth, although I already feel I get overheating from just the blanket.
Probably is best to do low intensity cardio when fasted because that is supposed to trigger the most fat burning. You could do some ab workouts just to warm up prior and maintain that heat from working out while ideally the rest if the body being cool

You may just need to build more ab muscle, some workouts are better than others

>>11321804
Hey now, if the people wish to become big butt boys as best as they can within the bounds of reality, let them

>>11323190
>How long have you been testing currently?
Today it is the 6th day, I was applying treatment on 26th, 27th and 28th of June.
>or it just takes some time to take affect
Initially I was wondering if in the study these 3 days in which the growth of fat was occurring were the days when the herb extracts were applied or it were the days after that. Logically it should be the ones when they applied.
But we aren't women, so I guess maintaining some level of phytoestrogen absorption for a more continuous period, like you suggested, may be the way for men, if it turns out that the saw palmetto doesn't affect us in the same way as it does the opposite sex. That would be a lot of derma rolling, heh.

>It wouldn't be much if a test if you're just wrapping your whole waist
Well, yeah, but I will see what will happen. I can just pinch the skin, make a photo and compare after... a month?
The fat is distributed across the body unequally, if I pinch my arm the thickness of the skin in the pinch is 2 or 3 millimeters but on my belly it is 1,5cm, I noticed it long ago, so I guess I will see if it is different, especially when I have a photo.

>>11321791
Guilty Gear?

>>11324627
Yea

>>11324164
>I was applying treatment on 26th, 27th and 28th of June.
Were you only applying the treatment for 3 days? I've been applying mine every day of testing (10-15 days depending on the test)

>The fat is distributed across the body unequally
There's different amounts of fat cells in different parts of the body, so it may be a baseline (i.e. mostly depleted fat cells) that you couldn't really lose. Maybe you could try anyway, but if you're already under 50kg it may be tough and also wouldn't help with building muscle

>>11324934
>Were you only applying the treatment for 3 days?
Yes, I was frequently mentioning the amount of days I was applying it, in previous 2 tests I was doing it for 4 days though.

>>11325207
My bad, I somehow missed that
I'd not expect it to be so effective you'd get notable changes from just a couple of applications, so you could always try a longer treatment period. So were you getting irritation with the derma roller in just a 3-4 days of using it? I was only getting things like that after about 1 week.

I've applied for 5 days so far and it doesn't seem to have much difference, though I did increase the dose form 0.5 to 0.75 after a couple days because I wanted to make certain my dose wasn't less than it eas before when I was only appling to the upper thigh. Maybe it's closed the gap a bit (I'm testing on the slightly thinner leg) but it's hard to say when it's just a couple measurements so far that have been closer.

cute guys

>>11321766
I reached 10-15 reps in series of hydrant, clamshell, side leg raise, donkey kicks with heavy resistance band (not just plain rubber, the one that is rubber stitched together with fabric) and just stopped on boredom and feeling that i need heavier exercises (i can do like 100 reps of glute abduction with band on chair in one go and still feels like nothing for volume)

Same with barbell hip thrust, reached goal -> stopped -> reached same weight x 15-20 reps x3 -> stop again over years because depression

Since my butt craves for some weight, i started lifting again, but idk, i will reach weight/number of reps back then the only thing i can push is something like 30+ reps x3 sets without buying 2x10kg plates and bench.
Also i finally started to lose weight .... and at same time i want to gain muscle :/

>>11325252
>I'd not expect it to be so effective you'd get notable changes from just a couple of applications, so you could always try a longer treatment period.
Well, I was just doing the same thing that was done in the study. When I was translating it, there was a mention that bags with herb extracts were applied each night for 3 days (Also the combined dosage of different extracts there was 10mg/ml, there was five different extracts so it is 2ml of each. If my memory is right and google translated it correctly to begin with.), so I figured out I would try the same thing. There is no point in short periods as I can see after the tests, so testing with longer periods of application.
Also, I somehow completely forgot that in the study they used 10ml. It feels kind pointless to do test with low doses like we did from this perspective but also there isn't this much of saw palmetto to test with.
>So were you getting irritation with the derma roller in just a 3-4 days of using it?.
My skin gets redder after I roll it and sometimes a few traces remain for a couple of days but I wouldn't really call it an irritation. These tiny red spots disappear quickly, there isn't a single one already and they are not itching, oh and also I noticed that it is not itching anymore when I apply the treatment. Maybe it is because I switched to mixing saw palmetto with hand cream instead of baby oil.

>>11325264
Huh, does this image imply that the blue haired dude is the only one of them who has underwear? lol

>>11325998
Do consider getting/making something to do hip abductions or fire hydrants with weights instead of bands. It'll possibly be better than what you'd get at the gym for training the minimus and medius glutes (I'm going to make something myself to test it, in have an old sheet I've been cutting up and sewing for custom workout gear, but any fabric will do). Here's a diagram of what I mean:
https://files.catbox.moe/9ttre6.jpg
You may also do something where you lay on the side for the fire hydrants, bringing your thigh in front) to stretch the glutes more

Have you tried doing seated good mornings? The stretch it good, at least as a warm up they are worth while
https://youtu.be/cJWYiUkiWrE?si=qIE9KxFjgRSJO9ed
I find focusing on stretching forwards when you're at the bottom of the rep, rather than bend over, helps more. You also don't need a bench, sitting on the wide if a bed or chair works too.

As for hip thrusts. Doing one leg at a time is the easiest way to make them a lot harder, but hou should consider getting a bench if you're not feeling it in the glutes

If you're getting more than 30 reps in 1 set, you definitely need something heavier

Losing weight and gaining muscle is possible, but typically only if you don't have much muscle

>>11326115
I was focusing on if it worked at all, so I wanted to take it consistently

Were they using 10ml of extract or 10ml at 10mg/ml? Because that's only 100mg which I'm probably getting similar strength to. I could still try a much stronger dose if it doesn't show changes after 2-3 weeks

>My skin gets redder after I roll
I only seem to get issues going back and forth over the same spot multiple times (which supposedly isn't how you're meant to use a derma roller)

>only one of them who has underwear
Maybe the rest are just wearing thongs

>>11326407
>Were they using 10ml of extract or 10ml at 10mg/ml?
"The sample to be used in the cell experiment was dissolved in DMSO (Dimethyl sulf-
oxide, Sigma-Aldrich, Molecular biology grade) at 10 mg/ml to make a stock solution, and then diluted to an appropriate concentration for use."
But this is for the test on cells and I thought it was for the breasts. The only thing I was able to find about dose of extracts is this bit of text at the end of page 2:
"Pack manufacturing
The chest-attached pack was made by adding 0.6% of each extract of
Q. acutissima,
C. lanceolata,
P. mirifica,
P. bambusoides,
S. repens, which showed lipogenic activity in 3T3-L1 cell experiments, and adding the extracts to 3% of the weight. The pack was manufactured in gel type by Atoz Bio Co., Ltd. The main ingredients added to the pack are shown in Table 1."
To determine we need to know the weight of these gel packs. I found the website of this company but it doesn't open for me for some reason, but maybe it is possible for you or other people http://www.atozbio.co.kr
>(which supposedly isn't how you're meant to use a derma roller)
Instruction on the box exactly tells to roll the same spots from different directions but who knows.
>I could still try a much stronger dose if it doesn't show changes after 2-3 weeks
Maybe but I guess we have to dig into this study more before that. The thing with gel packs should have been investigated right in the beginning and we have ignored that. But at least data from the tests we were making isn't nothing and could be useful.

>Maybe the rest are just wearing thongs
Kek, in this case normal underpants make him look more perverted than the others, while in reality it is the opposite.

Btw, isn't a bump limit on 4chan is 300 posts?

>>11326526
>The only thing I was able to find about dose of extracts is this bit of text at the end of page 2
Yeah I remember not being able to find exact info on it
>aybe but I guess we have to dig into this study more before that.
Maybe there's a way to figure it out based on the volume and ratios of other things, but the main reason I wasn't trying too hard to do so is because it machine translated so I can't really be confident in what it's saying being accurate to begin with.

>Btw, isn't a bump limit on 4chan is 300 posts?
It is, that's why the thread isn't bumping back to page 1 with new replies

80% of the pics posted here are feminine
(You) are all completely heterosexual, but me especially.

>>11326965
Nah, if they are male it's gay - dickgirl, tranny, or femboy. Mpreg isn't real, and sexuality is based on sexual reproduction

>>11326995
>draw a girl
>give her a penis
>uhm.. aktshually he's a biological male

>>11327035
Yes
Maybe you're not gay, because you're aroused by typically female qualities, but that doesn't mean it isn't still gay to fuck or want to fuck a male. A homosexual act isn't the same as homosexuality (a homosexual brain)
Granted, these aren't actually males but drawings, but it still stands as you're believing in the representation of them being male (boys)

>>11326965
OH NOOOOOO!!! I am not gay, I AM HETROSEXUAL! WHAT I'M GOING TO DO NOW?!!

>>11326641
Okay I will make a new thread again.

>Maybe there's a way to figure it out based on the volume and ratios of other things
I didn't found any mentions of weight of these packs or weight of their components, so we have to look into Atoz website, there probably is a page with their products. Have you tried opening it?

You can evacuate into a next thread:
>>11327194
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>>11327135
I like fishing, but I've only gone twice in my life. I'm not a fisherman by any means.

>>11327243
Yet you still recognise it's fishing despite you not being a fisherman.
There's nothing stopping you having gay sex just because you're straight, but if you wanted to have gay sex you're not straight

>>11327203
nice