Fell for the vinegar and dish soap weed killer hoax. Need something to mix into my sprayer to kill weeds in hard to reach places or just to spray and forget. Neighbors all have dogs and cute friendly outdoor cats so I don't want to spray anything chemically and toxic. What can I mix into my sprayer that is natural that will kill weeds or the grass where ever I spray it? Is there anything I can mix with 30% hydrogen peroxide for a little extra kick? 30% hydrogen peroxide burns if it touches your skin, I'm guessing it will kill weeds too? What else can I add to it or any other suggestions?

Elbow grease you lazy fuck.

>>2913170 (OP)
>Fell for the vinegar
Guessing you didn't use agricultural vinegar. What kind of weeds and why do you need them gone? If it's just personal aesthetic preference, it seems weird to go crazy killing a bunch of harmless native plants. You could probably throw some of them in your salad instead of poisoning shit, depending on what it is.

>>2913170 (OP)
diesel fuel

>>2913193
Only if you wilt them with it to destroy the cell walls. Doing a complete surface crisping can actually make them brow back even worse, especially if it's a taproot or something with a "fuck you" rhizome like quackgrass. I still say just eat the thing if its like the edible plantains in OP's pic, it's a medicinal herb.

>>2913195
*grow back
Oh yeah, and if this is for some HOA faggotry, make dandelion seedball bombs with soaked clay and compost and fling them all over its members' lawns. The bees will love you.

>>2913170 (OP)
>30% hydrogen peroxide burns if it touches your skin, I'm guessing it will kill weeds too
what kind of reasoning is this anon

FIRE

The only method that meets your criteria is a weed torch. Propane torch will kill weeds easy and they'll stay dead.

Glysophate is not toxic per se, it is carcinogenic but it won't kill anything and just being near it after it's dried won't do anything either. If you can't burn, use glysophate. Do NOT get diquat or any kind of mix that contains diquat if you're concerned about health, it can easily harm you and aninals

>>2913170 (OP)
Boiling water. Cheap, easy, non-toxic, and gets into hard to reach places. Can't really load it into a sprayer but, if you have a longer enough extension cord, you can use an electric kettle.

>>2913218
Stop effing around and get a torch.

>>2913170 (OP)
how effective is fire against creeping charlie?
this shit is everywhere
either i cover the area up with plywood or use propane.

>>2913170 (OP)
Roundup.
>but muh chemicals!
All the food you and your neighbors eat is contaminated anyway, even Gwyneth Paltrow's $4 organic limes.

>>2913170 (OP)
What strength vinegar did you use? Dish soap is a surfactant. Is spread the solution over the leaves. Vinegar kills everything unless you're a retard and you diluted it too much. A grass+safe herbicide is 1 pound of salt in one gallon of water with a tablespoon of dish soap or non-ionic surfactant. The vinegar recipe you bungled will kill everything. The recipe I just gave you will kill only non-halophytic plants, except grass as long as you don't apply it more than once every two weeks.

>>2913252
>>2913251
>>2913240
>>2913218
>>2913193
Fags

>>2913255

>>2913170 (OP)
steamer

>>2913280
what's the appropriate solution with vinegar? and what type of vinegar would you use? I have the same problem around my property wall

Just use water with a shitload of salt in it.

>>2913307
It needs to be at least 20% and have a non-ionic surfactant like dish soap. Buy a bottle of 45% (or whatever is most cost effective) and dilute a small batch to test it. 20% should kill all the foliage it's sprayed on. If you have something that can resist it make a stronger batch and consider adding salt. The salt herbicide is systemic which means it gets absorbed by the leaves and can kill the roots. Rhizomatous plants will close off roots to the affected plant just like they do with any herbicide and halophytes are completely unaffected. The vinegar is a contact herbicide so it will only kill the aboveground growth which rhizomatous and taprooted plants will come back. For those weeds you can repeat the application regularly to weaken the taproot, but it will only be as effective as hoeing. Still a good way to control annual and biennial weeds, but perennials will need something else.

>>2913341
so you say 2 parts of vinegar for every 10 parts of water? And can I add dish soap and salt to that mix in my pulverizer? sorry if the question is stupid but I want a solid base to start from and then go from there. I also have a fucking tree destroying my property fance and the flooring which I am considering killing and this would be a good method although I don't know if it'd work in such a big thing

>>2913342
Not that anon, but if you buy the 45% vinegar you need to dilute it down to 20% concentration according to him so that would be closer to a 1 part 45% vinegar and 1 part water.

Would 45% vinegar and 30% hydrogen peroxide work better?

>>2913250
while i'm sure boiling water can be effective, i'm not convinced it's efficient. waiting for the water to boil and then running around the yard with a container of hot water is something i don't want to do. a propane burner you can use on site would be best, but you might as well just hook it up to a torch and put the heat directly onto the areas you want it instead of putting it through a middle man. the only situation i can see boiling water being better than a torch is if it's "against the law" or a legitimate fire hazard where you live.

Does anyone have tips to kill Ground Elder but the plants around it?

It grows back in like a day after I weed out a bucket of it but I’d like to save the Sedum and Conifers around it

>>2913195
Is right. You don’t even need to burn the weeds above the ground but gently heat them to 120F all through like a rare steak

>>2913351
ah ok ok got you now thanks anon

If it's between stone just rip them out then seal with polymeric sand.

Rip and tear, until it's done.
If you wait for the weeds to bud before ripping they waste more energy and have a hard time recovering but if they flower it is game over.

>>2913379
sure, adding in more chemicals makes it work better. Try adding in some bleach and ammonia, and maybe a little bit of acetone for that extra kick

>>2913194
haaha

table salt?
sand?
lye?
potash?

If it's only a few, a can of spray degreaser does it well.

>>2913342
This herbicide won't work on bigger trees, but it can work on sprouts and small saplings. I'd recommend girdling for trees. It's quick, easy, and it kills the tree roots so it won't come back.

>>2913379
Don't do that. Hydrogen peroxide reacts with vinegar and it makes a chemical that is toxic to humans.

>>2913382
Rhizomatous weeds are really difficult to get rid of. Sedum and conifers can tolerate a bit of salt to try the salt based herbicide ITT. I've never used it on ground elder, but it should work for at least the top growth even if the rhizomes close off instead of dying.

>>2913255
Glyphosate was already recommended.

>>2913379
Look up peracetic acid. It sounds like a wonderful thing to spray in your yard. Probably smells nice too!

>>2913170 (OP)
just salt the cracks and nothing will ever grow there again

>>2913593
I work for the government.
Thanks for giving me an idea for something to do.
... going to look into getting both of those things banned.
I'll get them cut down to 0.01% conc first, before I do anything (as a "precaution")
Then I'll get some legislation to put buyers of either of those on a watch-list for a couple of years.
After that, all out ban.
Just for individuals, companies will still be able to buy/use it freely, like everything else we got banned.

>>2913170 (OP)
The problem with "organic" herbicides is that they're contact, not systemic.
I tried vinegar and it works, but you've got to use a lot to ensure you get all foliage covered for complete knockdown and it stinks for days afterwards.
Latest thing I've tried is nonanoic/pelargonic acid (Slasher). It's expensive, but smells delicious and works better than vinegar.
Whilst not "organic", glufosinate ammonium (Basta) is a herbicide that some soil bacteria produce that also works well. I use that along my fencelines for controlling glyphosate-resistant annual ryegrass.

>>2914509
Table salt is an organic systemic herbicide. Things aren't true just because you thought them up and didn't bother to look into it.

>>2913170 (OP)
Gasoline works best in my experience. Spray it on and leave it, usually kills everything in a day or so.

Baking soda will raise the pH and kill pretty much everything if you let it sit, but it takes a bit longer.

30% H2O2 is massive overkill for weeds, but it will work. The only thing you need to add to that is water and take it to ~10% conc. which should still be effective and will make your H2O2 last longer Be careful, diluting it will be mildly exothermic.

>>2917712
Don't put gasoline on your soil. Do not add water to hydrogen peroxide, do it the other way around and stir constantly.

Personally, I just go with the pour a heck ton of boiling water over it, aproach. Either that, or just pull out the weeds if it's something that doesn't have deep roots.

Anyone who removes dandelions is a faggot who got tricked by poison selling merchants. They're edible, they're good for the local ecology, and they're pretty. They're also fun for kids to play with, when they become puffballs.

>>2917712
>>2917798
acetone > water

>>2917917
This. Lately I've seen more and more lawns filled with dandelions and I don't know if it's because my neighbors are lazy or if people are starting to realize that dandelions and good to have around. You can make wine and beer from the flowers too.

>>2913218
>>2913251
this but don't actually burn the weeds to a crisp.
gently kiss the weeds with the heat so that they wilt, the weed will waste its reserve energy trying to revive the dead leaves rather than growing anew.

>>2918049
Dandelion taproots are the only thing keeping my lawn aerated.

>>2918049
Could be from extra rain, could be because grass depletes nitrogen and dandelions grow well in nitrogen poor soil. I have clover in my yard, which also replaces nitrogen, because I'm a hick that doesn't need the whole yard to be perfect bluegrass. This year all my neighbors are battling dandelions, I have a few, but they're minimal.

>>2919017
Good use of dandelions.
>>2919036
Clover in lawns is great.

>>2913170 (OP)
Rototill your lawn and replace it with crops

>>2913170 (OP)
>Fell for the vinegar and dish soap weed killer hoax.
Bro you're supposed to use high-concentration acetic acid, not 5% vinegar

>>2918088
Gently kiss these nuts.

WHERE DO YOU EVEN FIND TIME TO GENTLY KISS ANYTHING IN YOUR BACKYARD

>>2913170 (OP)
What's a natural weed control method for fire resistant plants with deep roots that can remain dormant?

>>2919555
A strong back and a spade.

>>2913175
This.

>>2913170 (OP)
Get your hose and set the spray nozzle on jet. Blast the roots of the weed to knock the soil free and pull up. It'll create a tiny hole in your lawn, but you can fill it in with dirt if it's that big of a worry.

>>2913170 (OP)
pee, unironically

>>2919555
Try spraying it with a salt based herbicide. Mix a pound of salt into a gallon of water and add a non-ionic surfactant. Spray all the foliage and soak the crown until you see runoff. If it hasn't started wilting in a couple hours then it's a halophyte and the salt won't kill it before it kills your lawn. Alternatively you can hoe or otherwise chop off the crown until to keep it from flowering until it dies of old age.

>>2913170 (OP)
Literally just stick a bit of steel wool in vinegar and you'll have ferric acetate. That shit kills everything.
t. Have a dead patch in the middle of the garden from pouring out a tub of vinegar used to derust a load of old tools

>>2920338
Neat

>>2919752
pee is fertilizer though

>>2920338
Can anyone confirm that iron acetate is a herbicide or is this anon just wanking?

>>2913170 (OP)
I've tried the boiling water and works like a charm

>>2913593
>>2913379
what's wrong with peracetic acid? it turns to water and vinegar quickly which is non-toxic.

>>2913175
This is the only way.

>>2922952
I think it's the high dose of iron that does it. Dilute it enough and make sure the pH is about neutral and it should be fine for plants. I've saved a few bushes that had iron or zinc deficiencies by putting a galvanized nail in the soil next to their roots and watering the nail every couple of days

>>2913170 (OP)
>natural
>I don't want anything chemcially
The first step to getting anywhere in life is to stop believing in holistic quackery.

>>2923335
That's why I only use asbestos in my house.

Landscaper here.

We use glyphosate because very little is needed if it's used correctly. There are widespread concerns it causes cancer, but that's more a concern for operators who spray it around every day. Your not going to lick the poisoned daisy are you?

There are other options, I strongly recommend ageist acids and caustic chemicals. Extraordinarily dangerous, cause all kinds of accidents, problem usually is that they transfer from surface to surface, so people use them, wash their hands, pick the bottle back up, put it away, 20 minutes later are using their phone and rub their eye.

Gas burners work well ageist seed heads but are not especially effective against many types of weeds which either regrow from the base, have layers of leaves, or where radiant heat would kill a huge patch of lawn. But the main hazard is usually blowing flammable gas into something which will blow up, or gas leaking while the unit is in storage. Mostly I use gas on sand and hard paths.

Steam wands are what I generally recommend in place of gas burners. But boiling water from a kettle is just as effective provided you don't have too many weeds.

But honestly, in most situations I still pull weeds out with a fork. Often you've got a mix of weeds, at least some need pulling out by the root

>>2913170 (OP)
Why would you wanna kill weed myan?

I'm really surprised nobody here has mentioned Triclopyr. It's sold in various strengths, even at very low levels like 0.25%, it completely destroys things like poison ivy. At higher levels close to 40% it can kill an entire tree in one shot even if you only apply it directly to the bark. It will kill root and all.

It's what they use in national parks although it's kind of expensive it can be like $150 a gallon for full strength. You're not supposed to be able to buy it at full strength without a license but Amazon sells it no problem and most hardware stores sell it at 1% or so.

Unlike Glyphosate, Triclopyr quickly breaks down in soils and can have a half life of short as 8 days, usually it's completely gone within 40 days. It also has no known cancer link unlike glyso. The only reason not to use it is because it's so fucking expensive. And it's non selective, although performs especially well on woody type plants.

I tried the 30% vinegar solutions and a sprayer undiluted and they didn't do shit to these wax leaf privet motherfuckers, but triclopyr killed it in one hit as advertised. Mix it full str with 50% diesel and paint it directly on the cut, one time only. Just make extra sure it doesn't touch anything you don't want to die.

I think the brand name of the full strength one is called like Glorgon 4 or something like that, and there is a slightly weaker version called Tri 4.

One gallon at $150 should be a lifetime supply unless you own a national park or some shit.

Yea here it is on Amazon 2.5 gallons for $250. Actually a good deal. You could easily burn through $1,000 worth of 30% acetic acid aka vinegar and still not kill some of these invasive fucking demon spawn plants from asia. Go grab a lifetime supply before the goddamn EPA realizes some chinks are dropshipping it directly to consumers and pulls it lol

By the way if you seriously end up using this shit do not put it in the sprayer unless it's heavily diluted down to a very low percent and you need to cover a very large area and kill everything.

Mostly you will want to get a small foam brush and just paint it onto the stump of whatever you want to kill. Get a disposable brush and throw it away afterwards.

If you do have to use the sprayer make sure it is spraying droplets and not mist, spray very low to ground on non windy day only. Spray once and watch and observe for effects, do NOT keep spraying over and over again, observe effects for many days after first spray before trying repeat, second spray usually not needed.

>>2913240
This, roundup works and if you aren't an idiot (wear gloves, use an extended sprayer, spray right on to the plant, and keep animals out of the area for half an hour) nothing bad will happen. The cases of cancer are all farmers who spray the shit as a mist over acres of land. It's certainly worth using less chemical methods when possible (high strength vinegar and salt on areas you never want to grow again, laying down waxboard for extended periods to starve the plants of light and water, old fashion elbow grease and a thick weedmat afterwards) but for the worst pernicious shits glyphosphate just works. I've been fighting the bindweed the previous owner of my house planted as a decoration and glyphosphate is the only thing that kills that shit for any length of time.

>>2917917
They also mess up the soil and overrun other plants, and despite being pretty for part of the year, they are not particularly fun to walk on or play with your kids in and look like shit all winter. If you want a natural non-grass lawn, get (non subterranian) clover. It's healthier for the soil and much easier to remove and control to keep out of areas you'd like to plant crops or decorative in (and again, improves the soil to help those plants when you decide to replace it) and requires far less water than grass while staying lush and green all year long. You can mix in red clover if you want something taller and more colorful. Pollinators love them and the rootmat blocks out other unwanted plants.

>>2919555
Reach out to the mob and offer to let them bury a bunch of dead marks in your yard for free so long as they take the soil with them. Insist on a full 6 foot deep grave. Offer to pour gasoline over the bodies before filling with fresh soil.

>>2923446
>Your not going to lick the poisoned daisy are you?
No, but I am going to eat these tomatoes that got over sprayed by your crews' happy asses next door. Every year my plants have herbicide damage because some dickhead didn't want to bend over to pull out a dandelion. Fuck off with your herbicide and fuck off with your boomer lawn care.

>>2923627
The opposite of all of that is true, except the part about clovers.

>>2923625
Hell, I'm honestly convinced that any of the alleged links between roundup and cancer is a combination of karens trying to pin the cancer on something other than bad luck to get free money, and california thinking that literally everything causes cancer.

How do you eradicate morning glory. Killing the top growth is trivial, I need the rhizomes to die. From what I've been reading the only effective way is to dig them up and remove them by hand year after year until they stop coming back. Is there any other way to get rid of them?

>>2923900
Roundup. Also >>2923628

>>2923900
Roundup doesn't do shit to morning glory. Are you retarded?

>>2924403
Roundup doesn't do shit to morning glory. Are you retarded?

the answer to all your questions is always 2-4D

>>2924485
That doesn't kill the rhizome

>>2923900
They're pretty flowers though.
Anyways, electrostatic shock through the ground, then a flamethrower.

>>2924502
What voltage?

>>2924502
>>2924637
I checked it out and it needs 5000+ volts so that's not an option for me.

>>2924704
Can't afford a bug zapper or a TV from the 90's?

>>2924806
I haven't seen either of those in like 20 years. There's a reason they're described as being 'from the 90's' and dragging a half broken fly zapper or tv around the property while it's plugged in to an outlet and an extension cord sounds like a great way to start a fire.

>>2924925
>dragging
I think this guy might be a caveman.

>Fell for the vinegar and dish soap weed killer hoax
The recipe we use in my family also contains salt, and it hasn't failed us so far.