Why do power tool companies make products that don't last when they could make far better products for the same price? Why is planned obsolescence tolerated by costumers?

>>2914602 (OP)
>Why is planned obsolescence tolerated by costumers?
Fuck Timmy gon' do?

>>2914602 (OP)
Just buy the cheapest chinkshit that does the same as the meme tool brand premium overmolded cheese.

>>2914602 (OP)
There are a lot of things you can say about it, but the simplest is this; 'spiritual disease'.

The ruling faith of the ruling theocracy makes it a principle to defect on your neighbors and promote the bad over the good in general, so why should you expect anything different for any specific sphere in particular? People are simply following the norms that their tastemakers set for them, regardless of if they consciously think of such things in such terms (especially then), and compounding effects all flow downstream.

Build up of mutational load and decline of human capital over the past 200~ years is also a factor of course.

Too many many retards finding out about /diy/. This place is becoming mainstream.

>>2914612
I'm willing to bet that I've been here for longer than you.
t. Newfag

>>2914614

>>2914622
speak for yourself

>>2914632
you can't say anything to me and you clearly aren't interested in a conversation anyways so just be quiet

A good thread died for this

>>2914643
Ahh yes, a good thread that didn't get a single reply for the last 17 days. I'm so sorry for your loss.

>>2914602 (OP)
>...when they could make far better products for the same price?

Got a source for that claim?

>>2914652
It was the most updooted answer when he searched reddit so it must be true.

>>2914602 (OP)
Power tool companies don't "make" anything other than some profit by essentially drop-shipping stuff with their logo on it from china.
All the product ideas, conception, prototypes, design, tooling, manufacturing and testing is done by chinese people in china.
They're at the point where they don't even know what their product line is.
Or, even beyond that, where the name (in the case of milwaulkee) is now owned by the chinese entirely and the US entity is a sales office.

>>2914602 (OP)
Shoulda gotten tools with a Lifetime Service Agreement!

making shit tools that don't last and don't offer any warranty is super easy.
making tools that are robust and last a long time and still backing your product with parts availability long-term and good warranty and service is actually also very easy, consumer just ends up paying more for it.
making your tools last just a little over the warranty period with parts that are either unavailable and can't get service, or parts that end up costing nearly as much as a new tool anyway after replacement, and then spending a boatload of marketing money to promote your tool as a premium product that all the "professionals" use, that is where the real challenge lies. it takes a massive amount of R&D and marketing prowess to make planned obsolescence actually work.

>>2914676
retard

>>2914677
So you're saying that they take the path that costs them the most, while angering customers the most, and somehow they make more money doing it that way? What business model is that, exactly?

>>2914677
You don’t know what you want.

There are tool brands that sell drills and batteries made to be repaired for 20+ years. They cost twice as much as the stuff at Home Depot and the performance specs are mostly outdated. Turns out most guys probably want to spend less money on a 10 year tool that performs better and then replace it with the new model when it breaks.

I’m sure you would also like to drive some 80s barge that never rusts, gets 6.8mpg, takes twice as long to get to 60mph and brake as a modern Suburban. Oh and it’s sketchy to drive above 70mph unlike a new Kia that’s smooth at 120, and there’s a 50% chance of dying in a crash above 30mph, and 90% chance of death in a crash at highway speeds.

Those things don’t exist because most people want a car that lasts for 10 years no problem and they can upgrade in 36-72 months.

>>2914676
>>2914614
Embarrassing

>>2914693
>I’m sure you would also like to drive some 80s barge that never rusts, gets 6.8mpg, takes twice as long to get to 60mph and brake as a modern Suburban. Oh and it’s sketchy to drive above 70mph
Get out of my head!

>>2914820
>retard

>>2914602 (OP)
She should have made it funny, by hiding the stick between her legs and having a relieved expression as the water flows.

>>2914602 (OP)
hey fellas
just came here to say that i'd pump her with my stick, if you know what i'm sayin
......alright have a good one

>>2914693
>never rusts
That's literally a game changer right there
>t. Michigan

>>2914613
>which toaster are you going to buy?
you can't buy the nice toaster anymore
you can't buy nice shit anymore no matter if you're willing to pay for it
there are no nice things being made anymore, everything sucks

>>2915057
>past good present bad
Just another day of moaning like a bitch on 4chan.

>>2914872
>hey fellas
>just came here to say that i'd pump her with my stick, if you know what i'm sayin
>......alright have a good one

I don't understand...

>>2915117
>Just another day of moaning like a bitch on 4chan.
Yep, but what else can you do? We live in the era of consumerism where corporations spend thousands and thousands on making things last less. Up to 20 years ago simulations weren't widespread so things were actually built strong just in case, so they would last. Nowadays everything is designed to break after the warranty period ends and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>2914613
>it has no electronics
Then how does it toast the bread? Do you have to light a sandwich sized fire or does it use plutonium or something?

>>2915148
electricity =/= electronics

>>2915117
where's the lie thoe

>>2914621
Kek

>>2914663
Kill yourself.

>>2914607
>Fuck Timmy gon' do?
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

>>2914602 (OP)
ive beat the shit out of my dewalts for years and none of them have broken yet. Maybe stop buying TTI garbage?

>>2915196
Yeah, so how does it function without electronic components like a heating element and switch?

>>2915451
> electronic components
Check out me new PC. Gonna upgrade it with an Nvidia 5090 Ti Plus Founder’s edition GPU.

>>2915451
Neither of those are electronic

>>2914613
>perfect toaster that's $150 and will last 100 years? or $9 piece of shit toaster that gets the job done but dies in 2 or 3?
I guess it depends on whether or not you can count on the infrastructure that produces the cheap ones to always be there.

I think what people want more than anything these days is hope for the future, and part of that is being able to buy things that will continue to meet your needs well into the future.

>>2914620
i get your arguement and it's probably true in certain circumstances

but i've used these old sawzalls and old corded (makita?) drills and whatnot
my m18s feel way more powerful and get the jobs done faster, not even considering the cordless/corded conundrum
like that drill in your pic surely still works
i would bet my m18 hammer drill will do any job faster and be less cumbersome and not have me deal with a chuck

at the end of the day all that matters is you feel good doing your work and get it done, so it's preference. but i 100% find these old corded tools inferior compared to what I've gotten used to with my m18s

i've even shown up on a job with a guy using some new battery tools that aren't my brand, he was struggling, I gave it a go and after 5 secs just got off the ladder and went and grabbed my own drill and it was no problem
i'm sure it's a user-tool understanding thing

>>2915478
>>2915485
Zoomers were a mistake. Are you implying that is only an electronic device if it runs code?

>>2915982
>Electrons flow so it's electronic
Words have meaning. We can split stupid hairs about the switch, but a heating element is not at all electronic.

>>2915999
>Words have meaning. We can split stupid hairs about the switch, but a heating element is not at all electronic.
Does it work without electricity? If not, then it is an electronic device at least partially.

>>2916018
>then it is an electronic device
electric*

>>2914602 (OP)
Capitalism, kaizen philosophy. The money gies into research and development of better, yet shitty products. The alternative is the unbreakable soviet shit, but the system couldnt keep up with innovation.

>>2915982
"Electronics" refers to shit with semiconductor specifically.
If it only has passive components - it's just electrical, not electronic.

>>2914614
thank you for ensuring that I would read that informative and truthful post

ive had pic related for years and probably moved around 3,000 gallons with it so far, and I only recently learned that it needs to be lubed before each use.
i have not lubed it yet, it still works fine.

>>2916639
the pic related

>>2914602 (OP)
>Why do power tool companies make products that don't last when they could make far better products for the same price?
more expensive stuff lasts longer in my experience

>>2914602 (OP)
>finally a pump I can stick inside my pussy

>>2914602 (OP)
don't understand the hate for harbor freight on job sites, oh no my tool broke, good thing I bought 3 of them.

>>2914602 (OP)
Why don't you start your own power tool brand and make far better products for the same price?
Faggot.

>>2917314
A lot of us don’t like having to stop in the middle of a job and drive to HF because the tool broke.

>>2916116
It uses electrons. It is electronic. If you want to split hairs about logic, it has an adjustable bimetallic thermostat informing a circuit that follows if then end conditionals, albeit purely analogue. It's still logic in action.

>>2917978
>>2917984
>>2917988
>it's electronic but it's not """electronic""""

>>2917977
I have one that puts a mickey mouse head on your toast.

I also have a dolly parton cast iron skillet. The lame part about thay one is Dolly is on the bottom of the pan, so you can’t make dolly flap jacks unless you put the pan on the burner upside down.

>>2914602 (OP)
Blue collar dudes buy the new Milwaukee gen 7 or whatever every year

>>2917123
YWNBAW

>>2914611
>The ruling faith of the ruling theocracy makes it a principle to defect on your neighbors and promote the bad over the good in general, so-
Uhhh no, the average citizen is not scheming to fuck over their neighbor or those they come in regular contact with 'on principle'.

>>2914602 (OP)
Professionals can afford some rotation while amateurs often are fine with cheap chinese garbage so if you want to get them to buy your stuff you need to be price competitive.

Also, usually more reliable=heavier.

>>2914602 (OP)
>Why is planned obsolescence tolerated by costumers?
I bought a ton of flashlight from China olight brand in 2018-2019
I got mad because they turned out to be extremely short lasting
Even the $2 aliexpress ones I've been getting over decade from
Recently I went to check what they have now and noticed they changed their warranty to lifetime
So I emails them and chingchongs replaced all my lights no question asked
So I guess you never can tell
Also they have IDK a 4x markup on them and most people but them for reddit reasons and never use them
So I guess they are not really losing money on this.

>>2920984
You can never have enough matching flashlights.

>>2917986
Are semiconductors the cutoff here then?

>>2914602 (OP)
Every quarter needs to be better than the last

The blue collar dudes are fucking stupid and day drunk everyday anyway

>>2914602 (OP)
>Why do power tool companies make products that don't last when they could make far better products for the same price?
So they can sell you the same tool again.

>>2920984
>didn't buy the goat flashlight