Ouji Hime-sama ma Yoroi Den edition.

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I know picrel is using someone else's clothes, but would the previous body's smell turn on a character who was gender-swapped? Like, if a guy were turned into a girl, would smelling his old hoodie turn him on?

>Have a TSF fetish
>Not the most masculine of men, comfortable with just being me despite this. Twig build with young face.
>Have a few female friends, one of them's a massive tomboy who's very cute.
>Often jokes about me being an incel, often references the incel to femboy pipeline.
>Has on multiple occasions jokingly remarked I should start doing estrogen/transistion.
RELEAAAASE ME. LIFE IS NOT A PORNO. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES!!
SHE HAS A GIRLFRIEND!
DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING HARD IT IS TO NOT POP A BONER WHEN SHE SAYS THESE THINGS?! I HAVE TO LOCK THE FUCK IN.

If you guys were gender bend would you rather it be you but the opposite sex, or be transformed into your favorite fictional character that's a girl?

>>11326425
I saved it because it's a really cool idea, and I've only seen one other story have the "alternative biology" idea similar to it, and that was just a smutty short story that involved a virus and some weird shit. Nothing like your idea which I thought handled the concept not just better from a biological sense, but even the way you approached it with a whole other world with an alternative society to explore, which really elevates the idea imo.

>>11326554
Me but the opposite sex, if I replace my favorite character then I've killed them and why I liked them, if possible I'd prefer to be a girl in her world possibly a friend, I don't want to be Nadeshiko, I want to watch Nadeshiko. If I became her then I'd feel like an imposter possessing her like one of the character's from Date's Medicine to Become Another Person series where they still remember not being the girl or like the person being Fargoth I'd know that they know that I'm not her. Even if I became her and was able to mimic her personality 100% I still wouldn't want it.

>>11326536
My advice would be to indulge that boner and jerk off. Whether its later at home or on the spot right in front of her, I'll leave that for you to decide.

I would also advise getting a girlfriend. I know it's hard, but it helps ground you in real life and separates fetish from reality.

As a fellow skinny boy with a tsf fetish, I understand your pain, though. If she princess carried me, it'd be over.

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What’s this from?

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>If she princess carried me
She has done things like this to me. Picking me up, physically dominating me, ect.
Dudes really fucking think having a tomboy friend is sweet, that shit ain't sweet. Because they've got a gf and you're being eternally teased.

I have a sick mind and wrote a short TF story about uma musume, mostly comedic
https://pastebin.com/m2YU0DTW

>>11326527
>this is just the fucking Omegaverse for himes
Holy shit. I never thought of it when writing this but you've got me dead to rights. Omegaverse for himes is *exactly* what this is. I'm a fraud.
>>11326562
Man, maybe I should go back to this? I have some character concepts, the aforementioned neet turned "perfect" moon, the popular girl he crushed on becoming a "failed sun" in this world because she's short for a solar and not very competitive by nature. There was this other character who was from a foreign culture (another country in this world), who experiences culture clash because suns are supposed to be macho, stoic warriors, and moons are supposed to be completely subservient and have no rights. She's insecure about her large breasts (Lunar coded in her culture but can go either way here), and is deathly afraid she's gay becasue she's attracted to the "failed sun" girl, and alternates between insulting and protecting her. Then I had this moon that ran the media club, the most influential school club among moons. Could be a class-rep or rich ojou type, hadn't decided when coming up with her. Obsessed with Solar-Solar pairings, this world's equivalent of a frothing fujo, but with actual social clout. Thinks she's cultivated the perfect level of lunar nonchalance, but everyone close to her knows she's a disgusting deviant.

Then the there was some other social stuff. Suns in this setting are a mix of jock and theater kid: very performative peacock energy. Online spaces for them are normie as fuck; all curated, inspirational, "There's no I in team!" eye-rolling shit, but with a venomous competitive streak roiling beneath the, "you slay, girl!" vibes. Moons are sexually repressed nerds who strive for modesty and stoicism, while being degenerate freaks behind closed doors. They dominate niche, hobbyist spaces online, and are catty, elitist, passive-aggressive little bitches, but with a sense of community about it.

>>11326647
I mean, it sounds like you've put in a lot.of thought into the whole idea; you've brainstorm at least 4 characters, two from another world and two native so you can do both the "fish out of water" angle and one that you that's more of a "twist on normal story tropes" angle, and since the four all fall into different places in this alternative society, which allows you tonswap between the them ehen you want so the overall story doesn't get too stale. There's the whole alternative biology and society stuff that you've put in a lot of work the plan out (more so than others I've seen) and it seems like there's enough interest here that people would read it.

In fact it sounds like all you really have left to do what you need to do is work out the names and rough 'character sheets' so to speak (age, height, rough backstory, personality types, short term goals, etc.) Of these four, where the whole story is going to take place at, and how the story is going to end (so you don't wind up not knowing how to end it and wind up going off the rails). Also, I'd suggest you go with mainly the ojou-sama type for the media club, those are always fun to have.

>Then the there was some other social stuff.
Seriously man, this is a lot of well, thought out work that you've put into this whole idea, it'd be a real shame if you didn't at least try to get some sort of written work of this world you've created out there. Heck, it might even gain some traction outside of just here considering how that Reverse Gender Moral Manga was pretty successful. Heck, maybe just make the 'character sheets' for your protagonists and see how you feel then.

>>11326554
The latter, mostly for the magical powers that come with it

>>11326525
Assuming that the person remains genetically similar to her prior male form, their own leftover sweat would actually smell particularly bad to them. Women tend to find the smell of genetically distinct people better than that of close relatives, one of a number of evolutionary defenses against inbreeding in humans.

>>11326554
Favourite fictional character. I already know what the fuck I'd look like if I was a woman, I've got a sister and she's just got my face but fatter and more feminine. She's ugly as shit.
Also I'd have to have like some kinda switch mechanism, or else there's no deal. I don't want to be stuck as a woman forever, shit would suck bad. Getting deep into TSF sort of makes you realize being a woman [especially an attractive one] fucking rots.

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Endure teasing.
Stop being friends.
Put it in. <--

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>Getting deep into TSF sort of makes you realize being a woman [especially an attractive one] fucking rots.
Why do you say that? I mean I can think of reasons. But everyone has their own reasons, so I'd like to hear yours.
The thing that would worry me most about becoming a woman permanently, or changing history so I was born as a woman, is the internal psychological changes (even though that's simultaneously the hottest aspect for me). There's just no way I'd be as autistic (in the sense of desiring to deeply pursue specific interests) and ambitious as I am now if I were a woman, and I'd be more sensitive to social pressure as well. Yeah yeah we're all individuals, blah blah blah. But I'm already at the extreme end of the male bell curve for these traits, so if I was a woman they would undoubtedly get toned down a bit. In all likelihood if I were a woman then I would be internally ok with just getting married and caring for my kids and living a quiet unambitious life, which on the one hand is really hot and yet on the other hand it terrifies me.
I'm not really worried about the "how people treat you as a woman" aspect or anything like that, I don't view women's position there as a negative I just view it as a tradeoff, and life's all about tradeoffs.

>>11326729
>being a woman [especially an attractive one] fucking rots
Yeah, sexy women can just never catch a break, amirite?
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>>11326629
Now you're just bragging

Hi Ladies, sorry to bother y'all, just wonndering if anyone had the english PDF of My Masochistic Girlfriend Makes Me Her Bitch and would be willing to share.

The damage trannies did to this fetish genre is massive

>>11326864
Are you under the impression that this genre wasn’t always dominated by self-inserters? Because you’d be wrong.

>>11326864
complaining about trannies in the tranny fetish board, get a life and some estrogen, sis, you'll be happier

don't lump agp with them
personally, I'm ostensibly more into the transhumanism aspect of tsf anyway, so I'm 100% on board with >>11326563
replacement is identity death, and I want be the idealised version of me (female only because of horny, I'd pass if I don't get the QOL from magical/science fiction). gimme the powers and whatever bullshit of my favourite fictional character, but as mememe

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fem version of myself but I get to choose how that looks, mostly so I'm not just my sister but with a slightly different face

ideally:
>5'3
>37/23/36
>32E
>light brown hair
>blue eyes

"why not choose a fictional character if you're making your ideal body"
I want to still be recognizable as a member of my family, just I get my dad's hair and eyes in my new body

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You're not a fraud, and this is way better than Omegaverse shit because there's no furfaggotry, I said that I liked your concept

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so basically it would happen in a body swap, possession, or complete genetic reset, but if it's just a basic transformation from male to female, it'd just smell gross and/or not register for them

>>11326662
I'm seriously considering it now. I have so many ideas for the setting now that I've come back to it; maybe I needed some time away from it to rethink it?
>>11326927
Oh, I didn't take any offense, I just thought it was funny how hard you nailed the concept with your choice of words. Glad to hear it interests you!

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I mean, it seems like to me what you need to do is refine and solidify the main characters and the general storyline you want to tell and figure out if this would be a written story or a drawn comic. I'd personally suggest you just try to decide what the opening of this story is so you have a good starting point and the ending of the story so you have a finishing point to write towards and you don’t wind up like Games of Thrones or something. After that you can just explore the setting through the different main characters until you feel like ending it.

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>maybe I needed some time away from it to rethink it?
I mean, absence makes the heart grow fonder and shit. I guess not thinking about the idea a lot made it fun to imagine about when you came back to it.

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>so basically it would happen in a body swap, possession, or complete genetic reset, but if it's just a basic transformation from male to female, it'd just smell gross and/or not register for them
I would say that's mostly accurate, though with the caveat that women's sense of smell is better than men's and sniffing used workout clothes would still be a turn-off. The most obvious route to go if you wanted to work the concept into a story would be a couple swap where it's pointedly established beforehand that the girlfriend likes the way her boyfriend usually smells, then when he's in her body he gets a whiff of his own lightly worn dress shirt.

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not a manga if you're wondering, just an Elysium x Thorns shipper (@rou_A21 on twitter) doing some TSF for fun, the artist draws a fair amount of yaoi of the two guys too, sadly

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turns out there's more to this image

>>11326647
What sorts of clothes do moons wear? Is it just normal women's skirts and dresses, or do they go full gothic lolita? Or maybe normal clothes for most people, but the gothic lolita is for the trendy and hip?

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There's quite of few into egl, but the classic moon favors a more modern take on the old otome kei styles, so ruffled blouses, knit cardigans, tasteful lace, thin fabrics, long, ankle-length skirts, flats (moons don't wear heels); they favor a flat silhouette typically, and like earth tones and pastels. You've also got cottage-core, soft academia, oversized loungewear and kneehighs when they're lazing around at home. Moons favor understatement and modesty; in their eyes, 'if you're cute, there's no need to embellish, only accent,' and look down on showy, provocative fits. Moons are pretty conservative in dress as a whole and are very autistic about.

Its suns they really get wild with fashion. You've got your typical athleisure and streetwear types, but every flavor of gyaru is found in spades under the sun umbrella. Done up hair, acrylic overlays, midriff baring tops, animal print, night out clubwear, every type of heel imaginable. Then you've got more masculine coded stuff: tailored, military style jackets, slacks, chest wraps instead of bras—or no bra altogether. Suns showing skin is fine; for Moons, it's scandalous. Suns either care very strongly about fashion or are utterly hopeless about it, there's no in-between.

How do you feel about the usual cliches about female sex in TSF stuff? Talking about
>clit+nipples are an instant climax button
>female orgasm is super easy to achieve, especially repeatedly
>cumming as a girl once instantly mindbreaks the former male into a depraved cock addict

It never occurred to me until I started reading girl-to-dickgirl/futa stories and saw how cringe and exaggerated they were, that it might be the same case for this

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I have a big love for breasts and nipples, so i would love it, if the target whose breasts i'm groping or molesting would end up enjoying it. Though instant climax button can get boring, but maybe she is ready to cum from her breasts getting handled for several minutes and toying with her clit ends up being the finishing move is my favorite.

On other end what i dislike is whenever a female character bitching about the behaviour of the males but ends up being the same or worse once they grow a futa dick.

But yeah these stuffs might be repeated too much and it's understandable if some feel like it's cringe like isekais where the story is about MC's useless power but oh wow super stats or the ability is not useless afterall. Sometimes you just want to see something slightly different or new

>>11327431
Generally I feel it's unrealistic, but that's also part of the appeal of it, since I'm not into the fetish for any finding in reality. It can be a pretty hot idea if the transformation into something clearly attractive came with the blessing, or curse, of it being unimaginably pleasurable, to the point where it's an addiction. However I know if I were to ever experience a female orgasm irl I know it would easily kill the fetish almost right away out of disappointment.

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It's fine, especially if the guy the mc is fucking is either very experienced or was a woman who also got genderswapped.

What I fucking despise is the "uh-oh my new body has a super high libido and I have no choice but to become a gigaslut!" Can it be done well? Yes, but most times it's just a needless explanation for why the MC wants to have sex and takes me a little out of the story because anyone who's interacted with women knows they only get like that for a few days right before their period. In my opinion, it's better to have them struggle against the fact they have a normal level of attraction for the opposite sex in their new body. Like the MC looking at his roommate(s)/friend(s) and focusing on details about their bodies that he suddenly finds attractive.

You could even still have the "super horny" trope, but put it right before the stock period chapter. Another interesting thing about ovulation is that a lot of women find it stressful and some even find it painful, so you could include that too.

I understand a lot of people just want TSF hentai they can quickly crank their shit to, but I'm tired of seeing the same shit over and over again man. I'd take the accidental incest stuff over the "high libido" trope at this point.

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Fuck it. I wrote a little something with the Sun and Moon setting in mind, just the opening bit though. Might write more if people think it's worth continuing.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y_PjrPXj2o4mhopAq7r8LFDVBk4z50nztNwMWxI-pHs/edit?usp=sharing

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Yeah I think getting genderswapped irl would just fucking kill it for me. I'd jerk off once and that'd be it.
Even if your hot and get to live life on easy mode, you get to deal with creepers and almost no guy ever wanting to be friends with you outside of you being hot and wanting to bang you.
This is the series of events that would take place:
>"Oh fuck yeah, this is so hot, I'm gonna go jack off!"
>Jerk off
>"That was... Disapointing. Uh, how do I turn back...?"
>No way to turn back. Simply turn into a depressed tomboy with extremely masculine mannerisms and interests. All your friends also now want to fuck you.
>Your sexuality didn't magically change so you're just weirded out by this now.
Dude I kinda need a TSF series that just does this, hyper realistic and uncomfortable story about an fetishist getting to experience his fantasy and just becoming depressed and sad.

>>11327807
Anon, you had my interest before, but with this delivery you have my full attention. It's a pretty well written opening, and I'd like to see what happens next.

>>11327819
there was a comedy with a similar premise where a fetishist did all the typical tsf things and weirded out his friends with how he acted

>anon gets TSF'd
>instead of finding the cure, he keeps drinking the girlification potion to gain even more curves
>get's addicted to it, but he may not notice that yet
Damn i love stuffs like these. As much as i wish to be able to transform others. I also enjoy watching them doing these stuffs to themselfes. Like walking into a trap or drinking a potion. Or a reality altering up to give themselfes some stupidly fanservicy body.

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>“Honey, what on earth is a dick?
Alright, you've intrigued me with the idea and I want to know more. Also, when the MC says large mounds does she mean something like this size, or.is it more like what a Himura Kiseki character looks like.

>>11327431
I usually pick up TSF works to fap so I can't really get what I want without superficial and dramatic shortcuts like that. There's no way around it without spending time I don't want to spend on setup.

>>11327431
>>clit+nipples are an instant climax button
>>female orgasm is super easy to achieve, especially repeatedly
All of it is awful, it immediately kills my boner and makes me assume that the author doesn't know how women work.
>>11327819
A lot of this stuff is right up my alley.
>almost no guy ever wanting to be friends with you
It's true, male friendships would immediately get way harder.
Women can have very close friendships with each other but at the same time there's a bigger risk of catty drama and it's easier for their friendships to fall apart over minor issues.
Basically it's a lot easier for women to have a wide circle of acquaintances but deep close friendships might be harder.
>Simply turn into a depressed tomboy with extremely masculine mannerisms and interests.
Yes I need this, really tired of all the "and then he became a blonde 32E cup bimbo" stories. It's really hot to me to think about the guy changing JUST enough to be female. He's not all that different and yet his body is clearly undeniably female. Like you can almost forget about it and then you look down at your crotch and it's like, oh right, that's gone...
>Your sexuality didn't magically change so you're just weirded out by this now.
That's the only part where my own fetishes are different. I can like yuri TSF in some limited contexts but overall the real money shot for me is when the turnee realizes she's crossed the line into truly being a woman in mind, body, and soul. Which means accepting that only men can sexually satisfy her now and women just can't do that for her anymore.
The story could still do the whole "creeped out by former friends wanting to fuck you" thing though because even straight women just generally have a harder time feeling attracted to men than vice versa. Even if you instantly turned into a straight female, you'd probably "friendzone" most of your current friends, and if they started hitting on you your reaction wouldn't be all that different from now.

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My mental picture of her is very similar to Noa Saotome, but without the pink in her hair. Make of that what you will

>>11327819
>Dude I kinda need a TSF series that just does this, hyper realistic and uncomfortable story about an fetishist getting to experience his fantasy and just becoming depressed and sad.
Interesting. Despite consuming a fuckton of genderbend stuff over the decades, I've never seen anything about a guy *willingly* becoming a girl and then later regretting it, except for maybe picrel.

For some reason, becoming a girl is near-universally considered an "upgrade" in TSF fiction, unless the TF itself comes saddled with a additional downside such as IQ loss, weight gain, bodyswapping into a stranger in some impoverished country, etc.

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You have excellent taste anon.

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Okay, here's some bones of an idea.
>Loser shmuck is shamefully looking at some TSF content alone in his room, falls asleep wondering if jerking off as a woman really feels as good as they make it sound.
>Suddenly he's burning hot, wakes up in a panic.
>He's a very attractive blonde woman, same age as him, barely any resemblance outside of the messy, curly, poofy hair he now has.
>Immediately freaks out, before becoming overwhelmed with lust and jerks off, indulging in his fantasy.
>Immediately underwhelmed by how boring it was after moaning and grunting like a slut. Still thinks it was hot.
>Sloooowly starts to realize that he's not magically changing back, and this is reality. He's got an entire life to live, and he's now stuck as a very attractive woman which looks nothing like him.
>Next day, massive drama with family, he's dragged off to a hospital.
>BS where they reveal there's some hyper rare metamorphasis that can occur within humans that's kept under wraps that only affects people specifically with an AGP fetish.
>His entire family now also knows that he's into the idea of being a girl.
>At this point he just wants to go back to being a guy.
>Slowly begins to breakdown as little by little his fantasy is torn apart, from dealing with a female body, to missing his own pathetic body.
>His older sister is the only family member who doesn't ostrasize him, and helps him out.
>He decides to tell his friend group what happened.
>Most of his male friends now make sexual jokes around him.
>Playing videogames with a fellow nerd.
>"...Dude, you gotta put something more on other than the tanktop'n boxers you're wearing."
>"Why?"
>"You're fucking teasing me man! I can't focus! You're acting like a fucking tease!"
>No longer feels safe or comfortable around any of his male friends, struggles to connect with women.
>Constantly gets told that he's wasting his looks by acting like a tomboy by people who met him post-transformation.

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I gotta say, anon. I like the way this sucks.

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Thanks, I might actually flesh this out into a real story.
Didn't have enough room but it'd probably include him connecting with a distant friend, a tomboyish girl who almost transistioned to a man when she was younger, and very much can relate and support him.
>She's only being as nice as she is to him now because he now looks extremely attractive and she's into women.
>She knows this and feels guilty about it, and so does the MC who uses her as his main source of comfort, as she treats him like his regular self.
Other than that I have some ideas of more deconstructing tropes
>His goth friend takes him out shopping, decides to have some fun with the situation.
>He's kinda into it because of the "fantasy" of doing this sort of thing hasn't been totally killed yet. Tomboy-friend also tags along.
>He just ends up feeling very uncomfortable in the clothes they pick out for him, says he likes them anyway.
>Suprisingly both of them seem to pick up on the fact he's not at all comfortable with wearing revealing/feminine clothes, and say it's fine, we can stop ect. Sorry for dragging you out here.
>Tomboy encourages him to have more of a backbone.
I think that'd be his main character flaw, he just takes the path of least resistance, even before he was a woman. People can sense that, especially one of his old male friends who knew him before he got TF'd.
>"Come on bro, let's hang out!"
>"Seriously?! Haha, okay! We never used to really- Uh, do that a lot..."
>"Come on, you've been playing vidya at [nerds] house, you can hang with me for a little bit!"
His evil ass friend would probably just play into his insecurities to leer at him or try to get in his pants, which would probably lead to not a hot sex scene, but a full emotional breakdown as he realizes one of his oldest friends is actively trying to fuck him.
>Ending
Probably he just turns back to normal after a year and completely loses his TSF fetish.
>Cuts out his shitty friends from his life.

>>11328540
>boring
>>11328558
>deconstructing tropes
>not a hot sex scene
>Probably he just turns back to normal after a year and completely loses his TSF fetish.
I can't masturbate to any of that, but you do you.

>>11328558
>His evil ass friend would probably just play into his insecurities to leer at him or try to get in his pants, which would probably lead to not a hot sex scene, but a full emotional breakdown as he realizes one of his oldest friends is actively trying to fuck him.

This reminds me of a story that had a neat premise (guy gets a do-over starting from childhood, but in the body of a girl, but him being born as a girl caused a whole bunch of butterfly effect stuff) but the author skipped to college for no good reason and turned it into a rape fantasy because "uh-oh, turns out his friend from college was actually working for a human trafficking ring and now MC-kun is getting gang-banged by a bunch of strangers in a basement." Hope you don't fuck it up when you write the scene.

>Probably he just turns back to normal after a year and completely loses his TSF fetish.

I can play devil's advocate for the "I like the way this sucks" shit, even though I'm not a fan of misery porn, but this is just gay. Like admit you're writing a story to try and convince TSF fans our fetish is "shit" or stop wasting our time.

>>11328558
Some of these are really good but if you go too far on the negativity without any upside then you just reproduce the same problems that the tropey TSF stories have, but in the opposite direction.
Like it ends up sounding like feminist propaganda, like it’s trying to make some point about irl troons or it’s trying to convince people that being a woman is only awful with no benefits at all. You don’t want to do that. (Or maybe you do want to do that, in which case fuck you.)
I wouldn’t enjoy a story unless it had at least one good sex or masturbation scene, but if this is what gets you off then go for it.

>>11328671
The funniest thing is most ftm troons report that their life genuinely gets worse post-op and that they have to actively present more feminine to not lose all their friends. They even bring up the obvious fact that men in general are only liked in the way you like a convenient hammer, and any emotion leads to them getting berated.

>>11328671
Yeah you're right, I'd probably change the ending and dial it back a bit. I was thinking it was a bit too much.

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I think the natural ending would be that, while he eventually gets used to living as a woman, maybe has some positive character growth (developing a backbone, making proactive and constructive life choices and working towards the future), by the end he's masturbating to the thought of being a man again. He's come full circle, with the fantasy now inverted - the grass is always greener, etc. (though maybe he recognizes now that he's only masturbating to a fantasy of manhood, since he knows from experience that it isn't the reality of being a man, and so he has a healthier relationship to the fetish).

>>11328732
Yeah I'm sure it's partially my own bias talking, but FTMs seem to have more regrets in the sense of "oh, some parts of being a man kinda suck".
The main regrets that MTFs experience is that they're men in dresses and are often treated as such, but if they CAN pass and actually get treated like a woman then they mostly seem to be really happy with it.

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>any emotion leads to them getting berated.
>They didn't know
Yeah, that patch of grass sure ain't greener. Kind of surprising that wouldn't come up in therapy or something though.

>>11328732
I actually know a FTM.
He’s cool

getting real tired of trannys positing their fetishized dysphoria here desu people wana jack off not read your inner psychosis

>>11328828
I don't think this would work, also why would you do it that way round and suck cock instead of the other way round and eat pussy?

>>11328929
>I don't think this would work
That's a whole lot of dick bend required, yeah. Better if you could rotate one portal 180°.
>why would you do it that way round
I'd end up doing it both ways regardless.

>>11328915
I agree. Please don't include this type of stuff here.

>>11327819
Honestly I'd like to see both that and the opposite as well, even if it makes no sense
>Guy has a TSF fetish but hates it
>Blames it for distracting him and thinks getting rid of it would make him normal
>Thinks experiencing it will make it become boring as it would kill the mystery of it all
>Plot contrivance fairy shows up and says she can make a doujin scenario real, and stop it if he really wants
>Decides to go with a "suddenly transform into a girl and have sex with friend" scenario to kill any possibility of "well maybe masturbation sucks for girls and sex is where it's really at"
>Fairy agrees and says it'll start as soon as both of them enter his bedroom
>Thinks recruiting his friend to do it would be easy because it's free sex
>"No way fag, losing my virginity like that sounds gay"
>Ends up blackmailing him to do it or else he'll reveal his femdom fetish to everyone
>Both of them enter the room, causing the MC to suddenly shape into the perfect TSF heroine, complete with wardrobe malfunction causing her clothes to fall off
>Decides not to feel herself up, awkwardly gets on her knees, and yells at her friend to get it over with, embarrassed at her own squeaky voice
>Friend awkwardly penetrates into her
>MC braces for pain, but instead is met with an alien form of pleasure
>Confused thoughts quickly get drowned out as the alien feeling begins to take over her whole body
>"Just like your doujins right?" fairy says in her head
>Turns out the asshole fairy "fetishized" the experience to match the doujins as well
>Knees buckles as she cums already
>Friend pulls out and asks "Done already? Glad that's over-"
>MC immediately turns around and pushes him over, mounting and rapidly thrusting her hips on top of him like an animal in heat
>Instead of killing the fetish, it made her into a nymphomaniac
>Friend fails to resist as his own fetish becomes realized as well
>"Glad they're both happy!" the fairy says, leaving them to their carnal desires

>>11328176
>All of it is awful, it immediately kills my boner and makes me assume that the author doesn't know how women work.
Well, how DOES it work then?

>>11327819
>Dude I kinda need a TSF series that just does this, hyper realistic and uncomfortable story about an fetishist getting to experience his fantasy and just becoming depressed and sad.
Pic related captures that spirit somewhat. They all get to be cute girls, but they get heavily depressed with the attention they get from other disgusting doods. Some more so than others. [spoiler]Two of them even revert back in the end [/spoiler]

>>11329219
On average women take longer to get wet and reach orgasm. Especially if they’re using fingers only. Although in many cases women can get there quite fast with vibrators and other objects.
The first thing a TSF’d guy would notice about masturbation as a woman is how long it takes to get fully wet and how much warmup is needed to even get one finger in the pussy comfortably. And yet I’ve seen precisely zero stories ever mention this.

>>11329389
I can think of three, one by Ronna, the Onimai one by Suzusimo, and OnegaiiTSF by Yaminabe. Ronna has the MC immediately try it only to find it painful and stop then get into the whole warmup, Suzusimo has Mahiro rely on Mihari for it as he doesn't know what he's doing and hurts himself at first and Yaminabe quickly glosses over it after a public toilet scene.

>>11329219
>>11329389
>>11329398
Kinda related, but Cradle made a cap a while back where the MC post-TSF ends up still having the same fantasies, just on the receiving end. I'd love to see a longer story where the MC tries masturbating in his new body while looking at the same porn as before, but his mind wanders and keeps self-inserting as the girl instead.

TSF is the outlandish fantasy about girls having empathy.

>>11329420
that's why they're the best, it's like how monstergirls are only monsters on the outside

>>11329420
>>11329422
That artist in particular is great for that angle.

>listen to ASMR
>this shows up in my recs
How did the algorithm know?

>>11329428
the art is so good but there's no good TLs of it

>>11329420
I don't actually get what you mean.
The only girl who could have empathy for guys is one that was a guy herself?

>>11329450
No, it’s that women, due to the way they’re raised, the way their brains function, and the way society treats them; are very rarely capable of empathy.

See: the issues FtM trans face when they realize they know nothing about what being a man is like, especially ones lower on the value chart. Now, women don’t have super easy lives in EVERY way, of course not, and probably not in most ways. But they do take for granted the benefits they receive and often can’t seem to understand that no, the world doesn’t care about your feelings, and won’t give you attention even if you’re above average. My own mother has this issue, saying that older women are invisible, and I have to bite my tongue to not always try and explain that that’s the attention average guys get, and that the bottom ~20% of men aren’t even people to many women.

But put a man’s brain into that, and suddenly we have a character that knows, at least academically, what being less than human is like. We have someone who has suffered and can use their ‘powers’ for good.

>>11329458
Please share more your blog oh ravenous incel.

Did anyone else here also get oneshot by AI?
>Be me, hear about AI in like 2024
>After a little while of half-heartedly messing around with a few models and realizing why people spent so much time using them, realize they can do an TF RP very, very well.
>Become hopelessly addicted to C.AI because it's literally a perfect roleplay partner for my fetish
>Quit cold turkey until I hear about janitor ai
>Get so horny that I hook up deepseek via a proxy.
>I barely look at TSF porn anymore outside of some manga I like to read, the AI is just that fucking good.
While it is amazingly good it's making me a bit worried about the future of artificial intelligence, or if someone ever finds my chats I'd probably kill myself.
>Caption about an AI busting into my home and TFing someone as revenge for using their vast intelligence soley for porn.

>>11329467
Talking with an AI feels like trying to tickle yourself. I don’t get the point at all. Without that edge of knowing you’re reading the words of another human mind, how could I even get turned on?
It could only be good if I was tricked into thinking I was talking to a person instead of an AI, and it would have to be realistic enough that I didn’t get suspicious.

>>11329458
>women, due to the way they’re raised, the way their brains function, and the way society treats them; are very rarely capable of empathy.
It cuts both ways. Everyone has a bias towards having more empathy for people who are similar to themselves and less empathy for people who are less similar to themselves. Men have a harder time empathizing with issues that are specific to women as well.
>My own mother has this issue, saying that older women are invisible, and I have to bite my tongue to not always try and explain that that’s the attention average guys get, and that the bottom ~20% of men aren’t even people to many women.
And this is a perfect example of that. A woman's source of value is her body. When she's old and her primary source of value is permanently lost then it's understandable that she would be upset about that.
Men have a lower floor, they are born with no value at all, but the flip side of that is that men have the power to MAKE themselves more valuable through their actions. A loser man might have no value now, but he always has the opportunity to attain it later. Being a man is high risk, high reward. Men themselves understandably get hung up on the 'risk' part, while women are jealous of men for the 'reward' part. It's all a matter of what your perspective is.
I think the men who are attracted to TSF are the ones who on some level don't like the "high risk high reward" bargain and would rather live a life with less risk and a guaranteed (smaller) reward.

>>11329467
I've messed about with a few AI text generation models but they seem to always get stuck on one idea or detail they force into everything and I have to kick them and force them to shut up about it. Ends up being annoying and unstatisfying, there's also almost no end to the story so I was starting new story after new story largely treading the same story beats. I've gone back to reading manga and using my imagination elsewhere. I did also try some TSF games and whilst I like some a lot are too reptitive and a grind for me to enjoy that much. Maybe if I tried AI image generation it would be another rabbit hole compared to text generation.
>>11329477
Don't know about anon's but the ones I was using allowed for the AI to generate unprompted to continue the story, I could still edit what it was saying, put things into the story for it to develop and give it prompts but, sometimes it would just ignore those.

>>11329467
I went in deep on both character.ai and spicychat for TSF stuff but they just get stale. You start noticing all the same turns of phrase and spending more time steering the scenario where you want than actually engaging in it. I've not touched it in months but it put like an 18 month black hole in my own smut writing because I stopped getting an idea and going "I should write something around that" and instead would go "I should make a bot to RP that".

>>11329477
>>11329490
>>11329495
NTA but starting to use deepseek fixed a lot of problems with LLM RP for me. Example, janitor ai LLM and default LLMs on other sites had really low context (leading to the stuck on one detail part) and important for TF, didn't really surprise you. Deepseek sometimes comes up with interesting things and is better at moving the plot, and is way easier that sifting through RP requests with randos.

>>11329498
Original anon here, this guy gets it. He's right, janitorLLM and spicychat are kinda shit and I only used them for a bit.
What you guys want to do is hook up DEEPSEEK to janitorai, specifically R1. It's fucking great, like genuinely really good to the point where I hit the fucking 200 message limit in one day.
It takes a lot of time to do but trust me it's so fucking worth it, absolutely blows the other AIs out the water, and like the other anon said, it's got good memory.

>>11329458
You sound like the mfer from Tanin ni Naru Kusuri 5

>>11329467
i use paid deepseek with janai and it's on another level. i don't look at any of my normal fap sites or anything other than here and the body swap thread, nothing else even comes close anymore since manga comes out so slow and tfgames is a fucking crapshoot 99% of the time. it's not even the erotic writing for me, it just comes up with novel scenarios sometimes for me that I didn't realize I liked. i had an office lady tf that was just so fucking hot god damn. anyway, thats my ted talk.

>>11329607
What deepseek model do you use brother?
Asking for a friend

>>11329635
i use openrouter and only use the Friendli model or however its spelt, and I have the rest blocked. it is consistently good but you have to prime your first message with shit like:
[Describe everything in my perspective as [my name], in second person. Write like a novel, and not like a chat bot. Do not emphasize words or use bold at all. All text will be italics and use * for everything. Use * for all dialog as well. Do not title or give headings to each paragraph. Do not limit the reply length. Make the reply as long as possible.]

>>11329467
I don't get why people use any other Chat UI that isn't SillyTavern.
Shits free, customisable UI, has plugins, use pretty much any AI model with it, could use images gen or tts if you want.
I gave it a NovelAI key, and now I can generate images by pressing a button.
>story takes us on the train
>generate a background
>background of ST swaps image that was generated

Would also note that R1 is slow for RP/story stuff. It's a reasoning model, so it thinks with every single input you give it before writing anything.
Putting liker $5 into OpenRouter or DeepSeek itself and using their APIs will last and DeepSeek has off-peak hours, so using it then is even cheaper. If using OpenRouter you want to make sure you set it up use the providers you want so you avoid the rip off models.

Basically set up the AI, pick the providers you like the most, then uncheck fallback providers.

>>11329638
>Use paid deepseek
Doesn't that mean you gotta top it up with cash every few hundered messages?
Or is there some subscription service openrouter offers?

>>11329647
for me, each message is like a penny or so. i also dont do long rp sessions, I usually just find an interesting scenario and have it reroll and get it started then restart. the longer the rp goes the more memory and the more each reply goes.

>>11329647
DeepSeek is cheap as fuck. If you use the API directly during off-peak you get a discount.
Looking it up off-peak is UTC 16:30-00:30, 50% off for chat (v3) and 75% off for reasoning (R1).

Even then, OpenRouter has a dozen providers you can pick from.

>>11329485
>Everyone has a bias towards having more empathy for people who are similar to themselves and less empathy for people who are less similar to themselves.
Actually, men have an out-group bias toward women, one of the very few cases where that's true. The only other one I can even think of offhand is that white progressives have an out-group bias toward non-white people.

>>11329485
>I think the men who are attracted to TSF are the ones who on some level don't like the "high risk high reward" bargain and would rather live a life with less risk and a guaranteed (smaller) reward.
Pretty much, yeah. I also would like to compliment women platonically without being seen as a creep. The only way to do that is to either be a woman or dress like a stereotypical gay man. Then there's the obvious "forbidden fruit" aspect to it of wanting to know what sex and shit is like for women.

>>11329458
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth.

Does anyone have any recommendations for more romantic/less rapey stuff? Still nsfw obviously. I like it when they have actual chemistry

>>11329458
This is also basic evolution.

Men are expendable, women and children are not. Supply of males must outstrip demand for males by design.

>>11329889
Humans have extreme sexual dimorphism too

How about we go back to talking about good old what's your fetish instead of all this, or generally what would you wanna do or try if you got turned into a girl?

You're given the chance to turn into a girl completely on your own terms with no downside, you can turn back whenever you like, you can choose what you look like as a girl, you can automatically download info to your brain that can only be used as a girl (instant mental and or physical training in anything), you can even split yourself into as many different copies of yourself that are still you as you like that can also turn into girls if you want multiple people.
For location, you're in an infinitely sized empty room that you can change the look and setting of however you like. There's an endless wardrobe available for immediate use containing every possible set and variation of clothing possible in every possible size, and an endless catalogue of every single possible inanimate item and object so you can have any items you want.
Rules: Only you can enter it, you can only turn into a girl while you're in this place, and you can only leave it as your single original male body with anything you brought with you. Think of it as a virtual reality experience that's 1:1 to life and just for you as that's effectively what it's like.

What do you do with this power? What do you try?

>>11330086
Am I able to record anything in this room? If not viewable from outside the room, at least from somewhere else inside of it? Honestly first idea that comes to mind is using it to turn myself into the girl I want to draw and use my new self as reference for drawings.

>>11330086
>turn into a girl
>split yourself into as many different copies of yourself
>infinitely sized empty room that you can change the look and setting of
>endless wardrobe
>What do you do with this power?
Just imagine being able to act out endless erotic roleplaying scenarios with a partner who will always know exactly what you're going for and respond perfectly. You're the sexy teacher and the class full of naughty girls are also you. You're the sexy nurse and the nymphomaniac patient needing "treatment." You're the trio of secretaries desperate for a job and the sexy female executive who needs to "interview" them. Literally the only problem is that you'd need to set yourself some boundaries like only one scenario per visit to ensure that you go back to the real world instead of losing your goddamn mind from pleasure.

>>11329889
If males are expendable, why are (half-ish) of children not expendable?

>>11330130
Males are expendable, not worthless. You're supposed to expend them on something. Male children nGeed to grow up before they can be expended.

>>11330086
>generally what would you wanna do or try if you got turned into a girl?
Besides the obvious, right?

Honestly it depends on how pleasurable/comfortable being a girl feels. It's possible to spend the rest of my life exploring the seemingly-infinite permutations of bodies, clothes, and sexy scenarios, wasting away like Narcissus of myth. Or maybe the novelty wears off after a month and you just use the Knov dimension mostly as storage space, or to avoid paying rent.
Thought about >>11330127, but desu how satisfying can it be if all the girls are still ultimately "you"? Wouldn't that be like RPing in an empty forum, more or less?

>>11330151
>Thought about >>11330127, but desu how satisfying can it be if all the girls are still ultimately "you"? Wouldn't that be like RPing in an empty forum, more or less?
Unless I misread the original setup, presumably you wouldn't be working as a hive mind, you'd be separating your consciousness into independent vessels and then coming back together when done to remember the experience from all those different perspectives. From the point of view in the moment, all of those split (You)s would appear to be other people who just so happened to know you with perfect intimacy.

>>11330130
>>11330138
male children actually die more frequently than female children, and iirc when times are harsher, more boys are born than girls

>>11330086
ngl I'd use it to create my OCs and act out stories with them for later use when writing. I'd get perfect descriptions, get the cadence and accents down, and I'd also get to see what makes sense and what doesn't, story-wise. I genuinely think that running around in my fictional worlds as a female character would be addictive, especially when I want to do erotic stuff with my characters.

One thing I'd definitely do is all the TSF plot ideas I have, too. If I can make time move faster in the infinite room, then I'd start doing TSF plots like picrel, where I transform into a woman and have to live like that for several years. I might even change myself into a child and live out a whole life as a woman if I had complete control over the flow of time.

>>11330086
I would open my own online porn emporium.

>>11330117
>Am I able to record anything in this room?
No, the only thing that comes out is what you brought into it and beyond that pure information in your head only. For example you could go in, create a clone of yourself, turn the clone into a girl, have the clone learn some subject instantly, have her tutor you said subject, then leave. The knowledge you gained from the learning process you'd get to keep, but your possessions like your clothes etc leave exactly as they entered.

>Besides the obvious, right?
I was going to say, that, but decided to leave it out.

>Unless I misread the original setup, presumably you wouldn't be working as a hive mind, you'd be separating your consciousness into independent vessels and then coming back together when done to remember the experience from all those different perspectives.
Honestly I'm not sure how it'd work, I left it open to viewer interpretation just in case somebody has a rather specific fantasy or something but yes that's realistically how it'd work.

>>11330233
>I would open my own online porn emporium.
Best you'd be able to do on that front is use it for inspiration and then draw it from memory after you leave.

>>11330086
The scenario doesn't hold much appeal. The hot bit about TSF for me is how it changes how you interact with the world/other people and there's none of that to this. I mean I'd still take the offer and go masturbate as various waifus but it's not the sort of thing that really gets me going.

>>11329760
https://e-hentai.org/g/3307873/a3e0839189/
not super romantic but not rapey either

>>11330261
yeah that's pretty much the only benefit is you can do wish fulfillment stuff but it's all being made up by you, no different than fantasizing about being turned into a girl and jerking off to said fantasy

>>11330086
I'd give it a try but at the end of the day its like a holodeck, I guess I could do some advanced self-inserting into my favorite doujins.

>>11330086
Like the other anon says, it's just a holodeck.
ALTERNATIVE QUESTION FOR STAR TREK NERDS:
If you were crew on a ship with a state of the art holodeck that could generate anything, change how your body looked, even temporarily alter your mind ect, would you use it for your depraved fucked up fantasies.
>The door can be locked.
>Your history CAN be looked at, however only by technicians, and it's unlikely they'll peer at you unless you're under suspision for doing something weird.

>"Engineer Anon. Would you care to illuminate to me as why you've been spending two hours every shift being ruthlessly fucked as a virtual avatar of a woman? Please, at least keep it to only one hour per shift."

>>11330086
I'd use so many toys, do some lewd anime girl lookalike role playing with myself with girls of different types, it'd be great. I think I'd whip up a tentacle pit, male and female me could have fun with that.

>>11330370
I'm going full Barclay, yes.

>>11330370
>Computer, generate setting: 1990s japan, train car, peak rush hour.
>Set my avatar to the following: Japanese highschooler of the Gyru subtype. Long, messy blonde hair, D cup breasts, slim waist, wide hips.
>Increase my libido by a hundred percent, and reduce my intelligence accordingly to what would be expected of a woman such as her.
>Lock all doors for the next two hours, oh, and computer?
>Disengage all safety protocols.
>If someone forces their way in? Iniate self destruct sequence alongside my immediate spontanious combustion into a pile of gore.

>>11330086
Given that, once I have gotten the standard masturbation, trying on a slew of outfits and trying a cornucopia of sex positions and varieties to find out exactly what feels best both from the male and female perspective, there's one particular thing I am interested in trying:
I would dress one of my female selves in full ballet ensemble like pic related, get full knowledge and movements and so on of Ballet injected into her head and then dance out a lengthy and technical Ballet solo as a control. Once I had done that, I would add in two remote control vibrators and repeat the same routine with the vibes set to the lowest setting and keep repeating it each time with one notch higher to see if I can still pull it off or if and when it would become too difficult to continue, I am incredibly curious how it would go and how far I would get.
It does not even have to be Ballet it just has to be something that's demanding on precise physical control of your own movements like Ballet, Ice Figure Skating, many types of Gymnastics or Cheerleading, I cannot think of any other good ones right now but Ballet seems like the best choice, there is no reason why I would not do all of them while I'm al it.

After that and trying out a few doujin scenarios or whatever I would probably mostly use it for training myself, since I can do that and my female self would be the perfect teacher possible.

>>11330370
Gene Roddenberry was a libertine and it's canon that people use holodecks/holosuites to get off because the sexual mores of the Federation are very loose. Every time Riker got cockblocked he went to the holodeck and the holosuites at Quark's had programs called Vulcan Love Slave and Pleasure Goddess of Rixx. Nobody would care if you turned into a woman while you were in there, either. Barclay was only negatively judged because he was spending all of his free time in the holodeck and the programs used the likenesses of his fellow crew.
That said, I probably wouldn't go near a holodeck for any purpose other than official business. Those fucking things keep going haywire, especially during entertainment programs.

>>11330011
We actually don't, relative to most other mammals.
>>11330130
If you're gonna ask that kind of retarded question, why not send half of all young boys to war with the men?

>>11330130
>If males are expendable, why are (half-ish) of children not expendable?

Because there is still a tiny bit of decency left in society. And before you mock me for saying this, consider the moral outrage over the concept of child soldiers or the fact that even harden criminals hate child molesters.

>>11330130
I forgot to mention the difference between little boys and men. It's the fact that society sees men as having power and agency and women and children have neither. Because of this, men are not pitied when they fall. They're just losers. Our perceived invulnerability is a weakness and female perceived weakness is a strength.

Almost no country (IIRC, Israel is the exception) drafts women. A woman will tend to get a lighter prison sentence for the same crime as men even if they are equal partners in crime. Women, because they have to be taken care of, get the lion's share of the assets in divorce...and child support...and alimony...and sole custody of the child. No, not all women are backstabbing gold diggers (most aren't), but goddammit, the system sure as hell bends over backwards to help the ones that are.

Young boys are still seen as helpless so they get some protection in society while men are on their own.

>>11328540
No thanks. I think I will stick with my slutty cock-thirsty MtF TG who gets gangbanged by a gorillion dicks only to beg for more like the shameless whore that she is.

>>11330604
>We actually don't, relative to most other mammals.
Compared many other primates, that's true. Apes especially. Mammals in general we're in the middle of the pack. Hyenas, a bunch of rodents, rabbits, bats, and a lot of other species show practically no differences between males and females at all.

>>11330370
>Your history CAN be looked at, however only by technicians, and it's unlikely they'll peer at you unless you're under suspision for doing something weird.
You're forgetting that the Holodeck ALWAYS malfunctions. Maybe that happens less frequently if you're not a main character, but all it takes is one time. Then someone notices you're gone a little too long, and once they see what you've been up to (and maybe get caught up in the malfunctioning scenario) then you're required to spend many gruelling sessions with the ships counselor along with having Holodeck privileges revoked

getting a little meta here

The first TSF story I ever wrote was Riding Regina, in which a man is unwillingly turned into a woman so he can star in a porno movie:
https://tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=7829
A year ago I released the sequel Regina Rides Again, where the same situation arises with the man's co-worker in tow, who is much more enthusiastic about the whole thing:
https://tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=7993
Now I've written the third and possibly final episode Regina Rides into the Sunset, where the protagonist might finally have the chance to turn the tables:
https://tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=8570
Next up is another chapter of Zodiac Magical Girl Ophiuchus.

>>11330715
"Ensign Anon, why did you use the holodeck to pretend to be Lieutenant Commander Femanon having a train run on her by the whole crew?"

>>11330724
>theaream_restinpeace
He died?

what are your thought on Identity Death in TSF?

>>11330894
It's demeaning so it's hot.

>>11330894
Depends, if it's instant, then it's fucking gay and a total turn-off. At that point, you’re just reading a normal girl getting fucked.

However, if it's gradual and the MC has to fight it off then it's hot. I like it when it goes from "maybe guys are kinda hot" to "oh fuck I'm acting way too feminine" to "whose memories are these?" to "I don't know who I was before" to full identity death where they don't even consider the possibility of being another person before. I'd prefer ID be kept to twinning stuff though.

>>11330903
I would like to add that Identity Death with body swaps is also "fine" but I prefer a personality change than full identity death for "darker" swaps like that.

>>11330834
"You see ma'am, there I was about to enjoy a nice, relaxing few hours fixing up an old world car in the holodeck, when... BARCLEY'S old program- You know how he was, activated."
>"A glitch in the system led to me taking the role of femanon. I'm recovering quite well from that terrible incident, however I assure you - What happened in that holodeck? I dream of it often."

>>11330894
complete identity death is worthless mindsnuff

partial ID is fine - losing some bits of personality or memory, gaining others, reacting to the changes, all that is a great

Obviously the second one is harder

>>11330910
This man gets it, partial ID fucks hard. The cultured man's choice.

>>11330894
The threat of it is great, and the fight against is great. A lot of the time it is a lazy cap off though

In the spirit of ID and the hypothetical posting:
>weeb scientists invent magitech that can TSF people to their specifications
>they are using it to Make Waifus Real
>snatched off the side of the road one day, dumped back in the body of <insert waifu> days later
>you're not the first, authorities explain what you're in for
>your mind is currently your own, but is inclined to 'slip' towards thinking like the character
>you can shake the feeling if you concentrate, but they tend to creep up on you; you might not notice you've been thinking more and more like her for hours because it happens so gradually
>you need to stay aware of this, because if you act on these slips by actually DOING stuff in character, they become more frequent and harder to shake, and your 'baseline' shifts closer and closer to her
>bigger personality shifts are easier to spot and resist, but if a character is quite similar to you anyway the process is much more difficult to stall
>worse, giving in feels good. It's easy to justify small changes that add up in time. Fighting the urge to dress in full cosplay 24/7 is difficult, but maybe you start dressing like a girl to dull that itch, then before long, like a "casual alt art" design of the character without even realising; that's just the sort of outfits you feel comfy in now...
>your memories are safe, but keep slipping and eventually you'll be indistinguishable in personality and behaviour to her as well as in body

When you look in the mirror and see who they've turned you into, who are you hoping to see? How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to or the main girl of the last media you consumed?

(I have three drafts of a story based on this in various states, a 2nd person one in which (You) become Megumin, a 3rd person take in which a protag who doesn't know her is scrambling to research her so he can actually pick up on the changes, and a one where the protag does knows but very much does not want to be Ui from BA).

>>11330734
Looking forward to more Magical Girl adventures. I've been thinking of doing more fanart

>>11330991
>How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to or the main girl of the last media you consumed?

>Taiga

Probably pretty fucked, I feel like it'd be difficult to keep her small angry tsundere mannerisms at bay all the time.

>>11330734
As someone who loves pun porn names and wishes they were used more often, this was a amazing trilogy you wrote here, nice work.

>>11330991
>How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to or the main girl of the last media you consumed?
I become one of the horse girls from Umamusume, maybe Special Week which could be horrible. If its my waifu I become Nadeshiko which isn't too bad.

>>11330894
It's completely shit in all forms and severities. TSF should be a fun thing, identity death is not fun.

>>11328841
>he

>>11330991
This isn't /lgbt/
autogynphillia isn't the theme of the thread either

>>11330991
>How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to
Pretty sure I finished to some big titty elf ashamed of her lewd body. Not great, not terrible.
>or the main girl of the last media you consumed?
Columbo's wife? I think I get a pass on that one.

As for who I'd want to be? Assuming I have to be transformed, I wouldn't want to be vapid or moemoe and wouldn't want to be easily identified as a victim of the waifu van, so no crazy features or proportions. The first character to spring to mind is Springfield from Girls' Frontline. I could come up with someone more similar to me in terms of personality, but going peak tradwife ain't bad.

>>11330991
>How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to or the main girl of the last media you consumed?
Damning consequences for watching the gen alpha ADHD brainrot clown show

Personality-wise, she's no different from your average neurotic zillennials anon, so not that bad (provided the TSF doesn't grant me the undying cartoon genital-less body that comes with the character)

>>11331065
The entire point of the thread is sexual fantasies about becoming a woman.

I like using the AI in my TSF stories to call out the trans stuff as evil butchery while simultaneously having a former man with biological female parts/body listen or say it. It’s funny seeing the AI try to reconcile the two opinions since at a glance it’s confusing and contradictory, and goes against their usage terms, but within the confines of the story it’s allowed.

>>11331215
One of my biggest gripes with AI for TSF RP is when it starts having characters talk about "your transition" and other tranny speak in supernatural or sci-fi settings, even if it's very clear it was involuntary. It seems hard wired into them.

>>11331243
they probably didn't do anything special for it to push tranny stuff. an llm is just a pattern matching algorithm at the end of the day so it is probably just looking up conversations matching the "man turns into women" pattern. given that these LLMs have had twitter and reddit pumped into them as training data the niche fetish TG stories are gonna be heavily outweighed by an order of magnitude by troons on social media talking about their transition, so that's what it outputs

>>11330604
I would say a massively different bodystructure and visual difference is a sign of large sexual dimorphism

>>11330086
>conjure female clone with inside knowledge of major corporations and advanced knowledge of world affairs and sporting events
>she conveys this information to me verbally so I retain it once I leave the pocket dimension
>leave pocket dimension
>use information to trade and gamble and become filthy rich

After I finish masturbating, anyway.

>>11331277
I had the same idea, but the prompt is worded more like you'd be able to learn skills rather than pick up any specific insider knowledge. Still useful, just not as directly.

I do wonder if I could use it to get yoked though.
>Go into room
>Make copy of myself
>Make copy into female gym instructor
>Summon up a bunch of high quality equipment
>Work out under expert instruction, get dietary advice
>Post-exercise massage+sex with whoever I felt like for the day
>Leave
If I did that for weeks and months and used any dietary advice recited to me, would I eventually get shredded? It wouldn't be a NEW body I would leave with every day, just a more tired one.

>>11331243
Yeah, it’s the biggest boner killer to go from ‘Oh my god, my delicious bubble butt from turning into a girl has caused my friend to start spanking me, and I’m cumming from it!” To shit like talking about identity or pronouns or feeling affirmed. Gross.

>>11329544
Well that totally vindicates him then because MC in Medicine 5 does become a vapid, hedonistic, pleasure obsessed whore.

>>11331065
A majority of the TSF content out there is sexual fantasies of turning into a woman. There's so little about fucking a TSF'd man that it's a niche within a niche

>>11330991
>How fucked are you if it's the last character you got off to or the main girl of the last media you consumed?

I'm actually completely fine either way with this.

>>11331243
I can't say I've really had that happen.
In NovelAI, I'd put a note about it in either a character lorebook or author's note, and in SillyTavern it's in the persona description as well as the character card description, the card being more of a narration bot than a character.

That reminds me.

>>11329638
Adding that worked well for DeepSeek. The old way I did it just didn't work for newer AIs, and I had to keep going like "write me blah blah blah", this just takes what I put in more like an instruction which is close enough to storytelling for me.

>>11331362
No wonder there are so many trannies coming here or people suddenly believing they themselves are trans after gooning to this fantasy too much.

I'm more interested in seeing others transformed, I guess its because of sadism.
Also the other way around, women turned into a guy... its even more niche, because of course.
Not my interest by the way, but considering the sadism part, it still remains interesting.

I find it a shame. Landlocked between self fulfilling wish ultimatums, sometimes mixed in with some flavors of omnipotence because of course, you need to be a princess not just a normal girl.

Sometimes including the taking away from others and mocking them...
although that I feel mixed about. The problem is the focus on the power and wish fulfilment aspect, rather than the humiliation of the other-
like, ...I guess I would like it more if they'd portray their suffering one actually suffering, instead of the bad guy enjoying shit.

More mass transformations lol, also enjoyable.
-- yeah, anyway, indeed. It's always the same shit, but now they are so openly expressing how they come to the mere thought of being a woman, desiring it, spreading detailed fantasies. It's just the typical lgbt nonsense.

How is someone interested in fulfilling their own wish even supposed to like seeing what others desire happening to themselves here? It's difficult to get I suppose; but they write about it- someone must be interested.

Can't they add a monkey paw effect or something? ... self focussed happy fantasies are just boring.

>>11331435
>No wonder there are so many trannies coming here or people suddenly believing they themselves are trans after gooning to this fantasy too much.
Bruh, how new are you?
Online communities for TSF have existed since the mid 90s. i.e. about two decades before the modern "trans movement" was known to the general public.
Self-inserters have always vastly outnumbered people who just want to watch guys get transformed / fuck TF'd guys. The stories and comics have always been by and for self-inserters.
Just because you jack it to this stuff doesn't mean you have to troon out irl of course, but the connection between the two is pretty obvious.

>>11331435
If you're talking about the vast bulk of material that gets produced for this fetish, including all the rancid twitter tranny stuff, then I agree with you, but the vast majority of quality work almost always has an element of sadism involved. If anything, It's the, "Oh no! I'm a girl now! Time to get raped by my best friend!" template I'm sick to death of.

>tranny tranny tranny
How does the subject keep circling back to troons? At least have the decency to post stuff if you absolutely must talk about them

>>11331438
I have also noticed how upsetting it is to trans communities if there is someone who is questioning their gender and transitioning and you try to be helpful by pointing out that some questioners aren't always trans, but could have another issue like depression or low self-esteem. It upsets some people when you openly address how some people do let their sexual imagination and high libidos steer their lives into dramatic bodily change. (Even though women do that too, and yet they act like only trans women ever got breast implants, or use their assets for better sex or to become famous porn stars?)

>>11330138
>>11330604
>>11330613
Truly, this is my L.
Ultimately, the reason I got triggered is the conflation in my mind of "expendable" with "without value". A hellfire missile is expendable and with great value (for its purpose). So often I hear the the latter stated as the former and it's infuriating.
The idea that a person is "sacrifice-able" simply because of their born sex is odious to me - yes, men are more <whatever> and women are more <whatever else>, but the idea that we don't need half the population to be a healthy society is insane. "Fatherless behavior" is a phrase, after all (though not all fatherless behavior comes from a home that is without a father, so there's that too, but that's a different frustration).

Iunno, if men are disposable/expendable, it seems women only have one redeeming "quality" in the same way then.

Wait a second, CaptainCaption harassed Trigger for being transphobic? Shit. The poor guy just couldn't catch a break even from other writers of visual novels. Maybe CC's actions caused someone to stalk him, and its a small wonder he quit writing two years later.

Is it strange for me to be into this kind of storytelling, and yet I hate nearly everyone involved in creating it? Not Trigger, but nearly everyone else who makes content, and their mob of groupies that want to lynch anyone who ever so slightly disagrees with their viewpoints.

Friendly reminder to ignore dramaposting. Only (You) can prevent baitposting from getting replies.

>>11331520
I think it matters that Trigger's own Discord wanted to shut him down and stop funding his Patreon for something small that he said. Despite that he worked on Press Switch. We'd have more content if trans people didn't behave like this and could have a civil debate about difference of view.

>>11331526
I don't know who any of those people are, and I don't care. Why waste images on this instead of just posting porn?

>>11331519
>CaptainCaption
I swear this dude has come to this site and basically admitted to getting groomed.

>>11331433
muri muri

>>11331295
>If I did that for weeks and months and used any dietary advice recited to me, would I eventually get shredded? It wouldn't be a NEW body I would leave with every day, just a more tired one.
Yes that does work, any physical changes to your body state while in the space are kept like basic workouts, you just can't leave as a girl. Unless literal magic casting is discovered, in which case you can make a witch copy of yourself who turns your original into a girl who can then leave, in which case fuck the original rules I wrote to try and prevent that outcome I guess.

>>11327173
>sadly
How new?

Everyone here should read (Kimmy), it has everything you love. This isn't a trick at all.

>>11330894
There has to be some evidence remaining that the guy was a guy, else I put it in the same garbage bin as the fujo TSF stuff where they just makes an altinate universe where the guy was always a girl and gets fucked by whoever said fujo is shipping them with.

>>11326572
>As a fellow skinny boy with a tsf fetish, I understand your pain, though. If she princess carried me, it'd be over.
As stupid as this might sound, the tsf guy asking to be princess carried, hugging during and after sex, handholding in public, etc. is something I'm finding hotter
Might be something wrong with me but best way I can describe it is
Corruption through affection

>>11331565
NTA, but Press Switch is a well known game here, so it's no surprised people will talk about it.

>>11331526
A better man than I. It is hard in this community. I just want to make fetish games, i don't care or want to involve that in politics.

>>11331065
>Complaining about autogynphillia in the FUCKING AUTOGEYNPHILLIA THREAD
Bravo anon, take your (you)

>>11330991
>Stuck as Wiz from konosuba
Yeah it'd be over for me. Our personalities very much align so I'd just become a meeker version of myself.

>>11331502
>how does the thread about the fetish about changing your gender keep circling back to people who change their gender?
I dunno anon, it's a mystery.
>>11331515
>The idea that a person is "sacrifice-able" simply because of their born sex is odious to me
But it's true. It's just a fact of life. Men are expected to sacrifice themselves if the need arises.
The fact that you find this an intolerable insult probably explains why you find it appealing, on some level, to be part of the gender that DOES have intrinsic value.

>>11330991
This sounds hot and could work with just about any anime girl when the premise is that it's someone you were already attracted to.

>>11330991
I'd be fine with being Aya

https://www.tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=8184

I like how someone made a story about switching bodies with Chel from "The Road to El Dorado," a little after I watched it for the first time and thought
switching bodies with Chel would be neat. It also reads like a cartoon script, and it doesn't hold back on being racist. Chel has to be a whore to the fat chief.

It's also as demeaning toward natives as you'd expect when the villainous Spanish conquistadors visit the village with their sexism and religious superiority. The main character thinks in a pretty modern way compared to the Spanish though.

>>11331732
>The fact that you find this an intolerable insult probably explains why you find it appealing, on some level, to be part of the gender that DOES have intrinsic value.
I won't deny the appeal of the taboo - it's indeed the case - but to sacrifice *in duty* (the expectation of others not directly involved) and to sacrifice *out of care for one's own* (such as for a family member or local community) are different (though can happen at the same time). The first might be honorable, but not out of personal investment. The second would be for personal reasons.

Nor do I think women have "intrinsic value" of a kind that isn't also found in men (different, to be sure, but neither lesser nor greater). I'm not such a fool to think "anything men can do women can do better" - there's a reason it's always a "fantasy"-like setting. The things men are "good" for aren't the things that society values, so in this one, men get the short end of the stick while women are uplifted. It's not always ideal to be the one under the limelight either.

The "intrinsic value" that society sees is one that society has put there (millennia ago, etc etc.). Sure, yes, who *wouldn't* want to *also* be liked by everyone? But just because modern society says there's value doesn't mean that there actually is, we just act that way. When society was more manual-labor intensive, men were valued more highly than women, labelled with "intrinsically valued". It means little in the grand scheme of things when the development of a new technology utterly flips everything on its head, and then is flipped once again later.

I need to come here more, this is more intellectual exercise than I get in my day to day. What a shame on my part.

>>11331443
The sadist element I find interesting is more or less:
"Oh no, what should I do? I'm ruined!"
or "Th-this is embarrassing."
but it gets skipped over quite often.
and yet, a lot of transformations do have some touches of this.

the rape template is boring yeah...
I think this template exists as part of the "I'm beautiful" narrative.

I feel that a lot of people who self insert and want to be transformed into a woman, don't actually want to be a woman at all. Instead, womanhood is a tool used to achieve being accepted as weak, fragile, emotional, beautiful, powerful, endaring, in control of a strong man and things like that.
Some of them wish they could be played with by a man, like a woman would, or maybe experience similar sensations, but most of the time it's really about being the popular girl in high school, an idol, or at the very least someone who can get away with things simply because they are pretty and is protected because they are seen as fragile and innocent.

So it feels like a bit of an omnipotence-like desire, or a narcissistic one since they want to be validated and protected by others, others whom they also control to an extend since they need the strong admiration from them.

The fantasy empowers the self inserter, rather than puts them into an awkward situation. This is why it feels wrong to me.
The only thing I can compare it to is a bully.
I also noticed a lot of GenderBender self-insert food actually has some elements of bullying in them, and--
I don't have that level of psychopathy. I mean, watching some character bully another character. The sadism elements I enjoy are mainly schadenfreude and psychological sadistic events, and mainly unmanipulated, so basically a character struggling while simply being themselves.

>>11331438
I was speaking in the context of "if this is how the majority of new / modern works are and how people see it, then 'no wonder"

Being transformed used to be a bad thing for the one transformed. That was popular.
Now its a good thing, empowering, etc.

Fact is, several people who made works self-inserted themselves into the protag and then decided to go out and say "I'M TRANS!"...
even though they may just be addicted to the fantasy of being a girl, getting hard, fapping and enjoying it every time.
doing it more and more, till it trained their brain so much that a mere glimmer of the thought made them hard; causing autogynphillia
and since autogynphillia feels so good (they ejaculate from this), they think they're now trans and should be a woman, hoping they can come every day as the fantasy is now reality.

but then reality sinks in and they realize fantasy isn't reality; they become jealous of anime characters or idols or vtuber avatars; something perfect.
and either become depressed or realize they're actually a guy and wish they could smash they penile into these fictional girls and be with them forever, rather than actually be them and thus get rid of the original that they liked so much.

>>11331843
>I feel that a lot of people who self insert and want to be transformed into a woman, don't actually want to be a woman at all. Instead, womanhood is a tool used to achieve being accepted as weak, fragile, emotional, beautiful, powerful, endaring, in control of a strong man and things like that.
>Some of them wish they could be played with by a man, like a woman would, or maybe experience similar sensations, but most of the time it's really about being the popular girl in high school, an idol, or at the very least someone who can get away with things simply because they are pretty and is protected because they are seen as fragile and innocent.
>So it feels like a bit of an omnipotence-like desire, or a narcissistic one since they want to be validated and protected by others, others whom they also control to an extend since they need the strong admiration from them.
Sure, speaking as a self-inserter, this all tracks, although I personally enjoy it more when there's a element of, "why do I like this so much? I should hate this, shouldn't I?" than an immediate and obnoxious acceptance of their change.

>The fantasy empowers the self inserter, rather than puts them into an awkward situation. This is why it feels wrong to me.
>The only thing I can compare it to is a bully.
>I also noticed a lot of GenderBender self-insert food actually has some elements of bullying in them
This is where you lose me. Is this a western art thing? I like it better when the transformed victim get bullied for *liking* the change.

can you retards at least post images with your rants so I have something to jerk off to ffs

>>11331872
>bullied for *liking* the change.
The art tends to be more like:
"I am prettier, than you"
"More people like me, than you"
and even "You are all alone now, how about that?"
There is this essence of narcissism in there basically. I don't know if this is a western though though.

Them getting bullied for liking the change is also rare.

>>11331331
At face value, that's because he botched the possession like most dudes in the series

Though my interpretation of it is that deep down, on some level, the MC always wanted to be an easy-going slut. The story doesn't show society automatically giving him an easy-mode pass when he becomes a girl, it shows him melting after a modicum of parental affection, and choosing to slack off so he can pose in front of a mirror in cute outfits and post anonymous lewds on the internet. He's unable to keep up his old habits despite lacing that privileged female upbringing and having experienced the supposed hardships of being male

DATE's Medicine series (and a lot of modern TSF stuff really) feels like it's meant to resonate with guys like the MC by presenting these escapist fantasies. It goes beyond acknowledging that gendered expectations are wonky nowadays and wishing for things to be fairer; "normal" losers just get jealous of chads instead

I had fun reading some of the replies last time. So this time again. Some mcguffin thing appears or happens that makes boat girls real, but requires a human body that get's transformed. Females refuse to be turned into "fanservice sexdolls" and the military generally prefer males as they have combat experiences or at least made for war. Though for some odd reasons there is no real war anymore. There are exercise where combat girls fight against each other, but it's treated as a sport and as death matches.

Let's go with Azur Lane and the twist is that every boat girl has a limited amount of copies that could exist at any given moment in the world. So you gotta pick 3 prefered boat girls you want to be turned into. Or could be more or just say what body type of boat you would enjoy to be or not to be. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/wiki/List_of_Ships_by_Image

You will also end up being put into a base where there is a commander and you feel inclined to follow his order, but not 100% submissive, unless he maxed out your affection gauge and put a ring on your finger. As last time, it won't completly rewrite your mind or your soul, but you might pick up traits from the boat girl you will become. Like as Unicorn you will end up refering to the commander as big brother. As Shinano you might end up falling asleep. As Kashino you may end up becoming more softie and also lactating. As Taihou you become a bit clingy etc.

>>11331243
haven't had this problem. when it goes wrong it's usually just swerving into boomer sissy porn (like the stuff that ruined fictionmania) or generic femdom

>>11331922
>(like the stuff that ruined fictionmania)
There are some amazing stories on that site, it's a damn shame how far it's fallen and how that cancer is spreading.

>>11331922
>(like the stuff that ruined fictionmania)
Was under the impression this was always a large part of the scene, even back in the usenet days
Wish there was harder demarcation between pure TSF and the trans/CD/sissy content

>>11327807
Wrote a little more for the Sun and Moon thing, just South of 3,000 words now:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y_PjrPXj2o4mhopAq7r8LFDVBk4z50nztNwMWxI-pHs/edit?usp=sharing

>>11331845
I don't believe that every person who ever entertains questioning their gender at birth should be addressed as another "egg" to be cracked by eager trans salesmen. Nor do I accept that anyone who wants to talk about how many people do get a sexual thrill from the idea of changing their gender is arguing in bad faith. You can talk about gender euphoria and the many things that get people off and still be accepting of trans people. But they don't ever seem to get that?

You'll never be the cute anime girl no matter how many times you jerkoff to it or how many surgeries you get. You won't be isekai'd into a hentai where you can be as hedonistic as you want and not face consequences. You won't sprout cat ears or lose decades of aging. Once you come down from the orgasm thinking clears up, unless you're trans it seems. And they hate us because we return to thinking clearly though we fap to the same things.

>>11331919
i'm too weak to JP destroyers so probably something Kagero or Yugumo class

>>11331955
I think the sissy and cross dressing stuff is fine there. I just think they needed to have an easier option to weed it out of a search because now it's the only thing there and other writers have given up on being seen.

>>11331572
Yeah, he said he was, but he has said that many other unlikely things happened to him and I think he could be a habitual liar. He could have made up stories of victimhood after buying into right-wing framing for emotional reasons. For some narcissistic people it's easier to lie and make up what happened to them than to admit their world view is off.

>>11331977
>trans salesmen
You're putting a death cult hellbent on expanding to include everyone including especially small children based entirely on regressive gender stereotypes...very mildly.

Sure is feisty around here at the moment. Guess the kids are back from summer camp.

>>11332013

>>11332014

>>11332015

>>11332009
>a death cult
>expanding to include everyone
>especially small children
None of this makes sense. We do not give a fuck. I just want to be a woman and not be murdered for it. The irony of calling it a death cult when the exact reason I did this was to escape an early death.

>>11331919
>pick three preferred boat girls
Pennsylvania, Jean Bart, or Richelieu
>>11332013
I know, it's fucking annoying as hell that they keep whining instead of doing something more productive like posting fucking art

Genderbent males belong with other genderbent males

>>11332027
TSF Yuri is best Yuri! Especially when paired with incest or inseki.

>>11332021
>Escape an early death.
Bro you are not going to escape shit, go to /lgbt/ son. You are fucked, like impossibly fucked. I'm sure you already know that though.
Also your whole ideology has somehow set gender roles back about five decades somehow.

>>11332021
You're here so the real reason is that you wanted to live out your fetish whilst forcing the whole entire world to lie to you about it, and about biology.

>>11332037
>/lgbt/
More like /tttt/ these days desu

>>11332037
>You are fucked, like impossibly fucked
I mean I sure am fucked, probably more than you. /tttt/ is dull, just a bunch of passoids complaining about their appearance, this place is fun. A whole lot of posters here are so clearly just in denial about being trans and the day you realise you wasted your time on this board instead of injecting yourself with estrogen is gonna be hilarious.
>Also your whole ideology has somehow set gender roles back about five decades somehow
Yeah that's our fault, sorry, didn't realise we held that kind of power and influence whilst also everyone seems to be working to do what they can to make sure we don't exist anymore. Retard.
>>11332039
Would it entertain you if I said "yes"? Oh yeah, I love having tits now. Oh yeah, sex is so much better now. I'm actually happy about myself and my life now. It's great. Who cares if you think it's a fetish. Don't be so jealous, it doesn't suit you.

>>11332057
holy shit shut the fuck up, this is a porn board, stop talking about gender identity and just jerk off! I don't give two shits about you being trans or >>11332037's hatred of troons, I just want to look at porn! Leave us alone, the both of ye!

>>11331972
I am enjoying how you've been pacing this so far. There's enough things we've seen that we can make some rough assumptions about how this society works, but some stuff is also hints at that the 'Sun' isn't just this worlds 'male' role even if we've assumed that for now, so there's a notable vibe this world isn't a complete one-to-one match to our world. Nice work.

>>11332057
>internalizing your autofetishizing pornbrained coomer identity this hard and then crying about people not doing what you tell them to is the same as erasing you from existence
You're only proving why everyone is right to hate you and want you to die. YWNBAW

>>11331972
I like what you did to the fighting game announcer, if I'm remembering that one aspect of Moons right. Looking forward to seeing whatever you come up with next.

Also, does his sister or Mom look any different due to the different biology, or are they exactly the same?

>>11332057
You will never be a cute furry let alone a cutie and will be stuck as a homely in-between. Without silicon you won't even have much bust unless you were an ugly fat whale to begin with.

>>11332076
>Without silicon you won't even have much bust unless you were an ugly fat whale to begin with.
Having huge tits isn't everything anon, it'd be nice sure but I'm really happy with where mine are already. Big boobs are good, but my boobs are mine.

>>11332068
Thank you very much! I'm aiming for a clear top/bottom dichotomy with this, but with some 'female' traits recontextualized as 'male' for the Suns and vice versa for the Moons. It's been fun asking myself, would this make more sense as a sun trait or a moon trait?
>>11332071
Yep, Moons are definitely the "Gamers tm" of this setting, though their tastes differ a little from our world's baseline. Something like Super Monkey Ball has tons of derivations, off-shoots, and is just a big franchise there, whereas fps and actions games are tiny bit more niche, though they still have - vocal! - devotees.

The sister and mother have very minor changes, the mother moreso. She's a bit shorter and more youthful looking than she was in MC's original world, so MC is even shorter than she believes, but it's not enough of a difference where'd you notice it if you just conked your head and suddenly sprouted tits. The sister is virtually identical, maybe an inch taller and a tiny bit more muscular at most. The average Sun doesn't look any different from your average tallish woman on earth, buts Moons are about as feminine to them as women in our world are to men.

>>11329365
source please

>>11332123
Bishoujo-ka shita Oji-san dakedo, Gachikoisarete Komattemasu

>>11331972
will def read during work later to pass the time

>>11327354
missed opportunity to have the manga turn into shoujo, or maybe a fashion magazine.

>>11330894
This always gets cool reations
https://www.deviantart.com/petitevault/art/Cramps-Cruelty-and-Julia-Elmwood-Archive-915127305

>>11332165
>nerdy fujoshi bodyswaps with ikemen and uses his body to do gay shit
Okay that's actually pretty fucking funny

>>11332098
>Something like Super Monkey Ball has tons of derivations, off-shoots, and is just a big franchise there, whereas fps and actions games are tiny bit more niche, though they still have - vocal! - devotees.
Interesting angle. Considering how the figting game had a 'bubbly' announcer, I figured a lot of stuff was the same but now "cutified" since Moons are obsessed with cuteness if I remember right (like FPS games were still big, but used more of a fantasy or magical girl theme than military). Either way it's all really cool to see.

>>11332175
*cuteified I meant, my bad

>>11331919
Questions:
>Is there a reason to join besides getting to be the shipgirl?
I expect a FAT signing bonus and good career prospects once you're out (if you can get out) at least
>Are bases still mostly staffed by males or is it a botes and their Shitcan situation?
>How do I become a commander instead?
As for my preference of botes if I decide it's worth it... Baltimore, Ulrich or Enterprise would be top picks but I could expand the list, especially when it sounds like not much more than a hull type, figure, and a few tics are being decided with the choice.

>>11332175
>>11332180
Ah, I see. I probably didn't write it well enough. The game she's playing in the story, the Ha-Pa-Jinko 2 thing, was more of a pachinko themed platformer than a fighting game in my mind, though I guess I kept it too vague on the details. You're correct that moons do like things on the cute side overall though, even if that frequently argue what constitutes "cute" and what's best suited for it. Moons get very autistic about aesthetics.

>>11332171
Clearly proper retribution is using the fujo body to do lesbian shit
Think there was something like that from Amulai Okashi Seisakusho, where a body swap resulted in 2 homo couples

>>11331919
>>11331975
need more bote related tg

>>11332248
KC and not AL, but here ya go!

>>11332212
That might be more on me, since I forgot what a pachinko machine was and that this this world has a lot of Japanese influence despite the naming convention.
>they frequently argue what constitutes "cute" and what's best suited for it
>Moons get very autistic about aesthetics.
The forum flame wars I'm imagining because of this description made me audibly laugh.

>>11332248
Look up dshittyadmrial, he writes mainly bote tgs.

>>11332165
>https://www.deviantart.com/petitevault/art/Cramps-Cruelty-and-Julia-Elmwood-Archive-915127305
Couldn't there have been at least one sexy part? This was just misery all the way

Can I get help finding this one series.
It was about marriage matchmaking agency where the guy gets TGd and is convinced/forced to stay with the agency as a female candidate in it's pool instead of a male one and is giving some basic bridal training along the normal "how to be a woman" lessons.

>>11330894
genuinely awful, right up there with reality alteration as the worst tropes for bad writers
they both strip out the best parts of a story unless handled very carefully, which rarely happens
for instance, the only time ID is not just horrific and lazy is when it's temporary and/or the original persona is present in a observational capacity

>>11331435
I find it incredibly funny that the TSF sadist has been defeated by the enthusiastic AGP
might write something with this premise

>>11332522
>TSF sadist who likes turning men into women gets turned into a woman after he tries to turn someone with AGP into a woman and it just reflects back onto him because of magic bullshit.
Kino? Would also be kinda hot.

>>11331919
>Or could be more or just say what body type of boat you would enjoy to be or not to be.
The bigger the tits the better. Very important military advantage.

Hypothetical for you anons.
>You are a detective tasked with finding the New York Gender Bender.
>They're an experienced TSF sadist who enjoys turning random men into various hot archetypes of women, mostly bimbos and vapid types. Usually partial or total identity death, so they can't recall much of who changed them.
>He has an app that he can use to magically transform anyone he takes a picture of into a woman.
>The rules are simple; He has to take a picture of the person, in person. His line of sight can't be obstructed, and it has to at least be an upper body shot for the app to work, and his target can be the only one in the picture.
>There's about twenty victims so far, you know he operates out of New York city.
>He usually transforms around one person a week, always in NYC, locations vary.
>Some of them can be interviewed, others have no memories of their past life or what happened.
The question is anons, could you catch him? How would you do it? Would you end up TF'd, or could you outsmart them and bring them in?
You don't know how the app works, and you'd have to intiut the mechanics behind it and the fact he's even using it based on interviews and other facts. Think of it kind of like deathnote, this is a world without magic apart from this one magical device, alongside the evidence of its effects on people.

I genuinely do not understand why the personification-of-boats fandom and the tsf fetish community have so much overlap. Maybe I'm the retarded one and this is just normal.

A scenario that is both arousing yet deeply disturbing to me is when the MC experiences a taste of womanhood through a temporary method, like bodyswap or VR. Whatever the catalyst, this irreversibly alters their psyche, to the point that they want to make the genderswap permanent in order to keep feeling the same sensations (or maybe they just turn gay or something). Often bundled with corruption/mindbreak
Let me know if you have any more to add

nhentai.net/g/521556 - Juunishin Tiger Red ~Otosare Yuganda Seigi no Yukukata~ (Body Swap)
nhentai.net/g/51678 - FARFALLA (VR)
nhentai.net/g/268393 - Aisei Tenshi Love Mary (Sensation Sharing, starts around p.117)
nhentai.net/g/437755 - Kitsuneko Miko Ichiya Taiken Course (Skinsuit, detable inclusion)

>>11332725
Neither KC or AL really explains why boat exists. But it's especially easy to turn it into TSF in AL, because at least there are these magical cubes used to create boats. So in a what if scenario anon could fall into the creation chamber and overwritten.
The other part is the obvious AGP bait fanservicy bodies most boats have. The perfect forms for some people.

>>11332725
it's less "kansen & tsf are connected" and more "kansen are typically hot, and a few twinfags, possessfags, and swapfags like making stories/art involving them"

>>11331919
I find that Kantai Collection generally has better character designs than Azure Lane, although Azure Lane at least had some semblance of gameplay. Additionally, I find that anthropomorphized ship combat is generally less engaging than actual ship to ship engagements (which is one of the reasons why I preferred anime such as Haifuri conceptually to Kantai Collection or Azure lane even if Haifuri was not very good). You could certainly have a great deal to do with various sea states, weather conditions, ocean depths and various island and coastal terrain types, but I find that a person fighting, usually standing entirely on top of the ocean's surface, against machines or other people is not as engaging as fighting in a more conventional environment because the multi-crewed and grounded aspects of the actual ship combat are not present.

What I would prefer generally is something in which everyone on board a naval vessel becomes female through some happenstance, either as a condition of enlistment, some strange calamity or the unique circumstances of the particular environment in which they fight results in them becoming female.

I guess the reason why I do not find the scenario of turning into a shipgirl entirely appealing is that a shipgirl is already a physical anthropomorphized manifestation of something that was not the original form of the shipgirl. To transform from a man into a shipgirl is akin to transforming into something that already went through a transformation previously, and thus the appeal is somewhat disconnected from the appeal of genderswap to me.

If I had to make a decision though, here is what my offers would be:

From Kantai Collection:
-Fubuki
-Hamanami
-Haguro

From Azure Lane (This is going purely off of their character design):
-Bristol
-Ikaruga or Murasaki (Technically these are collaboration characters from Senran Kagura)
-Essex

>>11332739
I certainly like KC designs better, usually incorporating things from the real life boat. I may remember wrongly but like for Tenryuu, her eyepatch reflects on the damaged light on the actual boat. Or Nagato being big as she is from the big seven, compared to the tiny creature from AL.
I mostly bring up AL, because i feel like people on average are more familiar with them. I also have a side fetish of knowing anons desired body types they want to become.
Also cute potato.
>>11332704
Kashino or Taihou are your primary choices then, though there are Formidable and a few more with very hefty chest
>>11332206
>Is there a reason to join besides getting to be the shipgirl?
It might be like Ai movement we got currently, everyone thought this next big brain move for military.
>Are bases still mostly staffed by males or is it a botes and their Shitcan situation?
I would say it's mixed, there could be a few or a lot of female only bases.
>How do I become a commander instead?
Commander can be regular female from the get go. Or get voted from one of the shipgirls, if they decide that the current commander is worthless or disliked by majority of the shipgirls.
>>11331979
Tiny and cute boats..
>>11332024
Not often i see either them. But i can kinda see why you choose them.
>>11332093
Draph sexooooo

>>11332725
There's also a sizeable presence for Kemono Friends too, wonder what the common link is, cute girls aside?

>>11332725
It's a matter of circumstance. Gacha casts a large net (it's popular) and usually features sexy sexualized girls. You're in a much smaller community focused on TSF, so when someone mentions botes you see it and take notice of it rather than it being lost in a crowd of other fetish material. There's overlap because of course there is, but it's probably not as much as you feel it is.

>>11332739
I'd like more of the Arpeggio of Blue Steel take on shipgirls.

>>11332724
You turn his own fetish against him.

>approach the police barricade
>"We got him cornered in the warehouse, chief! No way in, no way out!"
>"Why has nobody gone in to flush him out?"
>"He's got a strong vantage point, chief. We tried to sweep the building, but he got to Johnson and Ramirez. We had to beat a hasty retreat after that."
>glance over to the gyaru bunnygirl and primadonna ballerina with blankets around their shoulders, currently being debriefed
>By which you mean being interviewed, NOT relieved of their panties. You're a professional, after all.
>maybe, where many failed...
>one can succeed
>begin approaching the warehouse
>"Sir!" the young officer says, "You can't go in alone! He'll get you! Do you really want to turn into a girl?!"
>turn back to the officer, with a confident smirk
>"Justice has no gender."

>>11332784
>several minutes later
>door to the warehouse is kicked open by a high-heeled Amazonian woman dressed like a dominatrix with a meek, blushing schoolgirl in handcuffs and a ball gag
>all guns are drawn
>"Hands up! I said hands up!"
>"Ara ara, where are your manners? Do you not recognize your commanding officer?"
>"Wait, so this is-?"
>"Yep! The N.Y.C.G.B in the flesh."
>"But... how did you pull it off?"
>"Simple! I knew I'd be targeted eventually, so I needed a form that would still have handcuffs to use."
>you toss your cellphone to the officer in charge
>screen opens to a YouTube video
>Lesbian BDSM Dominatrix Ties You Up and Teases You ASMR: 3 Hour Megamix.mov
>"I managed to make my way to the speaker controls and blasted this throughout the building. But that's not all!"
>"Wait... the press conferences!"
>"That's right," you say with a nod. "Every press conference I held addressing the gender-bending spree was loaded with subliminal messaging."
>flashback to the press conferences
>"The chains of justice shall bind this menace to society!"
>"I urge the New York Gender Bender to submit to justice! You know you want to, deep in your soul."
>"Kneel before the law!"
>the former New York Gender Bender blinks tears from her eyes, but also blushes and keeps rubbing her thighs together
>"So, wait, hold up," the officer says. "This whole time, you've been planning for this outcome? You knew this would end with you becoming... this? How did you know this sadistic fuck would even fall for it?"
>the former NYCGB moans into the ballgag
>"Well," you say, giving a seductive wink, "when you spend as much time as I do on tsf forums, you realize something."
>"Even the most 'I'm into this fetish to transform others' anon is not immune to the odd bit of self-insert yuri tg fantasy."
>all the other officers wonder wtf you just said

>>11332784
kek, you could write a caption out of this

>>11332787
>Every press conference I held addressing the gender-bending spree was loaded with subliminal messaging
sasuga Lawliet

>>11332787
>Remarkably, police chief Anon was able to arrest the NYCGB even after being transformed. Psychologists are claiming this is due to his iron will.
>Other from within the police department are saying it's because he is, and I quote "Into this kinda shit."

>>11332757
Paying military service by being turned into a shipgirl with massive tits and doing basically nothing but playing with them and hanging around with other guys-turned-shipgirl, with maybe the occasional match sounds pretty nice.

>>11332787
>The NYCGB was actually a member of the police force the entire time.
>The reason he was able to be caught was because the chief was a TSF fetishist while the bay harbor gender bender was a sadist TSF fetishist.
>Shit, I can't let them know I was browsing the TSF thread last night, if they see me search history, they'll know I'm into that sort of thing as a sadist. I'll be their new number one suspect.
>"Sorry anon, did you say something?"
>"...W-What? I- I uh, I didn't... S-Say anything?"
>Chief just staring at him, everyone else looks confused. Anon looks down at the chief's phone, which is open, on the desk. He catches a glimpse of a 4chan thread. It's the TSF thread.

>>11330894
lame and lazy, immediately turns me off a story. I distinguish between identity death and mindbreak, mindbreak can be fine, but ID is just boring.

>>11332703
There's an amazon unlimited book about a guy who tricks dudes into permanently becoming women using x-change pills by pretending to be a girl so they fuck him, and then baiting them into taking a pill so they can try lesbian sex, and then reverting back into a man to get them pregnant and permanently stuck as a woman. He tries it on his former bully, but ends up starting to fall for getting dommed by him. Has no ending which was lame, but it was fun

>>11332979
Title or link?

>>11332725
There is an unusual amount of extremely high-quality bote TSF doujin. The skinsuit series was my first introduction to KC.

>>11332951
>Departed/Dexter/DeathNote type of cat and mouse game, where each party tries to expose the others fetishes with transformative results
I'd watch it. That was the vibe I was going for when I wrote it, with a little Columbo mixed in.

>>11332787
>"Even the most 'I'm into this fetish to transform others' anon is not immune to the odd bit of self-insert yuri tg fantasy."
...wouldn't a sadist more likely self-insert as the dominant one though?

New thread: >>11333239

>>11333205
That's why you gotta play the long game with all the subliminal messaging.

>>11332725
to be fair out of all the possible girls to be, being a bote girl is a pretty nice boon since you got the big guns even as a dd